Hey Rob... great job at getting these videos out so quickly. Obviously great content but also good audio unlike some other similar videos from the Pipeline 23.
Thank you sir, five more videos to go. I got a new mic this year so instead of just doing one video with no talking, I decided to do a bunch of short videos to give you guys as much information about these tools as I could. Hope you guys enjoy it. It was a long day and even longer doing the video editing.
@@ConcordCarpenter Most definitely. I like your decision to break up this year's PIPELINE videos into shorter topic specific videos. One question about the FORGE batteries I would like answered. Most of my pouch LiIon batteries when they go bad will swell. When the 18650 cells for my flashlights go bad they just die and won't hold a charge. Did Milwaukee incorporate any sensors in the FORGE battery to tell us one of the pouch cells is swelling? Hope you, your entire TBB crew, and your families stay safe and well.
Not that anyone cares or this matters, but honestly I’m pretty upset at the way Milwaukee did the new super charger. The fact that it can’t simultaneously charge two batteries at full power on both ports and then they spin this weakness as a strength, it just bothers me. Also why are they only comparing it to the current rapid charger and not the current super charger? In my opinion they held enough performance back, especially in the max charge rate department for bigger batteries, that I’m betting an extreme/ultra/mega/forge charger is coming. Great video thanks so much!
@2down4up. Good point. Makita has always sold fan cooled rapid chargers with many of their kits (the fan cools the battery). And their dual bay rapid chargers are also simultaneous and have two fans to cool each battery.
@@ccadama It just felt like a Ryobi move to me but with a Milwaukee price tag. I’m sure it’s a great charger but to spin charge adapt as a strength instead of the cheap weakness that it is, is just BS. Also the fact that they seem to have forgotten all about the current super charger bothers me as well. The fact that none of the interviewers ask about that is telling.
Do the fans actually send air THROUGH the pack, or just external/fans for the charger itself? And are the packs still waterproof? The original MX charger, for example, has fans but they mainly cool the charger, not the battery.@@ccadama
@@Walkop If you're asking whether the fans in the Makita rapid chargers cool the batteries, yes they do. Makita batteries have slots in them for the forced air from the charger fans. The forced air helps not only cool the batteries while they charge they also help cool the pack if they are too hot to charge. The Milwaukee M18 and Dewalt 20V Max rapid chargers have fans that cool the chargers only. Both their style batteries don't have slots on their packs for forced air cooling. What do you mean by a Makita pack being waterproof? Are Milwaukee battery packs waterproof? In what way? Hope that answers your question.
I think we definitely need a more thorough test of this battery Rob. I want hard numbers for run time and power. Is it going to be a major improvement over the existing 6 or 8ah high output batteries to justify the price tag? And id really like to know how many rated cycles these have. Same, or better longevity? Im tired or babysitting my batteries
My prediction... the extra umph will not be as much as advertised... the benefit is a tad lighter and double the charge cycle life. I will only charger upgrade if mine fails. Have lots of bats I rotation anyway .
I think HO has the most to Improve on. Choosing to stick with 18v at HO is very limiting with heat. So even if the forge has power or can take more heat.. the 9 inch grinder itself will trip at 900 watts... vs dewalt 2800v. Of course this is the really big tools... and it's why Milwaukee is re Making stuff with 2 batteries. Ex ope line trimmer. They were melting. But a 2 bat 9 in remade grinder will have horrible ergonomics.
It’s ability to give more power is just the throughput through the cells, overall capacity is lower by the stated value. People think they’re getting the same capacity and a in smaller package which is not true. Probably a similar design to the new stacked cells in the Dewalt.
Torch channel testing found the 6HD batter was more powerful than the 8HD and 12HD batteries. So, I wonder how 6HD would stack up against the 6F they debuted today.
Yes the 6ho when fully charged is equal to the 12 but she will overheated very quickly compared to the 12 , if the 6 forge is always more powerfull throughout the cycle compared to the 12 and when push hard do not reach thermal protection this is a game changer here, i look foward to test that.
Wasn’t the previous HO XC6.0 battery already just as powerful if not more than the 12.0? Are they implying the new 6.0 battery has comparable runtime as the 12.0?
Acording to milwaukee the 6ah forge has same energy density of the 12ah (personaly i dont think its 1:1 in real world maybe best case scenario?!), you can pull more power into the tool and charge way faster, but my theory is that you will need improved brushless motors to really take advantage of this new lithium bateries, or it will give you a slight "omph" and have a greater run time. They showed the new impact wrench i believe it may be one of the cases it "sucks" more power into the tool to deliver more "omph"
Will the new 6ah forge work with the Milwaukee weedwacker that came with the m18 8ah High Output battery? Will the new forge battery be charged on the original M18 charger that came with the weedwacker?
How old is help out like the mower? Will these extend run times or just make them faster to recharge? I take it when the new version of this in the 12 amp hour will allow the mower to run quite a bit longer.
Run time is determined by the amp/hour not the "Power" of a battery, you can have two batteries with the same amp/hour but with a different power output.
Any thang on the lawn mower? I would like to get one but I ain't paying that price I wonder if these batteries will start coming with it and be a little cheaper
That impact test with the 5.0xc vs the forge was too close. Maybe not the best test to show the capability. 6.0 HO vs 6.0 Forge will be the big comparison imo.
@@ConcordCarpenterthat was only for the circular saw. The impact was an XC5.0 because that’s the other kit he said was available. From the looks of them though, I’ll stick to 6.0HO. A tiny increase in tool capability is not worth it.
Fab update thank you Rob. Did they mention progress on smaller sized Forge batteries? I’m a big fan of the High Output 3.0 battery on drills/impact drivers. Any sign of a Forge battery equivalent to that?
With more power to the impact with forge and higher rpm's and harder hitting what keeps the tool from beating the plastic battery mount to the tool apart over time. My experience is the heavier the battery the worse the beating between the tool & the battery 😢
I was curious to see what the battery makes it different from others but basically took flex tools recipe. I’m not a fan of cell pouches from swelling but i must be missing what makes this safe to run
They're not cell pouches. They basically kept the cylindrical batteries it's what they call tabless cylindrical. Which means that the connections on the ends of the batteries for their ran in parallel and series together they were always too thin and flimsy to be able to push the amount of power through the cells themselves so they came up with a design that is the best of both worlds between cylindrical and flat cell batteries. If you look at a battery pack you can see the entire length that that energy has to travel through the entire pack and it takes an enormous amount of energy away with thinner connectors. Think about it as only previous batteries they used a 20 gauge extension cord whereas now they're using a 12 gauge extension cord. So because they have that higher gauge connecting each battery cell they can push more power through it and recharge it faster as opposed to having that little small flimsy connection. I took it for the hyper tough battery from Walmart just to look at the cell pack on it and the connections on those are paper thin Where's my understanding of a forge battery they are massive in comparison.
But they keep saying the forge 6.0 is the same and equal to the 12 hd in what way? The hd batteries all have the same power but different runtimes in that category. So enter forge. Same power but half the runtime just like the 6 hd it seems
Seems fair seeing as it’s going to charged tens of thousands of dollars worth of batteries over its lifetime. I want it already and I have absolutely no use for it 😂
@@wendellgreenidge3362 a charger was, at one time, just part of a kit. Now they’re being marketed as high-dollar accessories, and VERY high margin too; there’s probably less than $10 worth of parts in that thing. If you are willing to pay then I’m the one who’s wrong. 😉
@superspeeder If that thing is 15 minutes to 80%, that means charge currents of 20A or so, with 2 bays so this thing is a 40A 21V charger. That means it has a 900-1000W switchmode PSU. That is VERY expensive to produce.
@@procrastinator1842 twice as much as Makita’s dual rapid charger? No. More expensive, yes, very slightly. A 1000W supply might cost 20% more to manufacture than a 500W supply. Economies of scale.
Brown 18volt camping tools no one asked for and a new 40volt battery line that's not backwards compatible with 18volt which no one asked for either. I gotta give it up to Milwaukee for continually improving the M18 line
Lol. Prices are getting pretty steep. Glad I’m only in cordless for drills ,drivers and impacts. Can get a decent compact generator for the price of a few batteries and a charger and just run the tried and true corded tools.
This looks like some really cool technology for the Milwaukee guys. I'm on the yellow stuff so I won't get to enjoy it. I would like to eventually acquire a couple of the DeWalt pouch style batteries. I have plenty of good batteries so I still can't justify the expense. I have a 9Ah battery that came with my 60V saw and a 6Ah that came with the 999 drill when I need more power. The small pouch battery would be really nice for my impact driver, and the drill also.
It's not for backyard hobbyists. It's built for professionals. It will be a tax write off and worthy investment to have more available power ,faster charging meaning it works faster ,charges faster which equals money in the bank baby boy.
@@jamesozment1 That doesn't even make good business sense when you can buy one half that price with a LIFETIME warranty. Works faster if you're doing that much where seconds adds to minutes and hours common sense tells me to go corded. But hey that's just me. I'll keep what I have until someone starts making the tools in the USA.
Well this is quite expensive just for the charger. People like me that won’t necessarily need this or benefit from faster charging times most likely won’t get it. i built a collection of Milwaukee tools but as far as brand loyal they’re out of their minds if they think regular folks will jump on this. I can respect that it’s more tailored to mechanics and your everyday worker that depends on their tools to get the job done but for a person that just has a garage with tools, we’re good thanks. Nice to see tech evolving though & eventually it’ll be cheaper
Thanks for the tutorial Rob! I prefer to spend my $ on more older/cheaper batteries and multiple slow chargers. Being lighter will definitely be an advantage when i need more chargers though. Early 90's Ridgid had vents in their 18/24 nicad batteries, with a fan that pulled air between the cells for fast charging.
It has the same power. But will last half ... Meaning if your 12 AH last 20 minutes, that new 6 AH battery will last 10 ... There's another thing that needs to be proven ... For other companies, cylindrical batteries will last 1500 charges while pouch batteries last 2500. We will see. As far as I am concerned, Milwaukee's 12 Ah last roughly 3 to 5 years. max.
Do they degrade in high temperature work environments like the last generation of lithium ion batteries? I really don't care about how much more power it can deliver if my $249 battery is degraded from 3 months of use on jobs in central valley heat.
You CANNOT have fast charge and long battery life. As usual, Milwaukee promises big with their batteries and, in the end, they’ll fail. I’ve had numerous 12ah and 8ah and MX fails. They get too hot and then their chargers make them even hotter. Makita XGT does it best. Makita priorities saving their batteries and tools. Milwaukee is held back by its volatile, too. That’s one of the main reasons XGT and other 36v platforms are cooler. Amps cause heat and when you have half the voltage (18v), you have no choice but to pump a lot more amps to compete with the 36v tools of the world. I appreciate that Milwaukee is trying to keep their platform alive but so is Makita. Makita hasn’t killed their LXT platform in the slightest but added the XGT for tools that would benefit from the higher voltage. Milwaukee needs to do the same. Oh, and one more thing, a 6ah battery does NOT have the same power of a 12ah battery. Different amps, different power. More marketing BS. Milwaukee is turning to more and more marketing BS to maximize profits. I have about $30k in Milwaukee tools. Many of them are getting swapped for Makita XGT.
Several of my 6ah and 12ah gave out at the 2 year mark. Took them into a local authorized repair shop. By the serial number they were 3 1/2 years old and since i couldn't find the receipts....the joke is on me...... I DON'T TRUST MILWAUKEE OR HOME DEPOT ANYMORE. Why....why would i take a chance on this forge battery? I took a loss well over $1000 on these old batteries they sold to home depot. I've bought quite a few Flex brand tools lately. Their batteries don't get as hot during use and stay very cool during charging. No problems with any Flex batteries or tools so far. Milwaukee can keep their $250 charger and their untested forge batteries and shove them up their backside SIDEWAYS and without valseline...
Didn’t say if it was going to work with previous generations tool from what i understand you need to buy the new version to get the full power kind of a apple move
WoW a Stacked Lithium battery, what will Milwaukee think of next .... 😂🤣😂 and by the way DeWalts New High Torque 1/2" Impact Wrench has 1,700 ftlbs. of torque with their old ass 5.0ah battery..... 😅🤣😂
@@PelleBleuhe's correct it's just higher output not some complicated micro chip BS. it's impressive that they can produce the same or slightly more power out of a smaller battery
The employee is probably just repeating some PR marketing bs. If these tools are so smart, I wonder what they think when you use another brand battery with an adapter. It might be so confused right?
@@PelleBleu based on previous models unaware of this tech, battery adapters, my knowledge of electricity (pretty good), the way the sales man answered the question. It’s just a hunch. I just think it’s BS.
Does anyone remember when Milwaukee tried to convince everyone that battery size didn’t matter to tool output? It wasn’t that long ago they tried to say a 2.0 was the same as a 4.0, the larger battery just gave us longer run times. Lol. Now the marketing has flipped 180 and their main event is now centered on more powerful batteries!
...you mean when other companies started pushing higher voltage battery platforms, requiring new tools to be bought? Yeah, I remember that. M18 still exists 10+ years later - and many are best in class. Not to mention that there are ~15 year old tools out there that can keep going using these brand new batteries.
Y’all are getting played… the faster and hotter and battery gets (charging/not charging) kill it’s lifespan. ie you want to charge lithium ion layered batteries slow and low. Heat is the killer can take the battery from 500 recharges to 400.
I like my Milwaukee tools, but this sales talk is telling me nothing about the technology behind these new batteries. It's just the sales barkers promoting products that most of them have no real idea how it works. If they want us to buy it, stop treating us like a bunch of idiots, and tell us how it works.
So we are talking $449 for just one 6ah battery and the super charger. The economy is all messed up and you guys expect us to shell out what for many is an entire paycheck for A battery and charger. You all have lost your minds. This battery is not going to last forever and as of now Milwaukee has a sketchy track record with their high output batteries. I'm not trying to be the guinea pig at $445. That cost more than my framing nailer! Also, look at that real world speed increase what was that? 5 maybe 8%? Batteries are not cheap. I realize that. But the prices they're asking these days is just ludicrous. I'm not just getting on Milwaukee. Makita's prices are up there too especially on their 40 volt line. I'm just saying we need to get these things down to like 60 to 70 at the most. Slapp in a charger and it should be no more $120 because that's really all most are willing to spend on batteries.
Prueba más estúpida🤔🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ una batería XC de 5ah VS la nueva tecnologia de 6ah y la diferencia son unos milisegundos y que tal VS la Higt Ouput de 6ah 🤔🤔🤔 supongo que no habría ningúna diferencia. 🤔
Not a Milwaukee fan. Have very few of their tools. Sort of known for power over finesse. I personally don't get on with their ergonomics. New batteries. New chargers. Much higher prices. Will it all work. Dewalt made all sorts of claims for Powerstack. Frankly crap. The biggest breakthrough will come when we get rid of Lithium batteries. Completely different battery medium. They are out there. Hopefully becoming more practical all the time. Until then companies will continue to squeeze the last dregs out of this technology. With small improvements. Or complete failures, like the Dewalt.
@ConcordCarpenter It still does cooling only helps when you have used the battery and it's warm regular chargers won't charge the battery right away you have to wait till it cools down even the fan ones don't start charging right away either but the fan cools the battery quicker and once it deemed cool enough it will start charging don't listen to Milwaukee salesman they lie right through their teeth there's is the first and most powerful
Hey Rob... great job at getting these videos out so quickly. Obviously great content but also good audio unlike some other similar videos from the Pipeline 23.
Thank you sir, five more videos to go. I got a new mic this year so instead of just doing one video with no talking, I decided to do a bunch of short videos to give you guys as much information about these tools as I could.
Hope you guys enjoy it. It was a long day and even longer doing the video editing.
Audio more important than video. I can tolerate crappy video. Crappy Audio is unbearable.
@@ConcordCarpenter Most definitely. I like your decision to break up this year's PIPELINE videos into shorter topic specific videos.
One question about the FORGE batteries I would like answered. Most of my pouch LiIon batteries when they go bad will swell. When the 18650 cells for my flashlights go bad they just die and won't hold a charge. Did Milwaukee incorporate any sensors in the FORGE battery to tell us one of the pouch cells is swelling?
Hope you, your entire TBB crew, and your families stay safe and well.
@@ccadama no I don’t think so
Audio sounds like a robot or is it just me? Still, great content!
Rob, thanks for asking all the right questions.
Not that anyone cares or this matters, but honestly I’m pretty upset at the way Milwaukee did the new super charger. The fact that it can’t simultaneously charge two batteries at full power on both ports and then they spin this weakness as a strength, it just bothers me. Also why are they only comparing it to the current rapid charger and not the current super charger? In my opinion they held enough performance back, especially in the max charge rate department for bigger batteries, that I’m betting an extreme/ultra/mega/forge charger is coming. Great video thanks so much!
@2down4up. Good point. Makita has always sold fan cooled rapid chargers with many of their kits (the fan cools the battery). And their dual bay rapid chargers are also simultaneous and have two fans to cool each battery.
@@ccadama It just felt like a Ryobi move to me but with a Milwaukee price tag. I’m sure it’s a great charger but to spin charge adapt as a strength instead of the cheap weakness that it is, is just BS. Also the fact that they seem to have forgotten all about the current super charger bothers me as well. The fact that none of the interviewers ask about that is telling.
Maybe I'll have to but a few of the current ones when they clear them outta HD, before they get replaced.@@2down4up
Do the fans actually send air THROUGH the pack, or just external/fans for the charger itself? And are the packs still waterproof? The original MX charger, for example, has fans but they mainly cool the charger, not the battery.@@ccadama
@@Walkop If you're asking whether the fans in the Makita rapid chargers cool the batteries, yes they do. Makita batteries have slots in them for the forced air from the charger fans. The forced air helps not only cool the batteries while they charge they also help cool the pack if they are too hot to charge.
The Milwaukee M18 and Dewalt 20V Max rapid chargers have fans that cool the chargers only. Both their style batteries don't have slots on their packs for forced air cooling.
What do you mean by a Makita pack being waterproof? Are Milwaukee battery packs waterproof? In what way?
Hope that answers your question.
Hi Rob keep up the great work you do a very good job in explanation and demonstration
paid review. Not a word about reducing the operating time of new batteries by 2 times
Missed seeing you this year! Great coverage!
Great update and have been waiting for this information.
I think we definitely need a more thorough test of this battery Rob. I want hard numbers for run time and power. Is it going to be a major improvement over the existing 6 or 8ah high output batteries to justify the price tag? And id really like to know how many rated cycles these have. Same, or better longevity? Im tired or babysitting my batteries
Duly noted! The team has already started chatting on this
My prediction... the extra umph will not be as much as advertised... the benefit is a tad lighter and double the charge cycle life. I will only charger upgrade if mine fails. Have lots of bats I rotation anyway .
There's in depth reviews right now it is slightly more powerful then the 12.0 on most tools
I think HO has the most to Improve on. Choosing to stick with 18v at HO is very limiting with heat. So even if the forge has power or can take more heat.. the 9 inch grinder itself will trip at 900 watts... vs dewalt 2800v. Of course this is the really big tools... and it's why Milwaukee is re Making stuff with 2 batteries. Ex ope line trimmer. They were melting. But a 2 bat 9 in remade grinder will have horrible ergonomics.
@@philipjohn4149 yeah I gave up on my m18 7in grinder and bought a corded one from harbor freight. The Milwaukee was constantly overheating.
Great update Rob. The Milwaukee rep' knew his stuff!
I'll bet you're lookin' good walking into the cocktail lounge with man-glitter on your jeans! 😉
Haha right!
My use case for this battery would be for my 6" and 9" grinders. How would they hold up to those usecase? I tired of 5 mins and swapping batteries.
Will this new 1/2 in out perform the 3/4 ??? I bought the 3/4 and rarely use it !! When it does come out it’s a monster !
It’s ability to give more power is just the throughput through the cells, overall capacity is lower by the stated value. People think they’re getting the same capacity and a in smaller package which is not true. Probably a similar design to the new stacked cells in the Dewalt.
Torch channel testing found the 6HD batter was more powerful than the 8HD and 12HD batteries. So, I wonder how 6HD would stack up against the 6F they debuted today.
Yes the 6ho when fully charged is equal to the 12 but she will overheated very quickly compared to the 12 , if the 6 forge is always more powerfull throughout the cycle compared to the 12 and when push hard do not reach thermal protection this is a game changer here, i look foward to test that.
someone need to explain to us how the watts per hours in number showing 12ah is more than 6 ah but their runtime is the same
That's fantastic.. We'll also be able to get those 12Ah Red Lithium batteries on great deals as well.
Whats the MODEL number for the FORGE battery and when is it coming OUT
If the forge 6.0 is = to the hd 12.0. Then why dont they call the next up and coming forge 12.amp battery release the m18 forge 24 amp
Wasn’t the previous HO XC6.0 battery already just as powerful if not more than the 12.0? Are they implying the new 6.0 battery has comparable runtime as the 12.0?
Acording to milwaukee the 6ah forge has same energy density of the 12ah (personaly i dont think its 1:1 in real world maybe best case scenario?!), you can pull more power into the tool and charge way faster, but my theory is that you will need improved brushless motors to really take advantage of this new lithium bateries, or it will give you a slight "omph" and have a greater run time. They showed the new impact wrench i believe it may be one of the cases it "sucks" more power into the tool to deliver more "omph"
So they announced the stacked lithium packs finally ? :O oh snaap. Thanks for the video
I’d like to see this thing’s performance in a 12.0 forge on a table saw
anyone know when we can expect a smaller more compact forge battery?
Will the new 6ah forge work with the Milwaukee weedwacker that came with the m18 8ah High Output battery?
Will the new forge battery be charged on the original M18 charger that came with the weedwacker?
Yes both
What is the watt hour number for the 6.0 Forge ?
18v at 6ah, 18x6=108
Does it out perform dewalts power stack?
How old is help out like the mower? Will these extend run times or just make them faster to recharge? I take it when the new version of this in the 12 amp hour will allow the mower to run quite a bit longer.
Run time is determined by the amp/hour not the "Power" of a battery, you can have two batteries with the same amp/hour but with a different power output.
That's why you sometimes see a 6 amp/hour battery outperform a 12 amp/hour in power but the runtime would be longer on the 12 amp/hour.
Any thang on the lawn mower? I would like to get one but I ain't paying that price I wonder if these batteries will start coming with it and be a little cheaper
Excellent video, guys!
Hi Rob, is this battery better then the dewalt Stack battery? Will you guys be doing a head to head?
That impact test with the 5.0xc vs the forge was too close. Maybe not the best test to show the capability. 6.0 HO vs 6.0 Forge will be the big comparison imo.
Wasn’t that 12.0 vs 6.0 Forge ?
@ConcordCarpenter I believe it was 5 amp also.
@@ConcordCarpenterthat was only for the circular saw. The impact was an XC5.0 because that’s the other kit he said was available. From the looks of them though, I’ll stick to 6.0HO. A tiny increase in tool capability is not worth it.
@@Pennysdad16depends on the tool
Now can we have a 3.0 version for the framing gun?
Good job Rob, and thank you !!!!!
I pre order the forge and i look foward to get my hand on it and start my test
Great review, thank you!
will these forge batteries fit in the blow mold cases we get our tools in?
He they should- seem right size
Fab update thank you Rob. Did they mention progress on smaller sized Forge batteries? I’m a big fan of the High Output 3.0 battery on drills/impact drivers. Any sign of a Forge battery equivalent to that?
I was going to ask. I use the smallest battery on my drywall gun .hell if they can make it even lighter all the better
No they didnt
Is there a runtime difference between the 6 amp forge and the 12 amp HD
Yes 12.0 is double the time. It’s one of there most powerful $250 battery. It’s expensive but worth it
With more power to the impact with forge and higher rpm's and harder hitting what keeps the tool from beating the plastic battery mount to the tool apart over time. My experience is the heavier the battery the worse the beating between the tool & the battery 😢
Also the battery screw holes break out. The sooner I have to replace the battery. At $200 each , ouch to the wallet. 😢
Good engineering
Will there be a 5.0 forge?
I was curious to see what the battery makes it different from others but basically took flex tools recipe. I’m not a fan of cell pouches from swelling but i must be missing what makes this safe to run
They're not cell pouches. They basically kept the cylindrical batteries it's what they call tabless cylindrical. Which means that the connections on the ends of the batteries for their ran in parallel and series together they were always too thin and flimsy to be able to push the amount of power through the cells themselves so they came up with a design that is the best of both worlds between cylindrical and flat cell batteries. If you look at a battery pack you can see the entire length that that energy has to travel through the entire pack and it takes an enormous amount of energy away with thinner connectors. Think about it as only previous batteries they used a 20 gauge extension cord whereas now they're using a 12 gauge extension cord. So because they have that higher gauge connecting each battery cell they can push more power through it and recharge it faster as opposed to having that little small flimsy connection. I took it for the hyper tough battery from Walmart just to look at the cell pack on it and the connections on those are paper thin Where's my understanding of a forge battery they are massive in comparison.
@@jasoningram2006 really good to know, thank you
Yall compared the 6ah to 12ah saw and then compared 5ah vs 6ah. Why not 6ah vs 12ah again?
At the beginning, did he say “12v power in a smaller size”
Is there a difference in runtime between the 6 and the 12
Of course there is. 12 offers double the run time of a 6 in the same tool under the same load
yes the 12 has longer runtime
But they keep saying the forge 6.0 is the same and equal to the 12 hd in what way? The hd batteries all have the same power but different runtimes in that category. So enter forge. Same power but half the runtime just like the 6 hd it seems
@@ConcordCarpenterthanks, I need longer runtime for the blower.
Their was a time where everyone was going higher voltage route. Now they are back to low voltage high current batteries.
$249 charger? Ok Redheads, time to demonstrate your allegiance to the brand! 😂
Seems fair seeing as it’s going to charged tens of thousands of dollars worth of batteries over its lifetime. I want it already and I have absolutely no use for it 😂
What’s wrong with $249?
@@wendellgreenidge3362 a charger was, at one time, just part of a kit. Now they’re being marketed as high-dollar accessories, and VERY high margin too; there’s probably less than $10 worth of parts in that thing.
If you are willing to pay then I’m the one who’s wrong. 😉
@superspeeder If that thing is 15 minutes to 80%, that means charge currents of 20A or so, with 2 bays so this thing is a 40A 21V charger. That means it has a 900-1000W switchmode PSU. That is VERY expensive to produce.
@@procrastinator1842 twice as much as Makita’s dual rapid charger? No. More expensive, yes, very slightly. A 1000W supply might cost 20% more to manufacture than a 500W supply. Economies of scale.
This is an exciting time For power tools. Can't wait to see what Makita comes out with.
Brown 18volt camping tools no one asked for and a new 40volt battery line that's not backwards compatible with 18volt which no one asked for either. I gotta give it up to Milwaukee for continually improving the M18 line
Milwaukee battery pack naming.
CP, CP High Output, XC, XC High Output, XC Forge, High Output HD. Standard Charger, Rapid Charger, Super Charger.
Did Milwaukee say if the forge battery would give more power to all fuel tools thanks great video
Yes they will
Thank you Rob for the answer. Good videos keep um coming
Lol. Prices are getting pretty steep. Glad I’m only in cordless for drills ,drivers and impacts. Can get a decent compact generator for the price of a few batteries and a charger and just run the tried and true corded tools.
This looks like some really cool technology for the Milwaukee guys. I'm on the yellow stuff so I won't get to enjoy it. I would like to eventually acquire a couple of the DeWalt pouch style batteries. I have plenty of good batteries so I still can't justify the expense. I have a 9Ah battery that came with my 60V saw and a 6Ah that came with the 999 drill when I need more power. The small pouch battery would be really nice for my impact driver, and the drill also.
You all have lost your minds $200 for a battery with a 3yr warranty.
It's not for backyard hobbyists. It's built for professionals. It will be a tax write off and worthy investment to have more available power ,faster charging meaning it works faster ,charges faster which equals money in the bank baby boy.
@@jamesozment1 That doesn't even make good business sense when you can buy one half that price with a LIFETIME warranty. Works faster if you're doing that much where seconds adds to minutes and hours common sense tells me to go corded. But hey that's just me. I'll keep what I have until someone starts making the tools in the USA.
Well this is quite expensive just for the charger. People like me that won’t necessarily need this or benefit from faster charging times most likely won’t get it. i built a collection of Milwaukee tools but as far as brand loyal they’re out of their minds if they think regular folks will jump on this. I can respect that it’s more tailored to mechanics and your everyday worker that depends on their tools to get the job done but for a person that just has a garage with tools, we’re good thanks. Nice to see tech evolving though & eventually it’ll be cheaper
250 for charger and 199for a 6ah 450
Thanks for the tutorial Rob!
I prefer to spend my $ on more older/cheaper batteries and multiple slow chargers.
Being lighter will definitely be an advantage when i need more chargers though.
Early 90's Ridgid had vents in their 18/24 nicad batteries, with a fan that pulled air between the cells for fast charging.
That's how Makita chargers work.
The 12Ah is more expensive that’s this one. Hopefully it lasts as long for a lower price.
It has the same power. But will last half ... Meaning if your 12 AH last 20 minutes, that new 6 AH battery will last 10 ... There's another thing that needs to be proven ... For other companies, cylindrical batteries will last 1500 charges while pouch batteries last 2500. We will see. As far as I am concerned, Milwaukee's 12 Ah last roughly 3 to 5 years. max.
tabless next year huh, interesting. Glad to see the new forge battery but I wished they made it in a 12 ah
That’s crazy I wish I had gotten makita instead of Milwaukee 😂 red, yellow or blue, all the same
Facking hell you have aged faster than Bill Belichick
12ah 9,06s
6ah Forge 7,69s
Why didn't they give that man an apron, or hook it up to the vacuum?
I'm calling bs on the aluminum board wicking away heat. Thing can do jack against the type of heat generated by that pack.
Do they degrade in high temperature work environments like the last generation of lithium ion batteries?
I really don't care about how much more power it can deliver if my $249 battery is degraded from 3 months of use on jobs in central valley heat.
You CANNOT have fast charge and long battery life. As usual, Milwaukee promises big with their batteries and, in the end, they’ll fail. I’ve had numerous 12ah and 8ah and MX fails. They get too hot and then their chargers make them even hotter. Makita XGT does it best. Makita priorities saving their batteries and tools.
Milwaukee is held back by its volatile, too. That’s one of the main reasons XGT and other 36v platforms are cooler. Amps cause heat and when you have half the voltage (18v), you have no choice but to pump a lot more amps to compete with the 36v tools of the world. I appreciate that Milwaukee is trying to keep their platform alive but so is Makita. Makita hasn’t killed their LXT platform in the slightest but added the XGT for tools that would benefit from the higher voltage. Milwaukee needs to do the same.
Oh, and one more thing, a 6ah battery does NOT have the same power of a 12ah battery. Different amps, different power. More marketing BS. Milwaukee is turning to more and more marketing BS to maximize profits.
I have about $30k in Milwaukee tools. Many of them are getting swapped for Makita XGT.
Several of my 6ah and 12ah gave out at the 2 year mark. Took them into a local authorized repair shop. By the serial number they were 3 1/2 years old and since i couldn't find the receipts....the joke is on me......
I DON'T TRUST MILWAUKEE OR HOME DEPOT ANYMORE.
Why....why would i take a chance on this forge battery? I took a loss well over $1000 on these old batteries they sold to home depot.
I've bought quite a few Flex brand tools lately. Their batteries don't get as hot during use and stay very cool during charging. No problems with any Flex batteries or tools so far.
Milwaukee can keep their $250 charger and their untested forge batteries and shove them up their backside SIDEWAYS and without valseline...
Sounds like your microphones are broken
We had. The adjustment too high for room noise- sorry
Didn’t say if it was going to work with previous generations tool from what i understand you need to buy the new version to get the full power kind of a apple move
Backwards compatible
WoW a Stacked Lithium battery, what will Milwaukee think of next .... 😂🤣😂 and by the way DeWalts New High Torque 1/2" Impact Wrench has 1,700 ftlbs. of torque with their old ass 5.0ah battery..... 😅🤣😂
I don't see the difference. 9 seconds and forge 8.5 seconds. but the voice of wow probably creates an acceleration effect😅 привет из России
Hopefully these won’t shit the bed like the 8 and 12 HO batteries!
If the life of the battery is 3 times more then yes but has anyone proved that yet
I call BS at 6:25. The extra power is from the extra amp draw available. Not some computer talking to the battery.
Explain to me how you’re making that assumption you’re just pulling explanations out of your hat ?
@@PelleBleuhe's correct it's just higher output not some complicated micro chip BS. it's impressive that they can produce the same or slightly more power out of a smaller battery
The employee is probably just repeating some PR marketing bs. If these tools are so smart, I wonder what they think when you use another brand battery with an adapter. It might be so confused right?
@@PelleBleu based on previous models unaware of this tech, battery adapters, my knowledge of electricity (pretty good), the way the sales man answered the question. It’s just a hunch. I just think it’s BS.
Does anyone remember when Milwaukee tried to convince everyone that battery size didn’t matter to tool output? It wasn’t that long ago they tried to say a 2.0 was the same as a 4.0, the larger battery just gave us longer run times. Lol. Now the marketing has flipped 180 and their main event is now centered on more powerful batteries!
...you mean when other companies started pushing higher voltage battery platforms, requiring new tools to be bought? Yeah, I remember that.
M18 still exists 10+ years later - and many are best in class. Not to mention that there are ~15 year old tools out there that can keep going using these brand new batteries.
Yep I do - 15 plus years of best in class….. they’re doing something right my friend
@@Justin-C Don't forget Milwaukee's v28.
Y’all are getting played… the faster and hotter and battery gets (charging/not charging) kill it’s lifespan. ie you want to charge lithium ion layered batteries slow and low. Heat is the killer can take the battery from 500 recharges to 400.
I like my Milwaukee tools, but this sales talk is telling me nothing about the technology behind these new batteries. It's just the sales barkers promoting products that most of them have no real idea how it works. If they want us to buy it, stop treating us like a bunch of idiots, and tell us how it works.
Are these batteries fully backward compatible with other M18 Milwaukee tools? If not it’s obv it’s a cash grab to force ppl to buy new tools.
So we are talking $449 for just one 6ah battery and the super charger. The economy is all messed up and you guys expect us to shell out what for many is an entire paycheck for A battery and charger. You all have lost your minds. This battery is not going to last forever and as of now Milwaukee has a sketchy track record with their high output batteries. I'm not trying to be the guinea pig at $445. That cost more than my framing nailer! Also, look at that real world speed increase what was that? 5 maybe 8%?
Batteries are not cheap. I realize that. But the prices they're asking these days is just ludicrous. I'm not just getting on Milwaukee. Makita's prices are up there too especially on their 40 volt line. I'm just saying we need to get these things down to like 60 to 70 at the most. Slapp in a charger and it should be no more $120 because that's really all most are willing to spend on batteries.
Prueba más estúpida🤔🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ una batería XC de 5ah VS la nueva tecnologia de 6ah y la diferencia son unos milisegundos y que tal VS la Higt Ouput de 6ah 🤔🤔🤔 supongo que no habría ningúna diferencia. 🤔
if they would just make their batteries with one button release instead of the two side button release.. horrible design
I agree the 2 button release can be awkward at times
15 year old tech finally making it to power tools...SMH.
Not a Milwaukee fan. Have very few of their tools. Sort of known for power over finesse. I personally don't get on with their ergonomics. New batteries. New chargers. Much higher prices. Will it all work. Dewalt made all sorts of claims for Powerstack. Frankly crap. The biggest breakthrough will come when we get rid of Lithium batteries. Completely different battery medium. They are out there. Hopefully becoming more practical all the time. Until then companies will continue to squeeze the last dregs out of this technology. With small improvements. Or complete failures, like the Dewalt.
Ojalá y no sea puro mercadeo, por ejemplo la Higt Ouput de 12ah es una porquería y un absoluto fracaso ya qué esa porquería no sirve.
Milwaukee batteries were garbage.
Is this battery any good?
Yeah but he doesn't mention that fast charging ruins your battery
These are lithium, not nicad ,
@BenJamin-ou7kd Fast charging ruins lithium what planet do you on
Not with cooling
@ConcordCarpenter It still does cooling only helps when you have used the battery and it's warm regular chargers won't charge the battery right away you have to wait till it cools down even the fan ones don't start charging right away either but the fan cools the battery quicker and once it deemed cool enough it will start charging don't listen to Milwaukee salesman they lie right through their teeth there's is the first and most powerful
It fast charges to 80% then slows down for the remaining 20%. Your battery should be fine.