Hey - I've really appreciated your work over the last year (when I first watched a video of yours). Wanted to let you know I'm grateful for the consistently serious and rigorous approach you take. Thank you.
I really enjoyed this presentation. As my name suggests, I have a law office in Little Rock Arkansas. I wish I knew you were here for a presentation, because I would have loved to attend. I have an older attorney (70 years old) working on my floor who discusses the bad practices when he was in University during the early 1970s and pot hunting in the Ozarks. He attended University of Arkansas in Fayetteville. Thanks for the presentation.
Lots of interesting tidbits here too digest. I love that you continue to challenge the notion that, people living outdoors, couldn't handle cold outdoor gathering activities. The water levels are usually lowest in the winter - they're easier pickings for the bold! What's the interpretation of the ash layers? Is that thought to be large environmental fire events as it transformed to more grassland during the hypsithermal?
I might have some older science here but I thought Eastern Box Turtles ( Terrapene Carolina Carolina)in fact most box turtles have toxic meat since they ingest mushrooms that can kill us. I always have heard box turtles were used mostly in ceremony and for children's rattles. I'm a Herpetology geek so it used to irk me as a kid ha ha. but of course im also an ancient human these days so maybe there is new science on all that. They are very decorative in color so they catch your eye with reds, golds, yellows even blue on shell. Just a thought
Funny enough I used to catch Scarlet Kingsnakes around the Shell Rings in Hilton Head South Carolina. I guess working in the field makes paths cross more often ha
I didn't get into it during this presentation, but I've got some turtle shell bowls where the internal topography of the carapace has been scraped and ground smooth.
I understand bones are food storage means because marrow retains it's food value for some time. If you're finding only marrow bones at a site, it could be a shelter from storms or lean times. In good hunting times, they'd follow the game. They have a stocked shelter or shelters prepared for emergencies. That's still a thing in the wild north. No one leaves a cabin without food and fuel for someone in an emergency.
Most of the companies I work with require a bachelor's degree in anthropology and a field school, but there are state archaeological society digs and those societies can get you hooked up with legit volunteer opportunities.
So im thinking about doing a little test dig in a valley/meandering creek type area that seems to be fairly plentiful of artifacts..can you maybe dispense a few tips and advice on choosing a location?
I have more advice on methodology. What do you mean by "test dig"? Like a shovel test survey? If you're doing that, then a 100 foot grid of 18 inch diameter holes would approximate our standard practices. If you find anything, bag the items in zip-lock bags with a paper tag and record what shovel test number it was, the depth it was found at, and what soil layer it was in. Get some graph paper and make a map to record which ones have artifacts and which don't. Here's the important part: if a test pit has artifacts in it, DO. NOT. make it bigger than 18 inches across. Keep the sample even from test to test. If you suddenly hit very dark soil that isn't like anything you've seen in any of the others, STOP DIGGING. make a note on your map, and move along. If you find bone of any kind, stop digging and seek professional help. Take a few GPS points on your phone to mark where things are. When you are done, go find your state's site reporting form and fill it out. If you're finding things, talk to your state archaeology society. They can then advise you on how to proceed with phase 2.
@@NathanaelFosaaen Thank you for this answer. I do wildlife management on my place on Pecan bayou off the Red River in Texas. My kids and grandkids would enjoy feeling they can do real science the right way. I know you were near that area a year or so ago. They expanded a highway and are building a big lake so I assume that's why. On projects like that, are the findings available for the general public? Can you give guidance? Thanks again. A lot of people are interested.
@Ferengi profiteer I want to clarify that I am not recommending that anyone go out and dig without professional assistance. That kind of thing really pisses off my native friends. We don't even dig unless there's some immediate threat to the site's integrity. Best thing to do is get involved with your state's official archaeological society. They generally have volunteer opportunities.
Excellent stuff. I have to (ass)ume the naming of "Modoc Shelter" is in no way connected to the Modocs I grew up among in southern Oregon and northern California?
When I was young I enjoyed hunting. One thing I learned early on is that small animals are very quick, and thus they would have been nearly impossible to hit with an archaic projectile. The Fox is very elusive and I've rarely seen them during the day. In your analysis have you considered that small animals were trapped not hunted, and that different native tribes may have been more adept at trapping?
The tribe concept 6000 + years ago is dubious at best, and I talked about trapping a lot in the full version of the analysis. SEAC presentations have a 20 minute time limit.
Could the abundance of small animals also represent snare use? It would be a passive food gathering technique that would not be very calorie intensive.
...Nathanael....this is not a proper question for the subject of this video...and am not sure if your study includes the effect of tsunamis on the ancient people....but....online i find the study mostly of earthquakes or large shelfs of land sliding into the ocean .....but the creation of the scab lands of Washinton would have put many sq. miles of water into the Pacific ocean in a very short time......and it is being said this happened often...........is there any study of these huge coastal floods that would coincide with the ice dam breaking and release of that water ?
Love your work... but, what's with you mic cutting in and out, and all the echo, and sometimes it sounded like you were recording in a windy location...??? You speak in such esoteric terms, sometimes, that the rate you speak makes it hard to follow... -we are not all on your level of Anthropology- I had to watch a few times to get it all.
I trimmed out a bunch of "umms" and stutters. This was a paper presented at an academic conference, so the register is very different from most of my other videos.
"Verily, the good shit." Goddamn, I HAVE to steal that phrase for use somewhere.
Good shit, er, excellent presentation Professor !:-)
Verily
So good to get a deeper dive into the work you do.
Thanks as always . Informative and interesting . I still thirst for knowledge .
Hey - I've really appreciated your work over the last year (when I first watched a video of yours). Wanted to let you know I'm grateful for the consistently serious and rigorous approach you take. Thank you.
Glad to hear you're still tuning in!
Excited to see a new video. 22. Verily, the good shit indeed.
I'm sure you're aware how important your presence and work has become in this new season of b.s. archeology. Keep up the honest work. Thank you🙏🏼
thank you for an excellant talk! I would love to hear more.
This was awesome, thank you for presenting it to us. It was very interesting and I look forward to more.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I really enjoyed this presentation. As my name suggests, I have a law office in Little Rock Arkansas. I wish I knew you were here for a presentation, because I would have loved to attend. I have an older attorney (70 years old) working on my floor who discusses the bad practices when he was in University during the early 1970s and pot hunting in the Ozarks. He attended University of Arkansas in Fayetteville. Thanks for the presentation.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Before this presentation, I knew nothing about Ozarks. You made this interesting and understandable! Thanks
It is an EXTREMELY understudied region.
Interesting analysis.
Thanks for all the detail!
There's a good bit I had to cut out for SEAC too.
Lots of interesting tidbits here too digest. I love that you continue to challenge the notion that, people living outdoors, couldn't handle cold outdoor gathering activities. The water levels are usually lowest in the winter - they're easier pickings for the bold! What's the interpretation of the ash layers? Is that thought to be large environmental fire events as it transformed to more grassland during the hypsithermal?
Those ashes are from the fires they're using inside the cave.
Just found you and your channel last night and had been watching a swath of episodes. Sold!
I might have some older science here but I thought Eastern Box Turtles ( Terrapene Carolina Carolina)in fact most box turtles have toxic meat since they ingest mushrooms that can kill us. I always have heard box turtles were used mostly in ceremony and for children's rattles. I'm a Herpetology geek so it used to irk me as a kid ha ha. but of course im also an ancient human these days so maybe there is new science on all that. They are very decorative in color so they catch your eye with reds, golds, yellows even blue on shell. Just a thought
Funny enough I used to catch Scarlet Kingsnakes around the Shell Rings in Hilton Head South Carolina. I guess working in the field makes paths cross more often ha
That actually may be! It was never mentioned in any of my research on turtles. Thanks for pointing that out!
Look at us old punk rockers and metal heads doing The Sciences
I didn't get into it during this presentation, but I've got some turtle shell bowls where the internal topography of the carapace has been scraped and ground smooth.
I understand bones are food storage means because marrow retains it's food value for some time. If you're finding only marrow bones at a site, it could be a shelter from storms or lean times. In good hunting times, they'd follow the game. They have a stocked shelter or shelters prepared for emergencies.
That's still a thing in the wild north. No one leaves a cabin without food and fuel for someone in an emergency.
and I don't lock my door. the beer is in the fridge. please don't break a window to get in! THAT's expensive!
Great presentation of your data. I bet the grey fox taste like chicken.
Do I need a certificate to work with you digging things up?
Most of the companies I work with require a bachelor's degree in anthropology and a field school, but there are state archaeological society digs and those societies can get you hooked up with legit volunteer opportunities.
So im thinking about doing a little test dig in a valley/meandering creek type area that seems to be fairly plentiful of artifacts..can you maybe dispense a few tips and advice on choosing a location?
I have more advice on methodology. What do you mean by "test dig"? Like a shovel test survey? If you're doing that, then a 100 foot grid of 18 inch diameter holes would approximate our standard practices. If you find anything, bag the items in zip-lock bags with a paper tag and record what shovel test number it was, the depth it was found at, and what soil layer it was in. Get some graph paper and make a map to record which ones have artifacts and which don't.
Here's the important part: if a test pit has artifacts in it, DO. NOT. make it bigger than 18 inches across. Keep the sample even from test to test.
If you suddenly hit very dark soil that isn't like anything you've seen in any of the others, STOP DIGGING. make a note on your map, and move along.
If you find bone of any kind, stop digging and seek professional help.
Take a few GPS points on your phone to mark where things are.
When you are done, go find your state's site reporting form and fill it out. If you're finding things, talk to your state archaeology society. They can then advise you on how to proceed with phase 2.
@@NathanaelFosaaen
Thank you for this answer. I do wildlife management on my place on Pecan bayou off the Red River in Texas. My kids and grandkids would enjoy feeling they can do real science the right way.
I know you were near that area a year or so ago. They expanded a highway and are building a big lake so I assume that's why. On projects like that, are the findings available for the general public? Can you give guidance?
Thanks again. A lot of people are interested.
@Ferengi profiteer I want to clarify that I am not recommending that anyone go out and dig without professional assistance. That kind of thing really pisses off my native friends. We don't even dig unless there's some immediate threat to the site's integrity. Best thing to do is get involved with your state's official archaeological society. They generally have volunteer opportunities.
Excellent stuff. I have to (ass)ume the naming of "Modoc Shelter" is in no way connected to the Modocs I grew up among in southern Oregon and northern California?
Ozark spring fed stream temperatures are pretty the same year around. They might even feel warm compared to the air temperatures in December.
volume?? Can't get enough.
When I was young I enjoyed hunting. One thing I learned early on is that small animals are very quick, and thus they would have been nearly impossible to hit with an archaic projectile. The Fox is very elusive and I've rarely seen them during the day. In your analysis have you considered that small animals were trapped not hunted, and that different native tribes may have been more adept at trapping?
The tribe concept 6000 + years ago is dubious at best, and I talked about trapping a lot in the full version of the analysis. SEAC presentations have a 20 minute time limit.
@@NathanaelFosaaen Clans*
Could the abundance of small animals also represent snare use? It would be a passive food gathering technique that would not be very calorie intensive.
...Nathanael....this is not a proper question for the subject of this video...and am not sure if your study includes the effect of tsunamis on the ancient people....but....online i find the study mostly of earthquakes or large shelfs of land sliding into the ocean .....but the creation of the scab lands of Washinton would have put many sq. miles of water into the Pacific ocean in a very short time......and it is being said this happened often...........is there any study of these huge coastal floods that would coincide with the ice dam breaking and release of that water ?
Love your work... but, what's with you mic cutting in and out, and all the echo, and sometimes it sounded like you were recording in a windy location...??? You speak in such esoteric terms, sometimes, that the rate you speak makes it hard to follow... -we are not all on your level of Anthropology- I had to watch a few times to get it all.
I trimmed out a bunch of "umms" and stutters. This was a paper presented at an academic conference, so the register is very different from most of my other videos.
@@NathanaelFosaaen ....maybe...but every one of your videos are golden