General Herres and the other Generals who agreed to his plan will have there names be carried on to the future as the people who sentenced humanity to absolute death. But also saved our Planet and the future of our civilization. General Herres might be... the most Legendary Heroic Madlad a fiction story might ever create. Steadfast, heroic and knew his mission from the end to the start. He didn't even retreat to the Bunkers. He stood his ground with the other Generals and soldiers till the last moment.
A perfect opposite. He owned his mistakes, and felt guilt even for things he should’ve seen as great triumphs. Faro only ever cared about his image, how it affected him personally.
@@TheCorrodedMan The real life parallel would be either Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg. I know a lot of people would want to throw Elon Musk on that list, but I think hes proved he does not care what others think of him. Also, hes TRYING to make Gaia. Not War Robots, makes him more of a Sobek if you ask me............................... perhaps her grandfather?
The ends definitely justified the means. He did what he had to do to preserve life, and no matter what he may have thought, he was and always will be a hero. In my eyes, and certainly in Sobecks. God speed, General Harris. May you rest easy.
That last sentence of the video hits hard; The soft sob in his apology, and the emphasis on omitting his title as ‘General’ as he signs off. It’s a wonderful way to cement his sincerity of accountability; He wasn’t just a Top Brass uniform, he was a Human Being who held the burden of sending - quite literally - the entire world to march towards its Death for the sake of Life, Drafting *the entire population of the planet* into a war that it could never win, he knew it had to be done but even more importantly: He refused to justify or forgive himself for it despite the necessity of his decisions. Very impressive narration and writing for this game. Probably one of my favourites for the rest of my life.
Yeah, you can hear the genuine grief in his voice. It was honorable for him to take full responsibility for his actions, and not try to deflect the blame or make excuses for his decisions. For better, or for worse, he took full responsibility for his actions and made sure that people in the future would know the full extent of his culpability in the downfall of humanity. He didn't try to cover it up or hide it, like Ted Farro did. Yeah this is probably one of my favorite story lines in a long time. I hope they make more games like this, to continue the story. So much story left to tell...
I loved the game for its mechanics and visuals alone, but this was the stuff that bolstered a total love of the entire thing. I can’t remember the last time a game narrative had this kind of effect on me.
Yeah it is rare these days to get such a good story from a game. It leaves a lasting impression. I haven't gotten so involved in a game since the Mass Effect Trilogy.
the only recent games that have a really good narrative i found was 'A Way Out' and 'Detroit: Become Human' but they have nothing on the story that this game has
Can we just pause for a moment and appreciate Toby Longworth's voice acting during that last signoff? That subtle break and obvious tears as the full weight of what he had presided over comes crashing down on him.
There are two types of American people Ted Faro who wiped out Apollo to ensure nobody remembers how be was responsible for his catastrophic failure And General Harris who recorded a testimony of his "crime" of giving people hope for a future and the overwhelming guilt he felt that he didn't want to go forgotten.
That reveal on the truth about Project Zero Dawn still gives me goosebumps. I really hope when this series is over General Herres will be given the honor that he deserves. Such a brilliant character.
Imagine the weight he must have felt on his shoulders. The knowledge that he was sending people to their deaths based on a lie, but a lie that needed to be told to stave off despair. He took on the responsibility of Ted Faro's mistake, and did so without hesitation, knowing that some might consider him the greatest butcher to have ever existed. Was he bitter at how history might have treated him? No. Instead he asked the understanding and forgiveness from generations yet to come. He didn't shirk his responsibility. Not till the last moments of his life. He could have retreated with the scientists to Zero Dawn, but he would have never have forgiven himself. Nor do I think he would have lived with all the lives he had sacrificed. Instead he waited for the end to come with what remained U.S Robotics Command. He would share the final moments of those still serving under him and hopefully offer up some comfort in knowing that the common soldier hadn't been abandoned by their commander.
He was an honourable man who faced his sins head on. But he's not to blame, that honour is for Ted Farro alone that snake oil salesman led the general and many others to this apocalypse. Farro killed everything and everyone and the took out Apollo, all by his ego alone. Hell of a villain, hell of a story. Love this game.
Yeah Ted's arrogance and narcissism led to the downfall of humanity, but General Herres made the best of a bad situation. I really enjoyed the story as well.
It never ceases to piss me off whenever I see anything to do with Zero Dawn. That bastard murdered us, then he had the nerve to declare that he knew what was best for our descendants?! I could punch a wall, it gets me so angry
Reminds me of admiral Hackett of Mass Effect, when he said, in ME3, he has presided over the most devastating military defeat in human history againts the Reapers... Both knew it was a dirty and blody job, both did it and accept full responsability for it in the name of a greater good.
Herres doesn't get enough credit in the story imo if Elizabet and by extension Aloy are the female heroes Herres is definitely the Male hero of the story. I can't even imagine having to bear the weight of those lies and the mistakes of a piece of garbage like Faro all so that humanity could maybe have a future. He did it bravely, with selflessness and with the greatest of honor. It saddens me that he had to be haunted by such guilt by the end all for doing what was necessary to save humanity. I guess it shows the contrast between him and someone like Faro that he was someone with enough humanity and goodness in him to feel that guilt and to even throw himself on the front lines as repentance of sorts when he didn't need to. Where as Faro ran back to hide in Elysium when he wasn't deserving of it and on top of that basically doomed humanity a second time by deleting Apollo to hide his crimes from the future generations. No guilt, no conscience, basically something you can't even call human. Herres is a hero and honestly my favorite character in the game.
One if the things I love about General Herres is his name. Aaron was the brother of Moses who led the Isrealites out of slavery in Egypt. He rescued them from Pharoah. Love the naming connections to mythology.
The information General Aaron presented to the candidates was hella shocking. Consider this: you get contacted and told that you are chosen to help build the solution for the incoming Faro plague. Sure you agree for the worlds sake but your thoughts circulate mostly around your closest family members and friends. Imagine leaving the house, the helicopter awaits you right there on the street in front of your house, you get tons of curious glances from neigbours stepping out of their houses. The military representative hastily helps you fasten the seat belt before take off. And then your wife/daughter/family member/someone you hold dear runs up to you to tell you they believe in you and will await your return after you save the world. With those words ringing in your mind you spend the whole way to facility thinking about their safety. You're determined like never before, you will save them. And once you're finally at place, you are told nobody will be saved. The hope you're presented with is not for you nor the people you care the most personally but for those in the possible future. It breaks your previous mindset and it briefly corners you into this overwhelming state of despair and realization that all those you've left behind will die. You cant help but feel that in their final horrible moments they will feel let down. Of course they wont but you feel you let them down. Chance for the humanity and life on earth? sure, sounds sweet. But the hope for your own world, your friends and family, its gone completely. You fight the urge of coming back to them. You choke it down and decide to develop the Zero Dawn. My, the guts to do this. Incredible, although scary.
I mean a number of the members of the project were essentially kidnapped. When every second counts there's no time to negotiate with the corporations or individual countries that hold their contracts, no reason to give them the option of getting spooked and running off.
That man would probably fight with his man with nothing but a pistol. Or blow himself to stop the Horus from enter RoboCommand. Otherwise the general staff are badass in stopping that thing.
He probably donned a mask, grabbed a great big old rail-gun, charged out into the frontlines and started blasting away till he ran out of ammo. Put more metal in the ground that day than there had ever been before mankind was born, he did
Can't imagine what the last hour at the Grave Hoard was like; no food or water, no sunlight, no *oxygen* (because the sky is gone), limited ammo, and eight robotic squid-centipedes the size of mountains bearing down on your sorry ass.
"I fucked up. I'll become a monster... maybe even more of a monster than I was, to try and fix that. I barely managed. Let history judge me." Beautiful video. Let the general's ideals as AI be the bad guy in future DLC. A mixture of Faro's weakness and his "enduring victory" philosophy. Maybe this time around the whole fist heart brain thing will mean something.
General Herris reminds me a lot of Commander Erwin. Both committed horrific sins, in the name of Humanity. And they both died the way they sent others. Necessary devils, you could say.
He protected earth and its life He may had used billions of humans as sacrifice ... bigger than any leader out there in any wars But it was all for a good end To save life on earth Not ours but in general Sacrifice innocents to save innocent Not like Ted. Ugh (wel he did saved innocent.. the key we use to kill hades is his creation)
Yeah, the typical nuclear apocalypse or asteroid impact scenarios seem merciful in comparison. There is a flash of light, then a blast wave deletes everything in its path. If you survive that phase, then the misery only lasts days or weeks. In HZD, the world looks on in horror for over a year as they get displaced, cornered, and slaughtered at an exponentially-increasing rate by nightmarish robots driven by an unhinged adaptive machine-learning model.
He done nothing wrong, he did what needed to be done. It was that or tell everyone it's hopeless and human nature were had doom project Zero Dawn. And that were had led to whatever order and command left to collapse sooner.
Ted Faro......biggest asshole villain in the history of video games. You think he is the worst ever.....and then, OMFG, he destroys Apollo and kills everyone.
Definitely a big difference throwing millions of bodies to death for ego vs trying to prolong the time the world has left to make something to save the world. The population was dead either way. However I fully get how he would feel that way.
Herres is the antithesis of faro , faro caused the apocalypse because of his hubris and doomed it again by whipping out Apollo because of his shame and ego , herres accepted the inevitable and became the face of doom to give humanity a chance and even if he had no choice and it was the only option he deemed himself guilty of war crime against humanity and compared himself to hitler and khan and made sure people know , truly two pure antithesis, even more , faro tried to become immortal and herres refused to go to the bunkers, just magnificent writing.
I don't know how General Herres even walked, considering he was carrying the biggest balls of steel for taking responcobility of gaslighting the whole planet
I appreciate his sincerity and taking responsibility for his actions, but I don't know if he should necessarily feel guilty. As soon as the Faro swarm went rogue, all life on Earth was effectively given a death sentence. Everyone and everything on Earth was a walking corpse at that point so if you had to choose between people dying and then all life on Earth going extinct forever, or people dying and future life is given a chance, the answer is clear as day.
As he said, he may not have personally sentenced all life to death, but he actively sought out automation of the military. That incentivized corporations like FAS to develop hardware like the Horus and unbreakable software to prevent from being overridden by others.
and then he mostly likely shoot himself as i guess that was his body near the monitor. something that Faro should have done but did the exact opposite. i hope we can finish the job in forbidden west
@@arutka2000 It launched 2 weaks ago already invested 50 hours playing still didn't see what happened to him guess ill find out what happened near the end.
General Aaron Harris had felt extremely guilty of the people who died However, he ended up bitterly regretting his embrace of the complete automation of the U.S. military. When he learned of the Faro Plague and the ability of the robots to instantly hack and commandeer any enemy automaton, he realized that the might of the by-then fully automated U.S. military was utterly powerless against them, and that Zero Dawn was the sole chance that life on Earth had to avoid being eradicated forever.
@doomedbringer but it shows us that he is better than ted faro, but to have his name in the apollo records but he admits to all the things that he's done.
@@Colesign yeah, its a common Sc-Fi trope that Star trek uses a lot; when you want to establish the kind of person a 'future person' is they will name a a number of modern historical or contemporary people first then add the future person. So for example with a Genius Say Zephran Cochrane in Star Trek they would list his name amongst those of Einstein, Newton & Hawking. this example uses terrible murderers and despots to let us know that this Sorabella person was obviously a tyrant and terrible person by linking to terrible people we recognise.
@@aljgp Precisely. This is the same as Picard saying "What if one of those lives I save down there is a child who grows up to be the next Adolf Hitler or Khan Singh?" ('A Matter of Time' S:5, E:9)
General Herres and the other Generals who agreed to his plan will have there names be carried on to the future as the people who sentenced humanity to absolute death. But also saved our Planet and the future of our civilization.
General Herres might be... the most Legendary Heroic Madlad a fiction story might ever create. Steadfast, heroic and knew his mission from the end to the start. He didn't even retreat to the Bunkers. He stood his ground with the other Generals and soldiers till the last moment.
General Herris is the type of man we all envision ourselves to be if we were generals. Honorable, brave, and selfless. The exact opposite of Ted Faro
A perfect opposite. He owned his mistakes, and felt guilt even for things he should’ve seen as great triumphs. Faro only ever cared about his image, how it affected him personally.
@@TheCorrodedMan The real life parallel would be either Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg. I know a lot of people would want to throw Elon Musk on that list, but I think hes proved he does not care what others think of him. Also, hes TRYING to make Gaia. Not War Robots, makes him more of a Sobek if you ask me............................... perhaps her grandfather?
I certainly forgive him.
The ends definitely justified the means. He did what he had to do to preserve life, and no matter what he may have thought, he was and always will be a hero. In my eyes, and certainly in Sobecks.
God speed, General Harris. May you rest easy.
and my blood boil because Ted Faro
That last sentence of the video hits hard; The soft sob in his apology, and the emphasis on omitting his title as ‘General’ as he signs off.
It’s a wonderful way to cement his sincerity of accountability; He wasn’t just a Top Brass uniform, he was a Human Being who held the burden of sending - quite literally - the entire world to march towards its Death for the sake of Life, Drafting *the entire population of the planet* into a war that it could never win, he knew it had to be done but even more importantly: He refused to justify or forgive himself for it despite the necessity of his decisions.
Very impressive narration and writing for this game. Probably one of my favourites for the rest of my life.
Yeah, you can hear the genuine grief in his voice. It was honorable for him to take full responsibility for his actions, and not try to deflect the blame or make excuses for his decisions. For better, or for worse, he took full responsibility for his actions and made sure that people in the future would know the full extent of his culpability in the downfall of humanity. He didn't try to cover it up or hide it, like Ted Farro did.
Yeah this is probably one of my favorite story lines in a long time. I hope they make more games like this, to continue the story. So much story left to tell...
I loved the game for its mechanics and visuals alone, but this was the stuff that bolstered a total love of the entire thing. I can’t remember the last time a game narrative had this kind of effect on me.
Yeah it is rare these days to get such a good story from a game. It leaves a lasting impression. I haven't gotten so involved in a game since the Mass Effect Trilogy.
the only recent games that have a really good narrative i found was 'A Way Out' and 'Detroit: Become Human' but they have nothing on the story that this game has
Can we just pause for a moment and appreciate Toby Longworth's voice acting during that last signoff? That subtle break and obvious tears as the full weight of what he had presided over comes crashing down on him.
There are two types of American people
Ted Faro who wiped out Apollo to ensure nobody remembers how be was responsible for his catastrophic failure
And General Harris who recorded a testimony of his "crime" of giving people hope for a future and the overwhelming guilt he felt that he didn't want to go forgotten.
Chief Hekarro and the Tenakth would love to hear this recordings.
Hekarro would almost certainly feel great empathy for Herres.
If they knew better about the history of the Ten and Anne's speech, then they certainly knew better about Herres too.
That reveal on the truth about Project Zero Dawn still gives me goosebumps. I really hope when this series is over General Herres will be given the honor that he deserves. Such a brilliant character.
Imagine the weight he must have felt on his shoulders. The knowledge that he was sending people to their deaths based on a lie, but a lie that needed to be told to stave off despair. He took on the responsibility of Ted Faro's mistake, and did so without hesitation, knowing that some might consider him the greatest butcher to have ever existed. Was he bitter at how history might have treated him? No. Instead he asked the understanding and forgiveness from generations yet to come. He didn't shirk his responsibility. Not till the last moments of his life. He could have retreated with the scientists to Zero Dawn, but he would have never have forgiven himself. Nor do I think he would have lived with all the lives he had sacrificed. Instead he waited for the end to come with what remained U.S Robotics Command. He would share the final moments of those still serving under him and hopefully offer up some comfort in knowing that the common soldier hadn't been abandoned by their commander.
He shouldered quite the burden, and he did it with dignity and honor. A truly tragic hero figure.
The type of man you'd want to follow. As a veteran, this shit is rare, and I fuckin love this character bc of it.
He was an honourable man who faced his sins head on. But he's not to blame, that honour is for Ted Farro alone that snake oil salesman led the general and many others to this apocalypse.
Farro killed everything and everyone and the took out Apollo, all by his ego alone. Hell of a villain, hell of a story. Love this game.
Yeah Ted's arrogance and narcissism led to the downfall of humanity, but General Herres made the best of a bad situation. I really enjoyed the story as well.
It never ceases to piss me off whenever I see anything to do with Zero Dawn. That bastard murdered us, then he had the nerve to declare that he knew what was best for our descendants?! I could punch a wall, it gets me so angry
And then in the second game you find out what he was doing after destroying Apollo, truly a wonder but is scary there are people like him in reality
Reminds me of admiral Hackett of Mass Effect, when he said, in ME3, he has presided over the most devastating military defeat in human history againts the Reapers... Both knew it was a dirty and blody job, both did it and accept full responsability for it in the name of a greater good.
Poor guy. Nobody should ever have to live with that much guilt.
Nobody except Ted Faro.
@@Lunk42 Have you played FW yet?
Thank the stars in a twisted way he didn't have to live long with that much guilt upon his heart.
Herres doesn't get enough credit in the story imo if Elizabet and by extension Aloy are the female heroes Herres is definitely the Male hero of the story. I can't even imagine having to bear the weight of those lies and the mistakes of a piece of garbage like Faro all so that humanity could maybe have a future. He did it bravely, with selflessness and with the greatest of honor. It saddens me that he had to be haunted by such guilt by the end all for doing what was necessary to save humanity. I guess it shows the contrast between him and someone like Faro that he was someone with enough humanity and goodness in him to feel that guilt and to even throw himself on the front lines as repentance of sorts when he didn't need to. Where as Faro ran back to hide in Elysium when he wasn't deserving of it and on top of that basically doomed humanity a second time by deleting Apollo to hide his crimes from the future generations. No guilt, no conscience, basically something you can't even call human. Herres is a hero and honestly my favorite character in the game.
One if the things I love about General Herres is his name. Aaron was the brother of Moses who led the Isrealites out of slavery in Egypt. He rescued them from Pharoah. Love the naming connections to mythology.
This is what every military officer should aspire to be
That is still so powerful even after hearing it so many times
The information General Aaron presented to the candidates was hella shocking. Consider this: you get contacted and told that you are chosen to help build the solution for the incoming Faro plague. Sure you agree for the worlds sake but your thoughts circulate mostly around your closest family members and friends. Imagine leaving the house, the helicopter awaits you right there on the street in front of your house, you get tons of curious glances from neigbours stepping out of their houses. The military representative hastily helps you fasten the seat belt before take off. And then your wife/daughter/family member/someone you hold dear runs up to you to tell you they believe in you and will await your return after you save the world. With those words ringing in your mind you spend the whole way to facility thinking about their safety. You're determined like never before, you will save them. And once you're finally at place, you are told nobody will be saved. The hope you're presented with is not for you nor the people you care the most personally but for those in the possible future. It breaks your previous mindset and it briefly corners you into this overwhelming state of despair and realization that all those you've left behind will die. You cant help but feel that in their final horrible moments they will feel let down. Of course they wont but you feel you let them down. Chance for the humanity and life on earth? sure, sounds sweet. But the hope for your own world, your friends and family, its gone completely. You fight the urge of coming back to them. You choke it down and decide to develop the Zero Dawn. My, the guts to do this. Incredible, although scary.
I mean a number of the members of the project were essentially kidnapped. When every second counts there's no time to negotiate with the corporations or individual countries that hold their contracts, no reason to give them the option of getting spooked and running off.
@@FrostSylphThere's also the folks who refuse and are sedated and euthanized.
That man would probably fight with his man with nothing but a pistol. Or blow himself to stop the Horus from enter RoboCommand. Otherwise the general staff are badass in stopping that thing.
Yeah I like General Herres, he probably killed that Horus with his bare hands.
It would have been nice to see a flashback holographic depicting the General's last stand.
He probably donned a mask, grabbed a great big old rail-gun, charged out into the frontlines and started blasting away till he ran out of ammo. Put more metal in the ground that day than there had ever been before mankind was born, he did
Can't imagine what the last hour at the Grave Hoard was like; no food or water, no sunlight, no *oxygen* (because the sky is gone), limited ammo, and eight robotic squid-centipedes the size of mountains bearing down on your sorry ass.
Dude probably suited in some ultra weave armor and picked up a rail gun before charging out into battle with his troops in one final blaze.
By the middle of the next year they were all just gone… I can’t imagine
The amount of peeling you had to do for the games story is just amazing.
"I fucked up. I'll become a monster... maybe even more of a monster than I was, to try and fix that. I barely managed. Let history judge me." Beautiful video. Let the general's ideals as AI be the bad guy in future DLC. A mixture of Faro's weakness and his "enduring victory" philosophy. Maybe this time around the whole fist heart brain thing will mean something.
Yeah, it would certainly be interesting.
General Herris reminds me a lot of Commander Erwin. Both committed horrific sins, in the name of Humanity. And they both died the way they sent others. Necessary devils, you could say.
5:27 Is that Herres's body ?
no, his body would have been consumed by the robots, I'd assume he'd be going out with a fight.
@@mac_attack_zachthere are corpses left of humans who died fighting the robots in the grave hoard so it very well may be him
He protected earth and its life
He may had used billions of humans as sacrifice ... bigger than any leader out there in any wars
But it was all for a good end
To save life on earth
Not ours but in general
Sacrifice innocents to save innocent
Not like Ted. Ugh (wel he did saved innocent.. the key we use to kill hades is his creation)
There are not many apocalypses as harrowingly bleak and haunting as Horizon's.
Yeah, the typical nuclear apocalypse or asteroid impact scenarios seem merciful in comparison. There is a flash of light, then a blast wave deletes everything in its path. If you survive that phase, then the misery only lasts days or weeks.
In HZD, the world looks on in horror for over a year as they get displaced, cornered, and slaughtered at an exponentially-increasing rate by nightmarish robots driven by an unhinged adaptive machine-learning model.
A man doing his job... love this game.
He done nothing wrong, he did what needed to be done. It was that or tell everyone it's hopeless and human nature were had doom project Zero Dawn.
And that were had led to whatever order and command left to collapse sooner.
Ted Faro......biggest asshole villain in the history of video games. You think he is the worst ever.....and then, OMFG, he destroys Apollo and kills everyone.
So like a super elon musk
Definitely a big difference throwing millions of bodies to death for ego vs trying to prolong the time the world has left to make something to save the world. The population was dead either way. However I fully get how he would feel that way.
Herres is the antithesis of faro , faro caused the apocalypse because of his hubris and doomed it again by whipping out Apollo because of his shame and ego , herres accepted the inevitable and became the face of doom to give humanity a chance and even if he had no choice and it was the only option he deemed himself guilty of war crime against humanity and compared himself to hitler and khan and made sure people know , truly two pure antithesis, even more , faro tried to become immortal and herres refused to go to the bunkers, just magnificent writing.
More General Herris less Ted Faro.
Living the End of the world with only the hope of an new beginning must be terrible.
Holy crap, that's Toby Longworth! No wonder I got immediate Warhammer vibes!
I don't know how General Herres even walked, considering he was carrying the biggest balls of steel for taking responcobility of gaslighting the whole planet
I appreciate his sincerity and taking responsibility for his actions, but I don't know if he should necessarily feel guilty. As soon as the Faro swarm went rogue, all life on Earth was effectively given a death sentence. Everyone and everything on Earth was a walking corpse at that point so if you had to choose between people dying and then all life on Earth going extinct forever, or people dying and future life is given a chance, the answer is clear as day.
As he said, he may not have personally sentenced all life to death, but he actively sought out automation of the military. That incentivized corporations like FAS to develop hardware like the Horus and unbreakable software to prevent from being overridden by others.
and then he mostly likely shoot himself as i guess that was his body near the monitor. something that Faro should have done but did the exact opposite. i hope we can finish the job in forbidden west
If you've played by now, what do you think of Faro's fate?
@@arutka2000
I still wait for the PC version
@@nicbahtin4774 when is that due out?
@@arutka2000He earned what he got, but he deserved so much worse.
@@arutka2000
It launched 2 weaks ago already invested 50 hours playing still didn't see what happened to him guess ill find out what happened near the end.
That’s what makes him a better man than Faro. To tell the future generation of his crimes so they don’t repeat them, instead of hiding his shame
General Aaron Harris had felt extremely guilty of the people who died However, he ended up bitterly regretting his embrace of the complete automation of the U.S. military. When he learned of the Faro Plague and the ability of the robots to instantly hack and commandeer any enemy automaton, he realized that the might of the by-then fully automated U.S. military was utterly powerless against them, and that Zero Dawn was the sole chance that life on Earth had to avoid being eradicated forever.
@@eevee-wg7vm ya duh, thats both implied and outright stated, but thanks for summarizing the entire video i suppose?
@doomedbringer but it shows us that he is better than ted faro, but to have his name in the apollo records but he admits to all the things that he's done.
Who is Sorabella?
A fictional war criminal of the future, I think?
@@Colesign yeah, its a common Sc-Fi trope that Star trek uses a lot; when you want to establish the kind of person a 'future person' is they will name a a number of modern historical or contemporary people first then add the future person. So for example with a Genius Say Zephran Cochrane in Star Trek they would list his name amongst those of Einstein, Newton & Hawking. this example uses terrible murderers and despots to let us know that this Sorabella person was obviously a tyrant and terrible person by linking to terrible people we recognise.
@@aljgp
Precisely. This is the same as Picard saying "What if one of those lives I save down there is a child who grows up to be the next Adolf Hitler or Khan Singh?" ('A Matter of Time' S:5, E:9)