96. What to think about during your swing. The 20 little things I've been working on, nothing at all since I've practiced them already, or something in the middle?
Meandmygolf I shot 79 last week and I owe it to your videos, especially taking practice swings on the range with my feet together and then my left foot back.. Great way to remind me to rotate my core!
Fella’s, with all your tips and watching older videos too, today I managed to break 80 for the first time in years. Ball striking has improved, accuracy has improved and I’m getting better at shallowing the driver now too! THANK YOU.
This video was my “lightbulb” moment in terms of why I always sliced the driver (because of my wrist cupping in the backswing)!! Thank you so much. You have earned a new subscriber!
Hey Peirs and Andy, I just wanted to say Congratulations on landing a spot on The Golf Channel in the States. That's a great accomplishment to be recognized internationally for your craft. Well done!
Just tried the closing leading wrist tip at the range. Odd at first but wow getting 250yds plus and straight now. Work still to be done but what a difference. Going to try it on the course next week. Massive thank you lads.
No lie, this fixed my slice completely. Not just with my driver, but my irons as well. I'm getting through the ball so much more now that I'm actually hooking it at times. Just need more practice to get things dialed. Thanks a ton guys! 👍
Wow! This is key to making it finally work for me! I focus on keeping the lead wrist straight then the slight bow on the downswing and I’ve suddenly been having slight drawls happening!
Hey guys, enjoy your lessons. Lots of good lessons for majority. With this lesson , my question is I find most every great player the hand path moves straight down for the initial few inches on ds not out at all. Also, most people will if they try to hit the wall on ds behind them will pull handle to rather line to do so, can you help me understand my perception vs what your telling is here?? One more is a theory I have messed with and see what you think. By pushing handle left hand on top of grip like getting them to hinge, right hand opposite. This forces the shaft to shallow at top try it sees what you think. Dale
Excellent video guys. A classic three keys to flattening the downswing- bowing of lead wrist, separation of lower body from torso (separation) and lead elbow under the shaft all during the tranisitioon. Great stuff.Keep it up.. Appreciate the free videos!
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Great video, was talking to my coach the other day about this and how to increase my launch by shallowing. Off to range tonight to try this out! Thanks guys!
Had a lesson yesterday - was coming over the top and creating a lot of right side spin (1200). Basically coached to do this and started coming back on the plane and from inside....work in progress but hopefully will start to reap benefits..
Awesome as always boys, this is what I needed to turn my fade into a straight or even draw (on toey hits) on my drives. Been frustrated with what I thought was my good swing.
Hi Guys great video. Just a little feedback on the podcast not sure if anyone else experiences this but i find the sound quite quiet, the pre recorded intro is fine but then the actual interview is always a bit quieter and struggle to hear when in my car even with full volume.
Hi Andy and Piers, I love all your helpful videos. If you can provide a drill or tip on how to brace on your left side on the downswing to avoid the sway. Many thanks from Sydney (lockdown 😔)
My first time back on the driving range actually gave me a big break-through. I've been trying to shallow my arc for years now, because it tends to be a bit steep (in both back and downswing). So last practice I tweaked just one little thing. At address, I turned the clubhead clockwise to around two o'clock (opening the face), and kept that feeling in the backswing. For me this greatly flattens my path both in back- and downswing. Removing my slice and greatly improving my contact and consistency. Curious if you guys understand what I mean, and could maybe even give it a whirl. :-)
@@shanedeel2 well since this post I've learned that it all boiled down to my left arm turn. So it's opening the face, but turning my left arm 45degrees clockwise in the backswing. There's a lot of tutorials on this subject that can explain this way better than I can. ☺️
OK... I took this to the course today and it works. I just about put my right elbow on my side in the downswing and the path of the ball straightened out. The time or two it didnt work was when I did the over the top thing. Can't wait til I use it against the Tuesday after work crew
For the bowing of the wrist, can you start doing it in the takeaway? And not just when you start the downswing..? I’m thinking DJ might do something like this..
Thanks lads. I did these drills in lockdown, videoing my swing each day and sending them to my coach. First game back and I was hitting hook shots all day long. Question: I can make a really good practice swing shallowing the club. Why can't I do the same with a ball in front of? Would love some mental game tips lads. Thank you - great video and I will use these drills. Just sent this video to my coach.
Great video guys! From lessons, my local coach is trying to get me to shallow the club more, but I really struggle to bow my wrist. The right-elbow technique isn’t something I’d seen anywhere else, but making a big difference already 👌🏼 thanks again
Great tips. Thanks, I know that I have been coing in too steep with the driver. I especially like the information on the right elbow to help shallow the club.
Just seeing this video. Great content as usual.i tend not to shallow out the club on the down swing. I had an instructor tell me that not all great ball strikers shallow out the club and encouraged me not to do it. I use to bow at the top of the backswing. Should I be shallowing the club on the downswing? I tend to miss right
I like the elbow tuck method the best. If you bow your left wrist then it'll also affect the right wrist...which is already at it's max flex. So how's this going to work?
Rather few coaches teach Moe Norman swing, which is one-planer without significant shallowing presented in the down swing. It is simple back and forth motion, which I think would be most repeatable for high handicappers or beginners. Not as efficient though as a throwing motion, but accurate even sith the longer shafted clubs. Have you studied the swing of Bryson DeChambeau? I think he is one of the few, if not the only current tour pro doing it.
84 is my best round of the year so far but recently had a horrible blowup 9 holes. I'm curious about whether this swing is only good for woods or can it be used for an iron shot out of the fairway/rough? I realize it's hard to talk about everything when you're focused on the mechanics of this requested swing but I didn't hear anything about using this swing in other full swing scenarios.
Hi Jonathan. It is for everything really if you are prone to get too steep a shaft angle inn the swing. We don't want the club way inside, we just want to avoid getting too steep.
Hi guys. ....I have an issue of elbow extension from surgery in my right elbow. It does not drop or allow me to push it down vertically exactly and sort of never get my forearm vertical to shallow as much. How can I compensate in my setup, downswing, or wrist to offset this physical barrier to shallowing?? Any hints??
Love the video lads, I’ve watched a lot of videos on shallowing the club now but they don’t talk much about the release of the club and the wrists on the follow through. Do the wrists flip?
Do you think that the "shallowing the club" thought may screw up the iron shots of mid to high handicappers? Looking at the video, I can't visualise the shallowing of an iron.
@@UpToScratchGolf agreed. I was going to ask the same thing. Seems we need three swings. Driver, Irons and wedges.... is this correct? Somewhat correct?
Hey guys, take another look at Maria and Matt's swings. They're not shallowing the club purposely, it's happening because their right elbow is lowering down to their beltline. Most good players swing on the plane of the right elbow and forearm.
So I've played two games since my course re-opened. My first game I shot 64 (everything that could have went wrong, went wrong) but my second game I went round in 44 - one of the holes that normally gives me grief I almost got an eagle. My main issues so far are: My woods/driver are struggling for directionally - I could be aiming for the one of the two bunkers on the left but I'll end up by the bunker on the right hand side My putting has been really inconsistent My pitching is a lot better (cheers) but should the speed that you bring back the club with be the speed that you follow through with?
Great work as always chaps. Love watching your videos. I know that sometimes this is more of a "thought" or a subliminal suggestion, but, when Andy actually swings for the ball. He doesn't appear to shallow the club at all on the downswing. Is his "shallow" more of "not getting steep"? Have a great day! Happy Fathers day!
I've been working on coming more from the inside and find when I hit it well I now hit a draw with my driver. But my bad shot is now a big hook off the tee. Any help? Great video ☺
I’ve noted on my swing videos that I can shallow the club easily with no golf ball present but when there is, my trail hand (right) pushes the left hand, leading to a more vertical position. I’ve been trying to correct this with little success until yesterday when I adopted a very strong left hand grip with neutral right hand. The left hand can then resist the right without me thinking about it. Works on the range, now I will take it to the course. Any thoughts?
I’m a 5 handicap and I can shape all my clubs except my driver. It’s getting very frustrating, I’m hoping these “feels” will help shape the ball better.
Separating my hips movement from my upper body feels impossible. Is that due to poor hip flexibility? I don't have a clue where to begin to work on that. Talking about 6:15
Don’t separate too much, or you will have no choice but to come over the top. Do more of a squat while the hands start dropping naturally then towards the end you can start really hiring hips through
Aren't there two ways to shallow the club or get it on plane? Your grip and cupped or not cupped (flat left wrist) can do the same thing. DJ flips does this reverse flex torsion twist thing. Most of us normal people don't. Can't you swing on one plane with a flat wrist and get the same result?
I’ve had an awful hook for months so have been doing my utmost to swing more out to in. When I shallow the club I have the tendency to get stuck behind and hook 🤷♂️
Try to keep shallowing! I have the same struggle with hooks. Watch "Louis Oosthuizen's Swing Tips | Golfing World" at 3:23. He talks about a drill to keep your arms in front of your body that helped me a lot.
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96. What to think about during your swing. The 20 little things I've been working on, nothing at all since I've practiced them already, or something in the middle?
My best round was yesterday, shot 76. Very happy but as is tradition, I could always be better.
Meandmygolf I shot 79 last week and I owe it to your videos, especially taking practice swings on the range with my feet together and then my left foot back.. Great way to remind me to rotate my core!
76. Missing too many greens. Never hitting 12 or more per round
100 still not broke my 100 yet on a par 72, need to hit the ball straighter
Fella’s, with all your tips and watching older videos too, today I managed to break 80 for the first time in years. Ball striking has improved, accuracy has improved and I’m getting better at shallowing the driver now too! THANK YOU.
This video has improved my game so much. Can't thank you enough
That wrist tip really did the trick for me. Simply amazing how quickly that input clicked for me on the range and then on the course. Thank you 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Great tips
Glad you liked the video Lenard! 👌
This video was my “lightbulb” moment in terms of why I always sliced the driver (because of my wrist cupping in the backswing)!! Thank you so much. You have earned a new subscriber!
My best score on 9 holes is a 39 after lockdown first score was 41, second score I replicated the 39. Couldn't have done this without your help.
Maria's swing looked incredible. Never seen that degree of shallowing on a swing, looks so fluid.
The right elbow move is the key for me. No more slices 👍👏⛳️
Hey Peirs and Andy, I just wanted to say Congratulations on landing a spot on The Golf Channel in the States. That's a great accomplishment to be recognized internationally for your craft. Well done!
Bowing wrists leads to the ‘backhand’ at contact I’m working on. Thank you!
Hope it helps Beth!
Amazing video this is exactly when I’m working on with my coach!
Body mechanics and swing thoughts...... I'm trying this and when I do it correctly, it works.
Hope you enjoyed the video
Great tip on moving the right elbow “in” before tucking your elbow down and rotating
Just tried the closing leading wrist tip at the range. Odd at first but wow getting 250yds plus and straight now. Work still to be done but what a difference. Going to try it on the course next week. Massive thank you lads.
No lie, this fixed my slice completely. Not just with my driver, but my irons as well. I'm getting through the ball so much more now that I'm actually hooking it at times. Just need more practice to get things dialed.
Thanks a ton guys! 👍
Wow! This is key to making it finally work for me! I focus on keeping the lead wrist straight then the slight bow on the downswing and I’ve suddenly been having slight drawls happening!
Hey guys, enjoy your lessons. Lots of good lessons for majority. With this lesson , my question is I find most every great player the hand path moves straight down for the initial few inches on ds not out at all. Also, most people will if they try to hit the wall on ds behind them will pull handle to rather line to do so, can you help me understand my perception vs what your telling is here??
One more is a theory I have messed with and see what you think. By pushing handle left hand on top of grip like getting them to hinge, right hand opposite. This forces the shaft to shallow at top try it sees what you think.
Dale
I shot 89, I need to learn how to strike my irons with the shaft leaned forward, great video guys!
Glad you enjoyed it!👍🏻
this is the most comprehensive video for shallowing
in youtube
Thank you!! 🙌
Showing trust by standing on the right side 😊
This is an excellent lesson. Thank You
Here we go! This is what I'm after :)
Hope it helps Sam!
Love you guys, such great coaches.
Thanks so much Aaron!
Excellent video guys. A classic three keys to flattening the downswing- bowing of lead wrist, separation of lower body from torso (separation) and lead elbow under the shaft all during the tranisitioon. Great stuff.Keep it up.. Appreciate the free videos!
Thanks Harold. Hope this is useful to you.👍🏻
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Very helpful! Thank you!
Great. Hope it helps.
Great video, was talking to my coach the other day about this and how to increase my launch by shallowing. Off to range tonight to try this out! Thanks guys!
Thanks for this. Not many videos out there explaining the elbow movement.
Love to hear this Chad!! Glad we could help 💪
Excelente vídeo, gracias!!!
Thanks Carlos. Hope it helps👍🏻
Clear and useful as usual, you are very good teachers!
Had a lesson yesterday - was coming over the top and creating a lot of right side spin (1200). Basically coached to do this and started coming back on the plane and from inside....work in progress but hopefully will start to reap benefits..
Keep at it Andy. I'm sure you will see the results soon.
Awesome as always boys, this is what I needed to turn my fade into a straight or even draw (on toey hits) on my drives. Been frustrated with what I thought was my good swing.
Great lesson.
Does this apply to irons?
Hi Guys great video. Just a little feedback on the podcast not sure if anyone else experiences this but i find the sound quite quiet, the pre recorded intro is fine but then the actual interview is always a bit quieter and struggle to hear when in my car even with full volume.
Where do you start your twisting of the handle to square the face? At hip level with hands or elsewhere?
Excellent video. Thank you.
Thanks!!
Hi Andy and Piers, I love all your helpful videos. If you can provide a drill or tip on how to brace on your left side on the downswing to avoid the sway. Many thanks from Sydney (lockdown 😔)
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This is exactly what I need to practice. I reckon it will also unleash a lot more distance
My first time back on the driving range actually gave me a big break-through. I've been trying to shallow my arc for years now, because it tends to be a bit steep (in both back and downswing). So last practice I tweaked just one little thing. At address, I turned the clubhead clockwise to around two o'clock (opening the face), and kept that feeling in the backswing. For me this greatly flattens my path both in back- and downswing. Removing my slice and greatly improving my contact and consistency. Curious if you guys understand what I mean, and could maybe even give it a whirl. :-)
So you opened the face? I’ve been doing the opposite. I’m trying to get rid of my starts way left then loops back to the right
@@shanedeel2 well since this post I've learned that it all boiled down to my left arm turn. So it's opening the face, but turning my left arm 45degrees clockwise in the backswing. There's a lot of tutorials on this subject that can explain this way better than I can. ☺️
@@rwldebruijn1979 golf is ridiculous hard lol.
Cheers lads, great video!
l can use and like the lower body separation!
OK... I took this to the course today and it works. I just about put my right elbow on my side in the downswing and the path of the ball straightened out. The time or two it didnt work was when I did the over the top thing. Can't wait til I use it against the Tuesday after work crew
Great to hear. It takes a little practice but it really can make a huge difference.
Waht do you guys think of the Wax on, Wax off hand motion in relation to the swing?
Why not just get on that swing plane on the backswing as well. Then you are set to go for your downswing? Just a thought.
Have you guys been watching me play? haha your last two videos have addressed something that's plagued me for a few years, thanks for the tips !
So do you do this with irons and a rescue club as well or just driver?
Great vid chaps
For the bowing of the wrist, can you start doing it in the takeaway? And not just when you start the downswing..? I’m thinking DJ might do something like this..
Thanks lads. I did these drills in lockdown, videoing my swing each day and sending them to my coach. First game back and I was hitting hook shots all day long. Question: I can make a really good practice swing shallowing the club. Why can't I do the same with a ball in front of? Would love some mental game tips lads. Thank you - great video and I will use these drills. Just sent this video to my coach.
Great video guys! From lessons, my local coach is trying to get me to shallow the club more, but I really struggle to bow my wrist. The right-elbow technique isn’t something I’d seen anywhere else, but making a big difference already 👌🏼 thanks again
Great tips. Thanks, I know that I have been coing in too steep with the driver. I especially like the information on the right elbow to help shallow the club.
Hope this helps Ron.
Just seeing this video. Great content as usual.i tend not to shallow out the club on the down swing. I had an instructor tell me that not all great ball strikers shallow out the club and encouraged me not to do it. I use to bow at the top of the backswing. Should I be shallowing the club on the downswing? I tend to miss right
I like the elbow tuck method the best. If you bow your left wrist then it'll also affect the right wrist...which is already at it's max flex. So how's this going to work?
Rather few coaches teach Moe Norman swing, which is one-planer without significant shallowing presented in the down swing. It is simple back and forth motion, which I think would be most repeatable for high handicappers or beginners. Not as efficient though as a throwing motion, but accurate even sith the longer shafted clubs.
Have you studied the swing of Bryson DeChambeau? I think he is one of the few, if not the only current tour pro doing it.
1:48 Subtitles "... shallow the damn swing" Me, every time!
84 is my best round of the year so far but recently had a horrible blowup 9 holes. I'm curious about whether this swing is only good for woods or can it be used for an iron shot out of the fairway/rough? I realize it's hard to talk about everything when you're focused on the mechanics of this requested swing but I didn't hear anything about using this swing in other full swing scenarios.
Hi Jonathan. It is for everything really if you are prone to get too steep a shaft angle inn the swing. We don't want the club way inside, we just want to avoid getting too steep.
Great video I love you
Hi guys. ....I have an issue of elbow extension from surgery in my right elbow. It does not drop or allow me to push it down vertically exactly and sort of never get my forearm vertical to shallow as much. How can I compensate in my setup, downswing, or wrist to offset this physical barrier to shallowing?? Any hints??
I know this is a fairly old video, but I wanted to ask, is this shallowing movement something you should do on iron shots as well?
Love the video lads, I’ve watched a lot of videos on shallowing the club now but they don’t talk much about the release of the club and the wrists on the follow through. Do the wrists flip?
Haha, Piers always comin’ in hot with the jabs “she certainly hit it past you a few times when we played”
She actually did. Bombed it!!
@@meandmygolf. Oh I'm sure, she crushes it
Drop the shaft!
Do you think that the "shallowing the club" thought may screw up the iron shots of mid to high handicappers?
Looking at the video, I can't visualise the shallowing of an iron.
Not if you are too steep in the down swing Subir.
very good question!
@@UpToScratchGolf agreed. I was going to ask the same thing. Seems we need three swings. Driver, Irons and wedges.... is this correct? Somewhat correct?
Hey guys, take another look at Maria and Matt's swings. They're not shallowing the club purposely, it's happening because their right elbow is lowering down to their beltline. Most good players swing on the plane of the right elbow and forearm.
Is this something that should also be applied to hitting irons?
So I've played two games since my course re-opened. My first game I shot 64 (everything that could have went wrong, went wrong) but my second game I went round in 44 - one of the holes that normally gives me grief I almost got an eagle.
My main issues so far are:
My woods/driver are struggling for directionally - I could be aiming for the one of the two bunkers on the left but I'll end up by the bunker on the right hand side
My putting has been really inconsistent
My pitching is a lot better (cheers) but should the speed that you bring back the club with be the speed that you follow through with?
Hi Gary. The speed will always be faster in the through swing as you are going with gravity but feeling an even pace is a good idea.
Great work as always chaps. Love watching your videos. I know that sometimes this is more of a "thought" or a subliminal suggestion, but, when Andy actually swings for the ball. He doesn't appear to shallow the club at all on the downswing. Is his "shallow" more of "not getting steep"? Have a great day! Happy Fathers day!
Hi John. Exactly that yes. I could get a little shallower in the down swing but this is definitely for someone who gets steep.
Why wouldn't you bow your wrist as part of your initial upswing as Colin and Dustin do? Would there be an issue with bowing your wrist in the upswing?
I've been trying this with some success. When it goes wrong, I hit the ground about 4 inches before the ball. Any tips for this?
I've been working on coming more from the inside and find when I hit it well I now hit a draw with my driver. But my bad shot is now a big hook off the tee. Any help? Great video ☺
Hi Andy. Controlling there face is key so you still need to rotate well through the ball with the body to limit face rotation
@@meandmygolf. is this a move that can or will work for a guy in his mid 50's?
I’ve noted on my swing videos that I can shallow the club easily with no golf ball present but when there is, my trail hand (right) pushes the left hand, leading to a more vertical position. I’ve been trying to correct this with little success until yesterday when I adopted a very strong left hand grip with neutral right hand. The left hand can then resist the right without me thinking about it. Works on the range, now I will take it to the course. Any thoughts?
Great video
Does this apply with iron shots as well or just the driver?
Yes Irons too Calum.
I've been practicing this and find myself hitting thin shots a lot more (previously hitting them fat). Any recommendations for finding a happy medium?
Does this apply to irons as well?
Shallowing the club changed my life. I can draw and fade the ball at will 90%. It stopped me coming over the top.
Why can’t you have a shallow back swing encouraging a shallow strike?
You can. Just ask Matt Kuchar
Gents, does this story only apply to the driver or also to all irons?
I’m a 5 handicap and I can shape all my clubs except my driver. It’s getting very frustrating, I’m hoping these “feels” will help shape the ball better.
Hi Jeremy. Let us know how you get on.
So, is just for drivers we shallow, as I am prone to slicing a lot teeing off,or stay on plane steep for irons,as I swing better with those?
Hi Niron. We want to stay on plane Wirth all clubs. This is really for someone who gets a little steep in the down swing.
Superb video. Does this apply to irons and fairway woods as well?
Thanks Christian. Yes this applies to all clubs if you are someone who is a little steep.
Is it better to focus on a flat lead wrist or bent right wrist as a swing thought ?
Hi Paul. Great question. We will always say whatever produces the best results. If the right wrist feel works then keep it.
Separating my hips movement from my upper body feels impossible. Is that due to poor hip flexibility? I don't have a clue where to begin to work on that. Talking about 6:15
Don’t separate too much, or you will have no choice but to come over the top. Do more of a squat while the hands start dropping naturally then towards the end you can start really hiring hips through
Can the wrists be flexed on the way back?
Yes definitely. Saber
Aren't there two ways to shallow the club or get it on plane? Your grip and cupped or not cupped (flat left wrist) can do the same thing. DJ flips does this reverse flex torsion twist thing. Most of us normal people don't. Can't you swing on one plane with a flat wrist and get the same result?
The bobsy twins!!
I’ve had an awful hook for months so have been doing my utmost to swing more out to in. When I shallow the club I have the tendency to get stuck behind and hook 🤷♂️
Try to keep shallowing! I have the same struggle with hooks. Watch "Louis Oosthuizen's Swing Tips | Golfing World" at 3:23. He talks about a drill to keep your arms in front of your body that helped me a lot.
What method do you prefer
Someone's been watching Gankas
George is great
idk guys, at .25 speed it looks like you start to clear or rotate your lead hip first, this causes the club to almost naturally shallow.
It’s harder to shallow irons as opposed to driver for me.
What’s with the black and white arm bands guys?
It's the Whoop strap. It's a health tracker. Really good product.
82 can't hit driver consistently pulls slices pushes. Need to eliminate one side of course
Hi Michael. Check out our Coaching Plan on our website "Slice To Draw". It is having some great results.
Great video! Would you say this "shallowing" of the club should be used for long iron shots as well?
Yes definitely BK.👍🏻
lol she pull hooked it
I'm the total opposite. I shallow the club in the downswing but only because I lose balance and therefore stand up a lot at impact