TC Electronic Brainwaves VS EHX Pitch Fork | Shootout Madness!
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- Опубліковано 24 бер 2019
- It's pitch shifter shootout madness - a comparison of the TC Electronic Brainwaves and the EHX Pitch Fork. Which one wins?!? Be sure to leave a comment and let me know which you prefer.
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I prefer the EHX.And I'm not forking around.
I won't be getting rid of my Pitch Fork any time soon.
I think the Pitchfork sounded *slightly* better, but the added features of the Brainwaves make it a winner for me.
Yaaaaa Bill. You made this video already! Can't wait to watch later today. Thanks man!
I'm really into the pink brainy personality of the brainwaves. I'm also a knob twiddler so I love the added features.
STILL the sheer sound of the pitchfork is tracking a little better to my ears
Fantastic demo and review. Thank you!
Just ordered a Pitchfork last night. This video made me even more confident in my purchase! Thanks Bill!
Hope you enjoy it!!!!
Personally, I preferred the Brainwaves. I know I am clearly in the minority haha. But tone wise, I just thought the Brainwaves sounded more trebly and less dirt as the Pitch Fork which I prefer on the larger stage I play on. I also don’t like my effects pedals to give my dry signal a boost. I respect your opinion though sir 🙏🏽
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR INFO PAL!
Proper comparison. This saves much time and money !!
Well, in large they seem to come pretty close for polyphonic pitch shifting. Seems to me that the pitch fork retains more of the original tone in the pitch shifted signal and thus sounds a little brighter. The brainwaves, to me, seems to have mostly a single sine or perhaps square wave in the pitch shifted signal and therefore a much darker overall sound.
Great comparison video!
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To my ears, the Pitchfork wins out. Not that I consider the Brainwaves poor by comparison, but it has a glitchy sounding attack I find less appealing compared to the Pitchfork's softer attack. I own a Pitchfork so might be biased, but it has a tone an functionality that I like. Great shootout Bill.
Dude! Great review. Helped me make a decision!!!
I like noises! Weird, sweet, abundant sounds that make you feel good. I love experimenting with things, so the brainwaves is what’s gonna occupy my board, while everyone else can have the basic brightness! Hipster musician here here 🖐🏾 going against the norm! Thanks for the video Bill!
Thanks for the detailed and honest constructive criticism of these pedals Bill. Too many 'reviews' on YT are merely demos that deliberately avoid reaching a verdict either way. I agree with you here, the Pitchfork does have the edge when it comes to pure pitch shifting and, of course, it also has the expression pedal input for controlled whammy effects.
You had me in the first test. I’ve been trying to decide on these for a while and this is the best comparison video for these 🙂 Pitchfork for me btw 🙂
I can imagine some people preferring the more aggressive, unnatural sound of the brainwaves (and obviously more features), but wow does that pitchfork sound great to me.
Pitch Fork is the winner to my ears. For me personally, companies like EH and MXR are about making time tested and rocker tested sounds, without all of the expensive gimmicks of the boutique brands or the bland tones of the multi-effects processor brands (TC, Boss, Digitech).
I have a Pitchfork which I use in conjunction with an expression pedal. You really need the expression pedal to get full use out of it in my opinion. Overall I love it, especially the octave below with some overdrive sounds killer - the only negative I would have is that in dual mode (both octave above and below) you can’t dial in your preferred blend of each octave. Personally I’d like to have the octave below up more with just a little bit of the octave above (because in my opinion it sounds tinny and horrible mixed in too much).
As for the comparison here, I think the Pitchfork sounds nicer.
Both sound great and I think that the warm low end on the Brainwaves would have been more prominent, if the Mix dial had been set to around noon. Just like on the Pitch Fork to the right.
Pitch Fork for me.. Great demo 👌🏼👌🏼
I recently tried a couple of multifx pedals together, and made a pitch shifter comparison video with the Line 6 HX Stomp, Eventide H9 and Zoom MS-70CDR. You're right that they are not very good. Pitch Fork seems to be the best but Brainwaves is definitely good as well.
Brainwaves for Zappa, Queen & stereo, Pitchfork for everything else.
I have the Pitchfork and to me, it was clearly the better sounding, cleaner and more distinct. But I do like the features on the Brainwaves, especially the stereo.
Yeah, I agree on the sound. If the Pitchfork had stereo this would be a no-brainer.
I do have to say that I prefer the Brainwaves in stereo. The pitch shifted signals seem clearer in that mode.
Could you please also comment on the latency? For example, is it possible to follow the metronom click with the pitch fork?
if only the pitchfork came in pink.
BTsMusicChannel haha yeah no kidding
You can pick-up a can of Rustoleum at Wal-Mart for 3.98.
Thanks for doing this comparison! To my ears, the Pitchfork sounded more "natural?" or, "pleasing?" 9 times out of 10.
Agreed. Pitchfork is the better. But for me, better just means less bad. They both sound quite horrible to my ears.
Ambient Music Studio I have a pitch fork and I agree the octave above sounds a bit nasty. If I use it blended in I usually only have it dialed in about a quarter which can can sound quite nice with some overdrive. I use an almost full blend in conjunction with an expression pedal to get a whammy bar effect if I feel like getting crazy.
This is a great video. For the no frills kind of guy the pitch fork is perfect and it has that EHX sound, its great, but for the experimental the BW is immense. Using the PRS for this test makes it all the more real life actual.
Wow. Pitchfork hands down win, by quite a margin. Gonna get mine soon....
I go back and forth between 6 string guitars and an 8 string guitar for ambient stuff. You're playing a 7 string in this genre. SUBSCRIBED.
Oh wow - an eight string player! I've had my 7 string for a year, and feel like I am still just getting started. That old 6 string habit is hard to break!
Pitchfork hands down for me. Nice demo!
I have owned a EHX Pitchfork for a little over a year now, and I love it. After just a few minutes into this comparison video, what I heard confirmed why I love it so much. It sounds so much cleaner than the Brainwaves, with much better tracking. In fact, I was amazed how 'distorted' the Brainwaves was in comparison to the Pitchfork. The Brainwaves may have more features, but I'll stick with my Pitchfork.
Whoa. In the clean sounds it just feels the Brainwaves is a bit more trebly, which is a matter of preference.
But with distortion... the Pitchfork just executes it. Wow.
Thank you for this demo. I own the Pitchfork and I think I like it better for the actual tracking. I don't NEED to have a stereo pitch pedal because my stereo signal splits at my Strymon Deco and through my effects loops of both amps via-my electro Harmonix Oceans-12.
But I DO really like the extra options that the Brainwaves gives you... But Electro Harmonix is putting out the PITCHFORK+ very soon.
It's TWO pitch shifters in one dual pedal with a digital read out and PRE-set capabilities! Thanx again I hope my input is helpful!
Interesting how you were more confident in trying more complicated passages on the Pitch Fork. You would try things on the Pitch Fork and would only then follow up on the Brainwaves. I think that says a LOT about your preference .... and I have to say that from this demo I agree. More accurate pitch shifting and less likelihood of non-musical artefacts. Well done EHX. Another fine review Bill - thankyou.
The downfall of the brainwaves is that you can hear a significant ring modulation sound on it, which might have been the intent of TC Electronic, but it ends up making it sound like it just can't keep up with the tracking like the Pitchfork can.
I thought the same thing
I prefer the EHX pitchfork ; plus add the expression pedal for whammy. Thank you for this demo
The Pitch Fork sounded better to me, but I would still love to see you compare it to the Whammy 5! However, the Brainwaves has so many cool functions, so I'll have to try it.
I concur with the findings - the basic pitch shifting algorithm is cleaner and more precise on the the Pitchfork, while the Brainwaves has all the extra features - including the really useful Whammy effect. If all you want is the pitch-shifting then go with the Pitchfork - although via the TC Electronics TonePrint feature - you can probably tune and improve your favourite settings to be closer to what you want. Possibly the Brainwaves needs a patch release fine-tune or two to come up to spec - I recall something similar happened to the now excellent Mimiq Doubler.
Thank you for the comparison. You immensely narrowed my search for a pitch shifter, as I've been pondering too many monophonics, e.g., Meris Hedra and Quintessence. Although the EHX Pitch Fork is apparently audibly superior, because I have a 12-string stereo guitar that's rhythm-distinctive, I have to go for the Brainwaves. Not a major downfall, though, as your video demonstrates, and I'd probably use "Wet" sparingly. I anticipate sonic artifacts on a guitar that already has octave courses, but curiosity reigns.
I just ordered the brainwaves, I’m not really looking to use it extensively just mainly as a replacement for a digitech whammy and also for the drop time capabilities, also stereo is a must have for me since I run a dual amp setup. I loved this review!
Edit: I also play with drives and stacked gains and I found the pitchfork doesn’t like my setup
Thank you for doing this video......I liked the sound of the pitch fork........it sounds better in my opinion....✌🏻❤
Run both pedals at the same time! Haha. Nice video and nice guitar...thanks again. I'm a EHX freak so I like the Pitchfork. But on my board I have a DigiTech whammy 2 from the 1990's...looks like it's time for a Pitchfork.
The pitch fork has a far nicer cleaner tone and is nice and natural. But the brainwaves has a bit of synthy sound to it at times which I really liked. I personally prefer the brainwaves as it sounds less natural which I like
Got the EHX Micro POG and TC Electronics Brainwaves, best of both worlds.
Both a strong contenders. To my ears, it seems like the Brainwaves is coloring the tone a little, while the Pitchfork seems to be a little more transparent? But that may just be UA-cam compression playing with my ears.
I’m only 5 minutes in and I already wanna sell my brainwaves and look into getting the pitchfork
The Tired Horizon Like a new octaver or a new version of the pitchfork?
The Tired Horizon I hope the “plus” has a built in exp pedal for Digitech whammy esque stuff. But thanks for the info! I will be on the lookout!
The Brain waves does many things besides straight pitch shifting like the Fork, right?
@The Tired Horizon A new pitchfork? Where did you see that? Which are your source?
The Tired Horizon are talking about the slammi plus? Cause it’s out already.
Love both pedals, but the pitch fork doesn't do a minor third, kinda weird leaving that out.
Yeah. I wish I knew I wanted that before I bought one :( It has left me to search out a second pitch shifter.
I think the Pitchfork sounds somewhat more natural and "organic". The Brainwaves doesn't track quite as tightly. It'd be interesting to compare them to the Electro Harmonix Nano POG, which I find sounds even nicer (only does +/- 1 octave and no other intervals though).
I would say go with the Pitch Fork +. A little more money but it’s got a lot of options! I like both of these pedals though, may have to order the Brainwaves
EHX is still top of the class with their polyphonic tracking and pitch technology. Definitely more digital artifacts in the Brainwaves and I wouldn’t want to use it for clean sounds. However, I actually preferred the Brainwaves on some of the distorted sounds. The dirtiness of it made for a more gnarly aggressive sound.
For having tried the Brainwaves, I can tell that the tracking is far from being perfect, and as a professional musician, there's no way I'm bringing this pedal on stage. I never tried the Pitchfork, but I own the TC Electronic Quintessence (monophonic harmonizer), and by comparison to the Brainwaves, the tracking is perfect and reliable. It's disappointing because the way the Brainwaves has been thought is very cool, and easy to understand (the Quintessence is a bit more complicated as you need to know about modes, keys and harmony). But the latency that we hear, though it is not huge, is too important and unfortunately I'll return it just because of that.
It was the Brainwaves for me - the depth of this pedal if you take the time to explore it is incredible and the mash/whammy function and TonePrint made it a no brainer for the money. I’d point out that I’m rarely using it for chords of more than two notes so do not experience the glitch issues noted in the review.
Excellent comparision, I agree with your conclusion that the EHX has the better overall sound. I am very satisfied with mine. Magnet draw day from dark, sun zoom spark. p.s. Mooer pedals also prone to volume drop.
Thanks for an awesome video. I was so excited about the wild possibilities of the brainwaves and went for it right away. Having mild buyer’s remorse. I wanted it to replace my whammy V, however I noticed the tracking is slightly off in comparison. Too bad! I put my heavy whammy V back on the pedal board. Maybe the subnup would be a better smaller choice! Haha
In fact the donner octave pedal I have tracks better than the brainwaves I think!
The pitch fork sounds richer and less noisy in each case while the brainwaves sounds thinner and more noisy, sustain is enhanced by the pitch fork but percussion stands out for the brains waves.
I assume this is most likely because the high frequency filters for the pitch fork cut off more of the highs than do the filters of the brainwaves which allow more highs through.
This means that the pitch fork sounds richer, but less intense, while the brainwaves sounds more intense but less rich., conservative taste would more likely favor the pitch fork, but adventurous taste would more likely favor the brainwaves.
To me it sounds like an almost minute layer of static under the signal of the Brain Waves pedal that isn't there with the Pitch Fork.
these 2 pedals are way different to me now that you have given a varied demo of both. I think the EHX has a cleaner algorithm and generally is more musical.. However, if we are talking EFFECTS pedal, then the crazy harmonics being accentuated, the crazy adjustments and tweaks, and the overall fuzzier sound of the TCE is cool sounding. In the long run for me, the TCE would probably end up being a "gadget" pedal and the EHX would be the daily workhorse. BTW, IMO (being somewhat of an EXH fan) just like they did with the canyon delay-looper, they upgraded it into the grand canyon, notably adding the stereo outs and added everyone else's delay ideas, but at 1/2 the price, I will sit on the fence and watch for the upgraded version of the pitchfork. and you watch, it will rule for $249 US sweetwater, et al...price.
Also looking forward to EHX's new crazy super-verb, something like a: super-duper 3-engine-matrix reverb unit ....for $249.....heh.
dear EHX, $500 of your money is in my pocket waiting for your super pitchfork AND your super-duper multi-engine reverb (like i'm thinking everything ventris, neunaber and strymon ever did PLUS new tweaks and the triple engine threat with full routing like:parallel or series or both)
edit: I have a Lexicon mx400 dual-stereo reverb unit. It has fully flexible effects engine routing and both halves can be linked for basically a 4-engine effects matrix. you can quickly get into outer space just using stock patches, so I think a flexible routing matrix would be a huge plus for a digital multi-engine pedal too. BTW, you can get these used for $150-$200. they are awesome for all the basic effects, just in a small 19" rack case(110VAC power too fwiw)
Sometimes I’m preferring the Brainwaves, as it seems to focus on certain areas of the sound better imo. I could see that in many ways though that the PF seems to give a more full and maybe authentic pitch shift. I would and probably will get the Brainwaves though.
The brainwaves sounds much brighter and clearer with gain, but the pitchfork tracks better, particularly with chords. Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
"Do one thing. Do it well."
When you talk ONLY about basic pitch shiter... yeah i agree with you but as you mensioned the brainwaves hás more features and i like it better when you add the distortion. So adding to your final thoughts i would say < if you want Basic pitch shiter go to Pitchfork. If you want distorted tone and any of the features rather than the Basic go to the brainwaves>
2:14 Yep, that's a wrap on this shoot-out. EHX all the way.
Pitchfork by a mile. The Brainwave has tons of intermodulation.
At some points, I felt that the pitchfork sounded better and less artificial, but the Brainwaves sounded better at other points. It's a hard decision. I would go with brainwaves for being cheaper and for me, just playing at home, recording simple songs to Spotify, and practicing with a looper. That's why I would choose Brainwaves for my scenario.
Better is subjective. I found the pitchfork to be more pleasing to my ears. I perceive high-frequency distortion in the TC .... kinda buzzy. The pitchfork was a little rounder on the top end. Good stuff!
Great Vid, any chance you could compare the Digitech Whammy Ricochet as well ?
I didn’t like my pitchfork until I hooked it up through the effects loop, after I did that it sounded like a true harmonizer, the difference was huge... it sounds like you don’t have it set up that way. I’m thinking of getting the brainwaves and using both, I run stereo and this could be fun.
Effects loop of what? For my rig, the Pitch Fork in the effects does not sound as good as frontending the amp model of my Avid 11R.
Chords Of Orion ok, I don’t even know what that is, just stating what worked for me. In my Orange Rockerverb MKIII it’s 100% better in the effects loop.
Gotcha. That’s the great thing about different rigs. All unique! 😎
Really not fair with the volume drop. The Brainwave has a crispy boxiness that might actually sound good if it were boosted and then compared to the midrange fullness of the Pitchfork.
Like most everyone else, I preferred the Pitchfork. I am biased, however, as I have owned the Pitchfork for some time, and have been very happy with the results I get from it. And, I don't even use the expression pedal feature.
Like you, I normally just want the basic pitch shift capabilities.
Have you tried rolling off the volume knob a bit, or trying it with single-coil pickups? I feel like maybe your signal was overdriving the Brainwaves a little bit; when you played quietly it seemed to do better. Could have been my imagination, though. Anyway, I guess I can do that test myself soon, because I'm getting one regardless! Great channel btw.
I'm actually shocked that I prefer the pitch fork.
What do you think about the dark wolrd of chase audio bliss? I feel you would give an interesting interpretation to that pedal with your guitar :)
Tricky one, because I will use it in a wet dry wet rig and in the stereo part, so although your recording favours the Pitch Fork I am not sure it would in a WDW scenario. Stereo and toneprints and mash would probably persuade me to go with Brainwaves. I use triads a lot so probably be ok. There are a ton of toneprints including Andy summers, Steve Vai, Lari Basillio and David Walliman already. I also went into the toneprint editor where you can adjust the volumes. I am pretty sure I could go into the toneprint editor and match up the volumes. You have bought so might be interesting to do that and then come back on whether you can match the volumes with the PF. So given my other TC experience including the Quintessence I think the Brainwaves fills the gap the Quintessence leaves.
Damn hard to tell with differernt volumes. I personally prefer the brainwaves with distortion and would use both without.
PF sounds like more narrow frequency orientated...but i like it more. More of a synthi sound. The TC sounds more broad frequency and open but its sounds too digital harsh and upper frequencies. The best would be a Pitchfork with all the Brainwaves possibilities.
Or a Brainwaves with the PF tonality volume and frequency
The pitchfork has a buffer in it, so that’s why sounds more volume.
Which one has a minor latency?
I think the pitch fork just does a slightly better job when it comes to chords. The brain waves on the other hand sounds a lot better paired with distortion compared to the pitch fork.
I've been using the pitch fork on bass for a while and what I've found is that is makes the highest frequencies sound too harsh if I don't turn down the tone on my bass. the brain waves seens to suffer less from this issue.
Great video, thanks for this and the many other clips. I've learned quite a bit and avoided a few lame purchases/ disappointments.
It would be great to not hear your room mic and the acoustic strumming of the guitar over the amplified signal!
The Brainwaves seems to be adding some extra modulation almost on the chord at 3:13. This ends up sounding like more distortion when the distortion is on. Is that just because of a hotter level going into the amp from the Brainwaves? Hard to tell if it's just dirt or some sort of beats happening between the notes
I think the Pitch Fork has more pleasing sounding pitch shifting, especially on chords. But the kinda robot sound the Brainwaves does on some chords could be interesting if used purposefully in a song.
is there any difference in latency between the two or are they about the same?
Braibwave has the function, probably needs to be followed by buffer or boost, but, really has a verge of tinny tone in many modes, a bit thin and the pitch fork is a fuller tone all th e way thru
Damnit. I'm supposed to buy a Brainwaves tomorrow.
Hey. Nice! Thanks for the comparison!
O preferred the EHX tone, but the whammy function is important for me.
How do you compare the delay in both of them? Witch one has the most long delay of picking strings and hearing in the amp?
tc turns into "soup" on long delaytimes, EHX doesnt.
you canstill plug an expression pedal into the Expression input of the PitchFork
Could you get a convincing Thin Lizzy twin guitar sound with either of these?
I noticed that you ended up retrofitting humbuckers into your SE 277. Do you prefer that setup over the factory P90 style pickups?
I own both and the Pitchfork sounds way better. There are ways to make the Brainwaves to sound less harsh and it does things the Pitchfork won’t like separate delays for each pitch.
I think the Pitchfork have a more natural sound,besides the volume problem, but the brainwaves sound very good too, as you say for use the pitch shit capability my choice is the pirtchfork, but for a use like detune and all that the brainwaves is a good option
The brainwaves sounded pretty good to be honest! Also, don't they say that pitch shifting pedals work better before overdrive? Nice comparison all the same!
wow the pitchfork wins here in a head to head. as im a bass clarinet player ive not much need to use polyphony but i make loops and build chords so to add a PF into my chain might be pretty magical
Hope you will check the channel tomorrow. I am posting a baritone guitar piece with EBow using the Strymon Volante to build up loops with the Pitch Fork. I think it will give you a good feel for how your clarinet might sound.
@@chordsoforion yeah i will definitely come check tomorrow, ive been subbed for a while now and watched you before i had an account, i don't miss your uploads.
The Ebow has 'unlimited' sustain on one string and doesn't decay like picked guitar so it should represent some of the woodwinds qualities (i cant circular breathe yet).
the volante vibes are my thing.
i have the HX Effects and abuse the Cosmic Echo on it. i set the echo time to my expression pedal and rock away.
all the best, i love what you are doing.
Thank you!!! I guess I'm going to be the odd man out and say the Brainwaves wins, although they're very very close.
You are welcome, and your opinion of which is best is totally valid.
vinvanveen I’m with you I like the brainwave better as well .
EHX for smoother clean pitchshifting. TC for nice noise and synth sound. I am also curious of the whammy comparison between a Ricochet and Brainwaves. Pitchfork can half wham too with the momentary switch and EXxp pedal. ..
Here are my thoughts. Cut to the chase ... the PitchFork seems to track better and has a better sound for my ears.
Here's a question for you. I play in a worship band at church. We are given sheet music, and then we can practice at home by watching worship bands playing the song.
BUT ... Bands invariably play the song in a DIFFERENT key. It makes it impossible to truly practice the song (using the video) in the same way as practicing off the sheet music in a different key.
My thinking ... use a pitch pedal to change the D major on the sheet music into the B major they're playing.
Problem I see .. the PF pedal can't shift through all 11 steps of the major scale. If I buy a pedal I want to be able handle any shift necessary within the scale to compensate for what they're doing on the videos. So here's my solution .... buy two pedals. One PF takes the guitar signal and shifts. The output goes to PF #2 and shifts it. I'll have to investigate the pitch intervals that are allowed to see if the combination will cover all 11 intervals.
Question for you .. do you see any flaws to my thinking? And, are there any other less expensive ways to solve my probleem? A capo doesn't cut it because it moves the location on the guitar. I want to be able to practice the song in the position dictated by the sheet music. If in key of D, I want to play a D on the 2nd fret. And a drop pedal won't cut it because it only goes down. Many times I have to go up.
The pitch shifter pedal seems to be the best solution, but I don't know everything. Thanks so much for your help. As I said above, based on sound, the Pitch Fork seems to have the best sound.
Pitchfork FTW
Wow, I'm going contrarian to most of the comments here. Brainwaves sounds more natural and less processed to me. Also it's like the difference between a neck pickup (Brainwaves) and a bridge pickup (Pitch Fork). For ambient music the more mellow, less processed Brainwaves would do it for me. But the Pitch Fork would make a solo stand out in the mix. Although it's a somewhat different animal, the DigiTech Drop Pitch Shifter would make for an interesting comparison. Steve Stine says in his review that the DigiTech pedal tracks better than the Pitch Fork, FWIW.
Couldn't put my finger on it before what the Pitchfork sounds like to me. Now I've got it: electric harpsichord! Definitely more clear/biting.
I dont like the tc pitch shifters I cant put my finger on it but its something in the tone that ercks me. Love the ehx pitchfork.
Have you tried the Meris stuff?
I think it's all going to boil down to is do you want more or less
Brainwaves kills the Pitchfork for me, and I own the Pitchfork right now!