@@ActionRetro I like it un-sanitised. I picked up some old Macs myself, G4 Mini 1.5, eMac 1.25 and iMac G5 2.1. Gonna do OS9/OSX/Ubuntu/MorphOS on 1st two and OSX/Ubuntu/MorphOS on the G5. If I can work out the multibooting 😁
@@methanoid Awesome! I'd also recommend checking out Adelie Linux, it's the modern kernel already compiled for PPC 32 and it's very fast, even on my slow G3 333mhz www.adelielinux.org/
@@ActionRetro I got a G5 that hopefully works. I pulled it out of the recycling pile at my old computer repair job. It's untested but if I can get it working I want to try that. Might make a nice space heater in the winter lol.
15:07 actually the retail boxes of Tiger DID come with stickers! White Apples with a clear surround on a background paper. This missing item, along with the clearly opened/used optical media (and lack of outer shrink-wrapping) is an indicator that it was indeed not an unopened/unused copy. Never the less, the nostalgia was a trip :)
I just picked up my beige G3 266 a couple of days ago to use as a 'bridge' computer between the internet and my old Mac Classic and SE. This is the last Mac to have the ability of reading/writing to 800k floppy disks, but also has the ability to connect to current websites and be able to download software. At least some of them anyway. It's certainly nice to know that they have even more capabilities than what I'm using mine for! Wouldn't have even thought about it if you hadn't made these videos! Cheers! Great job!
Nice job. The person that sold you Tiger either was scamming you or didn’t know it had been opened. Like you, they cracked the box open from the bottom, installed Tiger, put everything back in and closed it back up. You’re correct. A new box of OS X would have stickers. I have big box Jag and Panther, Tiger Server which only ever came in a plastic bag, Leopard and Snow Leopard. A Sonnet Tango is a good choice for USB/FireWire. I also got the SATA card you have, but that’s going in my MDD as I have plenty of Macs running OS X and my G3 is the bridge down to my LCIII and up to my MDD because Leopard still supports LocalTalk.
@@ActionRetro Yep, that's where I got mine. Love the comments from the one star reviewers, "This card sucks cuz it don't support Windows 7/8/10." Go complain to Microsoft, not to NEC for not being psychic.
The biggest benefit that the SATA interface will have over the onboard IDE is the sata bus (and even newer pata cards) will be fully DMA, where as the onboard IDE is programmed I/O as far as I remember. So even with my Beige G3 the CF card was a big boost over the original 4.3 gig drive (at least when i wasn't writing tonnes of small files), the bigger boost was using an ATA 66 card on a faster platter drive. I think it was ahead of the CF card by quite a bit and just simply had a much smoother and usable experience. For a while I was using the onboard SCSI with a 9 gig 10k cheatah which seemed to feel pretty good really. Even though the SCSi isn't very fast at all. I doubt it is even 20mb (10 i think?) But it is at least DMA. That was before finding a working ATA card anyhow. I have not tried an SSD on a sata card yet in my beige, I have one on my Quicksilver dual 800 and to be honest didn't seem much different from the 15K drives I previously had on it. I kind of doubt the 266 is fast enough to really make any sort of use of it... It may be less hesitant in some ways i guess. But on my quicksilver my SCSI card is caching so that probably makes up much of the difference, and although their access time is higher than an SSD by quite a lot, they are still low enough that it doesn't really matter on something as slow as an 800DP.. Anything will be miles ahead of that 4.3 gig IDE drive. Edit: I will also add that the benefit of having no noise or cable clutter is a bonus that is invaluable. So even if the beige doesn't benefit speed wise, the clean internals with DMA transfers really do give this machine new life.
Mac OS X 10.1 Puma isn’t the worst, I’d argue version 10.0 Cheetah was. 😉 I remember 10.1 being such a nice upgrade, of course Jaguar 10.2 was even better. It’s nice to see all the upgrades you did, I may have to try a few with my MiniTower.
Haha, can't argue there, but 10.0 holds a special place in my heart. Using that and the public beta felt like magic. It was like "it's OK that you're slow little buddy, you're so new!" 10.1 came out and it was like, "hmm, still kind of slow and it's not so cute anymore".
You should definitely try to go for faster on the stock bus speed. I’ve found that overclocking the systembus can cause all sorts of issues. But if I was able to get my G3 to 400mhz I hope you can get your g4 higher. And a much faster GPU will make a huge difference. I popped a Radeon 7100 in mine and it made a HUGE difference in both OSX and OS9. Everything (minus web browsing) was silky smooth 60 FPS vsynced.
That little black retainer clip that holds up the IO assembly when it's folded up - I don't know how many of those little f'ers I broke back in the day but watching this video triggered some long lost memories! :) I still reckon the Colour Classic was the shiz for serviceability with it's motherboard that could be slid straight out the back!
Is that is an official Apple iCat upgrade? The addition of a "Moggy" is a good upgrade to any Mac, but you should PAWS for thought before getting one... they can be rather expensive to maintain. 😁
XPC7410 RX533PD is pretty much the fastest G4 on a ZIF you can get for a Beige G3. Back in 2000 - 2001 timeframe I managed to get one up to 709MHz thanks to bus speed and multiplier changes, VID boost (via soldering iron), a 20W Peltier cooler, and a modified PC copper ZIF heatsink with the loudest cooling fan on earth: Vantec Tornado. Of course this was in a minitower Beige G3 case and not the desktop version, since better cooling and airflow was to be had. Oh, and I was only able to get 768MB of RAM working with ECC (yes, the bizarre 9-chip DIMMs) memory modules.
Nice video. If I'm not mistaken, that G4 has no 3rd level cache and this penalizes its performance. OSx thus suffers and the low memory does not allow it to use applications for Tiger. A good accelerator should have the ram, cache, disk controller and other special functions in a dedicated card (German Phase 5 sold Mac and Amiga cards with these features). Make a video using applications, video, 3D, games and using a dedicated PCI video card ...
Somewhere out in the past, there's an 11 year old version of me cursing your name with envy to not only have gotten OS X on one of those G3s, but to have gotten it all the way to 10.4- little me would have had his mind explode lol
Nice series mate, I'm planning on doing something similar with a 7600 and a Sonnet G3 upgrade. Since you have a G4 in there, why not try to install Leopard or even Snow Leopard on this? I mean, it's going to be slow, but that would be pretty cool.
I remember from late 90s some PC mobos were able to clock bus up to 83mhz, but all pci devices were not too stable especially ide and raid boards. I stopped messing with bus clocks when I my ide raid lost config and all my data was gone.
I still can't believe this channel isn't more popular. Videos are just as well done as, day, TechMoan or 8-Bit Guy. Not at all an Apple fan myself but you've taught me a lot about their retro systems.
This show how corporation block technology (only HDD many years block speed @ll specification in the computer). Now we see where is problem. Great Job Bro, Regards from Poland. Perfect is Talk Theatre Hand ];-D Comedy just like Kermit.
This was an outstanding series for all three (3) Parts. Hope that, you will be able to do a future update once you get the Fire-wire 400 ports up and working. While, I prefer to keep my vintage apple computers close to what were available upgrades when these systems were new. Do wish that, I had your technical skills and resourcefulness. Your videos are truly a treat to watch!
Thank you so much! It's definitely a fine line between between what level of upgrades feel "right" and which ones wouldn't feel realistic for the machine.
When I installed Tiger back in 2005 it went onto my G3 Clamshell iBook OK but my G3 iMac at the time only had a CD-ROM. Included in the installer box were four Apple coupons whereby you could exchange the Tiger installer DVD for a set of Tiger installer CDs. Cost was AU$15.
Hey action retro,I know this is an old vid, can you add some sort of really faint royalty free background music. I’m just used to the 8-bit guys style of having random 8-bit/synth music playing faintly whenever he talks, and I think it would be a helpful addition for people like me.
I actually got a still sealed in plastic copy of mac os 10.5 from eBay for just 40€ because the seller had no idea of its worth! I am keeping it sealed for the next 10 years and am then planning to resell it again!
I tried adding this same SATA pci card to my beige G3 minitower, but with the card installed, the computer would not boot. Any suggestions on what I was doing wrong? Years ago, I added an 800Mhz G4 CPU upgrade, an ATI 9200, and replaced the old HD. I have recently added a faster NIC, a USB card. maxed out the RAM, and today I retrobrighted the computer and my MacAlly keyboard... So nice! Thanks!
Some upgrade ideas: - If the new firewire card has internal USB as well, you could put in a USB Bluetooth dongle and use a wireless keyboard or mouse. - You could take out the zip drive and its cable, and you'd have not only more airflow, but you'd have space to put something else there (although to be fair your options are limited). - Its hard to tell if there are extra ports for fans on the motherboard, but if there are you could stick some Noctowa fans in there. - If you get a video card that supports it, you could get a dual monitor setup.
Nice ideas! Funny you mention Noctua fans, I literally just picked some up for this machine 🤣 I kind of like having a zip drive, but I am trying to think of ways to improve the airflow. One other idea I had was to take out the personality card, since it only works under OS9, and put some fans where the slot is around back.
@@ActionRetro Isn't the zip drive broken though? I would at least replace it with another one of those super floppy drives, like an LS super disk, since those don't break as often if I'm not mistaken.
I bought one of these on eBay and it just arrived yesterday. It was listed as the original g3 266, but it turned out to have a ton of upgrades. Sound card, FireWire card, a USB card (which instantly recognized my apple pro keyboard and optical mouse) 320mb of ram, an 80gb hdd, and, most surprisingly, a g4 400mhz upgrade. I was blown away. It’s also super clean inside and I replaced the pram first thing. Ironically I only bought it in the first place to use it’s floppy drive and network adapter with some disk images to get some software on an old Macintosh SE I’ve had for years.
Silly question but it's the main thing preventing me from getting a G3: Are there any limitations to using a USB PCI card for peripherals (i.e. keyboard and mouse)? Say I need to hold Shift to disable extensions on bootup, is that something I can do with a USB keyboard or do I really need an ADB device for that?
Take a look for Radeon 7500 cards from Xserve machines, they are PCI, and Mac-Rom and natively supported in older PCI macs. I have one in my Powertower Pro clone running in OS9, and it was like 10$ on ebay. Also, what happens when you boot up holding OPTION? Does it give you a boot selection screen?
It's this controller from eBay, which unfortunately looks sold out now: www.ebay.com/itm/4-Port-SATA-PCI-Card-for-Apple-Macintosh-Mac-OS-PowerMac-G4-SSD/132581321334. Good idea about the clickable TOC.
It might be more convenient having one less cable in the box, but you'll see better speeds having the CD-ROM and CF-IDE on separate IDE channels. Especially during install when both are reading/writing.
The main issue I had with my Beige G3 in tiger was with the optical drive. The drive would work at first then would cause the whole system to crash. If I never used the optical drive the system was 100% stable, but as soon as I tried to use the optical drive the system would eventually crash. But I was also using a Pioneer DVD-110d. The drive worked flawlessly in OS9, and in Jaguar. My Beige G3 went from a 233mhz G3 to a 450mhz G3 from a B&W (obviously not clocked at 450mhz due to the bus speed), 768MB Ram, 120GB HDD, a Radeon 7000, wings personally card.
Wow! It's amazing Few PCI SATA cards work natively in PPC computers. No need to update the firmware of the PCI card? Can you help me find out which is the driver chip for the card? Sil3111ACT144 Sil3112ACT144 Sil3114ACT144 Thanks! I love your channel
There's one of these for sale on eBay at the moment (untested). I'm seriously considering getting it, I've missed having an old mac since my old 7200/166 died in the mid 2000s. I don't know if I'd be able to fix it if it doesn't work though. I was thinking I might just buy an old Mac mini from the early 2010s and running sheepshaver on it.
That was my initial thought too, because I have a PC Radeon 7000 laying around. I actually wound up scoring a Mac Radeon 9200 though. I still might flash the 7000 and put it in my other Beige G3.
This bring back memories. I had the PowerPC 7200/75 in the 90's. I remember taking it apart and looking at the components. I got a TV tuner card for it, but it would not run on 7.5, I had to get 7.6 which I did not have and my mom would not swing for. My friend had a copy but his mother would not let me use it unless I coughed up half the price of the OS, which I think the price at the time was $60 at the time.
I love this beige aberration!!!! Could you you be more specific on the SATA controller PCI card? I think you answered someone about you got to flash certain model it but it would be fantastic to know the details.
Wow. Imagine this upgrade back in 2005 (Without the SSD of course.) How did you and how easy was it to overclock the G4? And where'd you get the wallpaper?
Is this SATA Card a Sil3114 one? I want to install one for my Power Macintosh 9600 but it isn't recognized at all. Have you flashed it with some kind of custom firmware? I heard that you can't use all 4 SATA connections.
This will work on your 9600: www.ebay.com/itm/2-Port-SATA-PCI-Controller-Card-Apple-Macintosh-PowerMac-G3-G4-G5-SSD-OSX-OS-9-/254669346388 It’s working on my 9600 under OS9!
@@dummptyhummpty Is there any possibility that you could dump firmware from this card and mail it to me? I'm from Poland and this card is very expensive for me (and adding shipping costs to that would kill my wallet instantly)
I know its probably fine, but every time I see new SATA harddrives/ssds go into old systems I always hear in my head "Molex to SATA, Lose all your data". I've never had it happen to me, but I always worry. I have a PowerMac G4 with a OWC Mercury Extreme G4 card in there, and its been working with a SATA HDD on Molex for like 2 years, but I still worry.
@@ActionRetro I have a 'mystery' SATA PCI card that I was told would work in Macs. It's not the Sonnet Tempo, but the main IC chips on it say "SI IG" and "PMC Pm39LV010-70JCE". I'll do some testing, and if it works in my Quicksilver you are welcome to have it.
sata drives need power 😁 (first time you connected and said it wasn't recognises)
😂😂😂
@@ActionRetro I like it un-sanitised. I picked up some old Macs myself, G4 Mini 1.5, eMac 1.25 and iMac G5 2.1. Gonna do OS9/OSX/Ubuntu/MorphOS on 1st two and OSX/Ubuntu/MorphOS on the G5. If I can work out the multibooting 😁
@@methanoid Awesome! I'd also recommend checking out Adelie Linux, it's the modern kernel already compiled for PPC 32 and it's very fast, even on my slow G3 333mhz www.adelielinux.org/
@@ActionRetro I got a G5 that hopefully works. I pulled it out of the recycling pile at my old computer repair job. It's untested but if I can get it working I want to try that. Might make a nice space heater in the winter lol.
12:48 "OK, let's see what it's like opening a retail box of 10.4 Tiger" : you really take the "clean install" concept a step further :)
Hahaha
Funny
I have my 10.5 original still. Question is on what can I use it. Oldest I have is a black macbook mid 2007 on OS 10.7.5 - Could I boot?
I recently bought my own Beige G3, and have been maxing it out. It's been great watching someone else on the some quest.
Awesome, thank you! What have you done to yours so far?
Haha I'm doing the same!
15:07 actually the retail boxes of Tiger DID come with stickers! White Apples with a clear surround on a background paper. This missing item, along with the clearly opened/used optical media (and lack of outer shrink-wrapping) is an indicator that it was indeed not an unopened/unused copy. Never the less, the nostalgia was a trip :)
I just picked up my beige G3 266 a couple of days ago to use as a 'bridge' computer between the internet and my old Mac Classic and SE. This is the last Mac to have the ability of reading/writing to 800k floppy disks, but also has the ability to connect to current websites and be able to download software. At least some of them anyway. It's certainly nice to know that they have even more capabilities than what I'm using mine for! Wouldn't have even thought about it if you hadn't made these videos! Cheers! Great job!
Thank you! Love the Beige G3s!
Nice job. The person that sold you Tiger either was scamming you or didn’t know it had been opened. Like you, they cracked the box open from the bottom, installed Tiger, put everything back in and closed it back up. You’re correct. A new box of OS X would have stickers. I have big box Jag and Panther, Tiger Server which only ever came in a plastic bag, Leopard and Snow Leopard. A Sonnet Tango is a good choice for USB/FireWire. I also got the SATA card you have, but that’s going in my MDD as I have plenty of Macs running OS X and my G3 is the bridge down to my LCIII and up to my MDD because Leopard still supports LocalTalk.
Thanks! I actually did just pick up a Sonnet Tango. Someone on Amazon was selling them for around $7 a piece.
@@ActionRetro Yep, that's where I got mine. Love the comments from the one star reviewers, "This card sucks cuz it don't support Windows 7/8/10." Go complain to Microsoft, not to NEC for not being psychic.
@@StevenSmyth Hahahaha
What is the model of the SATA PCI card? I think I could use it in my old PowermacG4 - great series of videos!
I would also like to know!
The biggest benefit that the SATA interface will have over the onboard IDE is the sata bus (and even newer pata cards) will be fully DMA, where as the onboard IDE is programmed I/O as far as I remember. So even with my Beige G3 the CF card was a big boost over the original 4.3 gig drive (at least when i wasn't writing tonnes of small files), the bigger boost was using an ATA 66 card on a faster platter drive. I think it was ahead of the CF card by quite a bit and just simply had a much smoother and usable experience. For a while I was using the onboard SCSI with a 9 gig 10k cheatah which seemed to feel pretty good really. Even though the SCSi isn't very fast at all. I doubt it is even 20mb (10 i think?) But it is at least DMA. That was before finding a working ATA card anyhow.
I have not tried an SSD on a sata card yet in my beige, I have one on my Quicksilver dual 800 and to be honest didn't seem much different from the 15K drives I previously had on it. I kind of doubt the 266 is fast enough to really make any sort of use of it... It may be less hesitant in some ways i guess. But on my quicksilver my SCSI card is caching so that probably makes up much of the difference, and although their access time is higher than an SSD by quite a lot, they are still low enough that it doesn't really matter on something as slow as an 800DP.. Anything will be miles ahead of that 4.3 gig IDE drive.
Edit: I will also add that the benefit of having no noise or cable clutter is a bonus that is invaluable. So even if the beige doesn't benefit speed wise, the clean internals with DMA transfers really do give this machine new life.
Mac OS X 10.1 Puma isn’t the worst, I’d argue version 10.0 Cheetah was. 😉 I remember 10.1 being such a nice upgrade, of course Jaguar 10.2 was even better.
It’s nice to see all the upgrades you did, I may have to try a few with my MiniTower.
Haha, can't argue there, but 10.0 holds a special place in my heart. Using that and the public beta felt like magic. It was like "it's OK that you're slow little buddy, you're so new!"
10.1 came out and it was like, "hmm, still kind of slow and it's not so cute anymore".
You should definitely try to go for faster on the stock bus speed.
I’ve found that overclocking the systembus can cause all sorts of issues.
But if I was able to get my G3 to 400mhz I hope you can get your g4 higher.
And a much faster GPU will make a huge difference. I popped a Radeon 7100 in mine and it made a HUGE difference in both OSX and OS9.
Everything (minus web browsing) was silky smooth 60 FPS vsynced.
Oh yeah, I actually just found a Radeon 9200 that I'm going to put in here! 128mb of VRAM goodness.
Impressive. Master-level troubleshooting / debugging. Fun to see what can be done to soup-up an old beige G3 with some skill & trickery!
That little black retainer clip that holds up the IO assembly when it's folded up - I don't know how many of those little f'ers I broke back in the day but watching this video triggered some long lost memories! :) I still reckon the Colour Classic was the shiz for serviceability with it's motherboard that could be slid straight out the back!
Your videos are really great. The dust tho.... I'm losing my mind please be a friend and get some compressed air. 🙃
That really is a beautiful looking machine, love the upgrades and that G4 you've got in there. Really fun series!
Kinda suprised you can still download the 10.4.6 software updates from Apple.
"We're not gonna need this cable anymore."
"He's gonna need that cable."
"And we've done the install…"
"Wat."
…
"So we need that other cable."
"Heh."
Came here to say the same thing. Hah! I had the exact same issue with the exact same G3, but 10 or more years ago.
Hahah. Dang, I remember getting hundreds of those 10.4 boxes in when it came out. Sold a ton, installed a ton.
Is that is an official Apple iCat upgrade? The addition of a "Moggy" is a good upgrade to any Mac, but you should PAWS for thought before getting one... they can be rather expensive to maintain. 😁
You DID Hot Rod it! Now it needs a FLAME JOB!
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XPC7410 RX533PD is pretty much the fastest G4 on a ZIF you can get for a Beige G3. Back in 2000 - 2001 timeframe I managed to get one up to 709MHz thanks to bus speed and multiplier changes, VID boost (via soldering iron), a 20W Peltier cooler, and a modified PC copper ZIF heatsink with the loudest cooling fan on earth: Vantec Tornado. Of course this was in a minitower Beige G3 case and not the desktop version, since better cooling and airflow was to be had. Oh, and I was only able to get 768MB of RAM working with ECC (yes, the bizarre 9-chip DIMMs) memory modules.
*Force installs Mac OS 10 Big Sur on an og Mac SE
Easy-peasy just make sure you load the right extensions!
Great Mod What Type Of CF Reader Is That And Where Did You Find It. Thanks Dave
Thanks David! It's this one on Amazon: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0026OYEEQ
Mac OS X? ON THIS?! that's really cool
Nice video. If I'm not mistaken, that G4 has no 3rd level cache and this penalizes its performance. OSx thus suffers and the low memory does not allow it to use applications for Tiger. A good accelerator should have the ram, cache, disk controller and other special functions in a dedicated card (German Phase 5 sold Mac and Amiga cards with these features). Make a video using applications, video, 3D, games and using a dedicated PCI video card ...
Pci bus speed is shared across all PCI devices so its 133 minus whatever the other cards are consuming
SO FREAKING COOL!!!
Somewhere out in the past, there's an 11 year old version of me cursing your name with envy to not only have gotten OS X on one of those G3s, but to have gotten it all the way to 10.4- little me would have had his mind explode lol
At the start the SSD would work but you did not connect the sata power
most of those cards needs drivers or injctor kexts on mac as of my knowladge and also sata drives needs a power cable
Nice series mate, I'm planning on doing something similar with a 7600 and a Sonnet G3 upgrade. Since you have a G4 in there, why not try to install Leopard or even Snow Leopard on this? I mean, it's going to be slow, but that would be pretty cool.
Thanks Alex! I do really want to try the Snow Leopard PPC beta on here. The Impossible Cat on the Impossible G4 :)
@@ActionRetro I would love to see a part 5 that has 10.6 installed and an attempt to hack Quartz Extreme.
it will only run as fast as the native pci bus..... regardless of what the drive is
great channel..love those macs..where can I find this nice vintage desktop background pic at 24:03 ?
I remember from late 90s some PC mobos were able to clock bus up to 83mhz, but all pci devices were not too stable especially ide and raid boards. I stopped messing with bus clocks when I my ide raid lost config and all my data was gone.
I believe the software coupons were basically a proof of purchase that you could send to Apple and be eligible for free/discounted OS upgrades.
I was genuinely surprised when it let you boot from a random PCI SATA interface.
I still can't believe this channel isn't more popular. Videos are just as well done as, day, TechMoan or 8-Bit Guy. Not at all an Apple fan myself but you've taught me a lot about their retro systems.
Thanks I really appreciate that!
this wouldn't be a permanent fix.. id use a full desktop sata drive
This show how corporation block technology (only HDD many years block speed @ll specification in the computer). Now we see where is problem. Great Job Bro, Regards from Poland.
Perfect is Talk Theatre Hand ];-D Comedy just like Kermit.
This was an outstanding series for all three (3) Parts. Hope that, you will be able to do a future update once you get the Fire-wire 400 ports up and working. While, I prefer to keep my vintage apple computers close to what were available upgrades when these systems were new. Do wish that, I had your technical skills and resourcefulness. Your videos are truly a treat to watch!
Thank you so much! It's definitely a fine line between between what level of upgrades feel "right" and which ones wouldn't feel realistic for the machine.
You want to use a molex->sata adapter with a snapped sata plug, not molded, since molded ones tend to catch on fire.
Wait what. Sounds sketchy lol
When I installed Tiger back in 2005 it went onto my G3 Clamshell iBook OK but my G3 iMac at the time only had a CD-ROM. Included in the installer box were four Apple coupons whereby you could exchange the Tiger installer DVD for a set of Tiger installer CDs. Cost was AU$15.
Could you have used a 2.5" to 3.5" caddy instead of double sided tape? I imagine the double sided tape is only going to last a few years.
Can't wait to see part 4!
Thank you!!
My P2 450 likes SATA, yours shouldn't be such a problem either.
Hey action retro,I know this is an old vid, can you add some sort of really faint royalty free background music. I’m just used to the 8-bit guys style of having random 8-bit/synth music playing faintly whenever he talks, and I think it would be a helpful addition for people like me.
Laughing at how you mocked the builder of the black se/30, then use double sided tape for the CF adapter
😁
Well if my double sided tape turns to dust and goes everywhere in 20 years, I hope that future computer hoarder mocks me too!
Can you8 add links to the hardware items esp the PCI controller card! Thanks
"air flow" but no fan.
I actually got a still sealed in plastic copy of mac os 10.5 from eBay for just 40€ because the seller had no idea of its worth! I am keeping it sealed for the next 10 years and am then planning to resell it again!
Every computer boots from only the master on the IDE channel!! Even PCs dol the same! Lol.. its not a quirk!
I tried adding this same SATA pci card to my beige G3 minitower, but with the card installed, the computer would not boot. Any suggestions on what I was doing wrong? Years ago, I added an 800Mhz G4 CPU upgrade, an ATI 9200, and replaced the old HD. I have recently added a faster NIC, a USB card. maxed out the RAM, and today I retrobrighted the computer and my MacAlly keyboard... So nice! Thanks!
Some upgrade ideas:
- If the new firewire card has internal USB as well, you could put in a USB Bluetooth dongle and use a wireless keyboard or mouse.
- You could take out the zip drive and its cable, and you'd have not only more airflow, but you'd have space to put something else there (although to be fair your options are limited).
- Its hard to tell if there are extra ports for fans on the motherboard, but if there are you could stick some Noctowa fans in there.
- If you get a video card that supports it, you could get a dual monitor setup.
Nice ideas! Funny you mention Noctua fans, I literally just picked some up for this machine 🤣 I kind of like having a zip drive, but I am trying to think of ways to improve the airflow. One other idea I had was to take out the personality card, since it only works under OS9, and put some fans where the slot is around back.
@@ActionRetro Isn't the zip drive broken though? I would at least replace it with another one of those super floppy drives, like an LS super disk, since those don't break as often if I'm not mistaken.
@@IoIxD It actually did start working :) the super disk is a good idea though, I'm going to look for one of those.
I bought one of these on eBay and it just arrived yesterday. It was listed as the original g3 266, but it turned out to have a ton of upgrades. Sound card, FireWire card, a USB card (which instantly recognized my apple pro keyboard and optical mouse) 320mb of ram, an 80gb hdd, and, most surprisingly, a g4 400mhz upgrade. I was blown away. It’s also super clean inside and I replaced the pram first thing.
Ironically I only bought it in the first place to use it’s floppy drive and network adapter with some disk images to get some software on an old Macintosh SE I’ve had for years.
Silly question but it's the main thing preventing me from getting a G3: Are there any limitations to using a USB PCI card for peripherals (i.e. keyboard and mouse)? Say I need to hold Shift to disable extensions on bootup, is that something I can do with a USB keyboard or do I really need an ADB device for that?
need that wallpaper 😭😭😭
Take a look for Radeon 7500 cards from Xserve machines, they are PCI, and Mac-Rom and natively supported in older PCI macs. I have one in my Powertower Pro clone running in OS9, and it was like 10$ on ebay. Also, what happens when you boot up holding OPTION? Does it give you a boot selection screen?
Very silent your machine. I have also one. I upgraded to G4/500 and put 4MB VRAM on the RagePro Onboard.
Take a shot every time he says "Xpostfacto" in this video.
Ah… ATA/IDE and master/slave. Yeah, as soon as you used the second drive on the same cable, I said “that’s not going to work out!”
Perhaps you could add to your TOC clickable section marks to the different positions in the video? And which SATA controller is this specifically?
It's this controller from eBay, which unfortunately looks sold out now: www.ebay.com/itm/4-Port-SATA-PCI-Card-for-Apple-Macintosh-Mac-OS-PowerMac-G4-SSD/132581321334.
Good idea about the clickable TOC.
It might be more convenient having one less cable in the box, but you'll see better speeds having the CD-ROM and CF-IDE on separate IDE channels. Especially during install when both are reading/writing.
Thanks!!
Because the cf card will slow down to cd rom speed..
Upvote for the cat.
I might be a bit late, but I always added the machine model to the EFI plist file of the boot drive. That will fix your boot issues I think.
loving the synthwave inspired wallpaper. Where did you find it? Thanks.
about that zip drive, since it's faulty why not swap it with an internal 1gb Jaz drive?
Can you put in a DVD writer instead of a DVD Rom?
Yes definitely! You should be able to put a really new one in there with SATA now too.
I just gotta see Linux/firefox and Tenfourfox running on it.
Why do you say Puma is the worse version of OSX, in particular?
Why would you not boot from CD? Then check startup disk
The main issue I had with my Beige G3 in tiger was with the optical drive. The drive would work at first then would cause the whole system to crash.
If I never used the optical drive the system was 100% stable, but as soon as I tried to use the optical drive the system would eventually crash.
But I was also using a Pioneer DVD-110d. The drive worked flawlessly in OS9, and in Jaguar.
My Beige G3 went from a 233mhz G3 to a 450mhz G3 from a B&W (obviously not clocked at 450mhz due to the bus speed), 768MB Ram, 120GB HDD, a Radeon 7000, wings personally card.
I wanna add SATA to a Power Mac G4 and be able to boot Mac OS 9 but it’s so complicated
Wow!
It's amazing
Few PCI SATA cards work natively in PPC computers.
No need to update the firmware of the PCI card?
Can you help me find out which is the driver chip for the card?
Sil3111ACT144
Sil3112ACT144
Sil3114ACT144
Thanks! I love your channel
There's one of these for sale on eBay at the moment (untested). I'm seriously considering getting it, I've missed having an old mac since my old 7200/166 died in the mid 2000s. I don't know if I'd be able to fix it if it doesn't work though. I was thinking I might just buy an old Mac mini from the early 2010s and running sheepshaver on it.
I have a Power Macintosh 6500 with an inadequate 32 MB of RAM, and I have bought the wrong RAM from eBay 3 times now. What am I missing?
You theoretically upgraded the drive speeds by 8.012048192771084 times
Whats your thoughts for the GPU upgrade? I flashed a Radeon 7000 for my 6500
That was my initial thought too, because I have a PC Radeon 7000 laying around. I actually wound up scoring a Mac Radeon 9200 though. I still might flash the 7000 and put it in my other Beige G3.
This bring back memories. I had the PowerPC 7200/75 in the 90's. I remember taking it apart and looking at the components. I got a TV tuner card for it, but it would not run on 7.5, I had to get 7.6 which I did not have and my mom would not swing for. My friend had a copy but his mother would not let me use it unless I coughed up half the price of the OS, which I think the price at the time was $60 at the time.
Like Voyager with all the Borg upgrades.
i see there is a missing headder for a cache slot. could you solder one on and install a cache module?
chill with the advertisements apple we have already brought it haha
I love this beige aberration!!!!
Could you you be more specific on the SATA controller PCI card? I think you answered someone about you got to flash certain model it but it would be fantastic to know the details.
Kitty!!!!!
Wow. Imagine this upgrade back in 2005 (Without the SSD of course.) How did you and how easy was it to overclock the G4? And where'd you get the wallpaper?
A beauty!
Can you post a link to your desktop wallpaper please
PCI Slot is dirty inside - cleaning this up before installing cards in it maybe ??
Oh good call
Its so satisfying to see old machine upgraded to their max capability.
The sky is the limit with these beautiful machines.
Is this SATA Card a Sil3114 one? I want to install one for my Power Macintosh 9600 but it isn't recognized at all. Have you flashed it with some kind of custom firmware? I heard that you can't use all 4 SATA connections.
This will work on your 9600: www.ebay.com/itm/2-Port-SATA-PCI-Controller-Card-Apple-Macintosh-PowerMac-G3-G4-G5-SSD-OSX-OS-9-/254669346388
It’s working on my 9600 under OS9!
@@dummptyhummpty Is there any possibility that you could dump firmware from this card and mail it to me? I'm from Poland and this card is very expensive for me (and adding shipping costs to that would kill my wallet instantly)
@@GameDeveloper9 I'm sorry, I can't. But I know there's firmware out there that's probably the same as what's on this card.
Where’s the RAM upgrade?
Cheetah is worse
My only recommendation is mounting some kind of dedicated fan for the CPU.
I know its probably fine, but every time I see new SATA harddrives/ssds go into old systems I always hear in my head "Molex to SATA, Lose all your data". I've never had it happen to me, but I always worry. I have a PowerMac G4 with a OWC Mercury Extreme G4 card in there, and its been working with a SATA HDD on Molex for like 2 years, but I still worry.
yup, that's how I lost my Hackintosh drive in my PC
a b s o l u t e u n i t
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According to the Sonnet Tempo PCI packaging, that card should work on MacOS 9-9.2. Try it!!!
Haha I've been trying to find one!
@@ActionRetro I have a 'mystery' SATA PCI card that I was told would work in Macs. It's not the Sonnet Tempo, but the main IC chips on it say "SI IG" and "PMC Pm39LV010-70JCE". I'll do some testing, and if it works in my Quicksilver you are welcome to have it.
Next put a blue ray drive in because you have spare Sata ports on the controller
So he could then name it the “Bag of Hurt Beige G3”…
What type of lcd is that? I need one to work with my 6500...
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Cheetah is worse!
I love the funky-handled tower cases.