Nice job guys, this tells a lot of story in 5 minutes! Interesting to hear how many appliances got relocated in the recent overhaul. My first thought was it kind of conflicts with the much-hyped EBT originality, but in a way, carrying on the railroad’s efforts to improve what they had is even truer to their history. It seems some of those systems were still rather new and unfamiliar to the crews in 1916, and experience teaches a lot in over a century.
For me, it's one of those items of purpose - the EBT's legacy is not being exactly purposefully original, and they're not officially a museum - they've made the locomotive significantly more ergonomic in a way that most folks would have no clue about, and as well, if there ever was the desire to undo the changes, they were quite simple. Wins all around, in my book.
@@Hyce777 In keeping with the history of innovation and adaptation the EBT displayed in the common carrier days, improving and adapting new technology is nothing new to the railroad.
"Valve gear is just one of those things that doesn't make sense, until it does" - Hyce ^ this is my entire opinion on Southern valve gear and Baker valve gear, I'm heavily biased towards Walshaerts because it was the simplest for my 10 year old brain to understand back in the day
Great video! I just have one slight correction, 16 can haul 60 hoppers but only to Rockhill not Robertsdale. It cannot take them to Robertsdale due to the grades between Rockhill and Pogue, and Saltillo and Robertsdale. It can take them to Rockhill because the railroad is pretty much flat from Mount Union to Rockhill except for McMullen and the grade from Mount Union to Allenport.
Thanks again for another very excellent and informative post. You might also note #16 is finished as she (actually he as it is now named Nick) would have been in revenue service . Tourist Era trim would have been whitewall tires brass bands on the boiler jacket and red cab roof. I've been visiting the EBT for around 40 years and remember the locomotives being grimey with weathered paint and dented boiler jacketing. 16 is the cleanest sharpest I've ever seen an EBT engine. Please do more on the EBT as there is more interesting things to come. The future for the railroad is so bright you gotta wear shades😊.
Hi Mark thanks for this beautifully filmed and informative video of such an important locomotive. Such a top level restoration worthy of this great place. Thanks again for continuing to share with us your amazing E.B.T. experience! Looking forward to your next installment. Cheers.
Man. U got a really cool job! As a kid I was fortunate enough to ride in the cab of a shay locomotive on the Yosemite mountain sugar pine railroad about 18 years back and it was a really really cool experience! Would love to do it again. Great video as always! 🙌
Just last month I wondered to myself, when looking at the Southern valve gear, how it derives the motion that is normally provided by the combination lever. And here a video to ask the very question I was wondering on. Nice timing! I have a vague memory learning (probably from dad) that Southern derives it's lap/lead motion via a shaft to the motion on the opposite side? Am I using the right terms? Back to the books. In any case, I'm planning a trip to the railroad this year specifically to see Southern valve gear in action. And hear a proper exhaust. And smell oily steam. And hear dynamos and steam pumps.
I don't remember if I commented as much on one of your videos, but it is amazing to me how seemingly unbothered 16 is by the short passenger trains the EBT runs. In most of the videos I've seen so far of her operating, she sounds like she's barely working...which makes sense given she was designed for hauling heavy (by narrow gauge standards) coal trains.
@@ReggieArfordYeah, makes sense, it's still just neat to see the locomotive just walk away with the new coaches! Also, Friction bearings? *Plain bearings! Don't buy into Timken's propaganda! lol
That is a very shiny engine! Really enjoying the stuff from the EBT, it feels like a real step up in video quality (That said you don't need much video quality for Citation Needed/Two of these people are lying, they work as just audio).
Hey, would you consider doing a story on the gauge-change equipment that allowed EBT rolling stock to be transferred between standard and narrow gauge?
@@Hyce777 Great! It's a really rare piece of equipment and very little of its type survives today, much less operationally; so anything you have on it will be fantastic.
@@TheOneTrueDragonKing The truck swap "gauge change equipment" was mostly an overhead electric crane, now gone. There are also knuckle coupler adapters, and a few s.g.-on-n.g. specialty trucks. There may be film of the operation, and I've seen still photos.
@@ReggieArford That's what I'm talking about. if Hyce can get his hands on that film, and digitize it if it isn't already, there's an educational piece just waiting to happen.
@@TheOneTrueDragonKing Here's a link to at least some of it. This is from a blurry 8 mm copy of "The Blackhawk Film". To my certain knowledge, there is a better quality 16 mm copy, which may be longer / show more.
If you ever make your way out to Wisconsin. You will need to stop at the National Railway Museum in GreenBay. They have a UP big boy you can go into. Along with a host of other trains to see.
hey hyce i have yet another question lol. I know steam locomotives have boiler jackets to insulate and protect the boiler from the elements, as well as us from its heat when walking along side the locomotive, but wont you still be at risk of burning yourself in the cab because theirs no jacket? at least not on the locomotives ive ever seen. ive never touched the firebox from inside the cab while it was hot but wondered if the layer of water between the firebox wall and the outer boiler was enough to keep me safe from the heat. also love the history videos you've been making and they teach me a lot!
Man, that Southern valve gear looks like a bit of a brain teaser! I get that it has a bell crank to turn the vertical moth ion if the eccentric rod into horizontal motion for the valve stem, but I am just not putting the kinematics of a sideways expansion link together. Wasn’t there a website of a guy that had put together a working diagram of Walscharts valve gear? We’re they planning on doing other valve gears too?
Have you heard anything about why the EBT was built in narrow gauge? The articles I've read said that nobody's sure why, since it doesn't have any tight curves that would require it.
Once you get past saltillo there are plenty of curves and steep grades, some of the branch lines were rather steep, plus i think cost was probably a factor you could build narrow gauge cheaper
@@ELOfanatic Hyce had the first comment in the video he made, as he talked about what he was doing when filming. Blind people don't see comments, they HEAR comments that are made.
Photo frieght, run with equipment indigenous to the railroad (most, if not all, frieght cars were built in-house by the EBT, and those that weren't were purchased new in the early 1910s), which is pretty unique among preserved US railroads (the Nevada Northern has a ton of indigenous rolling stock but I'm not sure how much was purchased vs built).
All of them, they just choose to complete the overhaul on 16 first because it was mid-overhaul in 1956 and hadn't been run since, meaning it has the least wear on it.
I'm thinking 40 to 45 mph. It might be able to go faster, but faster speed might subject the rods and valve gear to unnecessary strain and damage the equipment. That's my thought.
Railroaders are a little "sticious", and I don't blame 'em. Seems like a lot of locomotives that get into wrecks have numbers are either multiples of 13 or the digits within the number add up to 13. (Or it could be a case of confirmation bias, but who wants to take that chance?)
3 of the 4 locomotives in PA/MD with 13 in their number ---CNJ 113, PRR 1361, CO 1309, BM 3713--have had cursed restorations. Only 113 seems to have avoided any bumps in the road, while 1309 had a bunch of fundraising problems and parts theft, 3713 has gone through fits and starts (and will have its THIRD firebox since the rebuild began in the early 2000s), and 1361 is a story that doesn't need talked about (though she's definately having a much better time right now with her firebox design issues well on the way to being corrected). Being a bit sticious is probably warrented, lol.
Hey hyce! This is unrelated to your video, but I have no other way of contacting you. I live in northern Colorado, and want to work for UP railroad. What's a good college for becoming an engineer, or specific degrees and such, or some tips and pointers I can take to become an engineer? Thanks!
Don't need degrees or any college or prior training for the railroad. They'll hire you right out of high school and if they do, they'll send you to "Choo Choo U" (as I call it) on their dime for you to learn.
""They aren't superstitious but they are a little stitious" - Micheal Scott " -Hyce
No wonder the et&wnc never had a ten wheeler numbered 13
16 was EBT's first exposure to superheated power. The improvement in performance was so impressive that the railroad quickly ordered two more .
Nice job guys, this tells a lot of story in 5 minutes! Interesting to hear how many appliances got relocated in the recent overhaul. My first thought was it kind of conflicts with the much-hyped EBT originality, but in a way, carrying on the railroad’s efforts to improve what they had is even truer to their history. It seems some of those systems were still rather new and unfamiliar to the crews in 1916, and experience teaches a lot in over a century.
For me, it's one of those items of purpose - the EBT's legacy is not being exactly purposefully original, and they're not officially a museum - they've made the locomotive significantly more ergonomic in a way that most folks would have no clue about, and as well, if there ever was the desire to undo the changes, they were quite simple. Wins all around, in my book.
@@Hyce777 In keeping with the history of innovation and adaptation the EBT displayed in the common carrier days, improving and adapting new technology is nothing new to the railroad.
As a man who enjoys the southern railroad the east broad top is now on my list of places to one day visit because of the Southern style valve gear.
EBT #16 is beautiful! The restoration of her is AWESOME! Great work!!! 🚂👍😉❤️
"Valve gear is just one of those things that doesn't make sense, until it does" - Hyce
^ this is my entire opinion on Southern valve gear and Baker valve gear, I'm heavily biased towards Walshaerts because it was the simplest for my 10 year old brain to understand back in the day
Can we just appreciate the quality of the videography
You and Mickey should start your own production company, these are seriously high quality.
This was another piece of work by Nick Ozorak. And we already did. But thanks :)
@@Hyce777 Well, hopefully you have Mr. Ozorak with you.
Another cinematic masterclass mark! And kudos to the one who helped edit it!
The Mikado wheel arrangement just looks correct on a loco imo
Great video! I just have one slight correction, 16 can haul 60 hoppers but only to Rockhill not Robertsdale. It cannot take them to Robertsdale due to the grades between Rockhill and Pogue, and Saltillo and Robertsdale. It can take them to Rockhill because the railroad is pretty much flat from Mount Union to Rockhill except for McMullen and the grade from Mount Union to Allenport.
the track also is only completed from rockhill to mount union
Thanks again for another very excellent and informative post. You might also note #16 is finished as she (actually he as it is now named Nick) would have been in revenue service . Tourist Era trim would have been whitewall tires brass bands on the boiler jacket and red cab roof. I've been visiting the EBT for around 40 years and remember the locomotives being grimey with weathered paint and dented boiler jacketing. 16 is the cleanest sharpest I've ever seen an EBT engine. Please do more on the EBT as there is more interesting things to come. The future for the railroad is so bright you gotta wear shades😊.
Excellent video @Hyce777 - upping the game!
I miss the old trains. Beautiful.
16 looks like she has a thoughtfully laid out cab, and is a solid, stout chonk. (That was a jam-packed 5 minutes)
Number 16 is a really cool piece of railroad history. Eventually I would like to go see it and go to Colorado to see 491.
Hi Mark thanks for this beautifully filmed and informative video of such an important locomotive. Such a top level restoration worthy of this great place. Thanks again for continuing to share with us your amazing E.B.T. experience! Looking forward to your next installment. Cheers.
Another wonderful and informative video about the EBT and #16.
Man. U got a really cool job! As a kid I was fortunate enough to ride in the cab of a shay locomotive on the Yosemite mountain sugar pine railroad about 18 years back and it was a really really cool experience! Would love to do it again. Great video as always! 🙌
Gorgeous photography, amazing video
Just last month I wondered to myself, when looking at the Southern valve gear, how it derives the motion that is normally provided by the combination lever. And here a video to ask the very question I was wondering on. Nice timing! I have a vague memory learning (probably from dad) that Southern derives it's lap/lead motion via a shaft to the motion on the opposite side? Am I using the right terms? Back to the books. In any case, I'm planning a trip to the railroad this year specifically to see Southern valve gear in action. And hear a proper exhaust. And smell oily steam. And hear dynamos and steam pumps.
I don't remember if I commented as much on one of your videos, but it is amazing to me how seemingly unbothered 16 is by the short passenger trains the EBT runs. In most of the videos I've seen so far of her operating, she sounds like she's barely working...which makes sense given she was designed for hauling heavy (by narrow gauge standards) coal trains.
Four new coaches with roller bearings, vs. two dozen 40 ton hoppers on friction bearings? She /isn't/ "barely working"!
@@ReggieArfordYeah, makes sense, it's still just neat to see the locomotive just walk away with the new coaches!
Also, Friction bearings? *Plain bearings! Don't buy into Timken's propaganda! lol
That valve gear is truly mesmerizing
That turned out real nice. Thanks for the shows, and the time to make them Hyce.
That is a very shiny engine! Really enjoying the stuff from the EBT, it feels like a real step up in video quality (That said you don't need much video quality for Citation Needed/Two of these people are lying, they work as just audio).
That is one beautiful steam locomotive
Looks a lot like CCR&M's no.15, lovely!
Another wonderful video with amazing music.
She is a beautiful locomotive
What a beauty!
Hey, would you consider doing a story on the gauge-change equipment that allowed EBT rolling stock to be transferred between standard and narrow gauge?
Of course :)
@@Hyce777 Great! It's a really rare piece of equipment and very little of its type survives today, much less operationally; so anything you have on it will be fantastic.
@@TheOneTrueDragonKing The truck swap "gauge change equipment" was mostly an overhead electric crane, now gone. There are also knuckle coupler adapters, and a few s.g.-on-n.g. specialty trucks. There may be film of the operation, and I've seen still photos.
@@ReggieArford That's what I'm talking about. if Hyce can get his hands on that film, and digitize it if it isn't already, there's an educational piece just waiting to happen.
@@TheOneTrueDragonKing Here's a link to at least some of it. This is from a blurry 8 mm copy of "The Blackhawk Film". To my certain knowledge, there is a better quality 16 mm copy, which may be longer / show more.
Yay! I'm literally about to get ready to go to the horseshoe curve with my model railroad club! This day can't get much better! 😂
Nice Michael Scott pun intended. Loved it.
Good morning!
A video no one asked for but was really fucking amazing and super awesome to watch
It is interesting that the EBT chose the same wheel arrangement as the D&RG but with inside frames instead of outside frames for the locos.
Nice video. Mark, keep up the great work
Best she's looked in decades! Probably better now than when she originally left The Works.
Another great one from You and Nick. great work :)
Phenomenal once again Hyce
You should do a video on the tweetsie railroad attraction in Tennessee I think it is, no 190 and Dollywood express, the sister train no 192
Awesome Video ane keep up the great work!
If you ever make your way out to Wisconsin. You will need to stop at the National Railway Museum in GreenBay. They have a UP big boy you can go into. Along with a host of other trains to see.
She looks like Polson logging company number 2's little sister. Lol number 2 has the same wheel argument and helped with logging trains.
Great video! Keep up the good work
Are the water glasses on the sides of the boiler? That fire door also looks awfully high compared to the the DRGW locos too.
Seems like it, easier reading that way. Fire door is a fair bit higher than a K-37, but similar to a K-36. Interesting how different they are.
Needs to get one of those in my backyard. Though, it might be G gauge or more like O gauge. :)
another well done video on the best narrow gauge railroad east of the Mississippi (though you know me hyce, i'll argue it's better than the D&RG)
Nice video hyce was this filmed back on February 19th I was there on the 19th
hey hyce i have yet another question lol. I know steam locomotives have boiler jackets to insulate and protect the boiler from the elements, as well as us from its heat when walking along side the locomotive, but wont you still be at risk of burning yourself in the cab because theirs no jacket? at least not on the locomotives ive ever seen. ive never touched the firebox from inside the cab while it was hot but wondered if the layer of water between the firebox wall and the outer boiler was enough to keep me safe from the heat. also love the history videos you've been making and they teach me a lot!
The locomotives I've seen have good boiler jackets inside the cab, for that very reason.
@@ReggieArford I might have missed that when I was in the cab 🤔
I’m pretty impressed with that fireman letting his fire be on UA-cam…
CRRM will be running a couple photo trains May 13 and 14.....expect to see some cool content on both channels.
Man, that Southern valve gear looks like a bit of a brain teaser! I get that it has a bell crank to turn the vertical moth ion if the eccentric rod into horizontal motion for the valve stem, but I am just not putting the kinematics of a sideways expansion link together.
Wasn’t there a website of a guy that had put together a working diagram of Walscharts valve gear? We’re they planning on doing other valve gears too?
i was hoping you would make another East Broad Top video
Have you heard anything about why the EBT was built in narrow gauge? The articles I've read said that nobody's sure why, since it doesn't have any tight curves that would require it.
Once you get past saltillo there are plenty of curves and steep grades, some of the branch lines were rather steep, plus i think cost was probably a factor you could build narrow gauge cheaper
in the video i can hear GunsN'Roses "Paradise City" but country with harmonica at 3:47
Me: *Barely just got up* *Checks UA-cam*. "Oh a new Hyce video." *Clicks it* *INSTANTLY GETS JUMPSCARED BY THE INTRO* lol
I was wondering when some of nicks videos from summer 2020 were gonna surface, I see little bits and pieces here and there
FIRST! As I said in a comment to another video, I'm not too far away from here. Great place!
@ELOfantastic How did you beat Hyce at being first, when Hyce made the video, watched it, and commented on it in the video?
@@ducewags All I know is that it said "no views" when I watched it.
@@ELOfanatic Logic say's Hyce had the first view, and comment on the video.
@@ducewags Logic is true...most of the time. His comment was not up when I saw the video and I don't SEE a comment from Hyce.
@@ELOfanatic Hyce had the first comment in the video he made, as he talked about what he was doing when filming. Blind people don't see comments, they HEAR comments that are made.
So are those false freight trains its hauling or is it still doing some work?
False, it's a photo freight.
Photo frieght, run with equipment indigenous to the railroad (most, if not all, frieght cars were built in-house by the EBT, and those that weren't were purchased new in the early 1910s), which is pretty unique among preserved US railroads (the Nevada Northern has a ton of indigenous rolling stock but I'm not sure how much was purchased vs built).
They restored a locomotive in less than 3 years? Jesus that's fast
Much of the work had been done in 1955/6. She was in mid-overhaul when the line closed.
i love mikados
Hey hyce should the 20 be there or no and which has more tractive effort
No
And 16 by far lol
pahaps the new build if there will be one, would be a 2-6-6-2 no 17
My 13th engine on railroads online is going to be the Kenosha
Cool
When is Grade Crossings 101 coming out?
are they planning on restoring any of the other engines
All of them, they just choose to complete the overhaul on 16 first because it was mid-overhaul in 1956 and hadn't been run since, meaning it has the least wear on it.
I'm told #14 is next. Also a Mikado, also with 48" drivers, but no superheat, and Walscherts valve gear.
Iirc, the story goes 16 pulled 60 empties from Mt Union to Orbisonia one day barely cresting McMullins Summit?
I am editing the Museum's next Big Train Tour rough cut today. This next episode covers 3011 and will of course, feature music by @Hyce777
What is the top speed on 16
I'm thinking 40 to 45 mph. It might be able to go faster, but faster speed might subject the rods and valve gear to unnecessary strain and damage the equipment. That's my thought.
Oh my god why is that smokebox door so high 🤣
Railroaders are a little "sticious", and I don't blame 'em. Seems like a lot of locomotives that get into wrecks have numbers are either multiples of 13 or the digits within the number add up to 13. (Or it could be a case of confirmation bias, but who wants to take that chance?)
3 of the 4 locomotives in PA/MD with 13 in their number ---CNJ 113, PRR 1361, CO 1309, BM 3713--have had cursed restorations. Only 113 seems to have avoided any bumps in the road, while 1309 had a bunch of fundraising problems and parts theft, 3713 has gone through fits and starts (and will have its THIRD firebox since the rebuild began in the early 2000s), and 1361 is a story that doesn't need talked about (though she's definately having a much better time right now with her firebox design issues well on the way to being corrected).
Being a bit sticious is probably warrented, lol.
I must be missing something but why are railroaders a little stishes about the number 13
Not just railroaders. There are a LOT of High-Rise buildings out there without a 13th floor.
Ok but what’s with the number 13
@@TrainBandit It's "Bad Luck", dontcha know! Friday the 13th and all that yaddah.
@@michigandon well that makes since. Lol
B is for broadtop
Hey hyce! This is unrelated to your video, but I have no other way of contacting you. I live in northern Colorado, and want to work for UP railroad. What's a good college for becoming an engineer, or specific degrees and such, or some tips and pointers I can take to become an engineer? Thanks!
Don't need degrees or any college or prior training for the railroad. They'll hire you right out of high school and if they do, they'll send you to "Choo Choo U" (as I call it) on their dime for you to learn.
@Kerry Freeman really? My step brother tried to work for BNSF and they said he had to be 21 for them to hire him.
@@racestephenson4405 Different railroads, different rules.
@@ReggieArford ahh ok
Your so lucky you have running steam locomotives 😢
what on EARTH is that valve gear on it?
HER valve gear is "Southern" gear. Possibly involving magic somehow?🤨
CHOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOO!! haha
“” -me last night
You forgot to say that it is a deckless locomotive
:P
@@Hyce777 bruh
- The homeless engines, if you consider the engine's history
~fan girl screams~ 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃
*happy foamer noises"
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for that joke at 1:32