Upgrading my Harbor Freight Dust Collector
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- This video is about turning my single stage dust collection into a 2 stage dust collection.
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Great job and thank you for sharing. I’m a disabled woodworker also and I appreciate all your hard work!
Thank you. I recently received 205' of reclaimed Bubinga wood thats in a serious need of cleaning. Stay tuned to see how it comes out. Stop by Dave's Woodworking Shop on Facebook for day to day activity. Remember, Eyes and Ears and Thank You for watching.
NIce job Dave...keep up the videos.
Thanks.
Thanks Dave for sharing your implementation. This weekend I think I watched about 20+ UA-cam videos on this and considered which ones I would like to model mine after. I think I'll use many of your points. I did want to use the middle section to build the thien baffle and as this is in my garage, I am going to pass the filtered dust outside the shop. I went out to purchase my 2hp HF DC this afternoon.
Gary McGeehon: Thanks for viewing my video. I too viewed about 20+ videos on this and took what I thought was the best ideas and combined them into what you see. My DC is vented outside also after going through the thien baffle. And my shop is in my one and a half car garage. Right now my DC is down, I accidentally sucked up my dust mask and it didn't come out the other end. So it's stuck some where in 40' of 78' of pipe. (Oops) I know the route it should have taken, but it didn't make it to the thien baffle. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Stay safe.
OK! As many have said, I've been watching a plethora of HF DC videos! The way you did the baffle is by far the best use of all parts from the DC. I've been using a 2 stage (non baffle) system and have a Wynn filter atop the DC. The way it is now takes up a lot of floor space in my "tiny" :) shop. I'm stealing your set up, please don't sue me! I'll gain at least another 4 sq ft!
Excellent video Dave.
Ron E Rawhoof, Thanks.
I have watch several videos of this modification and I haven’t seen anyone else come up with the toilet flange idea I like that it will make the connections easier I plan to use the thin wall drain pipe also
jourdan hazen: Thank you for watching. And I'm glad you liked my idea. Keep making sawdust.
Looks like some great ideas.
Dave for what it’s worth this being your first video I think you did an awesome job. I have watched a lot, I mean a lot of these woodworking videos because I am retired and this is something that I love and I’m thinking about doing the same thing you did as far as starting to produce UA-cam videos. One thing I have noticed on a lot of the sites with a lot of these really good productions is you always have those “thumbs down “ people with negative comments. Just ignore them! They are not worth your time and certainly not worth getting your blood pressure up.
Keep up the good work!
John Biggi Thanks for subscribing to my page and Thanks for the positive comment. I'll be posting a video soon, I hope. I was in a car accident November 7th 2017 and it left me with a broken neck. I am all healed up and walking again. And I hope to be woodworking again soon. So much so, that my shop will be revamped. It'll have surround sound stereo (done), a 42" monitor that's connected to my computer (done), and maybe one day it'll be connected to a CNC router. But, one step at a time. Keep watching, and remember, Eyes and Ears.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video, nice job on the collector build, it looks great!
GlenGH Thank you for the kind remark, and Thank you for watching. Keep making sawdust.
Good video. I have been researching lots of dust collection ideas and plan to vent mine outside, too. As little as I will do won't hurt a thing or anyone. I will also have a two stage. Sure liked the fill gauge you made.
Darrell Blair: Thank you, glad you liked it. As for the fill gauge, I kinda wish I made it a little wider. That way I can see in there easier. But this is 20/20 hindsight. And Thank you for subscribing.
Well Done Dave. I will upgrade my new HF DC system as you videoed.
Thank you, and I'm sorry I didn't see your comment sooner. Normally I try to reply within 24hrs.
I understand how you can get busy and forget to take build pictures, I'm guilty too. Lol. That didn't hurt this video at all because the finished photos were exactly what was needed to understand how you built it. I understand that there are always questions afterwards but I wish you included a photo of how much dust is blown outside. If you could comment I'd appreciate it.
Thanks for sharing.
AXMRDR, I made a short video showing the exhaust, and just how much dust accumulated after one month.
@@DaveScruggs Thanks, I think I found it.
Dave, thanks so much for doing this video. I also have a HF dust collection system and wanted to do a 2 stag set up into a 55 gal. barrel . I also mulled over using a cyclone vs the thien baffle, 1. I didn't want to pay more for the Onedia large cyclone seperator than I did for the dust collector sys. & I also hated to waste the large piece that goes between the bags. Your layout is perfect for what I was envisioning trying to do so, thank you for bring it to a working model that I will follow almost identically in my shop. Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work. One thing you mentioned if you could work on is showing us more of the steps in the process would be helpful but otherwise Great Job!! James
You're Welcome. Sorry I didn't see your comment sooner. I try to reply within 24hrs. Since making this video, I have not had any problem with the system. Well I did have one. I had to open up the blade housing and clean it out. I had a little bit of build up, and it started to offset the balance and it started to make a weird noise. Once I cleaned that out, problem solved. But considering it took several years for the fine dust to accumulate on the blades, it's a easy fix. And I replaced the screws that hold the blade housing closed. I used screws with same threading, but larger heads. Dave
Well done Dave. I built a similar setup with my motor in the shop attic to keep the noise down. It's nice to not have to clean the filter anymore especially after using anything that produced fine dust.
Hardnox: Thanks. I love it.
Good job 👌 Dave 😊 I like
Thank you. Since this video was done, I've upgraded it even more.
Fine job. Never worry about internet trolls. I have a small UA-cam channel and some of the comments I get are so hateful, I too, find myself getting upset. Generally, the people that send these kinds of comments are lonely and pathetic. They are sad and want others to be sad with them. The first amendment does give us the freedom of speech; not the freedom of hate. As far as your build is concerned, I appreciate your thought to detail. I love the window on the drum. I agree to the thin wall PVC as well. As hobbyist woodworkers, we do with what we have. NEVER make excuses for who you are. We are all human, except for some who pretend to be whale poop. Great Job Dave!
Pondiver, Thank You for the kind words. I just keep moving forward, and that's all I can do, and just leave the trolls behind. Hopefully I'll be posting another video soon. I'm in the process of rebuilding my shop. But Thank You for watching, and stop over to Dave's Woodworking Shop on Facebook and you can see the latest things going on in the shop.
Nice job Dave. I'm making my first Thien Baffle today. I'm just knocking up a quick one from some scraps of OSB but will take great pleasure in using my router to make a decent job at some point. It's interesting seeing the angle at which the chips are falling past the window in your blue drum
Thank you. Yea, I used my jig saw and router to help cut the slit in my Thien Baffle. It was a fun project. What's real interesting is the way the chip lay in the drum. They'll be high against the wall and in the center, but depressed in the middle half way between the center and wall. Think of a donut impression in the chips.
@@DaveScruggs That is interesting. I'll see what happens with mine. These things are fascinating, I've already got some ideas for another one. Have you had to reinforce the drum against suction?
@@johnswimcat No, not at all. The blue drum is thick enough to prevent that. Even the window doesn't give me a problem. The plexiglass is double sealed with caulk with aluminum tape over it.
@@DaveScruggs I've just tried my Thien baffle. Impressed is an understatement, the thing is amazing! I didn't think I'd made it very well because the OSB has a rough surface and the slot is in sections and about an inch in from the chamber wall. I think a tiny bit of very fine dust got through to the shop vac (as you guys call them, I'm British!) but the baffle must be almost 100% efficient in terms of collection. The next project will be to split the shop vac and make a Thien baffle to fit between the top and the drum. I wonder where Phil Thien is? It would be nice to be able to thank him for the idea
You are a natural. Subscribed. Waiting for your next one.
Great job Dave thanks for sharing keep them coming
I think I have new inspiration for the theim system
Bart Giles Thank You.
Good job Dave.
Gary Elder, Thank you.
Dave, I like your project. Venting the DC outdoors is the way to go for many woodworkers, because it's the tiny dust you can't see that will cause long term damage to your lungs. It's possible to filter that with the very nice and costly filters that are nearly as large as the 55 gal barrel, but you will never be as effective as pushing the air out the wall. In my case, my garage is my shop, and it's not heated or cooled. In the summertime, I'm glad to have some air movement, but this would not be practical for a basement shop.
Money saved on a DC system that gets the dust out of the way and saves my lungs can be spent on a shelix cutter head or something else that I care about, so a practical system like this makes sense.
Great detail. Thank you.
Todd Horvath: You're Welcome.
nice set up
Steven Arango: Thanks.
Do more videos, narration was great.
Great build and video, thanks. Your motor is mounted sideways, which makes sense for the direction of airflow, but are the bearings on the electric motor shaft able to take the downward loading? Are the bearings on the motor shaft, thrust bearings?
I like your video good job keep it up and live long
Good build video Dave.
MrE2112 Thank You. I'm hoping to put out another one soon.
Ok viewers I have something to say. I recently had someone start commenting on my video. Now I'm all for the 1st Amendment rights, BUT!! If you're going to come on my page and insult me and my intelligence, and accuse me of things like I don't care about my body, your comment is going to receive a one way ticket to Deletesville. I am disabled, I've survived 5 heart attacks, and yes I was even dead for 1.5 minutes at one point. I do this for fun, and I don't have time for people like that. My "shop" is a 1.5 car garage with 78' of 4" pipe in it. If you don't like it, don't comment on it. Even if I get a million thumbs down, I'll see it as a million people viewed my video. Which is still a positive. So enjoy the video, and have a nice day.
mike susman: You still don't get it. I don't care about the numbers, a lot of people don't. We just like making things out of wood. I have 2 industrial fans in my shop, 1 blowing in, 1 blowing out, I wear a face mask and I don't worry about dust. I have bigger things to worry about than dust. And this is the end of this thread. Anything you post will automatically get sent to Deletesvilles. Have a nice day.
Well Dave, for what it's worth, I instantly liked you when watching your video - but better than that I learned a lot. I am British but they sell the exact same model as the Harbor Freight here in the UK under the brand SIP, so I was looking for a way to do something like this and your tutorial will prove invaluable. Ignore the trolls mate, there'd be something weird if you didnt get them, they're everywhere - maybe they're still pissed that witch Hillary didnt get voted in LOL
The President of The Internet ...Sorry I didn't see your post earlier and I usually reply within 24hrs. But Thank You for watching my video, and Thank You for commenting. I'm glad it helped you out. I'm glad you found some useful information in there. I'll be posting a video soon, unfortunately there won't be any woodworking in it. But an update on what happened and why I haven't posted a video since November.
Dave Scruggs rule one of the internet is don’t feed the online trolls. One of those things to let roll off your back and realize how pointless it is to care about their stupid comments.
Good job
Thanks.
I enjoyed your video, thank you!
Kodi Ham Thank You for watching.
I have a question about the homemade blast gates: how airtight are they? I've used manufactured plastic gates before and didn't like them much because the slots became clogged with sawdust and I couldn't properly close them. I've seen a variety of homemade gates much like yours and have always wondered how well they actually stopped the airflow. Thanks for the video, I enjoyed it very much.
TheCurmudgeon: Well all dust collection systems are not 100% completely sealed. There will always be a leak somewhere, and you can go crazy chasing them down. But as for my blast gates, they do a great job of sealing/stopping the air flow. Mine have 4 screws that hold it together, and a line drawn on them so when I take them apart to clean, they'll go right back together in the original way. So about once a year I do a maintenance cleaning job on them all. Now my wife is a smoker and I've used the smoke from her cigarette to see if it sucks any in, and what very minuet that it does, I call it good. But you've given me an idea to make a video on how to make my blast gates. I don't think I touched on it enough. Thanks for "Liking" my page and keep watching.
Thank you. I'd be interested to see how you make them.
Thank you very much for sharing. I am going to do something like that soon. New sub.
You're most welcome. Thank you for watching.
In my opinion this is a great video. I have watched several on the subject and you had some points that I considered much better than the others I've seen. I agree with you that most of the criticisms on youtube are just uncalled for. I was wondering since I live in the country with no near neighbors, would it be possible to go without the separator and just blow everything outside? I am concerned about letting everything go through the impeller though as I am afraid if a large chip is somehow picked up it might cause damage.
Tim Daniel, I wouldn't go without a separator. Just because once I sucked up a rag by accident, and it was caught in the separator and not in the impellers. So you never know what will go through your system until it does, and it's better error on the side of caution. Remember Eyes and Ears and keep making sawdust.
I once lived about a quarter of a mile from a cabinet making shop in a rural community. They blew all their saw dust/chips outside. It formed a large pile of wood waste but no big deal. I'm inclined to use a collector because most sawdust can be used for gardening but not cedar or walnut. Aside from the other practical reasons for using one, a collector would allow you to keep useful waste separated from harmful waste.
Question for you. I am considering doing something very similar to this in my shop and I'm wondering how much fine dust gets blown outside? Maybe consider doing a followup video showing that for us? I enjoyed this video and found it very informative and concise. Thanks for your time.
PATH OF LIFE, Go to Dave's Woodworking Shop on Facebook. I'll post a photo there so you can see how much fine dust gets blown outside. What you'll see is after 50' of Bubinga through the planer, the table saw, and miter saw. And my barrel is less than 1/4 full.
Dave, Thumbs up bud. Always remember, it is your content, and your channel. delete whatever you feel like. I loved the video mostly because it seems you are being very genuine with your delivery. iphone and ipad filmed? Great job. I hope to see more from you, as I have hit the subscribe button. i'll toss in a like also. I really liked that youtossed in a blast gate video. maybe you could make a more detailed one of the blast gates and another showing your piping and tool connections? I'd watch them both. I have some tools that I am not sure how to connect up, so some examples may provide some needed inspiration. thanks again, glad you survived all those heart attacks :) Keep up the great videos. 04/10/2019
Michael Illingby: Thanks for all the positive comments. I've had another subscriber ask about the blast gates. So I think I'll be doing one. When I make my videos, I try to talk to the viewer as if they were sitting next me. And if you watch my other videos, I try to do it in one take. The HF Upgrade is the only one I did in multiple takes. And yeah, I hated video editing. It took to much time away from woodworking. So stop over at Dave's Woodworking Shop on Facebook. There is day to day posts over there. Again, Thanks for the positive comments, and keep making sawdust.
Dave, love the video! I just recently started to convert my HF dust collector to a 2 stage. I'm not going to build a baffle but rather just use the one supplied with the HF collector. I was going to try to force the plastic lid of the barrel down into for a good tight fit. I'm sure after hours of trying this I will make my lid out of wood also. My question is where did you get the plans for your bandsaw circle jig? Still, don't worry about the trolls on youtube, you did a great job and it works as advertised.
KENNY KYLE , Thanks for the nice "works as advertised" comment. As for the bandsaw jig, I just thought of it, and made it. I'm one of those guys that can think of something and just know how to build it. I actually was going to move, and I threw my Jig away to save space. Well the house didn't sell because people didn't like 3 massive oak trees over the house. So after 90 days with no offers, except one couple wanted us to cut the trees down and Not add it to the price of the house, we moved in. And let me tell you, I'm revamping the shop, surround sound, and a 42" monitor for the computer to eventually run a CNC router, a new work bench, a 4'x4' walk around assembly bench, things are coming along. Wait for the new video to come out. So, I'll be making a video of a new bandsaw Jig also, so watch for that one. You can stop by Dave's Woodworking Shop on Facebook and you'll see almost daily photos of the new shop. Hope to see you there.
Dave, one other quick question, since you vented outside do you have any issue with the dust collection pulling all the heat or cooling, ( maybe AC if you have that) out of your shop when the fan is running? I know there are some video's on here that mention that happening.
Great video I have the same HF dust collection
Will this up grade increase the suction
I'm not sure, I didn't measure the before and after suction.
That was a great video and very informative, especially as it’s your first one. I especially like your ideas of the sanitary waste flange and the drier vent. That’s a cool adaptation for commonly available products. I have a quick question...you’ve used PVC to construct your system, with a lot of 90 elbows. Are you having any problems with static charges and clogging? I’ll be honest, I’m leery of using PVC because of that, but it’s so much easier to use than metal ducting. Please let me hear your thoughts.
Boris Calderon: Thanks for your kind words. Since that video was made, I've reduced the amount of 90° elbows to 2 - 45° turns with 6" piping between them. Even when I had the 90° there, I didn't have any clogging. Where I had the problem at was where I had a "T" section where 2 lines came together. Now I have a "Y" with 2 - 45° bringing 2 lines together. All my pipes are screwed together with 1/2" sheet metal screws with a copper wire running from screw to screw. And the screw protrudes inside thus reducing any static. So I don't worry about static. I hope this helps, and Thanks for watching. Keep making sawdust.
I have seen Oneida (?) use bare copper wire inside the pipes to drain off static electricity. I forget the details but expect to start using grounding this summer.
Thanks for the video. I was wondering about static and grounding. any thoughts?
Gary Woughter: At a later date, not shown in the video, I did add a braided copper wire. My system is with a 4" sewer pipe, and I connected them together, then went back and added a self tapping 1/4" screw to each side of the fittings. Then I went back and backed out the screw, looped the copper wire around the screw from screw to screw through the whole system, and then finished tightening the screw as I went along. Then plugged it into a grounding plug. And the screw actually protrudes into the duct work, thus removing any static from inside the pipe itself. Some people say you don't need a grounding wire. Some people say you don't need to use screws. I used both just in case. After all that was done, I went back and added aluminum tape on all the joints to seal it all up so I don't have any leaks. Well I hope that helps you out. Now my most current video shows my empty shop and house. Because I've packed it all up, and I'm moving from Florida to Michigan. So keep watching for new videos.
It will only help you get rid an annoying jolt. There's really no risk of fire from the static. ua-cam.com/video/WJ8NMYlhaLQ/v-deo.html
Maybe rename your channel The Brainy Woodworker ;) Lots of great info.
Well Thank you. That's one of the best comments so far.
what make and model blower motor do you have there? Thanks.
I'm not sure, I've had it for 6 yrs and it's mounted up in the ceiling.
Hi Dave,
I have a HF system using a pleated filter but I had considered direct venting. My concern is how much air I needed to pull from the outside, how did you handle the replacement air?
James Benenati: All intake air is pulled from the location, (i.e. Table saw, Bandsaw, Mitersaw, Drill Press or Planer) and all gates are closed, leaving only one open to give the maximum amount of air intake. And then of course it goes through the baffle, then the fan blades, and the fine particles are vented out. No other additional air is really needed. Now I know that there might be a few small air leaks, but fixing them would take more time and effort than the nominal improvement it would provide. Since doing this setup, I haven't had any problems. And Yes it's nice to not have to clean a filter or bag. If you have any more questions, please feel free to contact me.
Dave, I don't think I worded the question correctly. If you are blowing 1550 cubic feet of air per minute out of your building that creates vacuum, do you have open a window or door for the system to work ?
James Benenati: My apologies, my shop is in a 1.5 car garage and anytime I'm working, the double wide garage door is wide open allowing as much air flow into the shop as possible, so the suction from the dust collection gets as much air as it needs. I don't know your setup, but crack open a window in your shop, turn on your HFDC and feel if there is an inward draft. If there is, keep opening the window until you can't feel it anymore. That way there's an equalization of pressure. Sorry for the confusion. I hope that helps.
Dave, thanks for the explanation, my shop in the basement of fairly well sealed house in Canada. I think I could go the window route during the summertime but during the winter I think I would freeze.
with your specific case use a winn environmental 1 micron canister filter instead of the cloth bag filters.
1st video? You came across like an old pro.
Corvus E. Thanks. It my first production video. If you look at the others, they're all done in one take. This one has multiple takes and a voice over. So that's why it's my first video. And I'm a one man band so videoing and making at the same time, I tend to forget the video part. So Thank you for watching, liking and commenting on my video. Stay safe.
You did a great job on the video sir! I enjoyed watching it and learned a few things to boot! The voice-over is great because you can be clearly heard and understood. I have done a few videos and none compare to your quality work and, it is a lot of work. Thank you for posting!