As a Wichita resident, I have to say, that even though the mall is dead, it's very much worth a stop into. Go to OZ, that little card store, it's really neat inside and they have a lot of cool vintage stuff. The Vintage Stock store also has some neat stuff. All of the employees are really kind in every store. Also, the movie theater has really cheap food and tickets, and it's almost always empty, so it's a nice way to watch a movie.
Oz is an awesome shop! Ramiro the owner is such a genuine guy, he gives the best deals for pokemon in all of wichita! 10/10 recommend to anyone to check it out
As a dead mall enthusiast for several years, I gotta say I really enjoy seeing the unique hobbyist stores in this place. Typically, the only opportunity local hobbyists ever get to have a store is when there are dying malls like this and the rent finally becomes affordable. But many dead malls have management that doesn’t know how (or desire) to connect with hobbyists and they just wind up with junky nail salons, sneaker resellers and flea market type vendors with homemade sale signs before they finally shut down and rot away. Much respect to these mall vendors in the video, these stores all look very interesting and well taken care of! This is the type of mall I would love to open a pinball arcade, but unfortunately my two local malls don’t want that. Great video!
@@TravelwithaWiseguy I just looked at the mall webpage and this is a Kohan owned property. Unfortunately that’s not a good sign. I wish good for the tenants of this mall, but Kohan has a well documented record that does not typically trend into good things…. Just my opinion, but you will see multiple posts and videos offering similar opinions about this owner. Sad.
they need to tear out most of its inside and turn it into and indoor cart track that rivals other indoor tracks. make a couple different courses. and have one that is a two tier track with bridge. leave the theater in and remodel open the food court area back up. and put the old arcade back in that used to be there. but cherry ontop is now that the casino went in out of town you could try and get a section also open to betting. mayb even have a horse race setup but for the cart races where you can bet on car #'s with a random driver draw so no one can cheat the system. its only after the race is over that the driver knows what # he was racing for.
I feel strongly I don't leave post and comments much. I was born in 1977 in Wichita Kansas and I am very familiar with Towne West Mall when it was busy and a bustling business. It does break my heart to see t mall in its current state. When I was younger it was not too uncommon to find me at Aladdin's Castle or watching a movie at the movie theater. I don't know how my Wichita Piers feel. I would love to see you tomorrow West come back again 💗. But I do understand economically why is it so difficult to do that. But it bears saying Towne West Mall will always have a special place in my heart
I use to take my kids to town West but now it a ghost mall just and the guy refused to pay his taxes and pay his utilities ! That's just a shame on him!
The owner doesn't want it . He is in default at the bank . Basically he is telling the city if they want it take it. He probably is smart enough to legally separate himself from it if it is just one owner. More likely it's a type of co-op . These things litter the American landscape. Personally, I don't think there are nearly as many Americans in the USA as we are publicly told. I traveled all over the lower 48 states for 32 years. Even if I squint real hard there simply are not 350 million people in the USA. It's probably well under a 100 million people. Our nation is being ghosted by its own citizens. Welcome to New Zombiemerica'.
@wackadoodle12 The owner, Kohan Retail Investment Group, is pulling this "collect the rent, but don't pay the utilities, taxes or maintenance" crap at several malls they own all over the country. They're vulture capitalists. Look up Tulsa Promenade for an example.
I’ve been to the town East mall. My grandparents lived at Pawnee & Hillside. I grew up going to Joyland when I was in town to see them. My Aunt & Uncle had a flower shop at Harry & Clifton streets called Harry Clifton Flowers. They bought the old Cloud 9 strip club and turned it in to a flower shop. My cousin has the old neon sign for Cloud 9.
New Market Square was the beginning of the end of Towne West. The owner needs to relinquish ownership and let a different, more responsible group take control of it. So sad, because this wasn't a bad mall to go to back in the day.
I looked up the current owner. What is happening at Towne East is a pattern for the guy who owns it and other malls across the country. Sad to see it close unless there's some kind of intervention.
id actually say new market wasn't the beginning but the final nail in the coffin. town west was already dying by that time. infact by 2005 town west was all but done for, it was just a matter of trying to hold out as long as it could.
I haven't been back home in like 15 years. Back around that time, Towne East felt like a dying mall. Wild to see that it's thriving. I also used to work at Towne West when I went to Kapaun, and it was considered the greater of two malls at that time. It was bigger and livelier than Towne East at that time. Crazy how things have changed so much since I've been gone.
Thank you for making this video. As a “west sider”Towne west will always be close to my heart. Growing up with many b-day parties at the McDonald’s..had an indoor play area with real wood chips that I can still smell to this day lol. There was a Chick-fil-A as well during the early 80s. I could ramble on but you get the gist.
Thanks for sharing, this is absolutely heartbreaking. We were raised with this mall, spent our teenage years hanging out with friends and raised my daughter frequently visiting there too. Soo many precious memories.. makes me so sad. I have tons of memories of this place.. this was such a happening place! It's sad to see it this way..
Great memories at this mall. Grew up in Wichita and worked at this mall part time and even hung out with my high school friends. It was the place to be! Miss Wichita…
As someone who grew up on the West Side, I cherish the countless memories I have of seeing Santa riding the train, playing by the water fountain in the center, and enjoying the bustling food court. While I hold onto these memories dearly, there's a part of me that longs to experience it all over again.
I have been to Town West numerous times! It is sad to see how much the mall has deteriorated over the years! You are right, it’s a strange feeling walking around that dead mall! Great video!
I graduated from Northwest in 2000, so I spent my childhood and teenage years visiting Towne West during its heyday. I'd heard about the issues with power and water, but had no idea things had gotten so bad. It was actually really depressing to see this. Just another part of my childhood disappearing... Still, thanks for sharing this! I might have to go visit before it inevitably gets shut down for good.
I grew up in NW Wichita, and this brought back SO many memories. I remember when Towne West opened - the thing for many of us little elementary-school girls to do was "hang out" there on Saturdays. My friends got to go pretty much every weekend, but my sister and I didn't because Mom didn't believe children that age should be dropped at the mall to wander aimlessly for hours. We were angry at the time, but if I'd had kids I probably would have done the same thing - and, when we were allowed to go, it was a real treat. Great memories of watching "Rocky Horror Picture Show" in that theater (NOT in grade school)! My first job was at a clothing store in that mall. The whole place was always so BUSY, parking was a nightmare. Surreal to see it as it is now, this pristine, deserted little indoor city. So nice that we got your lovely drone shots in this video, they provided interesting contrast between the two malls. This was such a GREAT idea for a video!
Interesting to see how things have changed within our lifetimes - I didn’t move to Wichita until 2006 but even since then the changes have been significant- mostly positive.
@@TravelwithaWiseguy I completely agree. I'm hard-pressed to think of any significant changes that haven't made this an even better place to live and work.
Used to go to both those malls when I grew up in Kansas. Mostly went to Town West as it was on the side closest to Hutchinson and right off the freeway.
It’s so sad, I was at Towne West yesterday. It breaks my heart. I worked in all the malls in Wichita back in the 70’s and 80’s. I worked for a shoe store chain. I helped open the store at Towne West and transferred there from Towne East. Working in malls back then was fun. We all were kind of family, especially in the 70’s. The JC Penney store was a nice surprise. Clean, well displayed, lots of stock and friendly employees. It felt like I was the only person in the store so shopping was quite pleasant. 😊
Your first shot said it all. The look at that nearly empty parking lot with the blacktop surface decomposing and full of holes and long cracks. On the inside, I was impressed by how well kept and clean it seemed to be. Other dying malls I have been at have had dirty areas where a leak hasstained the floor and fell ceiling tile. And dark ares where several lights are out and haven't been replaced. Our lival mall had reached thar point, and eventually led to the board of public safety shutting it down. It since had sold to a developer. Mist of rhe mall was torn down except a section that was in good shape. That is being made into a large workout shop, as well as other small shops. And the cleared area has an apartment complex being built. The movie theater was in another building with other small shops, and it is being rejuvenated with the theater open now, and a family style diner soon to open. We have lits of hiusing out here, but have had to run across town to shop for years now. This could be a rather good. Hange for us. It was a rather good look at the changes happening in our Midwest. It is the same thing as our small communities have been through, just mire recent historically. Very interesting. And I would not of had the foresight to of even seen this as a worthy video to make. Way to go, Wise guy!
I grew up my whole life in Wichita but have been stationed in California for 5 years. Every time I go home on leave I always stop at town west to see what’s left. It’s a tradition that reminds me of home
This will date me but my favorite mall in Wichita was Twin Lakes at 21st and Amidon. It was not all under one roof but was easy to walk from place to place. It sat on a small pre-existing lake where bald eagles still come to roost on their migratory trips. When the enormous malls became popular people were pulled away from the smaller, more personal malls. In my humble opinion when the original Twin Lakes "died", the community around it began to deteriorate.
I remember a couple of years ago when I stopped by the Vintage Stock here to see if they had an issue of a comic they’d run out of at the usual comic book shop I use. The phrase “liminal space” gets thrown around a lot online these days, but this was my first real experience with one. When I was a kid I went to this mall fairly often with my parents and it was always busy, so to see it turned into an empty husk of its old self (without having heard anything about the miserable condition it was in before I entered) was pretty jarring. It’s kind of sad and a little eerie to walk through a place you’d only ever seen full of people when it’s almost completely empty. I walked halfway across the mall to get to the store I was going to and on the way there and back I only ever saw maybe three or four other customers. Very bizarre experience.
My fiancee and I swing by to get popcorn at the movie theater there and occasionally use it as a place to walk around indoors in poor weather. Lots of pokestops around that area, too.
I’m a resident of Wichita too. And I remember going there with my family. It’s sad to see it like this. It used to be so busy. Online shopping killed a lot of things and I don’t think a lot of places recovered from Covid
I was in High School when Towne East opened, and going there was an event! I still have paperbacks I bought at the bookstores! Town West opened when I went to College (Newman University) just down the highway and I rode my bike (didn't have a car yet!) to TW to scope out books and records and issues of "Rod Serling's Twilight Zone Magazine." In the late 80s I worked in a store at Towne East and met my best friend there and 30-some years later we are still best friends! I'll always have a soft spot for that damn mall for that!
I grew up in Wichita and Towne West used to be one of my favorite places to go and it's sad to see how much it's changed, but now that I'm back I'd love to visit it as I love exploring dead malls and such :D
We used to wrap Christmas gifts at Towne West from Thanksgiving til Christmas for customers. It was a busy mall back then. Made some pretty good money for our church youth group to help with youth trips. Its hard to believe how empty it is now.
I drive by Towne West every day. So sad that this one got picked up by a known mall killer & the other got picked up by Simon. Thank you for documenting this!
I believe a lot malls across the country are losing people coming through. In my area se Missouri the mall has really lost a lot of stores. Jc penny, old navy and Barnes and noble are about all that is left. Barnes seems to do well. Thanks for sharing.
I remember 6-7 years ago when I was in high school, my friends and I go to the West Mall every weekend to shop or watch movies there and it was so busy.
That was a great mall when it was still alive and kicking. Very nice place to go every morning for a nice walk, especially in the winter when it's nasty outside.
As we in the area might remember...there were some lean years over at Towne East, too...but never as bad as Towne West has been. It did used to be a pretty cool place
Let me begin by saying I love all your work. And I know it doesn't fit your channel 's theme, but I loved you taking the time to visit Wichita's dying mall. I've been to both malls in town and definitely note the wide differences between the east and west sides of Wichita. I'd really love seeing your channel continue this topic. There are so many struggling malls between KS, NE and OK that haven't been filmed much. Hutchison comes to mind, and Salina. But there's so much else out there.
I used to work in a decor shop where the mini-golf place is now when I was expecting my son and shortly after he was born. The trajectory the mall has taken since blows my mind.
Lots of good memories in that mall. I worked as the projectionist at the movie machine from 2005-2008, still one of my favorite jobs just sitting up in the projection booth. This was also in the days before digital projectors so a lot of memories splicing film reels together. There was a place in the food court called Greek Plus. I went there everyday that I worked and ordered the same thing to the point that the guy that worked there would just ask "the usual?" when I walked up.
I used to live on the West side in 1978-1979. This used to be the drive in movie theater. We went there in the 1970's when I vacationed here. I moved away in October 1979. I never experienced Towne West. I used to frequent Towne East. It's nice to see Towne East is still alive. Back in the day Towne West was a great place to go according to my family. I live in PA. We had the third largest Mall in the world here. It is in my neighborhood. We have been here 20 years. Stores started closing about 2017. They have begun demolition in the past month. The owners didn't pay their bills or maintain the property. The parking lot was totally dilapidated. This is sad. Many memories in these malls.
You could run cross country run indoors there John on a snowy day. Those wheels gave me flash backs to the 60's, psychedelic, peace love and keep the baby faith
When I was in high school from 2002-2006 the west mall was where it’s at. We always went there because it was something to do. I went a few years ago and there was nothing there. Crazy how much it changed!
I love this mall. It is great to walk in. It makes me so sad that it has gone this downhill. Every store owner is amazing and I wish things would look up
I've shopped both malls, as well as the former White Lakes Mall in Wichita and the wonderful department store, Henry's. Shopping downtown Wichita used to be grand, but that's changed too. Unfortunately, those days are gone. Thanks for the interesting video, Coach.
I remember Henry's - loved that store. It seems that the one at (White? Twin?) Lakes had a circular staircase situated around a fountain - was that right?
@@antoniomccoy9451 well that i am. Sears was at George Washington Boulevard and Lincoln, south side of street the building is still there. and many stores downtown.
when we first visited wichita, we went to towne west first. walked in, looked around while we stood in the food court, went right back out after a minute or two and found our way to towne east. towne east is the best one lol
I grew up in Wichita. Towne West was built long after I had left (which was in 1972). The first mall in town, to the best of my memory was called The Mall. I think it was over on East Harry. The building is still there, I think, but The Mall is long gone.
Towne West holds so many memories for me. Such a nostalgic place despite going like twice a year. The most I remember about it is the smell I can't identify in it that I haven't smelled elsewhere that is super nostalgic
I grew up in witchita, Everyone in my familly called both malls Town-e East and Town-e West. I perosnally have fond memories of Towne West, It was the mall I got some of my first santa pics at as well as wnet to every christmas
Lived at 935 Crestline Dr. in Westlink. Left for Tulsa in 79. Work deal... Lotsa great friends in Wichita from the 60's and 70's. After KU did Grad work at WU...those were the days
The mall in Salina is in a similar condition. Only one place in the food court, lots of space available, and not many quality anchor stores. They took the fountain and pool out years ago, and a few years ago got rid of all the fish and shut down the aquarium.
i live down the street and untill recently high voltage garage was the spot at the mall to go to, they have since moved to a more stable location on central
Interesting video. The mall in my hometown went out in the late 80’s. It was a nice mall with many types of shops in its day. I miss it. 😔 Thanks for sharing
Towne West Square when I was a kid in the 90s was always busy. Not a vacancy to be seen and especially during the holidays, it was such a fun place to go because of how busy it was. My childhood and teenage years were there almost every weekend just hanging out with family and friends enjoying the old Sbarro's and I really liked visiting Electronics Boutique, Third Planet, and B Dalton books. Many of my family's shoes were purchased at the Payless there and we shopped at the Montgomery Ward and Sears quite often. After I graduated high school in 2007, it just stopped being the place to go. It would be years between visits. I can count on one hand how many times I have been to Towne West in the past 10 years. Anymore it just became a place to go to see how dead it had become.
i’ve lived in wichita most of life, born in very early 2000s and never once stepped foot into the west mall. growing up it was always called a “dead or ghost” mall. even in the early 2000s if i can recall correctly, there wasnt much in the mall.
i remember begin in wichita kansas in 2013 when i was in fostercare and i went to the towne east mall a couple of times and remember it begin really cool didnt know they had a towne west
This is my mall. We went a few weeks ago and it is sad how empty it has become. The last time walking it was 2ish years ago, even then it was a bit of a ghost mall just not as much as now. One place we however frequent is Boulevard Theaters. Great prices and even a self-serve snack bar. I highly recommend it.
So sad! Personally, I'd like to see downtown stores again with 3 or 4 levels. The beautiful windows decorated by professionals for various holidays. I really miss that where I live. I have awesome memories of going downtown with my family.
I remember going to the Vintage Stock in Towne East and getting a copy of Dead Rising for the Xbox 360, then I heard about Towne West declining. Really cemented my fear and morbid fascination of malls like this. It’s so surreal seeing it abandoned
I've lived south of wichita all my life, and all I remember about towne west is driving past it on I-235 to the Imax or sedgwick county zoo lol. so weird seeing the inside of something I lived so close to but never entered.
I used to go to towne west almost every couple weeks with my parents and for some school trips and i can remeber some stores closing down but i havent walked around there recently only to watch some movies but i just felt so sad watching this because this mall was my childhood :(
It's always been in a terrible location! Yes it's located near major highway but there's never been direct route to get from said highway to the mall. When I moved here in 1990 I was mind blown at how you had to squirrel around through different roads to get to the mall from the major highways. Town East is located on the corner of two major highways with the direct exit.
I lived a 10 min walk from town west, growing up I used to go to town west all the time, mr. Bulkys the candy store was a fav of mine, hot topic was another, it's sad that town west has gone from a thriving mall to a ghost town
Two years ago, I stopped at the Primm (NV) Outlet Mall, and it was every bit this desolate. The a/c was on, and the bathrooms open and clean. There's a tetonic change in retail in the United States, failing malls are a tell to this change. As always...
God, I remember going to Towne West so often. Sad to see it like this.
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We used to get dropped off at the mall in 1980 as high school students. It was a real treat
The east won against the west in the great war of Wichita.
@@gh2687which one because towne west was built in 1981 🤨
I remember going to see frozen and Zootopia there
As a Wichita resident, I have to say, that even though the mall is dead, it's very much worth a stop into. Go to OZ, that little card store, it's really neat inside and they have a lot of cool vintage stuff. The Vintage Stock store also has some neat stuff. All of the employees are really kind in every store. Also, the movie theater has really cheap food and tickets, and it's almost always empty, so it's a nice way to watch a movie.
I agree. I’ll be back!
The theater closed down.
@@SaintZombie1 Lol no it didn't, I just bought tickets to go see the new bad boys movie
Oz is an awesome shop! Ramiro the owner is such a genuine guy, he gives the best deals for pokemon in all of wichita! 10/10 recommend to anyone to check it out
Any vintage Star Trek stuff noticed?? 😊
As a dead mall enthusiast for several years, I gotta say I really enjoy seeing the unique hobbyist stores in this place. Typically, the only opportunity local hobbyists ever get to have a store is when there are dying malls like this and the rent finally becomes affordable. But many dead malls have management that doesn’t know how (or desire) to connect with hobbyists and they just wind up with junky nail salons, sneaker resellers and flea market type vendors with homemade sale signs before they finally shut down and rot away.
Much respect to these mall vendors in the video, these stores all look very interesting and well taken care of!
This is the type of mall I would love to open a pinball arcade, but unfortunately my two local malls don’t want that.
Great video!
It’s certainly a fascinating place to walk around and explore. It will be interesting to see what happens in the years to come!
@@TravelwithaWiseguy I just looked at the mall webpage and this is a Kohan owned property. Unfortunately that’s not a good sign. I wish good for the tenants of this mall, but Kohan has a well documented record that does not typically trend into good things…. Just my opinion, but you will see multiple posts and videos offering similar opinions about this owner. Sad.
they need to tear out most of its inside and turn it into and indoor cart track that rivals other indoor tracks. make a couple different courses. and have one that is a two tier track with bridge.
leave the theater in and remodel open the food court area back up. and put the old arcade back in that used to be there.
but cherry ontop is now that the casino went in out of town you could try and get a section also open to betting. mayb even have a horse race setup but for the cart races where you can bet on car #'s with a random driver draw so no one can cheat the system. its only after the race is over that the driver knows what # he was racing for.
I feel strongly I don't leave post and comments much. I was born in 1977 in Wichita Kansas and I am very familiar with Towne West Mall when it was busy and a bustling business. It does break my heart to see t mall in its current state. When I was younger it was not too uncommon to find me at Aladdin's Castle or watching a movie at the movie theater. I don't know how my Wichita Piers feel. I would love to see you tomorrow West come back again 💗. But I do understand economically why is it so difficult to do that. But it bears saying Towne West Mall will always have a special place in my heart
Thanks for your comment!
That karaoke reminds me of a Mexican flea market in a tunnel.
Hell yeah to the ladies doing Mexican karaoke, good on them for having fun while waiting in the salon.
I use to take my kids to town West but now it a ghost mall just and the guy refused to pay his taxes and pay his utilities ! That's just a shame on him!
The owner doesn't want it . He is in default at the bank . Basically he is telling the city if they want it take it. He probably is smart enough to legally separate himself from it if it is just one owner. More likely it's a type of co-op .
These things litter the American landscape.
Personally, I don't think there are nearly as many Americans in the USA as we are publicly told. I traveled all over the lower 48 states for 32 years. Even if I squint real hard there simply are not 350 million people in the USA. It's probably well under a 100 million people.
Our nation is being ghosted by its own citizens.
Welcome to New Zombiemerica'.
Yeah. I have only counted 13,213 people in the US. And they're all at adult bookstores...
@wackadoodle12 The owner, Kohan Retail Investment Group, is pulling this "collect the rent, but don't pay the utilities, taxes or maintenance" crap at several malls they own all over the country. They're vulture capitalists. Look up Tulsa Promenade for an example.
It’s actually a big company that bought it out and is known for this across the country. They have a lawsuit for it
I’ve been to the town East mall. My grandparents lived at Pawnee & Hillside. I grew up going to Joyland when I was in town to see them. My Aunt & Uncle had a flower shop at Harry & Clifton streets called Harry Clifton Flowers. They bought the old Cloud 9 strip club and turned it in to a flower shop. My cousin has the old neon sign for Cloud 9.
New Market Square was the beginning of the end of Towne West. The owner needs to relinquish ownership and let a different, more responsible group take control of it. So sad, because this wasn't a bad mall to go to back in the day.
I looked up the current owner. What is happening at Towne East is a pattern for the guy who owns it and other malls across the country. Sad to see it close unless there's some kind of intervention.
I was just about to comment on New Market Square. You beat me to it.
At this point it just needs to be bull dozed.
Or turned into a party district
Actually it was the 4 year closure of kellogg and west, that was only supposed to be closed 1 year
id actually say new market wasn't the beginning but the final nail in the coffin. town west was already dying by that time. infact by 2005 town west was all but done for, it was just a matter of trying to hold out as long as it could.
@@kristiparry2383 yea that certainly didnt help. but even before they started that project town west was well on its way out the door
And those cars at West are probably 90% belonging to the employees there. Would be a great place to film movies, especially a Dawn of the Dead type.
I haven't been back home in like 15 years. Back around that time, Towne East felt like a dying mall. Wild to see that it's thriving. I also used to work at Towne West when I went to Kapaun, and it was considered the greater of two malls at that time. It was bigger and livelier than Towne East at that time. Crazy how things have changed so much since I've been gone.
Ghost mall? I enjoyed this video. It’s a sad story. But you did a great job. Thanks.
Yes basically! Felt like a ghost town of sorts.
Wow I live in Wichita it’s so cool my town is on UA-cam ❤
Woohoo 🙌🏼
Thank you for making this video. As a “west sider”Towne west will always be close to my heart. Growing up with many b-day parties at the McDonald’s..had an indoor play area with real wood chips that I can still smell to this day lol. There was a Chick-fil-A as well during the early 80s. I could ramble on but you get the gist.
Thanks for sharing, this is absolutely heartbreaking. We were raised with this mall, spent our teenage years hanging out with friends and raised my daughter frequently visiting there too. Soo many precious memories.. makes me so sad. I have tons of memories of this place.. this was such a happening place! It's sad to see it this way..
You took the birthright of your progeny and fave it to the cleaners and gardeners to get virtue points from your igly fat friends
Great memories at this mall. Grew up in Wichita and worked at this mall part time and even hung out with my high school friends. It was the place to be!
Miss Wichita…
As someone who grew up on the West Side, I cherish the countless memories I have of seeing Santa riding the train, playing by the water fountain in the center, and enjoying the bustling food court. While I hold onto these memories dearly, there's a part of me that longs to experience it all over again.
went through a year or 2 ago to count the open vs closed stores and closed won by about 10 stores
I have been to Town West numerous times! It is sad to see how much the mall has deteriorated over the years! You are right, it’s a strange feeling walking around that dead mall! Great video!
Thank you! Very sad indeed.
I graduated from Northwest in 2000, so I spent my childhood and teenage years visiting Towne West during its heyday. I'd heard about the issues with power and water, but had no idea things had gotten so bad. It was actually really depressing to see this. Just another part of my childhood disappearing... Still, thanks for sharing this! I might have to go visit before it inevitably gets shut down for good.
I like the comparison between the still successful mall and the last one. It says everything. Thanks!
The drone shots of the parking lots told a lot about that comparison!
@@TravelwithaWiseguy Yes, they did.
The old oil money has always been on the east side.
I grew up in NW Wichita, and this brought back SO many memories. I remember when Towne West opened - the thing for many of us little elementary-school girls to do was "hang out" there on Saturdays. My friends got to go pretty much every weekend, but my sister and I didn't because Mom didn't believe children that age should be dropped at the mall to wander aimlessly for hours. We were angry at the time, but if I'd had kids I probably would have done the same thing - and, when we were allowed to go, it was a real treat. Great memories of watching "Rocky Horror Picture Show" in that theater (NOT in grade school)! My first job was at a clothing store in that mall. The whole place was always so BUSY, parking was a nightmare. Surreal to see it as it is now, this pristine, deserted little indoor city. So nice that we got your lovely drone shots in this video, they provided interesting contrast between the two malls. This was such a GREAT idea for a video!
Interesting to see how things have changed within our lifetimes - I didn’t move to Wichita until 2006 but even since then the changes have been significant- mostly positive.
@@TravelwithaWiseguy I completely agree. I'm hard-pressed to think of any significant changes that haven't made this an even better place to live and work.
NW Wichita isnt the same as the rest of this shithole
Used to go to both those malls when I grew up in Kansas. Mostly went to Town West as it was on the side closest to Hutchinson and right off the freeway.
Hutch Mall is this way on the inside (but a lot of businesses facing outwards). Cheers from a moved back Hutch kid.
It’s so sad, I was at Towne West yesterday. It breaks my heart. I worked in all the malls in Wichita back in the 70’s and 80’s. I worked for a shoe store chain. I helped open the store at Towne West and transferred there from Towne East. Working in malls back then was fun. We all were kind of family, especially in the 70’s.
The JC Penney store was a nice surprise. Clean, well displayed, lots of stock and friendly employees. It felt like I was the only person in the store so shopping was quite pleasant. 😊
Your first shot said it all. The look at that nearly empty parking lot with the blacktop surface decomposing and full of holes and long cracks. On the inside, I was impressed by how well kept and clean it seemed to be. Other dying malls I have been at have had dirty areas where a leak hasstained the floor and fell ceiling tile. And dark ares where several lights are out and haven't been replaced. Our lival mall had reached thar point, and eventually led to the board of public safety shutting it down. It since had sold to a developer. Mist of rhe mall was torn down except a section that was in good shape. That is being made into a large workout shop, as well as other small shops. And the cleared area has an apartment complex being built. The movie theater was in another building with other small shops, and it is being rejuvenated with the theater open now, and a family style diner soon to open.
We have lits of hiusing out here, but have had to run across town to shop for years now. This could be a rather good. Hange for us.
It was a rather good look at the changes happening in our Midwest. It is the same thing as our small communities have been through, just mire recent historically. Very interesting. And I would not of had the foresight to of even seen this as a worthy video to make. Way to go, Wise guy!
Thanks! When I went there for a movie earlier this year, I walked around late at night and it was really dead. That gave me the idea for the video :)
I grew up my whole life in Wichita but have been stationed in California for 5 years. Every time I go home on leave I always stop at town west to see what’s left. It’s a tradition that reminds me of home
IT IS THE LESSER! As someone who used to work at the East mall, we’d almost always talk about how that mall is slowly dying
@5:55 that space in the back used to be an arcade. I played Dance Dance Revolution there a bunch of times!
I remember taking my Daughter and friends out to mall every weekend. Shopping and a movie. 🎶
THE MINIGOLF AND THE TRAMPOLINES ARE SO NOSTALGIC
I..THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA DANCE 🕺 WHEN THE LADY WAS SINGING 😅😅😅
Hahaha I didn’t want people to immediately turn off the video
So sad to see Towne West like this. It was my "go to" mall for so long. It was very convenient for us west siders...
This will date me but my favorite mall in Wichita was Twin Lakes at 21st and Amidon. It was not all under one roof but was easy to walk from place to place. It sat on a small pre-existing lake where bald eagles still come to roost on their migratory trips. When the enormous malls became popular people were pulled away from the smaller, more personal malls. In my humble opinion when the original Twin Lakes "died", the community around it began to deteriorate.
I remember a couple of years ago when I stopped by the Vintage Stock here to see if they had an issue of a comic they’d run out of at the usual comic book shop I use. The phrase “liminal space” gets thrown around a lot online these days, but this was my first real experience with one. When I was a kid I went to this mall fairly often with my parents and it was always busy, so to see it turned into an empty husk of its old self (without having heard anything about the miserable condition it was in before I entered) was pretty jarring. It’s kind of sad and a little eerie to walk through a place you’d only ever seen full of people when it’s almost completely empty. I walked halfway across the mall to get to the store I was going to and on the way there and back I only ever saw maybe three or four other customers. Very bizarre experience.
This was the kick it spot in the early 00s for me. Practically lived there
My fiancee and I swing by to get popcorn at the movie theater there and occasionally use it as a place to walk around indoors in poor weather. Lots of pokestops around that area, too.
I’m a resident of Wichita too. And I remember going there with my family. It’s sad to see it like this. It used to be so busy. Online shopping killed a lot of things and I don’t think a lot of places recovered from Covid
I was in High School when Towne East opened, and going there was an event! I still have paperbacks I bought at the bookstores! Town West opened when I went to College (Newman University) just down the highway and I rode my bike (didn't have a car yet!) to TW to scope out books and records and issues of "Rod Serling's Twilight Zone Magazine." In the late 80s I worked in a store at Towne East and met my best friend there and 30-some years later we are still best friends! I'll always have a soft spot for that damn mall for that!
Turn it into a paintball arena and keep the food courts.
Woah! That’s bonkers! Never thought I’d ever see town west so empty. I can smell the 90’s food court. Even remember the mirrors in Saboros
I grew up in Wichita and Towne West used to be one of my favorite places to go and it's sad to see how much it's changed, but now that I'm back I'd love to visit it as I love exploring dead malls and such :D
We used to wrap Christmas gifts at Towne West from Thanksgiving til Christmas for customers. It was a busy mall back then. Made some pretty good money for our church youth group to help with youth trips. Its hard to believe how empty it is now.
I drive by Towne West every day. So sad that this one got picked up by a known mall killer & the other got picked up by Simon. Thank you for documenting this!
I believe a lot malls across the country are losing people coming through. In my area se Missouri the mall has really lost a lot of stores. Jc penny, old navy and Barnes and noble are about all that is left. Barnes seems to do well. Thanks for sharing.
That looks so fun to go to! I’m only in middle school but it has a vintage stock and a hot topic and so I wanna go!! And I live so close to ittttt
Grew up in West Wichita and went shopping at Towne West so much growing up. CRAZY to see it like this!
I remember 6-7 years ago when I was in high school, my friends and I go to the West Mall every weekend to shop or watch movies there and it was so busy.
i remember last time i went to towne west i went to the candy store after begging and begging my mom to let me go. now it's not even there anymore.
I went to this exact mall quite a bit when I was a kid, so many nostalgic memories.
That was a great mall when it was still alive and kicking. Very nice place to go every morning for a nice walk, especially in the winter when it's nasty outside.
As we in the area might remember...there were some lean years over at Towne East, too...but never as bad as Towne West has been.
It did used to be a pretty cool place
Let me begin by saying I love all your work. And I know it doesn't fit your channel 's theme, but I loved you taking the time to visit Wichita's dying mall. I've been to both malls in town and definitely note the wide differences between the east and west sides of Wichita.
I'd really love seeing your channel continue this topic. There are so many struggling malls between KS, NE and OK that haven't been filmed much. Hutchison comes to mind, and Salina. But there's so much else out there.
Thank you very much! I wouldn’t mind doing another one in another town like this.
I just moved to Wichita about 3 weeks ago from out of state
Kinda excited to go see the niche stores now :0
Welcome to Wichita!
Oh, thanks for the music!
One of my buddies, Terry Jones worked in the Towne West bookstore in 1981. He's been gone for thirty years!
That mall was my childhood 😢 I loved it so much.
I used to work in a decor shop where the mini-golf place is now when I was expecting my son and shortly after he was born. The trajectory the mall has taken since blows my mind.
Lots of good memories in that mall. I worked as the projectionist at the movie machine from 2005-2008, still one of my favorite jobs just sitting up in the projection booth. This was also in the days before digital projectors so a lot of memories splicing film reels together. There was a place in the food court called Greek Plus. I went there everyday that I worked and ordered the same thing to the point that the guy that worked there would just ask "the usual?" when I walked up.
My dad liked to take me to the old movie theater. Or stop by after the zoo. This is churning up a lot of memories from my childhood.
It use to be very busy. There were times it was hard to find parking. I've had to park in the far North west lot next to Maple Street back in the day.
its nice to see content so local
The West mall was my favorite place to go as a kid. It makes me so sad to see it in this state, but I still love going to the Vintage Stock there!
I used to live on the West side in 1978-1979. This used to be the drive in movie theater. We went there in the 1970's when I vacationed here. I moved away in October 1979. I never experienced Towne West. I used to frequent Towne East. It's nice to see Towne East is still alive. Back in the day Towne West was a great place to go according to my family. I live in PA. We had the third largest Mall in the world here. It is in my neighborhood. We have been here 20 years. Stores started closing about 2017. They have begun demolition in the past month. The owners didn't pay their bills or maintain the property. The parking lot was totally dilapidated. This is sad. Many memories in these malls.
You could run cross country run indoors there John on a snowy day. Those wheels gave me flash backs to the 60's, psychedelic, peace love and keep the baby faith
Absolutely! I feel like this is a good place for a workout 😊
This was nostalgic for Alan- he has memories of both of those malls from when he lived there in the 1970s!
He would've seen it change multiple times good and bad!
I was last there a couple years ago. There were more mallwalkers than shoppers.
The mini golf is really fun! Also I’d like to add that the local art and music community has used Towne West Mall for vendor markets and concerts :)
I live right down the road from the mall. It was so booming back in the day.
When I was in high school from 2002-2006 the west mall was where it’s at. We always went there because it was something to do. I went a few years ago and there was nothing there. Crazy how much it changed!
I love this mall. It is great to walk in. It makes me so sad that it has gone this downhill. Every store owner is amazing and I wish things would look up
I've shopped both malls, as well as the former White Lakes Mall in Wichita and the wonderful department store, Henry's. Shopping downtown Wichita used to be grand, but that's changed too. Unfortunately, those days are gone. Thanks for the interesting video, Coach.
never heard of White Lakes Mall in Wichita.
could it be Twin Lakes Mall.
I remember Henry's - loved that store. It seems that the one at (White? Twin?) Lakes had a circular staircase situated around a fountain - was that right?
@@SusanHL twin lakes no, that mall is still there but many chances over the years. . I did a google search there was a white lakes mall in Topeka
You must be OLD I’m 45 and I don’t remember ever shopping downtown.
@@antoniomccoy9451 well that i am.
Sears was at George Washington Boulevard and Lincoln, south side of street the building is still there. and many stores downtown.
when we first visited wichita, we went to towne west first. walked in, looked around while we stood in the food court, went right back out after a minute or two and found our way to towne east. towne east is the best one lol
Grew in a small farming town south of Wichita. Towne West was the goto mall for my friends and me for movies and shopping in the late 80s/early 90s.
I remember roaming this mall in the 90s. Crazy to see what it has become
I grew up in Wichita. Towne West was built long after I had left (which was in 1972). The first mall in town, to the best of my memory was called The Mall. I think it was over on East Harry. The building is still there, I think, but The Mall is long gone.
I would of thought Wichita was big enough to support 2 malls! Living closer to Topeka, our mall looks like Towne West! Thanks for the video!
It definitely did support it for a while. But malls are hard to keep going these days.
Towne West holds so many memories for me. Such a nostalgic place despite going like twice a year. The most I remember about it is the smell I can't identify in it that I haven't smelled elsewhere that is super nostalgic
Smelled like a dirty armpit when I worked there.
i remember when you had to wait in line just to walk around because it was so packed, same with west ridge mall in topeka
I grew up in witchita, Everyone in my familly called both malls Town-e East and Town-e West.
I perosnally have fond memories of Towne West, It was the mall I got some of my first santa pics at as well as wnet to every christmas
Lived at 935 Crestline Dr. in Westlink. Left for Tulsa in 79. Work deal... Lotsa great friends in Wichita from the 60's and 70's. After KU did Grad work at WU...those were the days
I spent a good chunk of my teens in Towne West. So sad to see it this way. The old chinese place was always my favorite.
eyyyy they got that scheels going on now at town east. I go there all the time.
The mall in Salina is in a similar condition. Only one place in the food court, lots of space available, and not many quality anchor stores. They took the fountain and pool out years ago, and a few years ago got rid of all the fish and shut down the aquarium.
i live down the street and untill recently high voltage garage was the spot at the mall to go to, they have since moved to a more stable location on central
Interesting video. The mall in my hometown went out in the late 80’s. It was a nice mall with many types of shops in its day. I miss it. 😔
Thanks for sharing
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Awesome addition. That’s a great idea
Thanks 👍
Towne West Square when I was a kid in the 90s was always busy. Not a vacancy to be seen and especially during the holidays, it was such a fun place to go because of how busy it was. My childhood and teenage years were there almost every weekend just hanging out with family and friends enjoying the old Sbarro's and I really liked visiting Electronics Boutique, Third Planet, and B Dalton books. Many of my family's shoes were purchased at the Payless there and we shopped at the Montgomery Ward and Sears quite often. After I graduated high school in 2007, it just stopped being the place to go. It would be years between visits. I can count on one hand how many times I have been to Towne West in the past 10 years. Anymore it just became a place to go to see how dead it had become.
i’ve lived in wichita most of life, born in very early 2000s and never once stepped foot into the west mall. growing up it was always called a “dead or ghost” mall. even in the early 2000s if i can recall correctly, there wasnt much in the mall.
Man, I was just in there today looking for music at Vintage Stock. It’s so sad to see what that poor mall has become
i remember begin in wichita kansas in 2013 when i was in fostercare and i went to the towne east mall a couple of times and remember it begin really cool didnt know they had a towne west
This is my mall. We went a few weeks ago and it is sad how empty it has become. The last time walking it was 2ish years ago, even then it was a bit of a ghost mall just not as much as now. One place we however frequent is Boulevard Theaters. Great prices and even a self-serve snack bar. I highly recommend it.
So sad! Personally, I'd like to see downtown stores again with 3 or 4 levels. The beautiful windows decorated by professionals for various holidays. I really miss that where I live. I have awesome memories of going downtown with my family.
I remember going to the Vintage Stock in Towne East and getting a copy of Dead Rising for the Xbox 360, then I heard about Towne West declining. Really cemented my fear and morbid fascination of malls like this. It’s so surreal seeing it abandoned
I've lived south of wichita all my life, and all I remember about towne west is driving past it on I-235 to the Imax or sedgwick county zoo lol. so weird seeing the inside of something I lived so close to but never entered.
over here in wellington, I had no idea there was an abandoned mall
I used to go to towne west almost every couple weeks with my parents and for some school trips and i can remeber some stores closing down but i havent walked around there recently only to watch some movies but i just felt so sad watching this because this mall was my childhood :(
I grew up going to Towne West in the 90s. I have a great memories of the old cookie shop. Man it's sad how it's fallen off.
It's always been in a terrible location! Yes it's located near major highway but there's never been direct route to get from said highway to the mall. When I moved here in 1990 I was mind blown at how you had to squirrel around through different roads to get to the mall from the major highways. Town East is located on the corner of two major highways with the direct exit.
I lived a 10 min walk from town west, growing up I used to go to town west all the time, mr. Bulkys the candy store was a fav of mine, hot topic was another, it's sad that town west has gone from a thriving mall to a ghost town
Damn, this is the one I drive by when I visit friends in Wichita. Never realized it was like this!
So many memories
Two years ago, I stopped at the Primm (NV) Outlet Mall, and it was every bit this desolate. The a/c was on, and the bathrooms open and clean.
There's a tetonic change in retail in the United States, failing malls are a tell to this change.
As always...