Statistically Finding The Greatest Rocket League Player EVER.
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- Hey, guys! I hope you enjoy the video! I've been working on this for a very long time, so I'm super excited to be sharing this with all of you! I know that my audience is mainly from the Geometry Dash community, so if any of you need some context for this video, then I highly recommend watching the videos down here before you watch this one:
• the entire history of ...
• A Brief History of RLCS
They can give you a general sense of the game's history and the history of the competitive scene up to a certain point.
A few other things to mention:
1. I got this idea from the basketball UA-camr JxmyHighroller, and his video about finding the 75 greatest NBA players of all time. I'd highly recommend giving that a watch too!
2. All of the info in this video is only up until the 2nd open qualifier of the 2024 season (February 23, 2024)
3. I only considered a player's performance in RLCS events (no Gamer's 8 or DreamHack)
4. I will likely be doing this again before the RLCS World Championships in September, so feel free to comment anything that you think should be improved!
5. I know that some of the PNG's in the thumbnail and video are kinda scuffed. I'm not an artist or a photoshop wizard, I did all of them in MS Paint lol.
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0:00 Introduction
1:14 Part 1: Explaining My Methods
5:52 Part 2: The Stats
11:42 Part 3: The Results: Who is the GOAT?
15:46 Top 5
19:44 Part 4: Conclusion - Ігри
Thanks for watching! I plan on doing this again before worlds, so let me know what I should do differently!
I think the rankings overemphasized regional play.
Also 1v1 is not in the RLCS so its inconsistent with your other metrics.
MENA is a region i adore but they lack accomplishments apart from 2 tournament runs its hard to rate them high on greatest to ever play RLCS while I do think the players themselves are incredible.
I do think finding th3 best player statistically will always face criticism cause some things are hard to quantify.
I enjoyed this video. Looking forward to the next one :)
1s shouldn’t be in it at all imo. We’ve seen rentals beet fairy peak many times in 1s, and he wasn’t even on that list. As you said, he was the greatest, but not the best, it’s like the lebron vs Jordan debate. I’d say a better way to look at the 1s would be to look at the leader board or to not have it at all.
@@strawsquash It was Flakes, not rentals smh, and Fairy is not only the greatest, but 2018 Fairy is the best 1s player ever, there are very few peaks which compare. Though I agree, If you want to talk about only the RLCS, then 1v1 has no place
@@pabloruedaarzoz8065 um no, retals has beaten fairy many times before, maybe not in show matches but countless times in ranked. Tf is you on about fucking clown
This was a great video but some of the weight and metrics were kinda weird to me. A lot of the rate stats screw over players who have played way longer, like Turbo and Garrettg. It's still such an amazing video, man. Great job!
Chausettes impact should be 30 for getting everyone to use fennec
w shout
I literally said the same thing when he said he'd take him off the list. Dude single handedly converted the entire player base to start using the fennec after popping off at dreamhack and beyond the summit. But non-rlcs so what can ya do
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But why call yourself socks
yes and no. he defo pushed the meta forward really really quickly but anyways it would’ve happened pretty soon eventually just looking at high level players and rank warriors especially in the mena region who were one of the first to use it
Kaydop impact stat is way too low, he is the single reason why France is domanating the game rn. He is the most viewed rl streamer too (3-5k viewers every evening). I know he isn't really famous internationally but his national fame make up for it imo.
He inspired too much people to just be 7.5 on Impact.
Dude is almost single-handedly responsible for the entirety of the state of the French scene rn, it’s insane.
Saying that one player has solely brought up the best region in the world is insane. The only crazier thing would be to deny it
@@jackspinner1945 had me in the first half ngl
If Kaydop didnt exist NA would actually win LAN events and I'm not being ironic 🤣
that is bringing france to the map not impact since he didnt influence the game so much.
“No one is definitively the most clutch”
Yes, it’s Rise. And he’s not on the list :(
yeah, tbh idk how I forgot about him
@@_CRUMP_ Just to hammer home this point a little more: Most goals on LAN - Rise. Most goals per game on LAN - Rise. Most OT goals on LAN - Rise. Best statistical player on KC this previous major - Rise (Atow has a better overall rating bc of Swiss, but Rise had a better rating + outperformed both his tm8s significantly in the playoffs).
did you not see how hard he shit the bed in game 7 against gentlemates
@@_CRUMP_OT goals and saves as well as 0 second goals would be good stats to measure this
to be fair rise is 1-4 in LAN finals, I know he's clutch in individual games but in overall tournaments I wouldn't say so
I had no Idea of rocket league E sports before this video, but I might get into it. Nice video I can tell a lot of effort went into this, keep it up!
Much appreciated!
If you do get into RLCS, I recommend you don’t cheer for a specific team or player but instead just try to enjoy the great plays and game with no bias.
100% agreed
@@_CRUMP_ lol cheering for a team (like I do) makes it harder to enjoy everything. But it does make it rly fun to win
If you're interested the pro circut (RLCS) will be holding events starting in late april, with brodcasts of the matches happening on friday, saturday, and sunday. Check liquipidea for more info on the tounements.
For your longevity stat, I would recommend for remaking it to only include events where they were top 16. It will fix things like rizzo, and reward those that are still competing only if they’re actually making achievements.
Seeing the iconic goal at champions field fade in as the number one slot was being announced was something that genuinely made me smile, I’m glad NA had any representation at all in the top 5 but the first spot is more than I could’ve hoped for
Not opposed to JSTN at 1 by any means, Zen is Jstn just with modern day mechs. If jstn had all the mechanics we have today, he’d be the same as zen
Completely agree. The hype around JSTN back then as a mechanical prodigy is similar to the hype being seen around Zen. Now I think Zen has definitely surpassed him with his dominance in events this early on, but JSTN still definitely deserves the praise and respect.
idk about jstn being as good as zen if only he had similiar mechs, i mean, there are other factors that make a great player for example MM is not on the same level of mechs as zen or firstkiller however he has always been near the top of rlcs
@@AnwarNaushadI would believe that Jstn would be a better rounded player based on mechs him and zen are similar if placed in the same time period also the struggle for jstn even getting to a spot on NRG was a struggle meanwhile zen was placed straight into Vitality yet he was there for previous achievements so that was probably known I think if zen wins 2 more rlcs then he will probably be the definitive goat of rocket league and many people would agree. In my opinion I think if jstn were placed now with the same skills as zen jstn would come on top due to defensive skills and game awareness I think zens career has and will be a lot to come for him. This is an opinion so don’t take it to seriously but I am open for responses😊
@@leedsparkman8940idk if i'm understanding your comment completely so feel free to correct me, zen isnt all mechanics, u cant be the best with just flashy mechanics, i would confidently say that zens game awareness is better than jstns
Jstn's mechanics are modern day. His playstyle and mentality are what hold him back.
That jimmyhighroller video was absurdly well made and pretty ground breaking in the basketball statistic community.
The influence that video had on this is evident and extremely well made. Your doing things that you don’t see other people do in this community at all. Keep it up, I guarantee this will influence people to get into the RL statistic landscape. This video is going to blow up very soon.
jimmys the goat
Zen being #4 with a 0.4 longevity stat is absurd.
He’s so far ahead of everybody else it’s staggering.
You can be far ahead of everyone but if you cant consistently do it then it defeats your case for being the goat. People said that for Kronovi at first, squishy for a chunk of time, Jstn, scrubkilla, and as time continued, people keep choosing new people. Daniel, and now Zen. Zen could easily do it but can he actually prove it consistently.
He also own goaled at finals
@@IsaiasSoldier2you should also case in the factor that the peak of dignatas they had an incredible 3 of kaydop turbo and violent panda so I would say impact against great teams could be a factor but that would take a long time this could be said for kcorp now as many people say they are best in France but everyone else says vitality
@@AndreAs-yq1wh and still won
NO ?
MA BOI USED FULL ON EQUATIONS
I’m not even opposed to Jstn at #1 it’s well deserved
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most reasonable NA fan:
@@karwat2577 Bro have you watched S5, S6, S7, S8? You would know that Jstn obliterated each and every single player at that time.
@@4maticeperformance4doorcoupeHe only ever won one LAN outside of NA even with two of the most solid LAN players ever helping. You don't get GOAT status from dominating a weak NA scene when EU was the powerhouse region
imo it should be turbopolsa at #1 but jstn would also be up there!
Amazing video and fantastic list. I'm eager to see how the list changes when you update the weighting of the formula! Can't wait!!
Been looking forward to this video since you replied to my post on Reddit. Incredible stuff man. Really glad this landed in my recommended.
AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Easily one of the best rocket league videos of all time! The info, the energy, the moments and especially the WORK that you’ve put in to this video is insane. I highly doubt there will be another video better than this the near future!
And btw shout out to your roomate🫡!
Excellent work enjoyed watching it all ! Imo Zen and Vatira will go far upper pretty soon :) Ty for the vid
I‘d love to see the revamped version of this that you‘ll do before worlds actually being showed at worlds - I never saw a vid about ranking players in rl that fcking good, great job :)
Banger video! I'm actually surprised with the outcome and am already exited for the next one before worlds.
Despite there obviously being some mistakes, this is a great concept for a video (and a great video itself). I'm looking forward to seeing the updated version after worlds!
Awesome video ! I'll be waiting for the next list before worlds. I miss seeing jstn on lan.
lmao at running through all this work and then clarifying that Kaydop is, obviously, the GOAT. Great work!
hella underrated video, probably because it's your first rocket league video(from what I've seen scrolling through your channel)
The work behind this video is truly outstanding! Tho I have to disagree on the impact category as Kaydop is THE reason we have Europe and more particularly France so represented today in RLCS. Monkey Moon is at this level today because he was streamsnipping him for a long time and we can even consider that all French players today are here thanks to what he brought to the scene. So in my opinion, he is and will always stay the GOAT for at least all the French community
The only thing keeping Zen from #1 is his longevity of 0.4…😢
yeah i think thats bs, cuz longevity shouldnt make such a difference on your score.. He deserves atleast 2nd place
@@Angremaan I agree completely
@@Angremaan I think longevity is important since Rocket League is a volatile game. Any player can theoretically win on their day, so being at the top for a long time shows insane consistency. If longevity wasn't considered, someone like Lachinio who won a major but only dominated for a really short time, would have a higher goat score than someone like Jknaps who has never won a major but has been consistent for years. In reality, most people probably have Lachinio way lower than Jknaps (Maybe not even on the list).
@@zap9044hey, lachinio won worlds and jknaps HAS won a major
Also zen got buffed on other categories because of his short career so it makes up for it
You can surely see Jstn's impact when even though he is not going to LANs and etc, still, as soon as he pops up a new car design, every single pro starts using it as well, crazy impact on the scene ever since before his arrival on NRG
amazing video need more of this in the community 13:30 had me actually laughing 😭
As a JXmyhighroller fan and fan of RLCS, this is an amazing video! 🔥 can’t wait for the video before worlds.
Ngl Kaydop should be first in my book, his impact stat is way too low for how much he contributed to the scene, people don't realise that we wouldn't have most of the french prodigies if it weren't for him
Awesome video man, I'm sure a crazy amount of work went into this.
justin was always my favorite player i always loved seeing him at the top of sunlesses old pro ranking videos
Dude i just overlooked your channel, how you went from weekly gameplays to suddenly dropping this masterpiece of research and editing
I personally love jimmy high roller and think you nailed his style. Can’t wait for the next edition!
really cool and well put together video, great job! I disagree with some of the criteria and the valuation of it, but that's something everyone disagrees on. also rise not in the most clutch players is absolutely criminal you deserve jailtime for that
This video was actually incredible. Well done!
Great video!!! This needs more attention!!!
I'd love to see a video like this for disc golf!
Never really thought about that, I might give it a shot at some point!
Love the vid, keep the vids coming👌
One of the greatest RL vids I have watched in a while! Loved the concept as I am a big stats man myself and always wondered what would happen if you put it all together. Cannot believe Deevo didn't make it (#scammed). Also think Al0t should 100% be in the convo as the stuff he was doing back in the day was way ahead of his time. Kaydop is my Goat tho and you cannot change my mind. Loved the vid and can't wait for the next one before worlds!
this is some good content didnt expect a jxmy fan here
Love the video.
I think if you do this again i would somehow divide LAN categories Major and World Championship. Majors are not around that long and they take away from the accomplishment of winnig one or multiple World Championships. Turbo, Kaydop and Violentpanda would probably have also won multiple Majors if they were a thing back then. And after all every players Dream is winning a World Championship so its even more important to be Clutch when it matters most.
I so think Justin is a good and well deserved number 1 though.
I did not expect this level of quality. Had a couple good laughs! 😁👍
hey your video was great i loved watching it continue like that its so cool, i think maybe you can include the fact that the mechanic werent the same now and at the start of e sport rocket league
Impact btw, Chausette was the first player to use Fennec in RLCS, now it's the MOST popular car
T’was a beautiful watch. I can’t wait for this to hit the rest of the rocket league community
Great work! Loved it! :D
i feel like zen kinda took a step back this split like he got outperformed by yan in the swiss stage and by daniel in the semis
i’m not gonna argue with his dominance in he spring split but you really have to question his dominance after this split
it just seems like everybody caught up
i also feel like you should have rated kronovi higher just on what he did for the game
the fact i literally watched the nba video today and thought how good it was, this is such a great video idea
The GOAT is called Turbopolsa!
- The only 4 Time World Champion
- The only one winning the World Championship back to back to back (Season 3, 4, 5)
- The only one winning a World Championship with 2 Regions (EU: Northern Gaming, Gale Force Esports, Dignitas NA: NRG)
- The only one winning a World Championship as a substitute (Season 3)
I’m just happy you mentioned al0t in this video at all. Bro was hitting zen shots in 2017
holy underrated. amazing vid bro
very good video, can’t wait to see the one before worlds!
Great video man keep it up
Jstn has ALWAYS been my favourite. I went into this video thinking "I say Jstn would get high, maybe like top 10 atleast." But i wasn't expecting as the goat!
Do not agree with the en result but fantastic video. My suggestion for the subjective categories is to ask to the community or talk with rlcs people, im sure johnnyboi would love to help. Waiting for the 2nd part.
Truly can’t believe you left CJCJ, Ferra and al0t off the list but this is incredibly well done and I applaud the work you put 🤝🏼 would love some more content like this
You earned a new sub excellent quality and we agree on which the goat is
Can't imagine how much time went into this!!! Greatest RL video in a long time
You can prob do this calculation a few times before the content gets stail, loved it
This was an insanely good video. You earnt a sub
Of your 5 categories the most important is team dominance and individual dominance imo, so maybe next time weigh them 20% higher then the other categories
insane vid, thanks for the work
U gotta include Torsos man. He has been around for so long and is tied with JKnaps for most LAN appearances. Great video nonetheless
That video is a pure masterclass.
bro i love this video!!! please do more rocket league content!!!
Good video, keep it up sunless
If I may make a suggestion, what if “longevity” was a subsection of “impact”?
I still remember seeing monkey moon always number 1 on PlayStation leaderboards years ago. Been a fan ever since
Great video but the 1v1 part oKhalid should be number 1 or tide with Fairy, he was the best player for like 3 years and even nowadays he still considered a top 15 player, his longevity it’s Impressive. 🐐
Not having joyos shot against falcons in the most memorable moments is kind of crazy ngl
You said you're planning to do this again -- getting some sort of web scraper set up to avoid having to manually enter all the data will massively speed up the process, Idk if it's really feasable but I'd even offer to write it for you, its probably only a day or two of unfocused work, and then (as long as the data source doesn't significantly change) you'd be able to reuse it whenever you want to make an updated video.
Sick video, although there are many things i dont agree with or dont like the list of players itself, I like this
I think you should also consider the amount of games played which would obv give them a stat boost
Yeah, I should've had that instead of just career length in days
I believe a longer term project where you factor all international LAN events is worth the ambition. Some of these players dominated outside of RLCS at events like DreamHack, ELEAGUE, NARLI, GAMERS8, and all others.
This would immediately effect Chausette45, ViolentPanda and Turbo, MuffinMen, Jknaps, shoot even Retals would be on this list.
Yeah, that’s what I’m gonna try to do next time. I couldn’t do that this time because I also have classes going on, so it’s a bit more difficult to do
2:26 NAH showing rizzo while saying eary retirement is WILD
Also, I got that clip from one of the retirement sketches lol
This was too much work for such a low reward. I really hope this video blows up soon
I’m really surprised how much I agree with the results, love the vid
disappointed for not seeing Itachi in the initial list, extremely underrated player.
People don’t understand how good first killer is. It’s crazy how underrated he is while outperforming everyone in na
i’ve been saying jstn has been the best of all time for so long but people just don’t rate him that highly because of the long break he took from the game, i definitely think there is a lot missing from the calculations since you’d almost need to account for singular games and scores to rate a player but this guy would need a supercomputer to properly figure it all out, man already put a lot of effort to make this great video though this was entertaining to watch
Squishy got me in the mindset to play the game the way i do today. Hes my personal favorite for a lot of reasons.
Rizzo was my first rocket league player i really followed just for the content and pure enjoyment.
That being said i cant disagree.
I've been watching for 10 minutes. It was such an amazing video, but before u say it, I've gotta say squishymuffinz man. ❤😊
Seiko can’t be that low, he won worlds and just won a major on 2 different orgs. One of those orgs were extremely underrated as well
As stated, this is only relevant as of the 2nd open qualifier. That major win doesn’t count here.
Suggestion regarding your formula at 3:56:
I wouldn't base the percentiles on the players' rank on your list but rather on the actual stat:
Percentile = player's stat / highest stat in category
This formula is easier and would also make your ranking more realistic.
btw it'd help a little bit at fixing the "Turbopolsa-Issue" too as he'd still get 1% for his four wins at LAN-events while all the ones with only two wins would only get 0.5% instead of 0.921% for example.
Maybe there is a reason why you didn't do it this way that I haven't thought of though..
That is a really good idea. The only problem is that at the time that I was working on this, I had ABSOLUTELY NO GODDAMN CLUE how to use Excel or Google Sheets, so doing it that way would take too much time for me to manually input it into my calculator and then manually type it out.
The work you put into this video is inspiring my friend, Great piece of work here congrats 🎉
Also FK is my guy and thinks he should be higher 🙃
Great editing
Amazing video! Great job trying to not be too subjective.
This vid is AMAZING 🔥
Great video, underrated tbf
Great video but the 1v1 part kinda got me cos relative to the competition it should be a combination of fairy scrub khalid joreuz and jack yet jack nor joreuz was there
I don't understand how you have the most memorable moment as a simple aerial shot. Daniel half flipped into an aerial carry getting over one of his opponents, then hitting a flip reset over the last two defenders in the net. Oh yeah and that was all with 40 boost while curving the ball in an rlcs match...
Although jstn lost that lan, just the tension, the atmosphere, what was on the line. I’m sure other pros would say that it was a more iconic goal.
I know people who don’t even watch rlcs and they know that shot lmao
This list is as of the 2nd open qual. Daniel’s shot happened in the 3rd, so it doesn’t count. Also, calling JSTN’s shot a “simple aerial?” Bro… you just don’t know ball.
Amazing vid! Keep it up!(WHY IS TURBO 20TH????)
No clue
I think players like Jstn, Squishy, and Gimmick (probably perhaps others) were further ahead of everyone else back in their primes than Zen is compared to modern players.
Turbs is the goat
YOU DONT KNOW HOW GOOD KRONOVI WAS OH MY GOD
One thing, I think we should be aware of, and which your list also seems to account somewhat for is the value of lan wins. In the open era, lan wins are MUCH harder to achieve imo - because of how many matches one has to play before even reaching them in the first place.
So when people rank Turbo or Violentpanda high, they fail to realize how few games they realistically had to play and win to get to the lan and to win the lan itself.
I would rank legacy RLCS lans like maybe at most 1,5 majors now, but realistically at like 1 major now, maybe even less, despite the outrage it gathers. Maybe one could take the amount of games played to reach a legacy lan and to win it, then compare it to a current open era major with regionals/qualifying matches, and then 'power rank' the wins accordingly? I know the 'title' of world champion means something, but I'd argue the consistency needed back then was still way less than now, and that's why it's fitting to have people like MM, Vatira and Zen much higher on these lists in general
Very good video,i didn't follow you but this video convinced me, alot of work 👍by the way who do you think is the best nation of rl?
Thanks for the support! And at this point, if you think that any *nation* is better at RL than France, then you just don't know ball lol.
@@_CRUMP_true, France is the best right now, all time, they are probably 2nd rn in 1s(behind Saudi Arabia), 1st all time in 1s, and even in freestyling they are prolly the best all-time(arguable rn with Germany, England etc.)
France
@@KhanTheFreestylerI guess evenin 1s , Francehas Mawkzy, best 1s player in the world
@@f-mex5806 Saudi has too many good players RIGHT NOW, France only has 2 that standout and even then they aren’t as good(well no undisputed no.1 like they used to be) and Saudi has like 4 players who have been EASILY top 10 in the world in the past year, maybe 5 but NWPO is arguable
Insane video!
Even though I love the work done here, I would never use "stats" or "moments" to rank who's the best player. It takes more subjective opinion than objective (without being biased) in order to achieve the goal to know who's the GOAT.
So I right after saying this I would like to share my categories to be ranked:
1. Gamesense (more important than mechanics in my opinion).
2. Mechanics
3. Impact (on a team, given their role on that team)
4. Mentallity (strong, positive, nontoxic...)
5. Longevity
And something really important is to understand when did each one of the players competed. Kronovi was the goat at the start, obviously all the games improve mechanically so nowadays players will be better there. But those that are able to keep being at a high level throughout the years with all the meta and mechanic improvements, those to me sre the real goats.
Fun video. Obviously some of it is subjective but at least you'll get 90% of the big names up there somewhere.
well Kaydop and Turbo are the Goats, I think everyone knows that. But still enjoyed the video very much, thank you.
Rocket league wouldn’t be where it was if it wasn’t for kronovi imo