5:04 people think jack kelso is not capable of anything but he is actually the most worthy one out of everyone there cuase he doesn’t let his guard down, he doesnt fear anything, and just shows he is a person that is really hard to break.
I always liked Jack Kelso and Cole equally but being an adult now whereas I was a child playing the game. I certainly have a much greater amount of respect for Jack than I do Cole now that I fully understand the entire storyline
1:23:00. This talk is one my favorites in the game. Cole really needed to hear that from someone who fought in the War like he did. Cole just can't forgive himself.
The game does a great job at making you dislike Jack at first, until you discover that he's the real hero of LA Noire. Although the story follows Cole's unrelenting thirst to "earn" his heroism and prove himself, Jack was a selfless hero from beginning to end, satisfied with doing his part no matter how small and making the tough decisions, even if the system never seemed to agree with him. Despite Cole being an excellent cop and an outstanding case man, it was ultimately Kelso who remained plucky and honest to the values he preached until the very end.
Yeah I wish they would have made a sequel with Jack Kelso as the protagonist. He could still be a DAs investigator or even a private investigator, I don't know what the overall story would be though.
@@americangangster1911 I completely agree. I only played and finished this game a couple weeks ago so I'm late to the party, but LA Noire is easily one of my favorite games of all time and I'd love to see a sequel despite how unlikely it probably is. Jack is a special character because I think a lot of us can actually relate to Cole on some level-- sometimes we choose to play by the rules set forth by the greater powers to achieve our goals, even if it means compromising on our own feelings and morals here and there to get what we want. We might even fool ourselves into thinking our goals are selfless or noble, but deep down they can turn out to be entirely self-serving. But Jack Kelso wasn't one of those people, and despite his nasty attitude, he's a braver and more honorable man than most of us, and that can be tough to admit. He may not have liked Cole, and he may have seen right through Cole's "altruist" guise, but he respected him just as much as he respected every other soldier he fought alongside with. I'd love to see a sequel featuring Jack, especially since he hogged all the best one-liners in the entire game, with Roy coming in at a close second.
@@Kettz I agree with everything you said about Jack. Chances are if Rockstar ever decides to make a detective game it will most likely be something completely new but who knows. The developers of L.A. Noire "Team Bondi" are no longer around but they were working on a spiritual successor to L.A. Noire that got cancelled, here's the only footage available: ua-cam.com/video/ickW-rqNoIs/v-deo.html&ab_channel=AmericanGangster
Though even he is not without his faults. He knew Courtney and the other marines had stolen the morphine, and the only reason he didn’t report them was because of the “unit loyalty” he thought he owed them. But such ideals, and a personal dislike for Cole, ended up causing multiple deaths and overdoses.
I feel like Cole and Jack bounce of each other well, which really gives them a lot of depth and dynamic. Without either one they wouldn’t be the well written characters they are
its interesting looking at the contrast between how cole and jack backout off the "lie" . cole looks down in shame, and jack holds his head high, he has way more confidence and a smaller ego than cole.
Biggs: You were never his friend, Jack. Jack: I guess you’re right. Hershel? Biggs: Yeah, Jack? Jack: I was never his enemy. Biggs: I think he knew that, Jack.
I don’t know how much potential there is for a sequel to LA Noire,although Leland Monroe and Harlan Fontaine die in the final act of the game, there wasn’t much more of a scandal for Jack to expose as if even if more houses were built under the suburban redevelopment fund, there was no more Ira to burn down the prop up insurance fraud houses and by the last few minutes of Cole’s life the district attorney seemingly got bribed or is being coerced into staying quiet and not blowing the entire story out to the public so any and all evidence acquired along the way would be deemed moot and Jack seemingly leaves the strongest piece of evidence behind at the Keystone Film Studio so who knows which board member on the SRF sent their goons to go over there and clean that up plus the person that our villains needed most to ensure the remaining villains wouldn’t go down is alive and well as he was the editor of the in game newspaper so he had a hold on what the public would hear
Jack Kelso is wearing blue. Characters who wear cool colors like blue, black, purple, or any cool color shows that the character is a good guy. Characters who wear hot colors like white, red, gold, or any hot color shows that the character is a bad guy.
@@matthewriley7826 Leland Monroe is wearing white which cements that he’s a bad guy. Dr. Harlan Fontaine is wearing a red sweater and a white blazer which cements that he’s a bad guy as well. Chief William Worrell is also a bad guy sure he’s wearing black because that’s part of his uniform but also he has gold which cements that he’s also a bad guy.
I don't know about anyone else here, and I may be on my own on this one, but I personally can't find myself warming up to Jack Kelso. Mainly because he just comes off throughout the game as borderline Gary Stu. I personally couldn't find any fault in him as a character in a city of sinners and fallen angels (at least that's what the concept of the game comes off to me as). Yes, Phelps is unlikeable and glory-hunting, but I dare to say that he's more realistic. The last flashback we get felt like a wasted potential to give some form of a character arc for Kelso. Where he knew that some of his comrades were conspiring to steal morphine, but he didn't report on it. Because of this, morphine got out on the streets, people got addicted to it and some of his colleagues got killed, because he did nothing earlier on. It could have been interesting to have that reflect on Kelso and could probably give further motivation for him. That he wished to find some form of redemption in his failure, that he had to learn the hard way that no matter how brave, loyal, and courageous his comrades were in the war, in peacetime, those same men will hold these qualities cheaply when out in the streets. Especially, when there's a chance to make easy money. Almost in the same way as Phelps wishes to convince himself that he is a hero and that he earned the Silver Star in Okinawa. But he had to learn that not everything is black and white as the law may state and that he has to understand others and that courage has to come from personal humility, instead of from fame and glory. I dare to say that we may like to imagine ourselves as Kelso, but we would more likely be like Phelps in reality.
I think Jack is intended to be a more static character without a deep arc. He rejects authority for ostensibly more brutal grunt work because he can't adapt to whatever requirements it takes to be a commissioned officer, and to be frank, he's probably a man who is freer and happier that way anyway. Jack is conflicted on the morphine flooding the street, but I think it's also evident throughout the game that Kelso is just trying to "live with it" (as he says about their combat missions) and control only what he can control. He doesn't seem like a Gary Stu because he isn't particularly ambitious or exceptional, he's just a competent, even man who is trying to do what he can. That means focusing only on his own little world, and I think even in the end of the game, it's clear that's still all he really cares about, and in that, the men he can still take care of. Given the circumstances, Kelso seems grounded. It's hard to say he's unrealistic as I've known men like Kelso in real life. Usually, what happens is they get tired of being the "father to their men" in whatever role they are in, and give it up for something quieter, as they turn inward. But it doesn't diminish their motives, they just can't (usually) sustain it for a lifetime. You see Kelso doing this as he pushes away marines in the morphine trade as he tries to live a peaceful life, which is futile, and he has to return to his ways. That being said, I have some issues with the portrayal of military officers like Phelps and the upper ends of authority in Rockstar games more generally. I know it's a useful trope in fiction, but many of the people up above in a hierarchy but not at the top, especially the middle managers and middle officers, are decent people forced about by institutions or some deeper momentum. Anyway, you are also constrained by the limits of the medium. At some point you have to leave material on the cutting room floor, a deeper arc to Kelso could have been some of that.
Well im the niece of the REAL Jack William Kelso, he is my mother's only brother and is a hero 🇺🇸🇺🇸 Pvt Jack William Kelso a Marine fought and died in the Korean War at the Battle of the Hook. Metal of Honor recepient. My family is military strong.. My brother a retired Army Ranger 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Another masterpiece video you are doing phenomenal my brother 😊😀❤😁💖❤😁 hopefully one day we get la noire 2 my boy this game is a masterpiece you are legendary youtuber ever 😊😀❤💖😁 big love buddy take your time rockstargames and you make is game feel more fun and different you inspire millions of beautiful people big love again my brother love you brother of bud btw your iq is 190 to 220 very smart and everything my man intelligent love you again buddy
The real Pvt Jack William Kelso a Marine who fought in the Korean War, who fought & died at Battle of the Hook in 1952 ..Metal of Honor Recipient and only had sisters because 1 of his sisters is my mother. Who makes up this crap before really looking into the person you are trying to portray???
Did you know that there's a book called California Fire & Life where the main character's name is Jack Wade? He's a claims investigator just like Jack kelso who investigates a series of arsons. My point is Jack Kelso was not just inspired by one person, and this game takes place in 1947 before the Korean war ever took place. Jack Kelso is a WW2 vet, not a Korea vet, so I'm wondering why you think your Jack Kelso was inspiration for the video game character?
5:04 people think jack kelso is not capable of anything but he is actually the most worthy one out of everyone there cuase he doesn’t let his guard down, he doesnt fear anything, and just shows he is a person that is really hard to break.
I always liked Jack Kelso and Cole equally but being an adult now whereas I was a child playing the game. I certainly have a much greater amount of respect for Jack than I do Cole now that I fully understand the entire storyline
1:23:00. This talk is one my favorites in the game. Cole really needed to hear that from someone who fought in the War like he did. Cole just can't forgive himself.
It makes me so happy that someone like you wants to share their love for LA NOIRE years after.
And for good reason. The game is a masterpiece in storytelling.
The game does a great job at making you dislike Jack at first, until you discover that he's the real hero of LA Noire. Although the story follows Cole's unrelenting thirst to "earn" his heroism and prove himself, Jack was a selfless hero from beginning to end, satisfied with doing his part no matter how small and making the tough decisions, even if the system never seemed to agree with him. Despite Cole being an excellent cop and an outstanding case man, it was ultimately Kelso who remained plucky and honest to the values he preached until the very end.
Yeah I wish they would have made a sequel with Jack Kelso as the protagonist. He could still be a DAs investigator or even a private investigator, I don't know what the overall story would be though.
@@americangangster1911 I completely agree. I only played and finished this game a couple weeks ago so I'm late to the party, but LA Noire is easily one of my favorite games of all time and I'd love to see a sequel despite how unlikely it probably is.
Jack is a special character because I think a lot of us can actually relate to Cole on some level-- sometimes we choose to play by the rules set forth by the greater powers to achieve our goals, even if it means compromising on our own feelings and morals here and there to get what we want. We might even fool ourselves into thinking our goals are selfless or noble, but deep down they can turn out to be entirely self-serving. But Jack Kelso wasn't one of those people, and despite his nasty attitude, he's a braver and more honorable man than most of us, and that can be tough to admit. He may not have liked Cole, and he may have seen right through Cole's "altruist" guise, but he respected him just as much as he respected every other soldier he fought alongside with.
I'd love to see a sequel featuring Jack, especially since he hogged all the best one-liners in the entire game, with Roy coming in at a close second.
@@Kettz I agree with everything you said about Jack. Chances are if Rockstar ever decides to make a detective game it will most likely be something completely new but who knows. The developers of L.A. Noire "Team Bondi" are no longer around but they were working on a spiritual successor to L.A. Noire that got cancelled, here's the only footage available: ua-cam.com/video/ickW-rqNoIs/v-deo.html&ab_channel=AmericanGangster
@@americangangster1911 Cole Phelps was the decoy protagonist. Jack Kelso was the main protagonist.
Though even he is not without his faults. He knew Courtney and the other marines had stolen the morphine, and the only reason he didn’t report them was because of the “unit loyalty” he thought he owed them. But such ideals, and a personal dislike for Cole, ended up causing multiple deaths and overdoses.
I feel like Cole and Jack bounce of each other well, which really gives them a lot of depth and dynamic. Without either one they wouldn’t be the well written characters they are
its interesting looking at the contrast between how cole and jack backout off the "lie" . cole looks down in shame, and jack holds his head high, he has way more confidence and a smaller ego than cole.
Detective Cole Phelps 🙏
What a legend and iconic video game character
Watching this almost makes me like Jack Kelso more than I like Arthur Morgan
Biggs: You were never his friend, Jack.
Jack: I guess you’re right. Hershel?
Biggs: Yeah, Jack?
Jack: I was never his enemy.
Biggs: I think he knew that, Jack.
I want la noire 2 in which jack kelso story of becoming D.A private investigator
RDR: John Marston to Jack Marston
RDR2: Arthur Morgan to John Marston
LA Noire: Cole Phelps to Jack Kelso
If in any life Rockstar drop a sequel, Kelso must be the protagonist.
I don’t know how much potential there is for a sequel to LA Noire,although Leland Monroe and Harlan Fontaine die in the final act of the game,
there wasn’t much more of a scandal for Jack to expose as if even if more houses were built under the suburban redevelopment fund,
there was no more Ira to burn down the prop up insurance fraud houses and by the last few minutes of Cole’s life the district attorney seemingly got bribed or is being coerced into staying quiet and not blowing the entire story out to the public
so any and all evidence acquired along the way would be deemed moot and Jack seemingly leaves the strongest piece of evidence behind at the Keystone Film Studio so who knows which board member on the SRF sent their goons to go over there and clean that up plus the person that our villains needed most to ensure the remaining villains wouldn’t go down is alive and well as he was the editor of the in game newspaper so he had a hold on what the public would hear
The only thing I hate about Kelso is that he wears his pants with a belt and suspenders.
I hate literally everything else about him.
58:05
"Here's to our wives and our girlfriends, may they never meet!"
Awesome scene compilation. Could be it's own movie. It's a great game.
Thank you.
"Well get up and get out of that FUCKING HOLE!"
"You do it Phelps. Get your own fucking hands dirty!"
Courtney got his own hands dirty after the war, through naïveté and poor decisions…
That drill sarge at the beginning is just intimidating and very stereotypical
01:37:00 This part always makes me laugh
Jack Kelso is wearing blue. Characters who wear cool colors like blue, black, purple, or any cool color shows that the character is a good guy. Characters who wear hot colors like white, red, gold, or any hot color shows that the character is a bad guy.
And Phelps starts wearing grey later in the game, showing how he definitely isn’t a good guy, but he isn’t a bad guy either.
@@matthewriley7826 Leland Monroe is wearing white which cements that he’s a bad guy.
Dr. Harlan Fontaine is wearing a red sweater and a white blazer which cements that he’s a bad guy as well.
Chief William Worrell is also a bad guy sure he’s wearing black because that’s part of his uniform but also he has gold which cements that he’s also a bad guy.
Not always tho bc Stefan and Herschel wear “warm” colors but they’re not bad at all
Does someone know the name of the song at 56:35 ?
I don't know about anyone else here, and I may be on my own on this one, but I personally can't find myself warming up to Jack Kelso. Mainly because he just comes off throughout the game as borderline Gary Stu. I personally couldn't find any fault in him as a character in a city of sinners and fallen angels (at least that's what the concept of the game comes off to me as). Yes, Phelps is unlikeable and glory-hunting, but I dare to say that he's more realistic. The last flashback we get felt like a wasted potential to give some form of a character arc for Kelso. Where he knew that some of his comrades were conspiring to steal morphine, but he didn't report on it. Because of this, morphine got out on the streets, people got addicted to it and some of his colleagues got killed, because he did nothing earlier on. It could have been interesting to have that reflect on Kelso and could probably give further motivation for him. That he wished to find some form of redemption in his failure, that he had to learn the hard way that no matter how brave, loyal, and courageous his comrades were in the war, in peacetime, those same men will hold these qualities cheaply when out in the streets. Especially, when there's a chance to make easy money. Almost in the same way as Phelps wishes to convince himself that he is a hero and that he earned the Silver Star in Okinawa. But he had to learn that not everything is black and white as the law may state and that he has to understand others and that courage has to come from personal humility, instead of from fame and glory. I dare to say that we may like to imagine ourselves as Kelso, but we would more likely be like Phelps in reality.
I think Jack is intended to be a more static character without a deep arc. He rejects authority for ostensibly more brutal grunt work because he can't adapt to whatever requirements it takes to be a commissioned officer, and to be frank, he's probably a man who is freer and happier that way anyway.
Jack is conflicted on the morphine flooding the street, but I think it's also evident throughout the game that Kelso is just trying to "live with it" (as he says about their combat missions) and control only what he can control. He doesn't seem like a Gary Stu because he isn't particularly ambitious or exceptional, he's just a competent, even man who is trying to do what he can. That means focusing only on his own little world, and I think even in the end of the game, it's clear that's still all he really cares about, and in that, the men he can still take care of.
Given the circumstances, Kelso seems grounded. It's hard to say he's unrealistic as I've known men like Kelso in real life. Usually, what happens is they get tired of being the "father to their men" in whatever role they are in, and give it up for something quieter, as they turn inward. But it doesn't diminish their motives, they just can't (usually) sustain it for a lifetime. You see Kelso doing this as he pushes away marines in the morphine trade as he tries to live a peaceful life, which is futile, and he has to return to his ways.
That being said, I have some issues with the portrayal of military officers like Phelps and the upper ends of authority in Rockstar games more generally. I know it's a useful trope in fiction, but many of the people up above in a hierarchy but not at the top, especially the middle managers and middle officers, are decent people forced about by institutions or some deeper momentum.
Anyway, you are also constrained by the limits of the medium. At some point you have to leave material on the cutting room floor, a deeper arc to Kelso could have been some of that.
Well im the niece of the REAL Jack William Kelso, he is my mother's only brother and is a hero 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Pvt Jack William Kelso a Marine fought and died in the Korean War at the Battle of the Hook. Metal of Honor recepient. My family is military strong.. My brother a retired Army Ranger 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I wonder why they never made a character based off of Cotton Hill from KOTH
Never liked him because he's always on a high horse and was the only character without flaws
Another masterpiece video you are doing phenomenal my brother 😊😀❤😁💖❤😁 hopefully one day we get la noire 2 my boy this game is a masterpiece you are legendary youtuber ever 😊😀❤💖😁 big love buddy take your time rockstargames and you make is game feel more fun and different you inspire millions of beautiful people big love again my brother love you brother of bud btw your iq is 190 to 220 very smart and everything my man intelligent love you again buddy
Thanks man I appreciate that, I have another L.A. Noire video about Mickey Cohen coming up soon.
I don't iven remember Jack Kelso. But I played this game like 13 years ago
Seems like an allegory to only remember Cole (war hero) and forget about Jack (forgotten soldier). Just like in the story.
The real Pvt Jack William Kelso a Marine who fought in the Korean War, who fought & died at Battle of the Hook in 1952 ..Metal of Honor Recipient and only had sisters because 1 of his sisters is my mother.
Who makes up this crap before really looking into the person you are trying to portray???
Did you know that there's a book called California Fire & Life where the main character's name is Jack Wade? He's a claims investigator just like Jack kelso who investigates a series of arsons. My point is Jack Kelso was not just inspired by one person, and this game takes place in 1947 before the Korean war ever took place. Jack Kelso is a WW2 vet, not a Korea vet, so I'm wondering why you think your Jack Kelso was inspiration for the video game character?
Yeaa because there’s only ever been one Jack Kelso 😂
For some reason I was enjoying Jacks sections more
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