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Car people get caught up in "factory fill." I used to work at a Tier 1 transmission and transfercase manufacturer. "Factory Fill" was fluid from whoever had the cheapest tanker load price that day for the spec.
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BMW motor oil is made by Shell. That SDS was for MTF LT-5 specification manual transmission oil.
BMW was Mobil, then they went castrol. They used to say we only recommend Mobil, then it was we only recommend Castrol. Just whom ever they have the contract with.
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@@gasauto1675 It was Castrol for quite some time, but for a few years now it's been Shell.
I think it's been a long-time open secret that the OEMs just say. Here are our specs, give us a product we can put our name on... no need to reinvent the wheel.
You'd be surprised how many blenders get the manufacturing wrong. Heat blending is often skipped because the blenders try to skimp on the cost of power, and I've seen blends that either separate, or have incorrect additive packages, or insufficient VI improvers. The design seem to mostly be done by the OEMs - most of the majors have tribology teams, although these have been cut down in size substantially over the last few years.
SOPUS is a large company. They own both Pennzoil and Quaker State in the United States, probably own other names in other parts of the world I would imagine.
Yeah I think the Shell situation in the US is a little different - they recently purchased Allied Reliability, but I think that only applies to the US. I need to do a little bit more research on the Panolin transaction too, because I thought that was a worldwide acquisition.
funny how when I was a mercedes dealership mechanic all cars got the same oil in spite of all of the different oil classification for their different cars. 229.5 229.51 etc. it is a smoke screen
MBUSA is cracking down on that. We got multiple warranty services kicked back because were were using 229.5 in the newer 229.71 0W-20 cars. Of course, trying to get the MB 0W-20 is like pulling teeth, our last order took two months to arrive.
That makes sense. There are alot of countries (not necessarily Thailand) where they make a choice to blend locally based on reduced tariffs. India comes to mind...
My son works at a Toyota dealership and they have the bottled Toyota oil in parts and the bulk oil in the oil dispensers. They source the bulk oil from Kelley Williamson oil locally. Does Toyota give the dealers the recipe or is the bulk oil just a local blender product that may or may not meet the specifications of Toyota?
Fun fact, hyundai own their own refining and blending operation known as Hyundai Xteer, though in Australia the local Hyundai distributor of say the off highway equipment and lifting equipment all run their own so called oem fluid that's not official Hyundai
Recent 0W30 premium oils (castrol, Total Energies, shell) are better than their 5w30 counterparts, have the same or greater viscosity (12.1 to 12.3 cst) at 100C and higher VI (185 up to 205) while keeping HTHS >= 3.5. how can you explain that? For BWW, Fuchs is the OE supplier for CHF hydraulic steering fluid. Castrol for engine oils starting 2024.
Oil and brake fluid etc. is no different to any of the other specialist parts fitted to cars, there are global specialist suppliers for nearly eveything , car manufacturers do a much smaller % of their own manufacturing than they used to. They are usually pressing the majority of the body panels and assembling the body even then using plenty of bought in parts like hinges etc. They are usually also machining the major engine parts and assembling most of their own engines , but again with many many bought in parts, things like transmissions differentials etc, can be manufactured or bought in. After that pretty much everything else that is assembled into the car is bought in and the more specialist the part , e.g. a stability control system, the higher the % of the design and development work is done by the supplier rather than the car manufacturer. Car companies will have a small specialist team for say engine oil to work with suppliers like Fuchs or Shell or who ever to dial in the oil they buy for their engines but also to make sure the engine design fits with the art of the possible and affordable when it comes to the oil required, but they won't actually be developing the engine oil thmeselves.
@@KarolosAthens is Petronas actually the contract manufacturer / factory fill? I remember when I was at Mobil that they (Mobil) still had most of the factory fill volume, but Petronas might have finally won over Mercedes Group via the F1 sponsorship.
It is rather confusing because the factory fill or aftermarket supply may not match or the SDS could be old. For example, that BMW MTF-LT-5, when you buy it in bottles from a dealer in NA, is from Febi Bilstein based on the bottles I have seen now. The Fuchs (Pentosin) bottles were phased out several years ago.
Back in 2007, someone ordered a container of Mercedes genuine PSF. I found it hilarious how the container looked exactly like Exxon Superflo. Hitachi by Total? It might be because Nissan has many connections between both Renault and Hitachi. It is very common to see Hitachi electrical parts in Nissans. Is Total connected to Motul? Premium Nissans often get Motul.
hitachi is a massive company that makes things from your wifes vibrator all the way to excavator construction equipment. hitachi isnt just a one product company and never was. oh and hitachi is japanese so it makes sense it goes in nissans which are japanese
If you're looking to level up your career in lubricants, or better understand the link between machine reliability and lubrication, head to lubrication.expert, where I teach over 60 courses covering all aspects of industrial and vehicle lubrication. The courses include ICML's MLA I, MLA II, MLT I, VIM and VPR certifications.
Car people get caught up in "factory fill." I used to work at a Tier 1 transmission and transfercase manufacturer. "Factory Fill" was fluid from whoever had the cheapest tanker load price that day for the spec.
BMW motor oil is made by Shell. That SDS was for MTF LT-5 specification manual transmission oil.
should be Castrol, but who makes it for Castrol?😅
BMW was Mobil, then they went castrol. They used to say we only recommend Mobil, then it was we only recommend Castrol. Just whom ever they have the contract with.
@@gasauto1675 It was Castrol for quite some time, but for a few years now it's been Shell.
I laugh at people who buy OEM motor oil.
I work with an oil blender and we make alot of private trade label products for OEM dealers.
I can imagine it's a pretty good money-maker. When there's no middle-man I can imagine the manufacturing margins are relatively good.
Toyota in the USA uses Exxon Mobil
I think it's been a long-time open secret that the OEMs just say. Here are our specs, give us a product we can put our name on... no need to reinvent the wheel.
Manufacturing of these engine oils is a simple routine step. The real question is who designs these oils with what goals in mind???
You'd be surprised how many blenders get the manufacturing wrong. Heat blending is often skipped because the blenders try to skimp on the cost of power, and I've seen blends that either separate, or have incorrect additive packages, or insufficient VI improvers. The design seem to mostly be done by the OEMs - most of the majors have tribology teams, although these have been cut down in size substantially over the last few years.
SOPUS is a large company. They own both Pennzoil and Quaker State in the United States, probably own other names in other parts of the world I would imagine.
Yeah I think the Shell situation in the US is a little different - they recently purchased Allied Reliability, but I think that only applies to the US. I need to do a little bit more research on the Panolin transaction too, because I thought that was a worldwide acquisition.
@@LubricationExplained Panolin was mostly bought for the EAL program.
Os lubrificantes da marca Yamalube até 2021 eram produzidos pela americana TEXACO e atualmente são produzidos pela petrolífera japonesa ENEOS.
funny how when I was a mercedes dealership mechanic all cars got the same oil in spite of all of the different oil classification for their different cars. 229.5 229.51 etc. it is a smoke screen
MBUSA is cracking down on that. We got multiple warranty services kicked back because were were using 229.5 in the newer 229.71 0W-20 cars. Of course, trying to get the MB 0W-20 is like pulling teeth, our last order took two months to arrive.
@@glhs386 when I was a tech at the dealer. we had 1 oil line between the bays. all cars got the same oil
In Thailand all the ACDelco lubricants are made by Chevron(Thai) shown in the label.
That makes sense. There are alot of countries (not necessarily Thailand) where they make a choice to blend locally based on reduced tariffs. India comes to mind...
My son works at a Toyota dealership and they have the bottled Toyota oil in parts and the bulk oil in the oil dispensers. They source the bulk oil from Kelley Williamson oil locally. Does Toyota give the dealers the recipe or is the bulk oil just a local blender product that may or may not meet the specifications of Toyota?
My local Toyota dealership uses Castrol in 205l drums as their bulk oil
Typically Toyota just asks for API SP oils from anyone. Most oils in the oem viscosity do that.
Toyota is rather flexible with this. As long as the oil complies with the standards of API in most cases,it can be used.
Lowest bidder.
Fun fact, hyundai own their own refining and blending operation known as Hyundai Xteer, though in Australia the local Hyundai distributor of say the off highway equipment and lifting equipment all run their own so called oem fluid that's not official Hyundai
16 May 2024
Recent 0W30 premium oils (castrol, Total Energies, shell) are better than their 5w30 counterparts, have the same or greater viscosity (12.1 to 12.3 cst) at 100C and higher VI (185 up to 205) while keeping HTHS >= 3.5. how can you explain that?
For BWW, Fuchs is the OE supplier for CHF hydraulic steering fluid. Castrol for engine oils starting 2024.
Toyota Genuine motor oil mostly manufactured by Idemitsu Lubricants Global
Who makes yanmar genuine oil 15w40 in europe belgium i cant find
Oil and brake fluid etc. is no different to any of the other specialist parts fitted to cars, there are global specialist suppliers for nearly eveything , car manufacturers do a much smaller % of their own manufacturing than they used to. They are usually pressing the majority of the body panels and assembling the body even then using plenty of bought in parts like hinges etc. They are usually also machining the major engine parts and assembling most of their own engines , but again with many many bought in parts, things like transmissions differentials etc, can be manufactured or bought in. After that pretty much everything else that is assembled into the car is bought in and the more specialist the part , e.g. a stability control system, the higher the % of the design and development work is done by the supplier rather than the car manufacturer. Car companies will have a small specialist team for say engine oil to work with suppliers like Fuchs or Shell or who ever to dial in the oil they buy for their engines but also to make sure the engine design fits with the art of the possible and affordable when it comes to the oil required, but they won't actually be developing the engine oil thmeselves.
Would be nice to see you do more on Penrite, Nulon and Gulf Western. Penrite and Nulon both advertise Zinc not the phosphorus.
Not sure if thats changed, but not more than 6 years ago, OEM John Deere oil didn't even have an API rating on the container.
We no longer call ourselves Daimler. The company was split, too. ;-)
its still Daimler Truck AG, Mercedes-Benz Group is the largest individual shareholder of Daimler Truck Holding AG
From Aral /to Mobil 1 /to Petronas ......!!!!!!!
@@KarolosAthens is Petronas actually the contract manufacturer / factory fill? I remember when I was at Mobil that they (Mobil) still had most of the factory fill volume, but Petronas might have finally won over Mercedes Group via the F1 sponsorship.
Chrysler uses Pennzoil from the factory
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Great video and well explained
Thanks mate! Hope you're well.
It is rather confusing because the factory fill or aftermarket supply may not match or the SDS could be old. For example, that BMW MTF-LT-5, when you buy it in bottles from a dealer in NA, is from Febi Bilstein based on the bottles I have seen now. The Fuchs (Pentosin) bottles were phased out several years ago.
Yeah it's very much a contract manufacturing situation, so the blender changes reasonably frequently.
Back in 2007, someone ordered a container of Mercedes genuine PSF. I found it hilarious how the container looked exactly like Exxon Superflo.
Hitachi by Total? It might be because Nissan has many connections between both Renault and Hitachi. It is very common to see Hitachi electrical parts in Nissans. Is Total connected to Motul? Premium Nissans often get Motul.
hitachi is a massive company that makes things from your wifes vibrator all the way to excavator construction equipment. hitachi isnt just a one product company and never was. oh and hitachi is japanese so it makes sense it goes in nissans which are japanese