Everything was better long time ago. They still make the white paste in Gotland Sweden to use for repearing the old churches in Sweden. Only few people know about it.
only 6 minutes into the video and yeah they did use finer sand back then, my 1952 house that was probably built by old bricklayers back then has lime mortar joints with fine sand and really good hard fired bricks although the house has a concrete foundation theres no blockwork or cement here except the concrete got portland cement in it of course..
My sister just sent me some photos of masonry bridges in Europe that are 500+ years old and still carry traffic. Bridge designers now think 100 years is a lot to ask. I've torn down and replaced bridges less than 70 years old. You're on the right track!
So I just researched the quicklime and the little undissolved pieces that you found within the matrix of your mix are actually very beneficial, they are called lime clasts and it was said that if the joint is compromised and fractured, any water that seeps in rehydrates the lime clasts, they expand and actually repair the fracture. I also found out that Roman concrete was and still is better than what we produce today , in part because of its self healing nature with the lime clasts within their mix. Who would have known!!!?? Crazy cool shit !!
its from volcanic ash.. its why Roman domes can still stand but our steel rebar and I beam bridges crumble.. or maybe its the billions of road traffic tons that roll over em lol.. either way i think we can all admit that the constant pursuit of everything being done as cheap and fast as possible has finally started to show its effect.. sadly i really don't see that changing and were just around the corner from printed houses.. they already exist and are made for desert climate so once they work out high humidity and cold weather then we can expect robot print and fixed/repaired homes
Im willing to bet that early masons would have dry mixed the lime and sand first and added water as needed like they do today with regular cement. I can't imagine they would've wanted the explosive reaction and i'm willing to bet dry mixing first still produces a hot mix without the crazy reaction.
Ian Cramb, a first class stone mason wrote two very good books. I know of a few others, but not in English. I do have friends that are apprentices or journeymen in France and Germany that learn this first-hand, so the art will not be lost, just not common. Witness the restoration of Notre Dame. I donated for room and board for the carpenters who would do part of the restoration, and they made the request and were assembling while the fire was still burning. All is not lost, but those that practice the art of building are becoming more rare. Just compare the annual trades apprenticeship competitions between North America and Europe. There is no just comparison. We are a joke here in America!
Learning at the same time. I am repointing sections that are failing. I have read that some pre-mix the sand and lime rather that layering it before adding water. Haven't tried it yet. I'm also using pool sand because the mortar i am seeing is is the same as you have found.. Many say use soft and sharp sands. Test test test. I live in a dry climate so I do not have to deal with rain issues.
That's going to be one of my next experiments. I'm going to mix it all together dry and then add water. I'm probably going to try it in my poly drum mixer. 😬 😂
Slake the lime as a putty first (sometimes for days), then add 48:18 sand. We could have long conversations about bond, and what engineers think about mortar and water!
There was an episode on Ask This Old House where they were making a brick lintel repair on an early 1800s brick Federal style house. The mason was using a mixture of lime, restoration sand, and a small amount of portland. Online it can be viewed S22 E5.
I've started using a Type O mix for plastering which is 1:2:9 of cement/lime/sand. It is harder than a pure lime putty & sand mix but you still crumble it in your hand with a bit of pressure. Nowhere near as tough as stone or brick and it sets relatively quickly. Type O has the benefits of the weakness/flexibility of lime with the setting speed of cement
Yeah, we all start out believing in type O because that's what they want us to believe. I started that way, too.There is nothing historical about it, and it's garbage to work with.
@@chadvaillancourt I agree but I must warn you that pure lime & sand on it's own doesn't last well in damp or bad weather, I guess they used some sort of additive to the lime/sand to make it water resistant when they pointed historic buildings in the past
Honestly, I'm not a fan of soaking clay brick before laying. The bond is actually quite good, especially co.pared to regular mortar when it dries too fast. The lime mortar holds onto the moisture a lot better when curing.
If he is not sharing his info,he is 100% a coward..he will NEVER loose enough work to matter..thats rediculous to say that..most people LOVE to share what they know..i dont think ive ever met anyone that didnt love to share there knowledge
Why would you do that after people have told you it get hot enough to melt the bucket?..800° and you dont know if you want it on you?...durrrrr...why didnt you do it in a mtel wheel barrel?
People are parrots; they just repeat whatever they hear without knowing something for a fact. This video is a perfect example. The bucket didn't melt. I only believe what I can see and touch, and I'm not going to take someone's word for it. Years of government lies, and the mainstream media have made me cynical, I guess.
@@chadvaillancourt I'm shocked it didn't melt the bucket @ 800° #1.#2 they could have been using a different type of bucket when it melted..#3 you put the water in the middle of the mix..if you would have put the water on the sides were the mix touches the sides of bucket,you might have melted it..#4 even if it's heating the bucket up to the point we're your getting fumes,it's toxic..you would be much better off mixing it in a metal barrel of some kind.i thought you were trying to do it like the old days as much as possible anyway..they didn't have plastic buckets...anyway,it was a cool video and I enjoyed watching it..thanks and please be careful..800° is crazy hot
Everything was better long time ago. They still make the white paste in Gotland Sweden to use for repearing the old churches in Sweden. Only few people know about it.
Same thing happens with piano work, leather work, etc.
Use sharp sand with lime mortar
only 6 minutes into the video and yeah they did use finer sand back then, my 1952 house that was probably built by old bricklayers back then has lime mortar joints with fine sand and really good hard fired bricks although the house has a concrete foundation theres no blockwork or cement here except the concrete got portland cement in it of course..
You're winning me over with the lime mortar, one video at a time.
Experimenting is the best way to learn how to do something. Reading is the best way to learn to talk about something.
My sister just sent me some photos of masonry bridges in Europe that are 500+ years old and still carry traffic. Bridge designers now think 100 years is a lot to ask. I've torn down and replaced bridges less than 70 years old. You're on the right track!
So I just researched the quicklime and the little undissolved pieces that you found within the matrix of your mix are actually very beneficial, they are called lime clasts and it was said that if the joint is compromised and fractured, any water that seeps in rehydrates the lime clasts, they expand and actually repair the fracture.
I also found out that Roman concrete was and still is better than what we produce today , in part because of its self healing nature with the lime clasts within their mix. Who would have known!!!??
Crazy cool shit !!
its from volcanic ash.. its why Roman domes can still stand but our steel rebar and I beam bridges crumble.. or maybe its the billions of road traffic tons that roll over em lol.. either way i think we can all admit that the constant pursuit of everything being done as cheap and fast as possible has finally started to show its effect.. sadly i really don't see that changing and were just around the corner from printed houses.. they already exist and are made for desert climate so once they work out high humidity and cold weather then we can expect robot print and fixed/repaired homes
Im willing to bet that early masons would have dry mixed the lime and sand first and added water as needed like they do today with regular cement. I can't imagine they would've wanted the explosive reaction and i'm willing to bet dry mixing first still produces a hot mix without the crazy reaction.
Ian Cramb, a first class stone mason wrote two very good books. I know of a few others, but not in English. I do have friends that are apprentices or journeymen in France and Germany that learn this first-hand, so the art will not be lost, just not common.
Witness the restoration of Notre Dame. I donated for room and board for the carpenters who would do part of the restoration, and they made the request and were assembling while the fire was still burning. All is not lost, but those that practice the art of building are becoming more rare.
Just compare the annual trades apprenticeship competitions between North America and Europe. There is no just comparison. We are a joke here in America!
love this stuff, you helped me build my first chimney bud 🤙 ty!
Love to hear it! Thanks for the support!
Learning at the same time. I am repointing sections that are failing. I have read that some pre-mix the sand and lime rather that layering it before adding water. Haven't tried it yet. I'm also using pool sand because the mortar i am seeing is is the same as you have found.. Many say use soft and sharp sands. Test test test. I live in a dry climate so I do not have to deal with rain issues.
That's going to be one of my next experiments. I'm going to mix it all together dry and then add water. I'm probably going to try it in my poly drum mixer. 😬 😂
Slake the lime as a putty first (sometimes for days), then add 48:18 sand.
We could have long conversations about bond, and what engineers think about mortar and water!
Tkzz for sharing.,.,.,.,peace
This is awesome!!
Let's go!!
I've been working with the type s crap for 30 years and I think it's time to find some quick lime 😮😮
There was an episode on Ask This Old House where they were making a brick lintel repair on an early 1800s brick Federal style house. The mason was using a mixture of lime, restoration sand, and a small amount of portland. Online it can be viewed S22 E5.
I've started using a Type O mix for plastering which is 1:2:9 of cement/lime/sand. It is harder than a pure lime putty & sand mix but you still crumble it in your hand with a bit of pressure. Nowhere near as tough as stone or brick and it sets relatively quickly. Type O has the benefits of the weakness/flexibility of lime with the setting speed of cement
Yeah, we all start out believing in type O because that's what they want us to believe. I started that way, too.There is nothing historical about it, and it's garbage to work with.
@@chadvaillancourt I agree but I must warn you that pure lime & sand on it's own doesn't last well in damp or bad weather, I guess they used some sort of additive to the lime/sand to make it water resistant when they pointed historic buildings in the past
They used egg jolks!
Did you soak the bricks in water? They are old and dry so bonding will be weak.
Honestly, I'm not a fan of soaking clay brick before laying. The bond is actually quite good, especially co.pared to regular mortar when it dries too fast. The lime mortar holds onto the moisture a lot better when curing.
If he is not sharing his info,he is 100% a coward..he will NEVER loose enough work to matter..thats rediculous to say that..most people LOVE to share what they know..i dont think ive ever met anyone that didnt love to share there knowledge
You crazy bastard!!!
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Using dirty bricks makes this a terrible experiment
Subscribing because of the sketchiness!
Lets go!
Why would you do that after people have told you it get hot enough to melt the bucket?..800° and you dont know if you want it on you?...durrrrr...why didnt you do it in a mtel wheel barrel?
People are parrots; they just repeat whatever they hear without knowing something for a fact. This video is a perfect example. The bucket didn't melt. I only believe what I can see and touch, and I'm not going to take someone's word for it. Years of government lies, and the mainstream media have made me cynical, I guess.
@@chadvaillancourt I'm shocked it didn't melt the bucket @ 800° #1.#2 they could have been using a different type of bucket when it melted..#3 you put the water in the middle of the mix..if you would have put the water on the sides were the mix touches the sides of bucket,you might have melted it..#4 even if it's heating the bucket up to the point we're your getting fumes,it's toxic..you would be much better off mixing it in a metal barrel of some kind.i thought you were trying to do it like the old days as much as possible anyway..they didn't have plastic buckets...anyway,it was a cool video and I enjoyed watching it..thanks and please be careful..800° is crazy hot
Old boy needs to take Elon's stance. No patents or secrets. We all need to work towards the common good. He has and remains at the top in his field.
I do love your experimentation.
@hotmixedmortars
Very informative channel regarding hot mix mortars.