instead of using demo session with all the stock plugins, can you do a more real world test? maybe test one of your mix/pruduction sessions with high CPU consumption plugins, and compare with the old M1 Max?
Yes will do a follow up with more testing and comparison. I think many who upgrade will be coming from intel or M1. the reason I used the demo session for these tests is to make sure everyone can test their own computers with the same project making the results comparable
Yeah exactly this, often DAW's use a single core for one signal path, which means that if you have a single track with a lot of cpu-heavy plugins, that will be the bottleneck. Therefore I'm wondering how many cpu-heavy plugins (for example Acustica Audio plugins, Izotope Ozone or plugins with oversampling enabled) it can handle on a single track.
Great content as always...I was waiting for your video to be honest...One question...Should I go for 24 or 48 GB of RAM? I usually have 30 to 40 tracks in my projects...Thanks in advance
I would say 24GB should be enough. Especially with the unified memory is faster on M4 than previous M series silicon. Plus the computer memory bandwidth is so fast you shouldn’t even notice a glitch if your computer taps into the shared memory. I do wish we had more options for unified memory on the pro tho.
just found your channe & subscribed! Great video! Id like to see a good comparison of vocal and instrumental delay that each Mac can handle before freezing tracks. Many times when you add a bunch of effects it can cause a slight midi delay. How well does the M4 compare to M1 and Intel? I know that there are settings to decrease the delay (can decrease playback quality too) (I/O buffer) But id like to see just raw Mac performance and how it handles it Thanks!
The test unit I got is Space Black. It’s a really nice color. I wouldn’t say it’s black though. More like a few shades darker than the Space Gray we are used to. You will however notice fingerprints more on the Space Black than silver. But personally the fingerprints dont both me and it’s easy to wipe off with the included cloth
Yes. It is quite dull. This is coming from an intel iMac with the nano textured screen. It's a lovely screen but it is a lot duller. The glossy screen does a reasonable job however of managing reflections all that said. Our studio is quite bright and the mac studio display is very competent in this room. The nano textured glass reduces the glare even more but I would say the standard screen is remarkably adept at doing the same thing. I was expecting a lot worse when we upgraded to the Mac Studio with the regular screen.
I would say the nano texture display doesn’t quite have the same boldness or pop of color the standard screen has. Anytime you go matte that is the trade off your making. I would recommend going into the Apple Store and see the two screens side by side before you buy. I used to not want nano texture but now that I tried it. I love it. Like I mentioned in the video it seems softer to look at and I think that’s because you don’t see reflections or all the fingerprints on the screen.
True nano texture reviews will come after 6 months of use. Matte finish is nice at first because it’s different but after a longer period of time you start to understand what you prefer more… visual quality or reduction of glare. . I’ve used several matte displays, can’t go back to them.
Oh wow that’s pretty good for the M1 Pro. I should have noted in the video that my buffer speed was set to 128 which is quite low to show the power of these CPU. In my next test video I will raise the buffer speed and test the difference there as well
It is easy to clean. The documentation included in the box actually explains the cleaning process. It says when cleaning the display you should only use the included polishing cloth and if there hard smudges you can use a 70% isopropyl alcohol solution. But not to spray the screen directly. I’m guessing they added that because the screen is a little more sensitive than the standard one but I wouldn’t be worried about that too much.
I like my MBP M1 Max 32GB 4TB storage and the difference isn't enough to make me want to upgrade. Plus I bought my MBP M1 Max refurbished so I saved quite a bit and a similar config of a M4 Pro or Max would be very expensive new.
It really isn't. Don't believe the mac hype. Intel and AMD are catching up or surpassing the M processors at this point. A mac mini is $1200 with decent ram and storage. The $600 is just a tease to upsell you. You can even run Bitwig on Linux now. Stop letting a company manipulate you and treat you like garbage. Just stop.
I have the M2 Max. Don’t really see it necessary for a new computer for a very very long time. These tests are so irrelevant and pushes consumerism at its core. 500 tracks vs 1000 tracks? Who cares. Commercial beats have less than 20 tracks. Someone is better off buying certified refurbished for many reasons of an “older” M2 or M3.
I agree with that too. I ran those tests as a tangible way to showcase the CPU’s performance as some sessions can get quite large. Maybe not by track count but by plugin and fx count. This just give an idea on how it can perform if you got 1000 tracks playing simultaneously. I’ve seen Logic score sessions for film get in the hundreds but then again not all tracks are playing something at the same time.
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instead of using demo session with all the stock plugins, can you do a more real world test? maybe test one of your mix/pruduction sessions with high CPU consumption plugins, and compare with the old M1 Max?
Yes will do a follow up with more testing and comparison. I think many who upgrade will be coming from intel or M1. the reason I used the demo session for these tests is to make sure everyone can test their own computers with the same project making the results comparable
@ great! Thx
Yeah exactly this, often DAW's use a single core for one signal path, which means that if you have a single track with a lot of cpu-heavy plugins, that will be the bottleneck. Therefore I'm wondering how many cpu-heavy plugins (for example Acustica Audio plugins, Izotope Ozone or plugins with oversampling enabled) it can handle on a single track.
Over a thousand tracks, wow! I am actually want to get exact same config you have in a couple of months to upgrade my M2 Air.
Great content as always...I was waiting for your video to be honest...One question...Should I go for 24 or 48 GB of RAM?
I usually have 30 to 40 tracks in my projects...Thanks in advance
I would say 24GB should be enough. Especially with the unified memory is faster on M4 than previous M series silicon. Plus the computer memory bandwidth is so fast you shouldn’t even notice a glitch if your computer taps into the shared memory. I do wish we had more options for unified memory on the pro tho.
just found your channe & subscribed! Great video!
Id like to see a good comparison of vocal and instrumental delay that each Mac can handle before freezing tracks.
Many times when you add a bunch of effects it can cause a slight midi delay. How well does the M4 compare to M1 and Intel? I know that there are settings to decrease the delay (can decrease playback quality too) (I/O buffer)
But id like to see just raw Mac performance and how it handles it
Thanks!
I hope logic is coming with another update
Did you get the black color? Space black or whatever it’s called? Do you enjoy it? I’m upgrading but I can’t decide on the color.
The test unit I got is Space Black. It’s a really nice color. I wouldn’t say it’s black though. More like a few shades darker than the Space Gray we are used to. You will however notice fingerprints more on the Space Black than silver. But personally the fingerprints dont both me and it’s easy to wipe off with the included cloth
Hey I was wondering if the Nano texture is also losing a bit of sharpness compared to the standard glass like on the studio display?
Yes. It is quite dull. This is coming from an intel iMac with the nano textured screen. It's a lovely screen but it is a lot duller. The glossy screen does a reasonable job however of managing reflections all that said. Our studio is quite bright and the mac studio display is very competent in this room. The nano textured glass reduces the glare even more but I would say the standard screen is remarkably adept at doing the same thing. I was expecting a lot worse when we upgraded to the Mac Studio with the regular screen.
I would say the nano texture display doesn’t quite have the same boldness or pop of color the standard screen has. Anytime you go matte that is the trade off your making. I would recommend going into the Apple Store and see the two screens side by side before you buy. I used to not want nano texture but now that I tried it. I love it. Like I mentioned in the video it seems softer to look at and I think that’s because you don’t see reflections or all the fingerprints on the screen.
True nano texture reviews will come after 6 months of use. Matte finish is nice at first because it’s different but after a longer period of time you start to understand what you prefer more… visual quality or reduction of glare. .
I’ve used several matte displays, can’t go back to them.
My 8 core M1 pro with 16gb handled around 650 tracks.I will upgrade to a 14 core m4 pro with 48gb RAM
Oh wow that’s pretty good for the M1 Pro. I should have noted in the video that my buffer speed was set to 128 which is quite low to show the power of these CPU. In my next test video I will raise the buffer speed and test the difference there as well
@@imamusicmogul ah got you. Wondered how my m1 pro handled more than your m1 max. Will test it with 128 again
Give it another test when you have the time especially if you had your buffer set to the highest settings
Question about the nano-texture: if/when you do happen to get fingerprint smudges on it, is it easy to clean? Thanks.
It is easy to clean. The documentation included in the box actually explains the cleaning process. It says when cleaning the display you should only use the included polishing cloth and if there hard smudges you can use a 70% isopropyl alcohol solution. But not to spray the screen directly. I’m guessing they added that because the screen is a little more sensitive than the standard one but I wouldn’t be worried about that too much.
Cool...exact same specs I ordered.
I like my MBP M1 Max 32GB 4TB storage and the difference isn't enough to make me want to upgrade. Plus I bought my MBP M1 Max refurbished so I saved quite a bit and a similar config of a M4 Pro or Max would be very expensive new.
2:42 Nice shot on Ableton Move! I’d love to see a way to integrate it into a Logic Pro workflow
Good catch and will do! The Move is so fun and inspiring fr
I thought it wasn’t getting released until next week 😮
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M4 is overkill. M1 is good. Not worth the upgrade
Apple really came out really strong with the M1 silicon. I am still blown away by M1 to be honest
It really isn't. Don't believe the mac hype. Intel and AMD are catching up or surpassing the M processors at this point. A mac mini is $1200 with decent ram and storage. The $600 is just a tease to upsell you. You can even run Bitwig on Linux now. Stop letting a company manipulate you and treat you like garbage. Just stop.
I have the M2 Max. Don’t really see it necessary for a new computer for a very very long time. These tests are so irrelevant and pushes consumerism at its core. 500 tracks vs 1000 tracks? Who cares. Commercial beats have less than 20 tracks. Someone is better off buying certified refurbished for many reasons of an “older” M2 or M3.
I agree with that too. I ran those tests as a tangible way to showcase the CPU’s performance as some sessions can get quite large. Maybe not by track count but by plugin and fx count. This just give an idea on how it can perform if you got 1000 tracks playing simultaneously. I’ve seen Logic score sessions for film get in the hundreds but then again not all tracks are playing something at the same time.
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