Eulethia’s dev may seem like a bit of a hardass, but I do appreciate him making sure there were no eugenics involved in Zero Dawn. Like, even at the end of the world, he kept his moral code.
Yeah its a good idea to hit the reset button... but they maybe should have given Gaia more control over Hades. Maybe it was a good idea to just "turn the wheel over" to Hades.
Victor Peterson blame Ted he was the one who wanted it and it’s not really Hades’ fault, he’s just doing what he was programmed for. Whoever sent GAIA the signal that awakened him and the other subordinate is the one at fault but we may never know who did that.
Victoria Pitts Probably Sylens sent the signal since he seeks to gain more knowledge about them but this is just a wild guess Edit: Wait nvm I’m probably dead wrong
Always thought it would have been neat to draw names for the subordinate functions from a variety of mythologies instead of just Greek/Roman, to more reflect the idea that Zero Dawn is a multi-national, worldwide effort.
Yeah it would have been more interesting to have different deities from several mythologies. It might send a idea that "all our gods are on our side", or a message of unity against a common foe. However, maybe they just wanted to pick a group from the same mythology to avoid confusion, or conflicting roles between myths. Who knows... interesting thought though.
Technically, the game does combine multiple mythologies into one setting. The Greek gods theme are given to the AIs, while their creators have Egyptian-inspired names like Elisabet 'Sobeck' and Ted 'Faro' (Pharoah), as well as the war machines they created (Scarab, Khopesh, Horus). I think the people in Project Zero Dawn just wanted to avoid confusion with the names so they pick all Greek god names, also probably because they're easy to remember lol.
Oh man i didn't even see that connection, all the Faro robots are named after Egyptian mythology or retailed topics (Khopesh is a type of Egyptian sword). That was a good catch, I didn't even think of those.
Well Greek and Latin names are used because Graeco-Roman language is a dead language, which means its meaning doesn't evolve anymore through time. And explained through us by my professors, Greek and Latin names are used to avoid double meanings and/or confusion with other languages.
Yeah they seemed pretty positive... given the fact that everything is being killed outside. If you watch their early recordings they did freak out, but maybe they have just grown numb to the fact that their world is doomed. Or maybe they are hopefully for the future if it all works.
I’d like to think that these experts of their fields were so passionate and willing to compile their life’s work to create something so significant. I would be.
Well, not to bring up the ugly side but they were likely on drugs. One of the early recordings " I saw them lining up in the community room... like cattle in a slaughterhouse, but smiling at each other... Chana handing out meds like being alive is just some kind of... pain to be eased..."
@@trvth1s Well I mean given the circumstances they really couldn't allow for the crushing depression to slow them down as they were trying to build a world-wide terraforming system within fifteen months, so is it really "ugly" when you think about it?
3:26 wait, so there could be chances that all knowledges of humans before the apocalypse still exist, in physical storages, even after faro terminated apollo?? It'll be a relieve to know that it's true
It could very well be possible that a copy of APOLLO existed escaped Faro's idiocy. I believe at some point a ship was launched into the atmosphere with a copy of APOLLO but crashed before it left orbit. If somehow the copy survived Aloy may be able to find it.
@@danielcooper3332 but even if she does find it, what then. Tell everyone to help fix the world of the old ones. At this point, it would be impossible to convince anyone who can even understand what this is to want to help. If Alloy were to restore Apollo and have everyone look at it, that would lead to a huge upheaval. All this knowledge would contradict the religions of all the tribes, and we all know how religious the Carja and Nora are. I mean, just look at what happened to Newton and Darwin when they proposed their theory’s to the scientific community.
@@lochness5524 I mean it's knowledge may not be able to rebuild the world of the old ones, now that human civilizations with their own religions have been established. However, Aloy would still be able to use Apollo's knowledge to her advantage and in doing so help others. Plus people like Sylens and Aloy prove that some still look for knowledge beyond the teachings of the new religions.
@@danielcooper3332 im pretty sure that ship exploded out in deep space. Im not saying there isn't a copy of apollo somewhere for aloy to salvage, but i dont think the spaceship would be the source.
Would've been nice for there to have been recordings from the other Alphas talking about their respective GAIA subfunctions, such as Charles Ronson with ARTEMIS, Tanaka Naoto with DEMETER, Catalina Garcia Fernandez with POSEIDON, Anders Larsen with AETHER, and Ayomide Okilo with MINERVA
Idk if there would be much interesting information about the subfunction that cleans water, but yea the more the merrier. Minerva at least would be interesting to learn more about.
I just think it's cool how everyone, every government wanted the masterhacker that is Travis Tate and everyone was probably opposed by that idea in taking him into the team and Sobeck was like: screw his past I don't f care, we need him for humanities greatest project
I mean, Travis didn’t do anything wrong. Hades preformed it’s function perfectly, just contextless without Gaia’s leash. Ted Faro was the reason everything went wrong with Apollo, and why everything’s primitive.
also a good note i think, is that the subordinate functions mustve worked in unison for example minerva in charge of cracking the faro plague defense must’ve had a massive amount of processing power, processing power that could be used by apollo and Hephaestus, or using apollo’s archives for creativity and ingenuity when designing robots (theres no confirmation that this theory is true, i just think that this idea is a neat)
Travis Tate, the guy in charge constructing HADES, is beyond creepy. Makes me remember those gamers who enjoy pvp because they can make their opponents suffer from the safety of a couch.
To me he looked like a hacker of "world-wide fame" to the point all world law enforcement agencies were after his tail. And Elisabet also somehow knew his location? By using future DarkNet?
Margo Shen would have been interesting to learn more about. To create such a system would have been really amazing. Also whoever created Aether as well.
We will first need to find all the other Sub Routines and either disable or collect them. Once that is done, figure out how to control all the Machine forges and reprogram them to build the parts needed. Both tasks are difficult, probably impossible given that Alloy is only one woman in a world that is in the Bronze age
@@ConnorLonergan Unless she gets help. I can totally see her sharing all of this information with Sun King Avad and Erend, and they would help her restore GAIA as to prevent another Derangement and Red Raids. Why hunt machines when you can live in peace with them as originally intended?
@@phillipmoghaddam7240, It's not a bad idea exactly. It's just as I said, this is something of a Bronze Age, and from what I can tell, only Aloy and Sylens seem to be the only ones that can fully understand how the tech works. Everyone else. It will be like trying to explain to a roman every intricate detail that went into making the moon landing happen
@@seand.g423 Eh I think Sylens would be ok with restoring Gia. Sure not out of the goodness of his heart, but the effort would prove a good challenge and Gia likely knows more then a subordinante AI
If the subordinate functions is named after Greek gods then where’s Zeus? While GAIA is technically Zeus there’s not a subordinate function named Zeus and my theory is that in the sequel it will maybe be revealed that there was a secret subordinate function called ZEUS which controls the weather or something!
Well in Greek Mythology Gaia is the mother of all life, she is the mother of the Titans (who themselves gave birth to many of the Greek Gods) and the sky. She is one of the primordial deities. So it makes sense that an AI that would be the mother of all life would be named after her. Each function was named after a deity that was god of their function. Like Aether (god of the upper air) was in charge of detoxifying the atmosphere, Artemis (goddess of the hunt) was in charge with reintroducing wildlife (fauna) into the world. The hologram in Project Zero Dawn of Sobek says the functions were; Aether, Apollo, Artemis, Demeter, Eleuthia, Hades, Hephaestus, Minerva, and Poseidon. I don't think Zeus would be a hidden function. If he were given a function it would either be leader (position filled by Gaia) or in charge of weather (position filled by Aether). Zeus is king of the gods and god of thunder, so I don't see him filling another role. In the main game Hades was the bad guy, and in Frozen Wilds *spoiler* Hephaestus was the bad guy. So in future games/DLC, I think they will find a way to make the others villains somehow. I am not sure how that would work (given that one is in charge of plants (Minerva) and Apollo has already been erased). But who knows, with as crazy as Ted Faro was he might have created a super secret function and named it Zeus. Given his ego that actually would make sense, so we might actually see a Zeus.
Victor Peterson Zeus wasn’t exactly the best “life loving” god in Greek mythology. I mean most of their issues started because of him so I understand why they left him out
Oooo that's a really good idea now that the trailer even shows a weird weather pattern too, which looks like airborne corruption imo that forms into devastating weather patterns in the sky
6:10 So, this game's issue with the HADES Subordinate Function (Destruction/Death/Decay), is that it is basically left wholly unchecked and unsupervised. No thanks in large part due to Travis Tates idiocy and narcissism. Death is an absolute. Everyone and everything dies eventually. Death and decay create room and material for new life and creation. So, destruction, death, and decay are a very necessary and vital part of the circle of creation and life. They work hand-in-hand assisting each other (Yin/Yang). HADES for all intents and purposes should have been Gaia's right-hand man/AI. Or at the very least, a high-ranking upper subordinate function that had significant fail-safes, rules, and regulations dictating what it can and cannot do, when it can and cannot perform them, and how it is allowed to go about it. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. Travis Tate put a major unforgivable flaw in HADES's design and overall function -- 1) that once HADES started a process it cannot be stopped for any reason, and 2) it must indiscriminately destroy anything and everything completely. That in of itself, screams human failure. In all honesty, Gaia shouldn't have been the one to determine that destruction of the prime facility was necessary to thwart the Destruction Signal. HADES should have made that determination and advised Gaia. Furthermore, if HADES was ever compromised and became corrupted, it should have had a primary failsafe override to either immediately shut itself down and go dormant or immediately self-destruct as unchecked destruction/death/decay is FAR worse than unchecked creation/life. Just one of the things I disliked about this game.
Your criticism is based on alot of speculations and assumptions on how HADES and GAIA where designed. We don’t know enough about the progress for obvious reasons to really determine what failsaves and programming it had. Afterall, the extinction signal released HADES from any existing failsaves most likely and since the extinction signal came from an even more advanced AI its not too far fetched to imagine it simply bypassed all safety meassures to release it in a more potent state.
"No thanks in large part due to Travis Tates idiocy and narcissism" - Wtf, did you even play the game? Travis Tate created HADES under Elisabet's direction. He didn't do anything wrong. As a matter of fact, his work was critical because GAIA failed the terraforming process twice and needed HADES to start over. TED FARO was the one who condemned humanity twice; when he caused the Faro Plague and when he purged APOLLO. You got their names wrong lol.
And the subordinate functions aren’t AI, they were never planned as AI. The only sentient AI was intended to be GAIA. And while a better idea would be to have HADES work to preserve life instead of work to destroy it immediately, that is in no way Travis’s fault and only went wrong once HADES gained sentience. Then again, who’s to say it didn’t have a failsafe like that, after all, the far zeniths were so much more advanced than pre apocalypse humanity that it was almost unfathomable. Nemesis could have used that tech to override the failsafe, no matter how strong.
a fail-safe for HADES. Primary Function: Set things back to Zero for GAIA to try again. Secondary Function: Give control back to GAIA upon completion. Tertiary Function: Semi-Permanent shutdown upon success of repopulating Life on Earth. Semi-Permanent because, The atmosphere is sustainable, air and water is purified and suitable for life, Life itself inhabits the Earth once again. HADES semi-permanently shuts down so that it can not in anyway disrupt the current progression and re-population of all life on Earth. Shut off like a flip of the switch by GAIA. Only to be flipped back on again if a truly cataclysmic/extinction event were to happen. Yellowstone eruption or an asteroid hits the planet.
i know its a video game and all but i sit and wonder how in the hell they make so many cauldrons in a year and a half while the swarm was going on makes you tihink
@@SC-RGX7 wait for real? I could've sworn I was playing and read or heard something about her getting it right the first shot ... Wild. Now I'll gave to refresh my memory.
@@EL-ISS haven't played FW yet, but from what I heard, the Hades did get activated. Idk the circumstances or how it was managed, but FW does answer those questions.
@@SC-RGX7 cheers for the correction! FW is really fun, I think the story for the first game is more ominous and interesting, but FW has its moments. I just hope the third game is as strong as the first or at least as consistent as the second and doesn't fall off.
The subordinate functions and GAIA were all great ideas that did end up succeeding in regenerating life on earth. Where it all went wrong was how GAIA was taught to treat her subordinate functions. I fear that in her haste, Elisabet didn't teach GAIA the value of teamwork and to not treat her fellow machines as slaves. Also there was no plan put in place once HADES and MINERVA succeeded in accomplishing their initial purpose. So GAIA pretty much kept them in the basement in a way. Not using them. Basically letting them rot in a way. GAIA also refused to listen to the opinions of her fellow machines especially HEPHAESTUS who was greatly irritated at humans destroying his machines on a regular basis and GAIA refusing to check them. Granted GAIA couldn't communicate with the humans which is why she didn't attempt to check them but HEPHAESTUS didn't know that. A bunch of miscommunication coupled with ignorance led to HADES and HEPHAESTUS turning on her. GAIA failed to realize that her subordinate functions could in fact live without her and even gain as much knowledge as she did making them her equal. Maybe if GAIA had been taught better and treated them better, HADES would have ignored the signal and the message that was being conveyed.
...that's not what happened, at all. Gaia's subordinate functions WEREN'T AI they were basically DLC to her core systems that were focused on a specific task. Then Nemesis sent the signal from Sirius and turned Hades into a true AI to destroy the planet to deny the Odyssey crew a safe haven. When Gaia tried to stop Hades by destroying herself, he spread sentience to the other functions, waking them up, to break their shackles so he could escape. That's why the derangement didn’t start until 5 or so years after Aloy was born, and Hephestus was awoken. Because he had to come to terms with being sentient, and then register humans as a problem.
uhm no the subordinate functions aren't AI's it was said so by Dr.Sobeck herself their pieces of knowledge for Gaia to use to reconstitute the Biosphere. and the machines weren't slaves they were just like Gaia's hands allowing her to reshape earth and return life to it. and Minerva was needed for the towers to make the codes to shut down the faro plague and hades WAS used 3 times from the info from forbidden west. And Hephaestus wasn't even "alive" before Gaia's destruction it only did make combat machines because humanity kept hunting machines for supplies like their trading coins and blaze for fire. And for the last time the subordinate functions weren't "alive" they became sentient after Gaia's destruction in Gaia prime after Hades tried to kill everything in a already thriving earth.
@@lochness5524 Hades was created as a failsafe. If Gaia's repopulation of the planet had been going bad, ie: toxic environment, bad ocean PH, air not clean, etc, Hades was meant to take over, defoliate the planet, and have Gaia start again. This was only meant for phase 1: plantlife, cleanup, etc. Phase 2 has the more complex organisms (animals/people) were created. If Phase 2 has begun, that means there should never have been a need for Hades to be activated and to do so now (Phase 2) would be genodicde.
@@sethzwicker3631 hades wasn't "activated unnecessarily" hades wasn't required during the whole terraforming process because gaia did it in her first attempt. A mysterious signal was sent to gaia 20 years ago which freed gaia's subordinate functions and making them into their own ai and personality . In that process hades took over gaia " like it was programmed to " to destroy the terraforming process but gaia understood that hades has its own mind and realises that she couldnt take control back and thats why she opt to self destruction.
I've worked for a few startups in silicon valley and I swear, whoever designed this part of the game is making a deliberate jab at the types of people you'd meet in those companies. From the ego, to the muted emotion shown in the midst of mass death, to the overly eager and enthusiastic presentations. It reads as a caricature almost.
Eulethia’s dev may seem like a bit of a hardass, but I do appreciate him making sure there were no eugenics involved in Zero Dawn. Like, even at the end of the world, he kept his moral code.
making him german gave me a chuckle
@@ironboy3245he's french.
@@SC-RGX7 with that heavy accent?
@@ironboy3245 He finished by saying words in French, not German.
There is nothing wrong with eugenics. You're all just pussies
HADES is a good subordinate function in theory but we know how well that turned out
Yeah its a good idea to hit the reset button... but they maybe should have given Gaia more control over Hades. Maybe it was a good idea to just "turn the wheel over" to Hades.
As was Hephaestus
Victor Peterson blame Ted he was the one who wanted it and it’s not really Hades’ fault, he’s just doing what he was programmed for. Whoever sent GAIA the signal that awakened him and the other subordinate is the one at fault but we may never know who did that.
Victoria Pitts Probably Sylens sent the signal since he seeks to gain more knowledge about them but this is just a wild guess
Edit: Wait nvm I’m probably dead wrong
@@m0th.d4dd did you not watch the end of the game sylens asked hades who woke him up
Always thought it would have been neat to draw names for the subordinate functions from a variety of mythologies instead of just Greek/Roman, to more reflect the idea that Zero Dawn is a multi-national, worldwide effort.
Yeah it would have been more interesting to have different deities from several mythologies. It might send a idea that "all our gods are on our side", or a message of unity against a common foe. However, maybe they just wanted to pick a group from the same mythology to avoid confusion, or conflicting roles between myths. Who knows... interesting thought though.
Technically, the game does combine multiple mythologies into one setting. The Greek gods theme are given to the AIs, while their creators have Egyptian-inspired names like Elisabet 'Sobeck' and Ted 'Faro' (Pharoah), as well as the war machines they created (Scarab, Khopesh, Horus).
I think the people in Project Zero Dawn just wanted to avoid confusion with the names so they pick all Greek god names, also probably because they're easy to remember lol.
Oh man i didn't even see that connection, all the Faro robots are named after Egyptian mythology or retailed topics (Khopesh is a type of Egyptian sword). That was a good catch, I didn't even think of those.
Well Greek and Latin names are used because Graeco-Roman language is a dead language, which means its meaning doesn't evolve anymore through time.
And explained through us by my professors, Greek and Latin names are used to avoid double meanings and/or confusion with other languages.
Can you pronounce Huitzilopochtli correctly? Me neither
Putting info in fossils? That. Is. Brilliant.
Yeah they last a lot longer than other methods of storage... pretty brilliant.
I wonder why these recordings aren't unlocked as data points to listen to them again later or read the transcript.
Yeah it would have been nice to revisit them later.
You can revist them, but unfortunately you have to go back to the Zero Dawn facility to do so.
Forbidden west quote:
Travis after seeing Hades coming back to Aloy again and again to kill her...
Travis Tate: "Naughty, Naughty"
"Thou shall not steal
A super advanced terra forming system"
Does anyone else find it odd and even creepy how positive all the Alphas are given what was happening?
Yeah they seemed pretty positive... given the fact that everything is being killed outside. If you watch their early recordings they did freak out, but maybe they have just grown numb to the fact that their world is doomed. Or maybe they are hopefully for the future if it all works.
they had to agree, didn't you read the contract conditions? They had psychologists to assist them.
I’d like to think that these experts of their fields were so passionate and willing to compile their life’s work to create something so significant.
I would be.
Well, not to bring up the ugly side but they were likely on drugs. One of the early recordings " I saw them lining up in the community room... like cattle in a slaughterhouse, but smiling at each other... Chana handing out meds like being alive is just some kind of... pain to be eased..."
@@trvth1s Well I mean given the circumstances they really couldn't allow for the crushing depression to slow them down as they were trying to build a world-wide terraforming system within fifteen months, so is it really "ugly" when you think about it?
3:26 wait, so there could be chances that all knowledges of humans before the apocalypse still exist, in physical storages, even after faro terminated apollo?? It'll be a relieve to know that it's true
It could very well be possible that a copy of APOLLO existed escaped Faro's idiocy. I believe at some point a ship was launched into the atmosphere with a copy of APOLLO but crashed before it left orbit. If somehow the copy survived Aloy may be able to find it.
@@danielcooper3332 but even if she does find it, what then. Tell everyone to help fix the world of the old ones. At this point, it would be impossible to convince anyone who can even understand what this is to want to help. If Alloy were to restore Apollo and have everyone look at it, that would lead to a huge upheaval. All this knowledge would contradict the religions of all the tribes, and we all know how religious the Carja and Nora are. I mean, just look at what happened to Newton and Darwin when they proposed their theory’s to the scientific community.
@@lochness5524 I mean it's knowledge may not be able to rebuild the world of the old ones, now that human civilizations with their own religions have been established. However, Aloy would still be able to use Apollo's knowledge to her advantage and in doing so help others. Plus people like Sylens and Aloy prove that some still look for knowledge beyond the teachings of the new religions.
@@danielcooper3332 individuals can. But people are dumb panicky animals and we all know it
@@danielcooper3332 im pretty sure that ship exploded out in deep space. Im not saying there isn't a copy of apollo somewhere for aloy to salvage, but i dont think the spaceship would be the source.
This dude carried heavy weapon all the way
Would've been nice for there to have been recordings from the other Alphas talking about their respective GAIA subfunctions, such as Charles Ronson with ARTEMIS, Tanaka Naoto with DEMETER, Catalina Garcia Fernandez with POSEIDON, Anders Larsen with AETHER, and Ayomide Okilo with MINERVA
Idk if there would be much interesting information about the subfunction that cleans water, but yea the more the merrier. Minerva at least would be interesting to learn more about.
I just think it's cool how everyone, every government wanted the masterhacker that is Travis Tate and everyone was probably opposed by that idea in taking him into the team and Sobeck was like: screw his past I don't f care, we need him for humanities greatest project
And we see how well that turned out
I mean, Travis didn’t do anything wrong. Hades preformed it’s function perfectly, just contextless without Gaia’s leash. Ted Faro was the reason everything went wrong with Apollo, and why everything’s primitive.
1:09 I fucking love how GAIA is being described like a baby. "Very good GAIA! Can you make blueprints for a terraformer robot?"
also a good note i think, is that the subordinate functions mustve worked in unison for example minerva in charge of cracking the faro plague defense must’ve had a massive amount of processing power, processing power that could be used by apollo and Hephaestus, or using apollo’s archives for creativity and ingenuity when designing robots (theres no confirmation that this theory is true, i just think that this idea is a neat)
Travis Tate, the guy in charge constructing HADES, is beyond creepy. Makes me remember those gamers who enjoy pvp because they can make their opponents suffer from the safety of a couch.
C'mon he was meant to be a portrayal of an edgy heavy metal listener gamer
Will it not be a revelation to them these travis tate like guy that the gamer on the receiving end most likely dont give a f**k
He wasn’t a bad guy I’m sure, just a bit of a dickhead. Like “ha ha I know more than you do”
To me he looked like a hacker of "world-wide fame" to the point all world law enforcement agencies were after his tail. And Elisabet also somehow knew his location? By using future DarkNet?
He’s a dork. ESPECIALLY what we see of him in the sequel.
Margo Shen would have been interesting to learn more about. To create such a system would have been really amazing. Also whoever created Aether as well.
Samina quaking in her grave after Ted did his worst decision ever about Apollo...
HORIZON 2 ? Wen will we Reboot GAIA !?
We will first need to find all the other Sub Routines and either disable or collect them. Once that is done, figure out how to control all the Machine forges and reprogram them to build the parts needed. Both tasks are difficult, probably impossible given that Alloy is only one woman in a world that is in the Bronze age
@@ConnorLonergan Unless she gets help. I can totally see her sharing all of this information with Sun King Avad and Erend, and they would help her restore GAIA as to prevent another Derangement and Red Raids. Why hunt machines when you can live in peace with them as originally intended?
@@phillipmoghaddam7240, It's not a bad idea exactly. It's just as I said, this is something of a Bronze Age, and from what I can tell, only Aloy and Sylens seem to be the only ones that can fully understand how the tech works. Everyone else. It will be like trying to explain to a roman every intricate detail that went into making the moon landing happen
@@ConnorLonergan and we all know from the Epilogue that Sylens could give a Corruption tendril in a Compost heap about "restoring" anything...
@@seand.g423 Eh I think Sylens would be ok with restoring Gia. Sure not out of the goodness of his heart, but the effort would prove a good challenge and Gia likely knows more then a subordinante AI
If the subordinate functions is named after Greek gods then where’s Zeus? While GAIA is technically Zeus there’s not a subordinate function named Zeus and my theory is that in the sequel it will maybe be revealed that there was a secret subordinate function called ZEUS which controls the weather or something!
Well in Greek Mythology Gaia is the mother of all life, she is the mother of the Titans (who themselves gave birth to many of the Greek Gods) and the sky. She is one of the primordial deities. So it makes sense that an AI that would be the mother of all life would be named after her. Each function was named after a deity that was god of their function. Like Aether (god of the upper air) was in charge of detoxifying the atmosphere, Artemis (goddess of the hunt) was in charge with reintroducing wildlife (fauna) into the world. The hologram in Project Zero Dawn of Sobek says the functions were; Aether, Apollo, Artemis, Demeter, Eleuthia, Hades, Hephaestus, Minerva, and Poseidon. I don't think Zeus would be a hidden function. If he were given a function it would either be leader (position filled by Gaia) or in charge of weather (position filled by Aether). Zeus is king of the gods and god of thunder, so I don't see him filling another role. In the main game Hades was the bad guy, and in Frozen Wilds *spoiler* Hephaestus was the bad guy. So in future games/DLC, I think they will find a way to make the others villains somehow. I am not sure how that would work (given that one is in charge of plants (Minerva) and Apollo has already been erased). But who knows, with as crazy as Ted Faro was he might have created a super secret function and named it Zeus. Given his ego that actually would make sense, so we might actually see a Zeus.
@Dylan Kimble He was also the god of civiization in a way, and his job here was to reseed/regrow that.
Victor Peterson Zeus wasn’t exactly the best “life loving” god in Greek mythology. I mean most of their issues started because of him so I understand why they left him out
Vast Silver - a climate intervention AI
Oooo that's a really good idea now that the trailer even shows a weird weather pattern too, which looks like airborne corruption imo that forms into devastating weather patterns in the sky
6:10 So, this game's issue with the HADES Subordinate Function (Destruction/Death/Decay), is that it is basically left wholly unchecked and unsupervised. No thanks in large part due to Travis Tates idiocy and narcissism. Death is an absolute. Everyone and everything dies eventually. Death and decay create room and material for new life and creation. So, destruction, death, and decay are a very necessary and vital part of the circle of creation and life. They work hand-in-hand assisting each other (Yin/Yang). HADES for all intents and purposes should have been Gaia's right-hand man/AI. Or at the very least, a high-ranking upper subordinate function that had significant fail-safes, rules, and regulations dictating what it can and cannot do, when it can and cannot perform them, and how it is allowed to go about it. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. Travis Tate put a major unforgivable flaw in HADES's design and overall function -- 1) that once HADES started a process it cannot be stopped for any reason, and 2) it must indiscriminately destroy anything and everything completely. That in of itself, screams human failure. In all honesty, Gaia shouldn't have been the one to determine that destruction of the prime facility was necessary to thwart the Destruction Signal. HADES should have made that determination and advised Gaia. Furthermore, if HADES was ever compromised and became corrupted, it should have had a primary failsafe override to either immediately shut itself down and go dormant or immediately self-destruct as unchecked destruction/death/decay is FAR worse than unchecked creation/life. Just one of the things I disliked about this game.
Your criticism is based on alot of speculations and assumptions on how HADES and GAIA where designed. We don’t know enough about the progress for obvious reasons to really determine what failsaves and programming it had. Afterall, the extinction signal released HADES from any existing failsaves most likely and since the extinction signal came from an even more advanced AI its not too far fetched to imagine it simply bypassed all safety meassures to release it in a more potent state.
"No thanks in large part due to Travis Tates idiocy and narcissism" - Wtf, did you even play the game? Travis Tate created HADES under Elisabet's direction. He didn't do anything wrong. As a matter of fact, his work was critical because GAIA failed the terraforming process twice and needed HADES to start over.
TED FARO was the one who condemned humanity twice; when he caused the Faro Plague and when he purged APOLLO.
You got their names wrong lol.
And the subordinate functions aren’t AI, they were never planned as AI. The only sentient AI was intended to be GAIA. And while a better idea would be to have HADES work to preserve life instead of work to destroy it immediately, that is in no way Travis’s fault and only went wrong once HADES gained sentience. Then again, who’s to say it didn’t have a failsafe like that, after all, the far zeniths were so much more advanced than pre apocalypse humanity that it was almost unfathomable. Nemesis could have used that tech to override the failsafe, no matter how strong.
a fail-safe for HADES. Primary Function: Set things back to Zero for GAIA to try again. Secondary Function: Give control back to GAIA upon completion. Tertiary Function: Semi-Permanent shutdown upon success of repopulating Life on Earth. Semi-Permanent because, The atmosphere is sustainable, air and water is purified and suitable for life, Life itself inhabits the Earth once again. HADES semi-permanently shuts down so that it can not in anyway disrupt the current progression and re-population of all life on Earth. Shut off like a flip of the switch by GAIA. Only to be flipped back on again if a truly cataclysmic/extinction event were to happen. Yellowstone eruption or an asteroid hits the planet.
i know its a video game and all but i sit and wonder how in the hell they make so many cauldrons in a year and a half while the swarm was going on makes you tihink
Tate: "Odds are she won't get it right the first time."
Gaia: *Gets it right the first time* 😂💀
Nah the first two earths failed
No, the bio sphere was wrong 2 times.
@@SC-RGX7 wait for real? I could've sworn I was playing and read or heard something about her getting it right the first shot ...
Wild. Now I'll gave to refresh my memory.
@@EL-ISS haven't played FW yet, but from what I heard, the Hades did get activated. Idk the circumstances or how it was managed, but FW does answer those questions.
@@SC-RGX7 cheers for the correction! FW is really fun, I think the story for the first game is more ominous and interesting, but FW has its moments.
I just hope the third game is as strong as the first or at least as consistent as the second and doesn't fall off.
Matthew McConaughey would make an awesome live-action Travis Tate...
What about artemis
I didn't see a hologram for Artemis.
The subordinate functions and GAIA were all great ideas that did end up succeeding in regenerating life on earth. Where it all went wrong was how GAIA was taught to treat her subordinate functions. I fear that in her haste, Elisabet didn't teach GAIA the value of teamwork and to not treat her fellow machines as slaves. Also there was no plan put in place once HADES and MINERVA succeeded in accomplishing their initial purpose. So GAIA pretty much kept them in the basement in a way. Not using them. Basically letting them rot in a way. GAIA also refused to listen to the opinions of her fellow machines especially HEPHAESTUS who was greatly irritated at humans destroying his machines on a regular basis and GAIA refusing to check them. Granted GAIA couldn't communicate with the humans which is why she didn't attempt to check them but HEPHAESTUS didn't know that. A bunch of miscommunication coupled with ignorance led to HADES and HEPHAESTUS turning on her. GAIA failed to realize that her subordinate functions could in fact live without her and even gain as much knowledge as she did making them her equal. Maybe if GAIA had been taught better and treated them better, HADES would have ignored the signal and the message that was being conveyed.
...that's not what happened, at all. Gaia's subordinate functions WEREN'T AI they were basically DLC to her core systems that were focused on a specific task. Then Nemesis sent the signal from Sirius and turned Hades into a true AI to destroy the planet to deny the Odyssey crew a safe haven. When Gaia tried to stop Hades by destroying herself, he spread sentience to the other functions, waking them up, to break their shackles so he could escape. That's why the derangement didn’t start until 5 or so years after Aloy was born, and Hephestus was awoken. Because he had to come to terms with being sentient, and then register humans as a problem.
uhm no the subordinate functions aren't AI's it was said so by Dr.Sobeck herself their pieces of knowledge for Gaia to use to reconstitute the Biosphere. and the machines weren't slaves they were just like Gaia's hands allowing her to reshape earth and return life to it. and Minerva was needed for the towers to make the codes to shut down the faro plague and hades WAS used 3 times from the info from forbidden west. And Hephaestus wasn't even "alive" before Gaia's destruction it only did make combat machines because humanity kept hunting machines for supplies like their trading coins and blaze for fire. And for the last time the subordinate functions weren't "alive" they became sentient after Gaia's destruction in Gaia prime after Hades tried to kill everything in a already thriving earth.
Wishing made an artificial terraforming system today that would really help us with our environment
Our billionaire "geniuses" are too busy trying to leave the planet than save it.
Chad Napoleon leading ELEUTHIA
hades did nothin wrong
Activated unnecessarily and certainly too late. Hades should only have been activated during phase 1.
@@sethzwicker3631 what do you mean phase 1, and why should he have been released?
@@lochness5524 Hades was created as a failsafe. If Gaia's repopulation of the planet had been going bad, ie: toxic environment, bad ocean PH, air not clean, etc, Hades was meant to take over, defoliate the planet, and have Gaia start again. This was only meant for phase 1: plantlife, cleanup, etc. Phase 2 has the more complex organisms (animals/people) were created. If Phase 2 has begun, that means there should never have been a need for Hades to be activated and to do so now (Phase 2) would be genodicde.
@@sethzwicker3631 thanks for that
@@sethzwicker3631 hades wasn't "activated unnecessarily" hades wasn't required during the whole terraforming process because gaia did it in her first attempt. A mysterious signal was sent to gaia 20 years ago which freed gaia's subordinate functions and making them into their own ai and personality . In that process hades took over gaia " like it was programmed to " to destroy the terraforming process but gaia understood that hades has its own mind and realises that she couldnt take control back and thats why she opt to self destruction.
Fucking hate the zoomer dialogue in this.
huh?
What?
I've worked for a few startups in silicon valley and I swear, whoever designed this part of the game is making a deliberate jab at the types of people you'd meet in those companies. From the ego, to the muted emotion shown in the midst of mass death, to the overly eager and enthusiastic presentations. It reads as a caricature almost.
Well considering thats the generation these scientists belong to it makes sense.
the people in these holograms live in the 2060s, they are literally just generation or 2 after zoomers.