These streams and the AP videos have been a big part my first reading of Malazan. After finishing a book a bunch of videos get unlocked so I always look forward to finally watching them after I finish each book. It gives me a chance to recap everything that happened and reflect on what I just read instead of just jumping right into the next one. I like taking a breath and absorbing what I read, first. This is always the first place I go for the big stream, now I'll probably go see what AP has on Bonehunters.
53:00 I love Corabb he's the dumbest luckiest madman in the world. When Fiddler asks him to join his sqiad and he says I've never speared a baby and don't plan to 😂😂
I just finished The Bonehunters a few days ago, and of all the amazing and epic moments in this book, the thing that has stuck with me the most is Fiddler's Song. There's one quote that has been burned into my mind and that I can't shake: "And so we weep for the fallen. We weep for those yet to fall, and in war the screams are loud and harsh and in peace the wail is so drawn-out we tell ourselves we hear nothing". Just beautiful.
The chat about the Roman Empire's influence was interesting - in Bernard Cornell's Last Kingdom series set in Middle Aged England the main character often marvels about how much more advanced the romans were than the Anglo-Saxon's & Danes.
Oh my gosh!! The discussion I’ve been waiting for! I love the connections you all have brought together between the Malazan world and our world histories. And I love the passion you all feel for these books ESPECIALLY Allen’s!! Bravo 👏
1:12:00 I have a theory that the mule is the one and only Shadowthrone himself (don't spoul if it's later confirmed it's my first ever read through and I haven't read more than Bonehunters as of now): my reasons are 2: 1. when all the suns fell down with the jade and Heboric and all the fun happening Mappo's inner monologue said he realized that not Spite nor Iskaral protected the ship they were sailing on but the Mule. 2. At the end of the book the Mule was suspicioulsy absent and that's when Shadowthrone had a lot of stuff to do at the convergence in Malaz City
Every time I finish a book and I come here & it's like talking threw the novel with someone since I don't know anyone who's read Malazan 😂 I have & love the sled accident cover! The image wraps around the book and you see Ganoes Paran
1:32:00 Allen telling facts. In Deadhouse Gates I thought ok Laseen betrayed Kellanved and Dancer cuz she truly is just a better ruler and then she gets herself manipulated by Mallick Rel and Korbolo Dom the dumbest character I can think of that has ambitions more grandiose than getting out of the next fight in one piece!? Selling out the heroes of the Rebellion and genociding their most capable cavalry units (or at least that's the goal)
Loved this, thanks guys. Read The Bonehunters in Jan and left all of a week before just starting Reaper's Gale. Get the feeling I'll be sprinting to the finish by the time I get there, like you did.
Finally found the time to watch this. Excellent! A very structured discussion, following the course of the novel itself. I watch most of Malaztube, and this was no rehash. Love it. Many thanks to all the stars involved!
Seriously Allen should read Path to Ascendancy, you will love it. It is basically about your two favourite characters, Kellanved and Dancer, and how they buil the empire you love.
Also why in the world does Fiddler’s song take place during Kalam’s escape and the stand at the docks? Like there’s four of the best soldiers in the army that could absolutely be helping but instead they take time to play a mourning song? Did they not know the mob was attacking?
Just to clarify my position on the cover art, it looks like a 2nd year art student painted it and got a C-, the scene it depicts is fine. Hell, we should commission Santiago Lozano to do a set of dust jackets for our tpb editions. 😁 *And* it took barely 5 minutes for Allen to make a discworld reference 😂😂
Man not enough Ganoes lol. I love my boy😂all the Parans tbh Erickson won’t let me follow his journey though lol. The scene with Apsalar and Ganoes on the boat is one of my favourites. But good discussion guys. I’ve got two to go phew 😥
Oh man, I’d been waiting for this! Great discussion and Allen’s surprise appearance definitely contributed to this lovely little convergence. I would’ve loved to be there in the chat, but 2:30AM is just too rough of a starting time during the workweek. I must say I really loved the return of Ganoes in this book, as well as Karsa and Samar Dev’s travels leading them to the Edur and the Letherii that we already knew about from Midnight Tides. The Bonehunters’ storyline was excellent in both parts, and their journey around the Seven Cities continent post-Y’Ghatan was fascinating. I don’t think you discussed the reading of the Deck of Dragons in Malaz harbour. The readings are always a bit too cryptic for me, but it would’ve made for some entertaining talk. Looking forward to Reaper’s Gale!
Sorry we missed the deck of dragons, I knew we would miss something haha. I appreciate the kind words and wish time zones didn't make these so difficult. We need a Warren where can all sync up hahah
@@thefantasynuttwork Since creating a warren is sadly beyond my abilities, I'll gladly dedicate a late-night stay to the Reaper's Gale stream if it takes place during the holidays :)
While I loved the battle of Y'Ghatan and thought the book was full of wonderful character development, it is my least favorite Malazan book so far. I think for me, the 2-books in 1 structure really hurt the book for me and I hope that by book 7 everything will be back to awsome. I suspect part of the problem is that I have burnt myself out a bit by reading and re-reading book 1 to 6 without any breaks in between. (When I start a new Malazan book, I concurrently start re-reading the audiobook version of a previous one. GotM while reading MoI, DG together with HoC, HoC and MT during BH). After Bonehunters, I decided to take a break to read the Age of Madness and Rythm of War before plunging into Reapers Gale.
Maybe a small break will welp yeah. Sorry you didn't love this one, it's Def my favorite but I can understand the structure of it being off putting. RG is much more similar to the previous books so I think you'll enjoy it!
@@thefantasynuttwork it is funny though, while it is my least favorite Malazan book it is still one of my favorite books of all time. These books (and Robin Hobbs) are just a level above pretty much anything else.
My issue with the "upsides" of colonialism argument is that it's so often used to brush aside calls for restitution and justice. Honestly the Monty Python but is funny but it's actually quite poor argumentation because it implies a false dichotomy. EITHER we stayed in a less developed state with worse technology, OR we accept invasion and subjugation for the benefits. It ignores the idea that improvements can come through peaceful exchange and cooperation. It also reifies different cultures and people's. I know it's utopian but at the end of the day we are one race and we are more similar than different. We don't always need to assume that "our" people will never mix with "their" people and become one.
This was a great discussion that cleared up a lot of questions I had, but Allen made this stream almost unwatchable. Way too animated, way too opinionated to the point of taking over the stream. It’s like he’s talking at you rather than to you.
These streams and the AP videos have been a big part my first reading of Malazan. After finishing a book a bunch of videos get unlocked so I always look forward to finally watching them after I finish each book. It gives me a chance to recap everything that happened and reflect on what I just read instead of just jumping right into the next one. I like taking a breath and absorbing what I read, first. This is always the first place I go for the big stream, now I'll probably go see what AP has on Bonehunters.
That’s so awesome to hear!
53:00 I love Corabb he's the dumbest luckiest madman in the world. When Fiddler asks him to join his sqiad and he says I've never speared a baby and don't plan to 😂😂
I just finished The Bonehunters a few days ago, and of all the amazing and epic moments in this book, the thing that has stuck with me the most is Fiddler's Song. There's one quote that has been burned into my mind and that I can't shake: "And so we weep for the fallen. We weep for those yet to fall, and in war the screams are loud and harsh and in peace the wail is so drawn-out we tell ourselves we hear nothing". Just beautiful.
Yesssss
The chat about the Roman Empire's influence was interesting - in Bernard Cornell's Last Kingdom series set in Middle Aged England the main character often marvels about how much more advanced the romans were than the Anglo-Saxon's & Danes.
Yeah it's pretty fascinating
1:43:00 small correction that was Grub telling Lostara that not Eres'al
Oh my gosh!! The discussion I’ve been waiting for! I love the connections you all have brought together between the Malazan world and our world histories. And I love the passion you all feel for these books ESPECIALLY Allen’s!! Bravo 👏
Thank you!!!
1:12:00 I have a theory that the mule is the one and only Shadowthrone himself (don't spoul if it's later confirmed it's my first ever read through and I haven't read more than Bonehunters as of now): my reasons are 2:
1. when all the suns fell down with the jade and Heboric and all the fun happening Mappo's inner monologue said he realized that not Spite nor Iskaral protected the ship they were sailing on but the Mule.
2. At the end of the book the Mule was suspicioulsy absent and that's when Shadowthrone had a lot of stuff to do at the convergence in Malaz City
Every time I finish a book and I come here & it's like talking threw the novel with someone since I don't know anyone who's read Malazan 😂
I have & love the sled accident cover! The image wraps around the book and you see Ganoes Paran
Yes Ganoes! And I’m glad you’re enjoying these. These are my favorite videos I’ve done for my channel.
22:00 I'd like to call out Allen for liking Shadowthrone but shitting on Iskaral Pust even tho they are basically the same. Hee hee
pretty convinced that Karsa fought a K'chain Naruk when he fought the lizard "demon"
Yep I agree
@@thefantasynuttwork oh I see if I watched ten more seconds I'd have seen yhat
1:32:00 Allen telling facts. In Deadhouse Gates I thought ok Laseen betrayed Kellanved and Dancer cuz she truly is just a better ruler and then she gets herself manipulated by Mallick Rel and Korbolo Dom the dumbest character I can think of that has ambitions more grandiose than getting out of the next fight in one piece!? Selling out the heroes of the Rebellion and genociding their most capable cavalry units (or at least that's the goal)
Loved this, thanks guys. Read The Bonehunters in Jan and left all of a week before just starting Reaper's Gale. Get the feeling I'll be sprinting to the finish by the time I get there, like you did.
I couldn't put these books down
telorast and curdle are the best!!!!! this aggression will not stand, allen
Tell him!!
Finally found the time to watch this. Excellent! A very structured discussion, following the course of the novel itself. I watch most of Malaztube, and this was no rehash. Love it. Many thanks to all the stars involved!
I appreciate that a lot. I try to prep the episode in a way that even if you don't care about the opinions given that it can serve as a recap too
this was fantastic, thanks.
Our pleasure 😁
Seriously Allen should read Path to Ascendancy, you will love it. It is basically about your two favourite characters, Kellanved and Dancer, and how they buil the empire you love.
I'm pumped for it!
I'm a year late, but this was perfect to watch after finishing the book. Thanks. 😊
So happy you loved this book!!
Also why in the world does Fiddler’s song take place during Kalam’s escape and the stand at the docks? Like there’s four of the best soldiers in the army that could absolutely be helping but instead they take time to play a mourning song? Did they not know the mob was attacking?
bruh this book just blew my mind. Apsalar, the shadow dance 😵💫
Soooooooo good!!!
Just to clarify my position on the cover art, it looks like a 2nd year art student painted it and got a C-, the scene it depicts is fine.
Hell, we should commission Santiago Lozano to do a set of dust jackets for our tpb editions. 😁
*And* it took barely 5 minutes for Allen to make a discworld reference 😂😂
Hahaha classic Allen!
I felt the way Allen feels about Laseen and Rel
Allen has some great takes
Damn, this was so good! Makes me want to start reread number 2
Thank you 😊
Wow, finding out Allen is a Latin teacher makes so much sense. I took 4 years of Latin in High School and I finally understand it
@@reidsweeney2618 hahaha
Allen is Sam Vimes' spirit animal. ;-)
Without a doubt
My favorite of the series and one of the top ten books I’ve ever read.
Same!!
Man not enough Ganoes lol. I love my boy😂all the Parans tbh Erickson won’t let me follow his journey though lol. The scene with Apsalar and Ganoes on the boat is one of my favourites. But good discussion guys. I’ve got two to go phew 😥
Soak it all up! I'm also house Paran ALL the way
Oh man, I’d been waiting for this! Great discussion and Allen’s surprise appearance definitely contributed to this lovely little convergence.
I would’ve loved to be there in the chat, but 2:30AM is just too rough of a starting time during the workweek.
I must say I really loved the return of Ganoes in this book, as well as Karsa and Samar Dev’s travels leading them to the Edur and the Letherii that we already knew about from Midnight Tides.
The Bonehunters’ storyline was excellent in both parts, and their journey around the Seven Cities continent post-Y’Ghatan was fascinating.
I don’t think you discussed the reading of the Deck of Dragons in Malaz harbour. The readings are always a bit too cryptic for me, but it would’ve made for some entertaining talk.
Looking forward to Reaper’s Gale!
Sorry we missed the deck of dragons, I knew we would miss something haha. I appreciate the kind words and wish time zones didn't make these so difficult. We need a Warren where can all sync up hahah
@@thefantasynuttwork
Since creating a warren is sadly beyond my abilities, I'll gladly dedicate a late-night stay to the Reaper's Gale stream if it takes place during the holidays :)
Fun fact, the year truth gets blown up, also happens to be the year of a thousand lies
Why wasn't Alan's copy ever a hard copy? Love that cover. They could release those paperback covers now and so many of us would buy the harsdcovers.
Agreed
I really enjoyed the bonehunters it definitely was better than house of chains 👍
Yeah for sure!
Great stream!
Thank you so much!
Helian is the personification of "task failed successfully".
While I loved the battle of Y'Ghatan and thought the book was full of wonderful character development, it is my least favorite Malazan book so far. I think for me, the 2-books in 1 structure really hurt the book for me and I hope that by book 7 everything will be back to awsome.
I suspect part of the problem is that I have burnt myself out a bit by reading and re-reading book 1 to 6 without any breaks in between. (When I start a new Malazan book, I concurrently start re-reading the audiobook version of a previous one. GotM while reading MoI, DG together with HoC, HoC and MT during BH). After Bonehunters, I decided to take a break to read the Age of Madness and Rythm of War before plunging into Reapers Gale.
Maybe a small break will welp yeah. Sorry you didn't love this one, it's Def my favorite but I can understand the structure of it being off putting. RG is much more similar to the previous books so I think you'll enjoy it!
@@thefantasynuttwork it is funny though, while it is my least favorite Malazan book it is still one of my favorite books of all time. These books (and Robin Hobbs) are just a level above pretty much anything else.
@@Thorbearius I agree with you
No Allen, no party
That's right 🤠
Great video mate. Keep it up!
I'm sad I just missed it.
Hope you can make the next one!
My issue with the "upsides" of colonialism argument is that it's so often used to brush aside calls for restitution and justice. Honestly the Monty Python but is funny but it's actually quite poor argumentation because it implies a false dichotomy. EITHER we stayed in a less developed state with worse technology, OR we accept invasion and subjugation for the benefits. It ignores the idea that improvements can come through peaceful exchange and cooperation. It also reifies different cultures and people's. I know it's utopian but at the end of the day we are one race and we are more similar than different. We don't always need to assume that "our" people will never mix with "their" people and become one.
JUSTICE FOR THE SCORPION
YES
thought phil's cover is the best
It's a great one
:D
🙂
Would be nice without bottom right dudes ranting over everyone lol
Sgt Hellian is the worst
Yeah. I was just OK with her at first, but by Dust of Dreams, I am over her character.
This was a great discussion that cleared up a lot of questions I had, but Allen made this stream almost unwatchable. Way too animated, way too opinionated to the point of taking over the stream. It’s like he’s talking at you rather than to you.