When Should A TV Show END?
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- when should a show end? A man who's never made one tells you.
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The Last Airbender is a PRIME example of a show with perfect length. 3 Seasons with great character development and a satisfying ending. That’s why it’s always gonna be a CLASSIC
What a satisfying ending! And on point with the values it wants to convey, despite having to follow the genre's staples.
i wish i can hug your comment
I feel the same way about atla and the good place
They were gonna make a 4th season but the God forsaken Airbender came out instead
Literally came to say this lol. This show and gravity falls are ones that come to mind.
The Good Place has a way better ending than I could've ever asked for, especially for a show that high-concept and out-there.
YES YES YES it's a perfect example of planning out 4 seasons and then actually stopping when the story ends
The story finally ended in season 4? Thank God. I stopped watching it because I thought it was getting redundant but maybe I’ll finish it now.
one of the best series I've ever saw
yessss. beautiful chracter arcs too. i felt like if it went for another season i would have ended up hating it. but it had an awesome ending
I was just about to comment this 😂😂 agreed 100%
Almost all of the best shows (Breaking Bad, Gravity Falls, Avatar The Last Airbender) are ones that stuck according to their plan from the start and didn't change that vision that the creator had, no matter if the audience wanted more of it, they knew it had to end there.
Damn Gravity falls. Didnt think of it first but ur right.
Wasn't Jesse from Breaking Bad supposed to be a minor character, but because of the chemistry (pun intended) between him and Walter White the show runners decided to make him a main character? But I guess they did decide from the starting point that Walter was going to be the bar guy in the end and then end the show.
Bro compared gravity falls and avatar with THE BREAKING BAD LMAO
breaking bad is not great. it went downhill after season four
@@talltreeyeti Bad take
Despite being technically cancelled, I think Bojack Horseman ended perfectly, because Netflix gave the creators a heads-up that the show was getting cancelled before they did their last season, so the creators were able to end it in a way they saw fit.
Really hope the same things happens with Owl House
Really? It legit felt like the show needed to end and indeed ended when it should have.
Maybe for once network meddling did a right thing lol
@@MooImABunny Whatever the case, Netflix or tbh any other company won't stop a project just because "it needed to end" it's always about money. Unless you do something good and create a new show or movie set on the same universe but different story and characters (MCU being a perfect example)
Funnily enough, Arrow did something similar. Stephen Amelia (the main actor) said he was losing the spark during the filming of Season 6, so the show runner proposed one more full season followed by a much shorter final season.
They did that, and Season 8 ended up being one of the best seasons since Season 5.
That was a depressing show anyway
It doesn’t matter if you’re a dub or sub person, you gotta admit the Squid Game dub was like NPC’s talking
Omg hahhahaha YES
It reminded me of the spanish dubs of cartoons that I used to watch as a kid LOL.
As a kid, I used to watch old Jacky Chan Movies like police story, and those were incredibly bad voice overs.
So I support voice actors that put in the passion and work over the subbed edit that 1 dude did in his free time.
Yeah, Squid Games dub was horrendous! I watched it for 30 seconds and was like, "No, I need subs please!"
LOLL
avatar the last airbender obviously is the GOAT for going out on a good note
Taste 😌
nothing but facts
yes
It always had a definite end though.
childrens shows dont count
The queens gambit was excellent for a lot of reasons and one of them definitely is that it ended when it needed to. Same thing with fleabag
Gravity Falls is the perfect example of a show ending on top. 2 seasons, mostly episodic in season 1 and has a big satisfying arc for the second half of season 2.
i felt the same way...plus they literally just fought demons, i dont wanna see them get traumatized more lmao
@@DIGITALGH05T dipper was originally going to snap dippy fresh’s neck, so it could’ve been worse
The Fact that are still people saying it ended on a Cliffhanger still pisses me off
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 did they... miss the fancy credits at the end?
The Good Place was a MASTER at going out on top. Dropped some truths about morality and humanity in a tight 4 seasons then left with a satisfying ending that still sits with me
Yes I absolutely love that show
YES I WAS THINKING THIS
Yes!
I love that the writers intended for the show to have a short run because they didn’t want the show to just keep going to the point it turned to crap
THANK YOU
Fleabag is actually the perfect example of a show going out on top too. The characters, the storyline, it was too beautiful
I always re watch Fleabag every once in a while . Trulyyyyy a master piece
Friendly space ninja made a video on it
yes!! exactly! it takes so much creative integrity to know how to make to perfect character arcs and know when to stop
The incredible thing is Fleabag was only suppose to be one season and Phoebe Waller-Bridge was reluctant to make a season 2 yet she did and it was even more incredible! Like wow!!!
I came to the comments to talk about fleabag but I'm glad someone else did it before me
Dan Levy literally had this mindset when he made the last season of Schitts Creek! They were just starting to get popular after being on streaming but he knew he didn’t want to drag out a dead story so he ended it perfectly and now it’s beloved AND award winning
Thats amazing! So glad they did that for schitts creek
that last season was so satisfying
Everyone's saying it, but it's true: Avatar: The Last Airbender. Perfect length. Perfect chapters to thematically tie the story- water: the discovery and introduction. Earth: the grounding and fleshing out of the story. Fire: heightening of stakes up to the epic finale.
You wish there was Air. Like, I was left wanting more. That's the best feeling. Even without the miscalleneous comics/books, I could imagine the story going forward. It lives on with a great memory left to me of the good times had.
Sherlock is a series that got too big and became stupid. It should have ended with the second series. Instead it turned into a joke.
Plausibility was never Sherlock's strong point. Even then, having Moriarty come back was just fucking stupid.
I don’t mind season 3 of Sherlock, but 4, especially the last episode, is bad. Doesn’t shake my love of the first 2 1/2 seasons
And even the Great Divide had its purpose to the story, even if it can be skipped and you won't miss much of the story. It was really Aang's first experience with solving conflict, and people miss that.
I’m willing to die on the hill that Stranger Things should’ve been either single season or an anthology with new characters each season. First season ended perfectly and IMO and later seasons lost the horror elements in favour of just being a nostalgia fest.
It gets worse in my opinion when the group is either split up or they add too many new characters. The charm of season 1 was that we followed a tight knit group of kids trying to save their friends. Then they added that girl and started splitting up the group, then in the third season there are way too many extra characters and the original group is barely together. I get that it's realistic for friends to outgrow each other at that age but for the audience, it felt like the show lost what it was supposed to be. I wish they'd stopped after the first or _maybe_ the second season.
This is the first time ive heard the anthology idea and its genius.
From the minute I finished the first season, I said there does not need to be another, perfect as it is
Sameee, every next season was just beating the dead horse even more and the cliffhanger for 4th season is RIDICULOUS, it looses all of the 3rd season's tension since the sacrifice of the characters was for nothing.. made me hate Sttanger Things but I will still love first season
@@kickitsmooth that was actually how the show was genuinely supposed to be. if you look it up online articles mention that it was pitched to Netflix with the intention to be an anthology series. but Netflix had the hindsight that the audience would fall in love with the characters and thought it would be best to continue their journey through multiple seasons.
The Good Place is one of the best shows ever because it ended exactly when the story reached its natural conclusion. It’s such a quick watch because there are almost no filler episodes. Everyone’s arc is wrapped up and nothing feels rushed or prolonged
to be honest the last season felt like such a slump compared to the other three, even if it did have a logical conclusion
I’ve never made it through the third season I feel like there’s a slight dip in quality when I watch
@pankobby Absolutely agree. Never thought I'd see the day where fullmetal and the good place (two of my favorite shows) are praised within the same comment section.
Also, Castlevania on Netflix is another one that has little filler, isn't too long and ends on a high note.
Factssssss!
I've just never found that show funny. That being said, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is tight
Squid game should’ve been a limited series from the start. Then their should’ve been a sequel series based on The Front Man and how he got there. Also we need to know more about his brother cause it was foul that they just killed him off.
theyre joking guys get the joke
K-dramas tend to only have 1 season which is why I love them, the writers are able to wrap up the whole story and deliver proper conclusions in just 16-20 episodes. No dragging the storyline out for multiple seasons like American shows do.
Yeah thats also why i love k dramas
the director of squid game says he doesn't plan on ever doing a season 2 and the ending is supposed to be open ended, which I think is the best choice. He wrote it more than a decade ago so I don't think he would be ok with a rushed sequel he never planned on. The ending with him not getting on the plane was always a part of it, not just a cliffhanger netflix added to hype up a second season, so it's actually a really satisfying ending in my opinion,,,let's hope they don't fuck over the director and make a season 2 no one asked for-
the show makes so much money means netflix is gonna milk it, the fact that the director left the ending so open-ended just makes it easier for them
@@alexlobitz219 yeah that’s what sucks about the whole situation,,,,i wouldn’t even be surprised if the director doesn’t want to do a second season so they get a new one which you KNOW will be a disaster….hopefully he at least stays on and maybe gets to do the prequel idea he’s talked about when being asked about a season 2 🥲
he hasnt said that he wouldnt ever do it though, just that he wasnt planning on it necessarily
Squid Game is most definitely getting a second season, it's only a matter of time.
Problem is people do ask for a s2 cause they dont know better haha
13 reasons why is a perfect example of this. We were literally given the 13 reasons why yet they continued for 3 more seasons
I am so glad 13 reasons why kept going. Seasons 3 and 4 are off the fucking rails. I’ve never had more fun watching a show
Made no sense
@@nicole_1747 sure it was fun but the story just kept on getting worse and worse
@@atharvashinde4905 It's fun to watch how shit it is though
DARK ended pretty much perfectly after 3 seasons and every single episode is amazing.
I hated season 3 cos of the different universe thing I loved it when it was just time travel
Bro, Over the Garden Wall ended PERFECTLY. You get enough of background information to understand the story, you get to see what happened to all the characters after the story itself ended, even if just for a brief moment. It's great, you don't get anymore than you need, and if we did get more, then I feel the story would lose its charm. Even if I want more things like it, I'm perfectly content watching it on repeat every halloween until I die.
Korean dramas very rarely get 2nd seasons, which is actually why I love them. It's 10-20 (usually 16) 1 hour long episodes, and then the show ends. Resolved, with no cliffhanger. It's just so nice compared to American shows that either gets dragged out to make more money or gets cancelled too early.
This is why i prefer them but now idk because Netflix is buying and renewing them. Hopefully they'll realize a lot of people like them short
Korean filmmaking, screenwriting and acting (for the most part) is so on point. Finally, foreign audiences are getting to see soooo many incredible films and tv shows coming out of Korea. I read that directors train, basically like an apprentice, with a great director before they take on their own movies or shows. What I enjoy most about Korean shows and movies, aside from what you pointed out, is how they don’t feel the need to have actors articulate every thought or piece of exposition. A simple look or nod is enough for the audience to know or at least get some idea of what might be happening. We don’t need to be spoon fed, and that helps make a great drama, thriller or even horror story. If you enjoyed Squid Game, then you might also like Sweet Home (Netflix). Not quite the same level but still great. And check out Mother, another of Parasite writer/director’s earlier movies.
Itaewon Class is such a good show. It tells a complete story over 16 episodes in which every character ends in a place that is different from where they began. There would be no story to tell in a second season. The show said everything it needed to.
Yeah i think Western shows should take a big note from Korean shows, like make something good and short that can be wrapped in a season or two. If its good or popular enough maybe it'll get to go on, but i know and get that a lot western audiences are really use to shows, movies and media in general having multiple sequels, spinoffs and successors and theres a lot of money in that from a marketing side. So with that in mind to me the cut off for a show should be 5 seasons. Thats generally when shows start falling off, really in my opinion no show needs more than 5 seasons, because after that it usually just gets unnecessary to me. Like after that usually the creators, writers and executives start milking the show for all its worth, the shows popularity starts whining, or theres a dip in quality. Like if you cant do everything you set out to do at the beginning with 5 seasons worth of content then your doing something wrong. There are expectations, some shows have stayed good and maintained its popularity after more than 5 seasons but thats all they are, just the expectations not the norm.
You either die a Squid Game or live long enough to see yourself become The Office Season 9.
Honestly, Drake and Josh has to be in the conversation for best sitcom of all time. Extremely consistent, got better as it went along, and never overstayed its welcome. Easily the goat teen sitcom, that's for sure.
I still think of that show and I'm 24, HUG ME BROTHA
I’m not sure about best sitcom ever. I think it doesn’t stack up to many of the others. But as for best teen or kid sitcom? I can see that
Community too #6SeasonsAndAMovie
Mr. Robot is a perfect show for me. It answered almost every question by the end and wrapped up every single detail that we saw while also going above and beyond with cinematography and imagination. I think part of why it was so cohesive was because it was first envisioned as a film.
Yep, Mr robot ended perfectly. One of the few shows I’d consider a masterpiece
That reminds me, I never finished watching it. Beautiful show, but it's heavy.
@@hawktalon7890 yeah, super heavy but it's so worth it. Ending considers so many details of last seasons, chef's kiss.
mr robot is a masterpiece 4 sure
season two was terrible
Community was in an unfortunate situation where it definitely could have kept going if they could've kept their actors but they couldn't. You can tell that the writers still had more to give but were crippled by the cast changes
after troy left i tapped out. just wasnt the same without him
even tthen they were still able to work with what they had and ended on a decent note before it started to get stale
Interesting to me that the major NBC sitcoms of the 2000s/early 2010s all suffered from losing major cast members towards the end. The Office - no more Steve Carell, Parks and Rec - no more Rob Lowe and Rashida Jones, Community - no Chevy Chase, Donald Glover, Yvette Nicole Brown
this is why I love miniseries. They can go more in depth with characters than a film can but still tell a self-contained story with a clear beginning and end. Watchmen and The Queens Gambit are some of the best TV I’ve ever seen, miniseries rule!
could not agree more with you
Well yeah and squid game totally fits into that category, problem is it got so big they really are forced to make a second season.
fleabag is great too!
Mm.
The queen’s gambit was so good😭 I’d love another season. Anna Taylor Joy is such a great actress
malcolm in the middle is the literal perfect show, it combines the endless cycle of no character plots with character plots
Crazy ex girlfriend was the perfect show! Hear me out, Rachel Bloom and the team and cast behind were absolute geniuses. It sounds very girly and at first you will get irritated but later on you will understand why + they cover mental health so good. Criminally underrated
OMG YESSS, I was gonna mention that! Perfect length and planning!!!
Here for this!!! Was going to bring it up too. One of the best shows out there and ended in the 4 seasons just as planned
The arcs, the music, and the TITLES everything is done just so well
Literally! It’s so slept on 🥲
I hope people out of the intended audiece can see this and give it a watch
Avatar: The Last Airbender - hands down one of the most well executed shows of all time. You can't change my mind
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Best show. Period.
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I think bojack horseman had a great ending. The writers thought they were gonna have 1 or 2 more seasons and then netflix told them no so they wrapped the show up beautifully
yeah i think it was for the best that Netflix made that call funny enough. There's only so many times we can watch bojack screw everything up. The ending felt like it was naturally building there and was well paced too. And I dont think 2 more seasons would've added much besides a bit of fatigue from how much suffering this horse has to go through.
@@Ray03595 probably if they had fleshed out season 6 into two seasons (it's already split up in 2 parts) it would have been better imo but the writers knew how to play the cards they were given and bojack horseman is still one of, if not the best netflix originals out there
Riverdale had a really good intriguing first season that should have been all the show did. I loved it and remembered it fondly. It seemed really unnecessary to do a season 2 but I watched it and just.... wow. THEN they did a season 3 and half way through I was out. It destroyed everything I felt for the first season and now I cringe at those beloved comic book characters I used to read all the time as a kid.
It's a rip off of twin peaks
Riverdale is so bad, but S1 and I was loving that show. It's just a meme, since then. And I don't know a person that would genuinely enjoy that show....
i feel like nathan is the only person making videos like this these days-- super tight, not very long, with skits and gags and a light tone the whole time...i absolutely love it.
Mr.Robot is criminally underrated. it was a show that always knew where it was going from the beginning and didn't overstay it's welcome.
FACTS
Gravity Falls was that for me. Ended on a perfect note
1000%
THIS
Though... it did get cancelled and felt a little rushed at the end.
Did appreciate how the "filler episodes" were explained near the end. Havent seen a show pull that off before
When bo burnham said “we’ll stop beating this dead horse when it stops spitting out money” I felt that
Gravity Falls is a perfect example of a perfectly planned show and plot that ended without stretching it out. Masterpiece
I feel like She-Ra (2018 version) went out with its best season. And I think its because they had a clear start and ending plan
All the show long arcs (for both the story and the characters) seemed to reach a great and natural feeling end by the finale which made it really satisfying to watch
I really wish more shows followed their formula
SAME.
Though I do wish we got a years later movie or a crossover with either of the He-Man shows out
over the garden wall is the perfect example of a stellar mini-series… the perfect 10 episode story arc, the perfect fall aesthetic, and the perfect old cartoony vibes… it’s rewatchable every year when you want to dive back into autumn
Such an underrated show
Literally haven’t read a better series of words in my life
That show slaps harder than my mom when I don’t defrost the chicken
omg that fake ending juked me the FUCK out lmaooo another CLASSIQUE!!
Me too, I nearly cried
@@nmsibiya8536 I left the fullscreen and everything
@HTHAZE bro me too, I had to check the video time, and was like too soon mate. This guy never misses.
i acc lost my mind for a hot sec
that nacho libre music tho
The Walking Dead used to be one of my all time favorite shows until its later seasons. Those episodes started feeling uninspired. It's incredibly disappointing to see something that was once so enjoyable taper off in such an anticlimactic way
agreed. Personally, I disliked how many more characters were being added and how the original ones were being killed off. It just made watching the show so exhausting tbh
Grey's Anatomy is that show that I loved and thought I would never get tired of watching but despite the "there's always gonna be people going to the hospital" the writers messed up the best characters and it got so weird and boring I stopped watching
Agreed! After calzona’s divorce and mc dreamy dying I was OVER IT. They’ve lost their way and now just keeping it going for no reason. Show needs to end asap
@@Koko3op_CeeCee it's because the actors wanted to leave lmao
Even though it hurt in the moment, Gravity Falls ended at the perfect moment. Not a single dull season, it didn’t have a lot of filler, and the story was compelling all the way through. They ended it right.
The creator ended it himself. Massive respect for that guy. An opposite of the Show Star vs the forces of evil
I kind of disagree. I felt like it ended a little too early because we didn’t get much time with the new status quo after Ford got there, it just seemed like we went straight to the end. Maybe I should rewatch it. I did appreciate them not holding on too long, but I wanted just a liiiiiiitle bit more.
Would’ve been better if season 2 ended with the Ford reveal (with extra episodes before that) and we had an entire season 3 with him.
@@hughjass8853 yes I totally agree
Bojack Horseman was everything, the ending was so well balanced that we'll keep forever
Bojack is another show other than GOT that ended a little too early. Could’ve used one more season before the end, though they still handled the final season well
@PandaCat Says yeaaaah that's true, i felt kinda empty when it ended but at least it wasn't disappointing
this is why i have so much respect for phoebe waller bridge for refusing to do a fleabag season 3 even though amazon was begging her to do it. there is power in knowing when your story is done and having the conviction to end it despite the demand for more.
Bojack Horseman is another great example of this. If it had gone for more than 2 seasons of the horse struggling to be happy, it would feel to drag on. It had one of the most unexpected and satisfying endings
That’s actually of the few shows where the studio cancelling the show made it better. The show writer actually wanted the show to go on for 10 seasons but Netflix decided to cancel the show and gave the writers an opportunity to close all lose ends by creating one last season
Nathan: squid game told a complete and satisfying story, we don’t need a season 2
Netflix: cash rules everything around me CREAM
Dolla dolla dolla bills dawg
the ending wasnt complete nor satisfying. they can probably get a full season out of seeing the demise of the vips but once that is done and the games are over then yeah its complete. season 3 is where the cash grab starts because thats when were venturing off common sense and more into "what should we have them do now".
The fact that everyone said this but the director felt the need to go after Lebron
Get the money
The cool thing about Friends is that the original cast was there all the way.
i just realized that that’s usually not the case..wow
thats crazy, you're right, they even had side characters that were recurring in all seasons like Janice, Gunther, even David who was barely there was in both seasons 1 and 10. I think the cast just had major loyalty to the show, most of them were pretty up & coming and not known in entertainment at that point so even though they did make other ventures while still filming friends, they ultimately knew friends is how and why they got their big breaks. Many actors in tv shows these days are already well known so they wouldn't feel that same connection to the shows they're doing regardless of how well it does.
@@teadora99 I’m sure the $1m per episode didn’t hurt too
Same for how I met your mother
Star Wars: The Clone Wars had the reverse situation where it started out sorta raggedy and ended as quite literally one of the greatest animated series I have *ever* seen. Literally every season is a tenfold improvement on the last. The final season felt like a movie.
I’m late but, I agree 100%
The show didn’t push to end on a sweet note, or provide closure. It ended somber, and grey. The episodes didn’t always relate to each other, yet still followed its own lore and chronological order. Each character had amazing development, each villain was amazingly thought out, it’s truly just breathtaking.
And then we got the spinoff, The Bad Batch, which literally had the title screen of the clone wars that turned into The Bad Batch logo. It's a completely different story but the cliffhanger at the end of season 1 was great. Can't wait to see how all the cloning stuff fits together since that's the theme of The Bad Batch and partially The Mandalorian.
I feel like with streaming platforms gaining more traction, we'll see less dragged out shows. Network television (NBC, ABC, CBS) love long-running shows because they can have episode re-runs and milk advertising dollars. For platforms like Netflix or Hulu, it's more focused on releasing exciting, new content to gain new subscribers and maintain interest from existing ones.
This channel is so underrated. These skits are on point.
It's funny how you can say that at 700k and it's still somehow true. I'm honestly surprised it's not higher.
Tru, even 700k is too little
Dude he’s been underrated since he was TheThirdPew
Fr!!! I love his content I’m surprised he hasn’t blown up yet
@@jesustirado5449 legit thought he was a comedy god
To this day I can’t believe how perfectly Breaking Bad ended. They could have easily milked it, but Vince Gilligan had a story to tell and ended it at the perfect time. I don’t know if that show will ever be topped.
Yeahh Breaking Bad ended perfectly one of the best shows i've ever seen Walter and Jesse's character arcs were full completed and El Camino was kind of an Epilogue for Breaking Bad
You would think he set the stage for others to take inspiration from but no one even tries anymore
I thought GOT was going to be a contendor but it dropped after like season 4. 5-6 having potential to be alright. So yeah breaking bad still sits at the top for me i think
Even though Futurama was cancelled a few times, when it finally ended it was great. Gravity falls ended amazingly but it hurt because I felt it was too short but I also know that if they extended it for a third or fourth season, it wouldn't have the legacy it has today.
Lol futurama is coming back again
5:41 Nah you're right. I love stranger things but I'm surprised they didn't have human villains in seasons 2 & 3. For me, one of the best parts in season 1 was the flashbacks of eleven in the lab/everyone trying to protect her from them. I thought they were gonna make 8 a villain in season 2 but she doesn't even do anything and they spend 2 seasons fighting random monsters.
That 70's Show literally took the main character out for the entire last season, replaced him with some new guy, and when he came back it in the final episode it did absolutely nothing. The show went on for so long the main character got bored and left.
yeah and the earlier seasons were so much fun. I feel like u know they dragged a show if u only ever rewatch eps from first season cough cough gossip girl, Gilmore girls, that 70s show
Gravity Falls is an example of a show that ended perfectly. One of my all-time favs.
It was great to hear you talking about 24! I rarely hear people talk about that show nowadays, but it’s one of my all time favorites.
I'M SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP STRANGER THINGS. season one was so perfect imo, such a fucking great story on its own. it absolutely defined that year for me. i was so excited for season 2, and at the time i loved it but... it has not held up. i still have only watched season 3 once. but i have rewatched season 1 like five times and it really doesn't miss.
It's interesting because most Korean shows only have one season, regardless of how successful they get. But I guess because this is produced by Netflix instead of normal Korean production companies, they probably will milk it out :/ honestly I think they shouldn't do a season 2
Mr. Sunshine with Lee Byung-Hun too is a total masterpiece
@LizzieB yeah I agree the only two I know which had a season 2 are the penthouse ( but it doesn’t really feel like another season to me) and love alarm ( which was produced by Netflix) but I wish I never saw the second season it was so long and boring omg
This is the one time I wish it was like a normal Korean show with one season. Netflix will milk Squid Game to death
hospital playlist has multiple seasons and is still very loved (didn't personally watch it but reception was so good and people are begging for another season)
I don’t even understand how they could do a season 2 because all the characters are dead? Unless they American Horror Story it, but I don’t see how they could do that either 🤔
Fleabag is also a perfect example of "ending on top" or "ending when it should". The first series was great but the second was even greater and a third season would do either one an injustice and betray the amazing character growth of Fleabag
Came here to say Fleabag also! 2 seasons of perfection, I wish there was more but glad it ended so strong
Avatar the Last Airbender and Dark are great examples for shows that were done when they were done. The team behind Avatar was offered more screen time. They could have gotten 6 or more seasons. But they said no. They had the arc planned and they finished it in 3 seasons and it´s one of the most perfect shows ever. Dark was perfectly planned out. Every line, every piece of clothing, of background was placed purposefully. The show would have suffered tremendously if that hadn´t been the case. They knew start and finish and it showed. I love that in shows.
This is what I've been saying! Please let things end. Like sex education on netflix. Sure, I will watch every minute of that wonderful show but it pains me to see it decline in quality, when it could have been brilliant if kept shorter, and therefore more memorable. It becomes so obvious when shows throw in random subplots to stretch out the show. More examples: greys anatomy (omfg), orange is the new black, la casa de papel, outlander, supernatural, lupin, prison break, westworld, pretty little liars (omFg), vampire diaries and so on. Yes some of these shows are ridiculous but if they would have kept it cute, tight and short w a clear vision of how is should END it would have been atleast OK. Instead what happens is the show becomes unbearable and unforgettable. The filler episodes of nonsense ruin the entire thing. The viewer is not stupid and it shows when the producers/showrunners lack a clear vision of how the story will end in a way that is satisfying for the people that are invested in the characters and the world.
I think the show Fleabag is a PERFECT show where the creator really knew how to create a show that does NOT overstay its welcome. Instead, it becomes rewatchable with a tight script and smart writing.
Great video!
Kinda awful that a show that’s a blatant critique of capitalism has an ending (and inevitable second season) entirely dictated by it 🙄
apparently this was the intended ending for a while. It just unfortunately is the perfect setup for capitalism to take advantage of. And I think the writers should've been aware of how contradictory the ending would be to set up a second season for a show that very clearly worked best as a one-off. Let alone, that the thought of Gi-Hun taking down this entire organization is simply ridiculous.
The only loose end that I wonder about is what happened to Ali's family. Is Gi-Hun going to use his money to help them? I suppose they could have a twist where the detective survived getting shot and falling off the cliff, although that seems a bit of a reach. The more I think about it, the more torn I am about the ending. I kind of want to see Gi-Hun take down the evil organization but I wonder if taking the cynical route and just having him get on the plane would be better. At least he won the bet against Il-Nam.
Gi-hun getting on the plane would be unsatisfactory because the show is not about him taking care of his daughter it's about the games and as the viewers we hate the games because of the awful shit they've done so obviously we will root for him to take down the games like what lol
There's NO way a second season of Squid Game could be as good as the first. The first season had the novelty of the games themselves and half the fun (if not all of it) was discovering how they worked, the small glimpses of the stuff behind the scenes serving to whet our appetites while working as a self-contained critique of capitalism. With maybe the exception of the cop and his brother (which imo could never stand alone as an entire season unless some serious finesse is involved), there's just nothing a second season could bring to the table in terms of excitement and thrills. All we can hope for is that it's artistically competent.
Exactly, it's already destined to not be as good as the first. And to be honest, I think the concept covered up a lot of the cliche writing of the series, and that a second season might expose them a bit more.
hot take: the MCU. It really should've ended with endgame, a perfect bow on top. But Disney/Marvel really found a solid moneymaker so they couldn't do it.
Nah The MCU is based on it’s comics, that means it has so many stories/adaptations to tell versus trying to create a completely original story and move it along for 10 years. I do believe the average person will get tired of the MCU just because of that though
@TheGlassesPro what makes the MCU potentially endless without needing to give it a conclusion is the fact it’s based off the comics that are also endless. However, the issue that arises there is the characters. The characters can’t go on forever because their actors get too old eventually. You can’t keep swapping your entire cast every 10-15 years for new characters as the fans no longer have any original characters there. Comics don’t have this issue as they are drawings. I wonder how Marvel will deal with this
@@leoalper4530 I think if they “hand the torch over” to likeable actors. Look at tom holland for example. If they get more younger actors in the next 5-7 years and give them the spotlight and the fans end up liking them they can easily move the mcu over to those characters and then introduce new youngsters etc
@@Jearbearjenkins that's what they are doing at the moment. Phase 4 and 5 are serving as "transition" phases for the MCU. They are introducing new characters or changing the status of pre-established characters to accomodate for a "handing of the torch". Fantastic 4 and X-Men are also on the way so there is still tons left to do to replace the Avengers. I mean they could even do new Avengers all together, such as Young Avengers, or West Coast Avengers. So there is still lots for the MCU to do at the moment. But you can only do this strategy so many times. How many times can you have a 10-15 year saga and then replace your characters and ask fans to reinvest themselves in new characters? Especially if they are replacements of beloved characters. I mean now that Disney owns tons of new characters, it can work but can they really do that again once those new characters also get their movies and have their run before leaving? That's why I think the MCU will eventually have to end. Let's just hope it ends with grace and not abruptly when their movies start becoming consistently shit.
The Wire is another show that did not go for too long, and is underrated. People are divided over the last season, but I really enjoyed when taking into context what the writer were trying to communicate.
It's not Underrated LMAOOOO. Everyone ik who has watched the show knows it's one of the greatest shows OAT
Bojack horseman definitely ended on top, perfect series with 6 excellent series. Although at the time I was sad it was ending, final 3 episode are 10/10s and the series has a very satisfying conclusion. It's a Top 5 show of all time in my opinion
your profile pic is truly horrendous. i love it.
Agreed my boy
I think Bojack Horseman has one of the best final seasons ever. Storylines came to a natural conclusion, characters completed their arcs, and the ending was emotional and cathartic even with it being sort of open-ended.
I was so surprised to learn that Netflix canceled Bojack and the creator wanted to do more. TBH I'm glad they cancelled it so we could have that perfect ending season
boring show
Mr. Robot is a great example of a show with a purpose and stopping when it's over. Sam wrote it as 4 seasons, and that's exactly how long it ran
wasn't there going to be 5 seasons before and wasnt it originally written as a movie. For me its the best show
im so glad someone mentioned this masterpiece of a show it’s a perfect example of having a show planned out
Watched s4 a couple of months ago, tears, real tears bro
@@lancenkosanasenda8211 i don’t even blame you i’m pretty sure everyone who watched season 4 cried
Speaking of British TV, Orphan Black is the perfect length. 5 seasons, 10 episodes each, story wraps up really nicely without dragging on. HBO's Sharp Objects is also an incredible, book-to-TV limited series that wouldn't have worked at all if they'd tried to make it 2 seasons.
There's actually a Heroes spin-off that does explain that ending... and it's even worse.
What really separates the first season of Stranger Things with the other seasons is the friendship of the main 4 boys + elle. It was just so nostalgic and wholesome watching 4 nerdy dnd boys from the 80s interact with each other and a "strange" newcomer. Also the demogorgons just haven't been scary since season 1. There was something so eerie about a humanoid monster like the demogorgon in season 1.
Something that is a big pet peeve of mine is the fact that the boys in season 3 just like stop being nerds and just focus on the girls for some reason. As if in 9th grade it’s just now wrong to like DnD? If it were me i’d probably play DnD to distract myself or something lol. idk i just never liked how they became so girl crazy and lost the connection i really had with them, that being all the nerdy stuff they liked to do in the first and somewhat second season.
Yeah the first season is a great horror show about the 4 boys and Elle. Then the second 2 seasons are a great action adventure show about Steve and the sheriff. They’re all great but it’s weird that they’re the same show
@@ethanscheible3272 I think it is natural for them to start focusing on girls and romance and stuff like that, like its highschool, yes you have your geeky and nerdy obsessions but they just become a side thing by this point. I'm still in high school, so I don't know if I'm the best person to talk about this, but it's just what I think.
yeah im not actually sure if the story is going on too long, or if the writing is just simply bad. Feel like better writers could've given us a 2nd and 3rd season where something different actually happens to these characters and then ended it.
@@Ray03595 there's SO much more they could've done with season 3 it's absolutely bad writing. like they could've looked into the other numbers other than 11 in more depth, or the relationship between elle and the upside down, the history of the studies that they were doing with her mom ?? the vastness of the mindflayer was terrifying and then we just got a ... glob ? why did we add russians to the mix ??
Gravity Falls was definitely a show that went out on a high. It's writing is just out of this world, I watched it when I was in year 4 then again in year 8 and it still blows my mind. It's a drama but the comedy is perfectly timed to relieve us. The show ending was definitely predictable but still greatly executed that it still kept me on the edge of my seat.
I definitely agreed. Even how the story concludes with the Armageddon battle of Bill Cipher and his disciples.
absolutely!! It's literally the perfect show
I just commented the same thing!!! Obviously I was sad that it ended so soon but it was perfectly planned out
8:40 this is a cool comparison, but she also released the MTV unplugged performance featuring new original songs that kinda showed she couldn't do it again
I'm so glad you mentioned Heroes. I actually loved the first season, it had such a comic book feel to it. Seeing all these characters develop separately only for all their storied to tie together at the end was amazing. Such a shame the rest of the show was never able to match up to it.
They should reboot
Bojack Horseman ended at the perfect time. 6 seasons and all of them are amazing. Arguably the greatest tv show of all time.
YES and all the best episodes are in the later seasons too!
Should watch Attack on Titan
Is the story finished? Would like to start watching
@@eggggg00 yes
@@eggggg00 Yes. That show fucks you up man--can't recommend enough.
1:44 that transition though
Flocky flocky goes harddd
@@syedabood2478 best on the album after outer space
Spicy as heck ain't it m8
I was literally thinking how good it was 😂 Glad to see someone else appreciated it too 💯🔥
I think almost all teenage shows are great examples of shows that should have ended sooner.. Riverdale, The 100, PLL, Vampire diaries, Teen Wolf, Gossip Girl... the list goes own
I think going out on top is not really the priority for most networks nowadays. As you said, the main thing is finding the next money maker, keep it until it's not profitable and move on. Legacy only has meaning to the viewers while the producers will put the most value on how long a show was able to air successfully.
Dude. Gravity Falls is a perfect show in my opinion. From start to finish, it holds the same quality the entire time and then resolves perfectly. People were bummed out because it only had 40 episodes, but Alex Hirsch told his story, told it beautifully, and ended it perfectly. GRAVITY FALLS 10/10 BITCH
I don’t know why people want another season. Why can’t we just let things be?
YES
I second this massively
facts.
I wouldn't say 10/10 but it was a great show. Disney's weird release schedule didn't help the show when it came to attracting new viewers.
Even breaking bad found a way to keep going making a spin off for a character and somehow that show is also great
hope another spinoff comes soon
Adventure time imo ended beautifully, even tho it had the kind of formula that really could of just gone on forever, they actually kept a real storyline slowly developing and the ending only made me feel a deep love for the show
1:35 My sentiments exactly. Shows always lose me when they switch up after season1. I like the hook and gimmick of the premise, I don't wanna see that shit thrown in the trash for some generic 'take down the bad guys' shit.
Jane the virgin was dragged on for YEARSSS. Everything you needed to know was in the first episode. Jane was saving herself until marriage and got accidentally artificially inseminated. That’s the title of the show. And the entire show is her tossing up whether she wants the baby, and whether she stays with her boyfriend or the baby daddy. Look, it was funny and I enjoyed it. But it really could’ve been one and done in a season, not five 😂🙄
I disagree, the character development and evolution of the relationships across multiple seasons was brilliant storytelling and one season couldn’t do it justice.
@@bela_52 Agreed, but it did feel little dragging out/dull towards the later seasons
Show could’ve ended after three, the last two seasons felt like subpar dlc
The last szn was just wack
I feel like Supernatural would’ve went out on top had it ended with Season 5. Instead it continued on for another 10 seasons and none of it ever felt as cohesive as the first 5 seasons did. Also, as much as I love Dragonball, it could’ve ended with Cell and I would’ve been fine with that run.
Agreed about Supernatural. It’s interesting because the original plan from the creator was 5 seasons only and you can tell. But it was obviously so popular that they continued past the original plan and even though some of my favorite episodes come past season 5, the overall storyline became so convoluted that I liked the series less and less
Imagine a show that keeps raising up the stakes for 5 seasons, where the characters have to battle demons, then Big Bad demons, then angels and even archangels until they have to face the Devil himself. And they actually win in an emotional, bittersweet finale. And then it just keeps on going for 10 more seasons lol.
I agree. I loved Supernatural, but it just kept going on and on and the stakes weren't there anymore - if they die, they will be resurected the next episode. What is the point then?
Yeah, Supernatural hands down worst offender of all time. But made CW a ton of money for going on over twice the length it should've lol.
supenatural felt like a game that just kept putting out dlc instead of finally moving on to the next installemnt. every new season im like *what more could they do with this story, theyve already done everything in the bible*
Nathan: "You want Wanda to go through more grief? Leave her alone"
Also Nathan: "I love it when Spider-Man suffers"
😂
The first season of True Detective is one of the best TV shows I've ever watched, stupidly good. It's a shame they decided to make more seasons as they don't live up to the first but at least they're unrelated
I feel like squid game could work with several seasons if they just ignored Gi-hun, an anthology series where we have different characters each time and we learn more and more every time could probably go for 5+ years and still be interesting. They could also do like flashback seasons where we see the frontman play or the first games etc etc. They could stretch this for years and it would be... ok, but i would like them to end on top like you've said. To go with Breaking bad, Gravity Falls and One piece as shows that ended short and didn't stretch it
Im sorry, but did you just list one piece as a short anime?
It would be cool to see the second season focus on the frontman and how the games initially got started.
mans really tried to sneak one piece ahahaha
One Piece...... Really.....
Like a live action danganronpa
It’s always a good time when you post
that edit at 1:43 though!
thanks for the videos over the years man. watching your progression has been inspiring.
This is why I love miniseries like Chernobyl, The Dropout and 11.22.63. Also some anime like Higehiro, Erased, Death Note, Parasyte etc.
A show I find super interesting is Always Sunny. Shits been running for like 16 years and hasn’t withered and died like other sitcoms. I wonder if it’s because the characters are awful people who never learn from their mistakes, so they can exist in an eternal yet believable state of non-development.
I was looking for the iasip comment. That's so true I think because the gang is so awful you just wanna see if they can top off what they have done so far . And the characters are deeper that what they seem
@@sammmy967 IASIP is such an interesting example because while I do feel the last couple of seasons have been slightly weaker (at some points when I was watching it felt like they were just rehashing old jokes, kind of like the show had lost its mojo from the earlier seasons), they have found a way to strike a balance between developing the characters' traits and dynamics while simultaneously keeping them 'static' enough as to ensure that the gang stays relatively the same and everyone keeps playing their role sort of
That show is going downhill imo. It’s still pretty funny but i feel like i can rewatch almost all episodes from the first 10-11 seasons while after that im ok with only seeing those episodes once and be done with it
Don't think that the last two seasons are a proof of going downhill. They have some classic episodes in there, just some weaks ones but still it's really impresive that they can have some of the best episodes after that many seasons.
Hope the new one gets on top like the firsts TWELVE seasons
Dark is an example of a series that ended at just the right time. It's only three (pre-planned) seasons. It's incredibly well-written and although some people don't love the third season quite as much, it's still a high quality show all the way through. Amazing casting, soundtrack, symbolism, etc.
One of the best series of the last 10 years
Bro I tried to watch it but just got way too lost. Love the concepts and ideas but it was too much going on for me
came to the comments specifically to say this!!! 10/10
Literally one of the greatest tv shows ever made. Hate how many people are missing out on it because it’s a foreign tv show.
absolutely, this show is amazing on all fronts
1:43, is perfect. What a transition. Instant CLASSSIC
i used to watch a show called the last man on earth that would end every season on a cliffhanger, and it got canceled after 4 seasons after the reveal of dozens of people still being alive and coming out from under the ground. It pissed me off when realized they would never resolve that.
Squid Game has even less reason than a lot of shows to stay past its welcome since it's bound by the fact that it's so tied to its allegory and message about current stage capitalism and it pretty perfectly conveyed said message, every character played their role and died when necessary, the plot is bigger than Gi-hun or Sangwoo or Saebyeok or the cop or whoever else, and sure, there's open ends whether Jun-ho survived being shot, what happened for his brother to end up like that and of course the ending few seconds with Gi-hun not getting on the plane and clearly planning something but it doesn't bother me personally if those plot points are ever tied up and I'm happy for it to stay open ended because Squid Game is set in the real world, it's not like Hunger Games where while it has a similar ideology behind it; it's dystopian and otherwordly and it's in part a self-insert fantasy/projecting means for teenagers. It doesn't do any service to Squid Game as a series if you had Gi-hun and Jun-ho end the games. Because that means, to the viewers and in relation to said allegory, you gonna have Gi-hun quite literally ending capitalism.
And that would just be weird as hell and bad writing if you took an average, outright goofy, cinnamon roll ass, sweet character like Gi-hun, who is meant to be a direct stand-in for a bunch of real world problems and impoverished people (right down to the strike he took a part in 11 years ago being based on a real workers strike that happened in South Korea in 2009) and whose character is meant to be all about kindness, caring, trust and humanity persevering in spite of great greed, pain and cruelty being something's he's faced with and given the option to take part in (and it being a big point that it is _not_ in his character to hurt others, Saebyeok outright says it when he considers killing Sangwoo, not like someone like Katniss who is a far more fantastical character and is trained like a warrior, Gi-hun is literally just someone's nice, cute dad who done fucked up), and just had him going John McClane mode or turning into a genius and doing some guerilla warfare bullshit on a bunch of people who are meant to be stand-ins for real life billionaires, and I'm sorry but that's fucking dumb as hell bro
tl;dr my point is asking for a Squid Game season 2 is almost like asking for a fucking Animal Farm or 1984 sequel, it's a piece of media trying to say something, conveying the state of affairs at a pretty specific time and place and while it'll hold weight for years to come it just cheapens it to make a season 2, it already said what it had to say so their choices going forward are either saying more of the same or having it turn into some whack, out of character, shark jump-y bullshit
great analysis bro
If the dead characters stay dead and there's a completely new cast except for the lead, with a new game
OR
If there's a prequel that dives into one of the dead character's past
I'd be fine with that
Not going to read all of that.I’m happy for you or sorry you’re going through all of that
@@TehMr ah the classic answer. Simple yet affective. You've earned my respect
"Sesame street can go on forever because these kids are always gonna be dumb and don't even know how to count". The best line.
One show I use to love and went on I think for to long is “House”. It became predictable quickly. Someone has this strange illness, they get two or three diagnoses and then House magically figures out the real issue. Bt for some reason I really liked that show 😂
Daredevil would’ve gone out perfectly if they didn’t add the bullseye cliffhanger
I feel like insecure is going to be a show that goes out on top. Issa Rae and her team were smart enough to only make the episodes half a hour each and only 8 episodes or less per seaaon. That is just genius. We were always left wanting more. It's good to not overstay your welcome. Fleabag was one of the best shows of the 2010s and in hindsight AI appreciate Phoebe Waller-Brigde for giving us only the 12 episodes for the whole 2 seasons.
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Exactly. Immediately thought of Insecure as soon as I read the title. Issa said it best « you shouldn’t overstay your welcome »
FR fleabag I wanted more of but the way it ended was great. We knew she'd be ok now
@@yaswante4105 yes. She let us into her world and she decided it's time to let us go. Spoiler ahead!!
Just as she let go of her guilt over Boo's death and the hot priest. I wailed like a baby at the end
@@melissamatshediso5048 honestly same, it was rly emotional. u shld put a spoiler warning tho just in case anyone wants to check it out
So glad to see all the Good Place and Bojack Horseman Appreciation! I think Avatar The Last Airbender is another perfect example of having planned out a story to take place over 3 seasons and ending once that arc was complete and because of that we were granted a timeless masterpiece of a cartoon.
Some networks decide to keep shows going because they see profit to be made from a continuation. What some networks fail to realize, however, is that a show which goes on too long and drops in quality affects rewatchability, which can affect future profits.
I’m gonna be honest when I say that I think the way Stranger Things is being handled is absolutely phenomenal. The latest season has been my favorite by far, I just hope they don’t mess it up in the final…