Shid y’all talking about if she had a choice, her husband barely had a choice to confront him and protect her if it was assault. Very little changed between slavery and sharecropping. May that woman’s soul rest in peace ♥️
I actually find it offensive the way they're trivializing what was very likely SA of a BW at a time when BP (especially BW) barely had any rights with this love is love nonsense. It's sick.
@@thedayaftertomorrow9502 Oh I'm almost certain that it was SA. SA of sharecropper's wives by WM was one of the most common forms at the time. Acknowledging that doesn't mesh with the agenda apparently.
This made me very sad. I doubt it was consensual. The timeline alone speaks volumes. The men were out in the field practically every day, all day. It would be easy for a man to assault a lone woman (without basic human rights) and get away with it.💔
This is exactly the reason you will never hear me (a white woman) claim to be Cherokee in any way. My Native American ancestor was a Cherokee woman from the Kansas/Oklahoma area. The problem is that my ancestor dates to around the time of the Trail of Tears.
The fact that they’re making it seem like an affair when he said, the 2 men were in on deceiving the husband in order to take advantage of his wife is wild. This is why some people stay in a world of delusion
@@ndo533I think they are referring to the part where Walker Head and Whit Torbet were involved in why the husband Nathan was working 80 miles away from home. If Emily stayed back in the other county then she was alone more which could have been unsafe and if she went with Nathan to Butts county then she was closer to Walker, which could also have been unsafe. I know farm workers today have terrible problems with living on farms or nearby accommodations. I can't imagine it being better in the 1800s.
This is very true. I've always said that I wanted to delve deeper into my family history. I've hit a road block and always wondered how much it would cost to use a genealogist for help.
Ciara saying she believes it was consensual makes me think she didn’t understand what he said initially, is delusional, or lying for the cameras. Girl what?!
@@taliadavis4297I can relate to this. My Husband strongly believes his Maternal Great-GrandParents were of consensual circumstances. And, yet, in terms of my Paternal lineage particularly of my Native x German side, I highly think NOT.
She looked confused the majority of the time. You could tell she didn't fully understand the terminology he was using. Her face said she couldn't keep up with what's actually going on.
Ciara has a beautiful speaking voice and she’s beautiful! I’ve always been such a fan and loved her music but I’ve never heard her speaking voice just singing
I feel like both of them tried to put lipstick on a pig with this situation. Hopefully the full episode will provide more context because I don’t understand how they came to the conclusion that the affair was consensual 🤷🏽♀️
And then with Nathan accepting the child as his own because he DEFINITELY knew…it gives more reason to believe it was bad circumstances. How long did he stay farming over there
@@sabrinashelton1997Did you see the timeline.. we all know what was happening back then. It’s not a mystery. I’ve noticed a pattern with people who think you. You probably think Jim Crow didn’t exist.
@@ABCDE.F.U. The probability is that she was SA'd. I don't know why people like you don't understand that downplaying our history only breeds more resentment.
@@ABCDE.F.U. Probably because you're lying and clearly no nothing about your supposed history. Type "A Georgia Sharecropper’s Story of Forced Labor ca. 1900" so you can learn about the high rate of SA among sharecropper's wives.
What black women DID have back then...which every woman has always had...is desire and the ability to sneak around. Ever hear of the Creoles? Ever hear of Puerto Rico and DR? Are you arguing that r--pe was the cause of all these situations? Yall need to study history. You watch one or two race movies and you make these silly claims.
@@writepro1914Or the white dude could have been jealous of the black man who he was taught he was better than based on the fact his white father owned this other man’s family. Like don’t be dense yourself. Your modern day issues with Black women doesn’t make r*pe in 1904 impossible. If she willingly slept with that man and “loved him”, her son would’ve been aware of his paternity. Yea there are women who slept with men to get ahead but there were few relationships between Black women and white men where they could be equals prior to civil rights. History books can tell you that too.
Ancestry is deep to it core. We’re going through our family tree now five generations back took us back as a black family to 1797 our white family members fifth generation great grandmother and their 10 children is crazy. One of those children was the father of my great grandmother.
The problem with both Ciara and the host saying this was consensual is that Black ppl did not have agency during that time, nor were the laws on their side. So, even if it was technically consensual, it still wouldn't be consensual the same way that a boss having an affair with one of his lower level workers isn't consensual. There is a power differential that doesn't allow either person to be on the same level when it comes to agency.
Of course black people had agency in the early 1900s. They didn't have agency when they were enslaved, but slavery was abolished in 1865. Black people in early 1900s Georgia were oppressed under white supremacy and Jim Crow laws, but being oppressed is not the same as not having agency. It was also the same time period as George Washington Carver and W. E. B. Dubois. Historically black colleges and universities grew after the Civil War, with one in Atlanta starting in 1865 and by 1903 there were eight in Georgia. I do agree with the rest of what you wrote. If it was an affair it probably wasn't consensual, or it could have been r@pe (which I think is most likely). Extramarital affairs were rare in the South during that time period, especially interracial ones, making one between them unlikely.
I highly doubt it was consensual! Men came and took what they wanted back then I’m shocked she didn’t give her great great grandmother the benefit of the doubt
What? Her white great great grandfather was born 1 year before slavery was abolished, so he didn't grow up around slavery. He grew up during Reconstruction period which was a prosperous time for blacks. Is it that hard for you to conceive that maybe she had an affair?
@@mul7777You really believe that a year made a huge difference in how black people were viewed and treated???? You believe everything changed overnight? Mentalities?? You believe that most black people were prosperous during reconstruction??? You really do not know history at all. Black people were “free” but it took another 100 years before they would receive rights!! And even after that they were mistreated. Black people were being attacked and lynched after enslavement. Their homes were burned. They were terrorized daily. And black women had NO voice. Even if “consensual” it may have been survival. Yes, a love story is a possibility but we don’t know that and neither does Dr. Gates or Ciara.
Back then married or not if a white man saw a black woman that he wanted he just have arranged or just took her After all she was someone's wife And how did her husband felt 😮😮😮😮😮
I don't think that was love. In my personal opinion, they weren't that far off from the ending of “The Peculiar Institution,” and many southern whites still felt they had a right to the bodies of African-decent blacks.
I see u these things and feel gracious to know that i knew ppl that were alive during that time. My great great grandmother was born in 1905 or 1906. She passed at 106 years old and I was maybe 15 at the time. Crazy.
@@memcrew1Do you think that the wife was so spiteful of her husband that she would lay with his former owner? Do you think that the husband couldn't tell that the child wasn't mixed race?
The same exact thing happened to my great great grandmother , and my family was from Guyana so imagine all over the world in places that were colonized this happened more than we know.
Wouldn’t it be beautiful if this time and money was spent on those people- like adoptees- who need a sense of their beginnings? I love this series, but it would be lovely if this energy was directed to those who could be healed through this information. ❤
I am one of those descendants. 😢 It has been a hard journey even through Ancestry. I have not been able to find any, as they say hints, of anyone but possible 3rd cousins. No 1st. And No 2nd cousins only two 3rd cousins on my link The matches then jump to 5th cousins and a lot of 6th-8th cousins 😮 It makes you wonder what really happened to my grandparents they are not telling us? I did notice a lot of name changes coming to America.
@@mstaz1688 I agree. My point is more about the celebrities - again, I love the series, just saying they could expand a little into that area, or some series coul.
😄 I know you want to believe the Hollywood version of reality. What percent of rapes are White on black per DOJ statistics? Like 0.0, but you want to believe that back then it was 100%. yeah, right
There is no way that was consensual, I wish PBS pushed back on that... There are a lot of African American descendants from SA victims, let's not revise history
Let's be honest this is just AMAZING!!!! WOW! I've heard stories and I can remember when my family had a reunion and I discovered that I had a cousin in North Carolina with my mom's exact name, I called her and explained to her who I was, and she said yes I've heard we have A LOT of family in North Alabama.... I then started hearing that I had white relatives that are kin to me! You just never know!
SHAME ON GATES BECAUSE HE KNOWS full well that, STATISTICALLY, it wasn't consensual! he can be so grotesque sometimes. why even ask the question out loud? why does he play dumb like that??
I think he asked to see what she would say. But the problem I have with that is he agreed with her and didn't counteract with stats & probability of the reality of the times
Definitely to keep the “optics” clear and transparent … I wonder who the majority of the audience is that watches this show?!? If it’s not a predominantly melanated audience, maybe that’s why he asked the way he did …
How ironic that D. Jeter is her cousin & her husband, Russell was wearing My NY❤🗽🏙💙Yankee's Uniform! I always had a feeling her family was frome here & not ATL originally. Great Show, Congrats on 10 Seasons Professor Gates. Brooklyn Love, From My Family 💘🗽🏙🇺🇸🇯🇲🏴🇮🇪🇹🇹🇮🇳🇵🇦🇨🇦🇬🇧💙❤🖤💛💚🧡
People in the comment section think they’re historians. We will never know if the relationship was consensual or not. Are we to assume that they only had one encounter? At the end of the day, the most important thing is that Ciara knows who her ancestors are.
Btw we all have 16 great great grand parents. 8 great great grandmothers and 8 great great grand fathers... They usually only highlight one or two... By the time you hit the 10th generation u have over 2000 ancestors in your family line.
There was also a Walter Lafayette Head in Monroe Georgia at the time who married Amanda E James in 1889 but one of the census records have these two as being Black. Walker L Head married Maude L in 1888. On the 1900 Census, they had 5 children aged 1 to 9 years. Nathan Head married Emily Redding and on the 1910 Census, they had 7 children, Willie was the 3rd youngest. So both parents were married with a number of children.
they no longer prompt a single company and shy away from prompting any company, but more than likely they are using ancestry because it has the biggest database of people and has record connections.
Girl, it's a scam. This show uses celebrity to lure you into their "database" where they can tell you that your ancestors are from Africa or anywhere else but right here on Turtle Island (Americas) . They make up stories to give you some sort of legitimacy when it's a slant to keep the indigenous people asleep and never knowing themselves or their true power. The visuals are very clever, but they aren't TRUE 80% of the time. Whatever you can collect ON YOUR OWN (See The Research Guy - he can help too) is more factual and even these days since more of us are looking they're making it more expensive to research and less accessible.
OT...President Carter's mother Lillian's maiden name was Gordy. Please do Berry Gordy, founder of Motown before he passes. I believe the Gordy name may be found on Ms Lillian's family tree.
We are in the same question about my grandpa and uncle. We know that their siblings look nothing like them . Their parents and 4 other siblings look just like their parents. On an ancestry there are know one with the last name of our grandfathers last name or dna related. But a relative of the man that shows as a cousin of the man that is dna cousin of ours .
You need more tact in learning how to talk about and present what is more likely than not a non consensual relationship. I guess only men can sit there and smile at this when women all get sick in the pit of their stomachs because they know what happened
You can see on Ciara's face that see did not like where this was going. The fact that they tried to pretty things up for some people who don't want to confront the truth makes me sure I will NEVER watch this show.
I guess her great-great grandaddy was a stand-up guy like Russell. I bet he knew that child looked different for a reason. During that time, neither the mother or father was going to make waves and end up dead. The only alternative was just to love that child because the child had nothing to do with what happened.
I dont think it's that high for most. The look for most is still African. You'd look more like Latinos from The Dominican Republic, Cubans, Brazilians etc. If you were that mixed. Most Black Americans look Nigerian.
@@hereiswisdom This statement just shows how much you know about how black genetics work. I can name my white great-great grandfather and knew my mixed great-grandfather very well (he lived to 101 & died from COVID) and his 6 children (1 being my grandfather who was very light) range from all different shades, my grandfather's closest brother was darker than all (3 you can't tell have any white heritage at all). My mom is brown so is my dad and I, then comes my son, who is much lighter than BOTH of his darker brown parents. How? Genetics!
She can choose to believe that, but I don't. In the year 1900s, in Georgia, where black people, despite it being post Emancipation, still did not have basic rights. I believe she was assaulted, unfortunately.
Viewers have discernment when ever you watch “programs” that you think are safe spaces and hold integrity. Our ppl will do and say anything for a check and anything to appease “others” and promote their agenda.(swirling and pacifying evil) Absolutely disgusting. I’m highly disappointed in the both of you.
This is my current wall! I have long suspected my great-great grandma was adopted but never had any confirmation. She was the 1st child of her mom, who was in her 40s, and her dad, who was the Postmaster. I have genetic links to ancestors going back 5 generations (the father of the mother of the mother of the father of my fathers mother) but I find it so strange that I can't find any DNA links to my direct female ancestor. This is the side of the family that looks mixed with something (dare they ever admit it) so it will always be curious to me
oh, I wonder. I am from a white family name of Head from Macon, GA area. Not a Nathian though. But, also a guy that had two properties in different counties and two seperate families at the same time during about the same time frame. Them Heads were tricky people.
I love this program. Absolutely fascinating. I have a similar situation in my ancestry, my great-grandmother's birth record states she was an illegitimate child, so we don't know who her father was. Her mom married a few years later and it seems he adopted my great-grandmother, since she got his last name. But my family are convinced he wasn't her biological father. A relative of mine did some digging and found that around the time her mom got pregnant he worked at a farm where also a number of men worked. Anyone of them could possibly have been our ancestor then. Guess we'll never know. 😅
Consensual yeah right, I really hope Ciara doesn't seriously fall for that and continues to look into that history on her own. She needs to look at what was going on at the time.
I doubt if it was consensual bc the lady in question didn't seem to tell her husband this child might not be his. Probably took that one to the grave but very fascinating history here
The fact that yall created a narrative that this black family lived in the land of the white family as "share croppers" and not "slaves" shows me why i no longer need to watch these.
Shid y’all talking about if she had a choice, her husband barely had a choice to confront him and protect her if it was assault. Very little changed between slavery and sharecropping. May that woman’s soul rest in peace ♥️
Or maybe she wanted it or just complied because of the power dynamic
I actually find it offensive the way they're trivializing what was very likely SA of a BW at a time when BP (especially BW) barely had any rights with this love is love nonsense. It's sick.
They love ⚪️ then as they do now
like he said 'desire is color blind' Affairs like this happened all the time.
@@thedayaftertomorrow9502 Oh I'm almost certain that it was SA. SA of sharecropper's wives by WM was one of the most common forms at the time. Acknowledging that doesn't mesh with the agenda apparently.
This made me very sad. I doubt it was consensual. The timeline alone speaks volumes. The men were out in the field practically every day, all day. It would be easy for a man to assault a lone woman (without basic human rights) and get away with it.💔
Agreed. Especially if that man had power.
💔
This is exactly the reason you will never hear me (a white woman) claim to be Cherokee in any way. My Native American ancestor was a Cherokee woman from the Kansas/Oklahoma area. The problem is that my ancestor dates to around the time of the Trail of Tears.
This was what I thought immediately.
This was what I thought immediately.
The fact that they’re making it seem like an affair when he said, the 2 men were in on deceiving the husband in order to take advantage of his wife is wild. This is why some people stay in a world of delusion
When did he say that ? I didnt hear that part
@@ndo533 listen to it again
upsetting
@@ndo533I think they are referring to the part where Walker Head and Whit Torbet were involved in why the husband Nathan was working 80 miles away from home. If Emily stayed back in the other county then she was alone more which could have been unsafe and if she went with Nathan to Butts county then she was closer to Walker, which could also have been unsafe. I know farm workers today have terrible problems with living on farms or nearby accommodations. I can't imagine it being better in the 1800s.
there are a number of possibilities. some worse than others
Uncovering family history is a journey in itself
This is very true. I've always said that I wanted to delve deeper into my family history. I've hit a road block and always wondered how much it would cost to use a genealogist for help.
@@lovejones0686 I hit several road blocks
they created a fairly tale here, not the actual history
Ciara saying she believes it was consensual makes me think she didn’t understand what he said initially, is delusional, or lying for the cameras. Girl what?!
Exactly!!
Sometime we cant conceive the magnitudes of a thing so we only see it as it would be Lively in the present
In her eyes you could see that she wasn't following what was being laid out before her.
@@taliadavis4297I can relate to this.
My Husband strongly believes his Maternal Great-GrandParents were of consensual circumstances.
And, yet, in terms of my Paternal lineage particularly of my Native x German side, I highly think NOT.
She looked confused the majority of the time. You could tell she didn't fully understand the terminology he was using. Her face said she couldn't keep up with what's actually going on.
Cici's reactions 😂😂😂" hm hm hm hmmm"
That tickled me.😂😂😂
I felt that😂❤
Her participation was probably mandatory but she knows better.
I know, right? She reminded me of the women in my family. I love her…
Be careful what you ask for. We all want to know our family history but the truth can be dark.
Or, in this case, white.
For some People very "DARK" indeed.
Absolutely 💕
Dark?
My whole life I thought I was black but my family was French and have slaves
Ciara has a beautiful speaking voice and she’s beautiful! I’ve always been such a fan and loved her music but I’ve never heard her speaking voice just singing
Family ancestry can be a mystery or it can be revealing of some hidden truth. This show and their research are amazing.
If she wanted to be impartial, she should’ve just said … I really don’t know
I feel like both of them tried to put lipstick on a pig with this situation. Hopefully the full episode will provide more context because I don’t understand how they came to the conclusion that the affair was consensual 🤷🏽♀️
Exactly!!!
I agree! It's fairytale thinking
And then with Nathan accepting the child as his own because he DEFINITELY knew…it gives more reason to believe it was bad circumstances. How long did he stay farming over there
She seems extremely niave…!
How could they not think that walkers family was the former owners of Nathan family given that they had the same name.
I know she could not really think that her great-grandmother had a choice or she was ok with it.
Why assume that? You can only be attracted to someone who looks just like you? Y'all are so odd.
@@sabrinashelton1997Did you see the timeline.. we all know what was happening back then. It’s not a mystery. I’ve noticed a pattern with people who think you. You probably think Jim Crow didn’t exist.
Oooh, Jim Crow, love him. Big fan, big fan. @@troywest1724
@@ABCDE.F.U. The probability is that she was SA'd. I don't know why people like you don't understand that downplaying our history only breeds more resentment.
@@ABCDE.F.U. Probably because you're lying and clearly no nothing about your supposed history. Type "A Georgia Sharecropper’s Story of Forced Labor ca. 1900" so you can learn about the high rate of SA among sharecropper's wives.
There is no way of knowing if it was consensual or if he sexually assaulted her
It was most likely consensual
@@elliottoju495*likely not consensual.
Its likely that it was coerced consensual.
Exactly, she was a little to quick to accuse her ancestor of adultery for me.
That’s what I think and is factual in many cases
That is a troubling conclusion. I don't believe this was consensual. Black women had no agency at that time.
What black women DID have back then...which every woman has always had...is desire and the ability to sneak around. Ever hear of the Creoles? Ever hear of Puerto Rico and DR? Are you arguing that r--pe was the cause of all these situations? Yall need to study history. You watch one or two race movies and you make these silly claims.
@@writepro1914Creoles and Carribeans were brought up in South European culture which promoted the idea of black women making white grandchildren
it was 1904 so black people were free. Who knows what really happened
@@writepro1914Or the white dude could have been jealous of the black man who he was taught he was better than based on the fact his white father owned this other man’s family. Like don’t be dense yourself. Your modern day issues with Black women doesn’t make r*pe in 1904 impossible. If she willingly slept with that man and “loved him”, her son would’ve been aware of his paternity. Yea there are women who slept with men to get ahead but there were few relationships between Black women and white men where they could be equals prior to civil rights. History books can tell you that too.
You know it wasn't
Ancestry is deep to it core. We’re going through our family tree now five generations back took us back as a black family to 1797 our white family members fifth generation great grandmother and their 10 children is crazy. One of those children was the father of my great grandmother.
The problem with both Ciara and the host saying this was consensual is that Black ppl did not have agency during that time, nor were the laws on their side. So, even if it was technically consensual, it still wouldn't be consensual the same way that a boss having an affair with one of his lower level workers isn't consensual. There is a power differential that doesn't allow either person to be on the same level when it comes to agency.
thank you! this!
He shouldn't have even uttered that out of his mouth.
My thoughts exactly! His question very much gave “leading the witness” 🙄
Of course black people had agency in the early 1900s. They didn't have agency when they were enslaved, but slavery was abolished in 1865. Black people in early 1900s Georgia were oppressed under white supremacy and Jim Crow laws, but being oppressed is not the same as not having agency. It was also the same time period as George Washington Carver and W. E. B. Dubois. Historically black colleges and universities grew after the Civil War, with one in Atlanta starting in 1865 and by 1903 there were eight in Georgia. I do agree with the rest of what you wrote. If it was an affair it probably wasn't consensual, or it could have been r@pe (which I think is most likely). Extramarital affairs were rare in the South during that time period, especially interracial ones, making one between them unlikely.
Thank you @@Frodojack it would have been 1904 a long way from slavery
Exactly.
For them to assume she had an affair and never consider she was violated is incredible.
My thoughts exactly!
Yeahhhhhhhh
I highly doubt it was consensual! Men came and took what they wanted back then I’m shocked she didn’t give her great great grandmother the benefit of the doubt
She’s programmed with misogynoir
It's disrespectful and embarrassing. They know how to pick them for these shows.
Playing devil’s advocate is much more common than giving Black women the benefit of the doubt unfortunately
What? Her white great great grandfather was born 1 year before slavery was abolished, so he didn't grow up around slavery. He grew up during Reconstruction period which was a prosperous time for blacks. Is it that hard for you to conceive that maybe she had an affair?
@@mul7777You really believe that a year made a huge difference in how black people were viewed and treated????
You believe everything changed overnight? Mentalities??
You believe that most black people were prosperous during reconstruction???
You really do not know history at all.
Black people were “free” but it took another 100 years before they would receive rights!! And even after that they were mistreated.
Black people were being attacked and lynched after enslavement. Their homes were burned. They were terrorized daily.
And black women had NO voice. Even if “consensual” it may have been survival.
Yes, a love story is a possibility but we don’t know that and neither does Dr. Gates or Ciara.
Ciara looking like why you putting all my family business out here like this
😂😂
It is very dangerous to assume that BW had that level of agency to consent. Dr. Gates loves a we are the world moment🤦🏾♀️
He can’t say that if he doesn’t have any proof, use your head fr.
@@TQO81 I don't understand what you're referring to or your aggressive tone (use your head).
It's disrespectful.
@@TQO81you literally can as there was a clear power imbalance during the time
And he’s a know liar remember when he did Ben Affleck
As much as I NEED to believe the event was consensual……….😢 I’m tired of this pain.
🫂
it’s a disservice to your ancestors to believe fairytales over truths
The narrator's presentation style is so great for this show, always slow and emphatic
Very impressive: intelligent and empathetic.
Oh the drama… well… we don’t know what happen, but we can probably assume Nathan knew
Right
Likely she was assaulted. Nathan probably knew that baby wasnt his cuz
And he probably knew exactly who the daddy was considering they grew up together. I’m saddened that Dr Gates CHOSE to simplify the relationship.
Y’all reaching
That was very common
Obviously. The baby was biracial lol
Seems to me that yt man FOLLOWED them there because Nathan and his wife had already moved.
It's like the Caribbean song,"Your daddy not you daddy but your dad don't know."
Back then married or not if a white man saw a black woman that he wanted he just have arranged or just took her After all she was someone's wife And how did her husband felt 😮😮😮😮😮
Or maybe she wanted it too.
@@holeefuk413Highly doubt that… especially with the history of those from Western Europe.
Not just any white man. But certainly ones in charge.
@@holeefuk413NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT👀
@@troywest1724no real black woman who loves herself wants a white man… but I think a white man can win over her heart
You can tell immediately what Ciara was thinking with that side eye !
I don't think that was love. In my personal opinion, they weren't that far off from the ending of “The Peculiar Institution,” and many southern whites still felt they had a right to the bodies of African-decent blacks.
Delusional watching too many reruns of roots
You seem delulu😂
@@Cherrylipgloss2025 You are ignorant of history or likely covering up as is customary with those of your ilk.
I see u these things and feel gracious to know that i knew ppl that were alive during that time. My great great grandmother was born in 1905 or 1906. She passed at 106 years old and I was maybe 15 at the time. Crazy.
Right?!
Our ancestors were breathing in the same air as so many historically influential people😮😮
It blows my mind too
wow. really love this show, especially when they dig into african american participants lineage
Whats funny to me is all these very light skinned ppl are surprised when they find a white ancestor.
You think she’s very light skin
She’s light enough to have suspected a white ancestor.
Being light skinned doesn’t always equate to having white ancestry just like being dark skinned doesn’t mean you don’t have white ancestry
@@MakeWay4CJ most of us have a few
What's funny to me is all of these white people who don't know that their ancient ancestors are from Africa.
So happy Ciara is learning about her family
These white men back then were going from one black woman to another. Consenual or not it was done with impunity.
I doubt this was consensual.
This entire comments section doubts it, too 💯
@@HabitualLoverRiiiight, because we all know it’s “impossible” for a sister to find a YT man attractive.
@@memcrew1Do you think that the wife was so spiteful of her husband that she would lay with his former owner? Do you think that the husband couldn't tell that the child wasn't mixed race?
She has the same candance as Jlo. Even when speaking she seems like she is performing an act. And the end just proved it
Love is love? 😢
I would love to do one of these on my family. My family's roots are a jumble mess.
The same exact thing happened to my great great grandmother , and my family was from Guyana so imagine all over the world in places that were colonized this happened more than we know.
When she said Walker, I was expecting to hear "Texas Ranger"
Wouldn’t it be beautiful if this time and money was spent on those people- like adoptees- who need a sense of their beginnings? I love this series, but it would be lovely if this energy was directed to those who could be healed through this information. ❤
This is a beautiful idea! Find a way to present it
I am one of those descendants. 😢
It has been a hard journey even through Ancestry.
I have not been able to find any, as they say hints, of anyone but possible 3rd cousins.
No 1st. And No 2nd cousins only two 3rd cousins on my link
The matches then jump to 5th cousins and a lot of 6th-8th cousins 😮
It makes you wonder what really happened to my grandparents they are not telling us?
I did notice a lot of name changes coming to America.
Black Americans who descended from slavery deserve the time and money to trace the lineage. They are being healed through this information. 🙄
@@mstaz1688 I agree. My point is more about the celebrities - again, I love the series, just saying they could expand a little into that area, or some series coul.
There's a British show with this premise called Long Lost Family. A tear-jerker every time!
Ciara is absolutely stunning
Walter is the Husband of my 6th Cousin twice removed - Meaning Sierra and I are like 8th 9th cousins - Mind blowing ❤❤
That is mind blowing but cool.So she would be your cousin in law to the 8 power is what your saying? 😂😂😂
I think I was SA
This is powerful and quite emotional!!!
She said the congenial answer. Love Ci ci for being quick on her feet.
Ummmmm ...
Trust me on this: THAT was NOT a "consensual" relationship!!
Lol stickin to the script you are
😄 I know you want to believe the Hollywood version of reality. What percent of rapes are White on black per DOJ statistics? Like 0.0, but you want to believe that back then it was 100%. yeah, right
I doubt it was consensual. I am not sure what made them think it was? 🤔
She was saying that to save face.
It's a narrative push.
❤Exacly totally agreeing here 😮
@@zeroturn7091😅
There is no way that was consensual, I wish PBS pushed back on that... There are a lot of African American descendants from SA victims, let's not revise history
it’s so disrespectful
Let's be honest this is just AMAZING!!!! WOW!
I've heard stories and I can remember when my family had a reunion and I discovered that I had a cousin in North Carolina with my mom's exact name, I called her and explained to her who I was, and she said yes I've heard we have A LOT of family in North Alabama.... I then started hearing that I had white relatives that are kin to me!
You just never know!
Ohh her reaction definitely seemed tempered for tv.😂 i think i need to see that full episode.
Almost all of us have White ancestry but it’s incredible she was able to find out her great, great grandfather’s name!
Wow
Really it's incredible to know a great great grandpa's name? I know my 10 times great grand parent's names.
Maybe 75%. They realized the value of the "one drop" rule.
That's an interesting conclusion. 🤔
"Desire is colour blind" is a wild statement.
SHAME ON GATES BECAUSE HE KNOWS full well that, STATISTICALLY, it wasn't consensual! he can be so grotesque sometimes. why even ask the question out loud? why does he play dumb like that??
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I think he asked to see what she would say. But the problem I have with that is he agreed with her and didn't counteract with stats & probability of the reality of the times
The thumbnail summarizes this clip perfectly. Should have been Cici’s response to Gates’ disgusting whitewashing of history: whatchu say? Ugh!
Definitely to keep the “optics” clear and transparent … I wonder who the majority of the audience is that watches this show?!? If it’s not a predominantly melanated audience, maybe that’s why he asked the way he did …
He doesn't want to be cancelled,so at times he pretends to be ignorant
How ironic that D. Jeter is her cousin & her husband, Russell was wearing My NY❤🗽🏙💙Yankee's Uniform! I always had a feeling her family was frome here & not ATL originally. Great Show, Congrats on 10 Seasons Professor Gates. Brooklyn Love, From My Family 💘🗽🏙🇺🇸🇯🇲🏴🇮🇪🇹🇹🇮🇳🇵🇦🇨🇦🇬🇧💙❤🖤💛💚🧡
People in the comment section think they’re historians. We will never know if the relationship was consensual or not. Are we to assume that they only had one encounter?
At the end of the day, the most important thing is that Ciara knows who her ancestors are.
Btw we all have 16 great great grand parents. 8 great great grandmothers and 8 great great grand fathers... They usually only highlight one or two... By the time you hit the 10th generation u have over 2000 ancestors in your family line.
Sharecropping no that was still slavery and I'm pretty sure it wasn't consensual
There was also a Walter Lafayette Head in Monroe Georgia at the time who married Amanda E James in 1889 but one of the census records have these two as being Black. Walker L Head married Maude L in 1888. On the 1900 Census, they had 5 children aged 1 to 9 years. Nathan Head married Emily Redding and on the 1910 Census, they had 7 children, Willie was the 3rd youngest. So both parents were married with a number of children.
Does PBS or an affiliate company provide ancestry services/findings for general public. If so, what is the cost ans process?
they no longer prompt a single company and shy away from prompting any company, but more than likely they are using ancestry because it has the biggest database of people and has record connections.
Girl, it's a scam. This show uses celebrity to lure you into their "database" where they can tell you that your ancestors are from Africa or anywhere else but right here on Turtle Island (Americas) . They make up stories to give you some sort of legitimacy when it's a slant to keep the indigenous people asleep and never knowing themselves or their true power. The visuals are very clever, but they aren't TRUE 80% of the time. Whatever you can collect ON YOUR OWN (See The Research Guy - he can help too) is more factual and even these days since more of us are looking they're making it more expensive to research and less accessible.
In shock she thinks it was consensual! Smh
because the truth might be too much for her.
She doesn’t seem to bright and this is why you probably don’t see her doing to many interviews just dancing around and making TikToks.
Smh just heartbreaking 💔
No one knows!
@@celticmulato2609 spoken like someone who doesn't understand the institution of slavery. If she did say no, it wouldn't matter.
OT...President Carter's mother Lillian's maiden name was Gordy. Please do Berry Gordy, founder of Motown before he passes. I believe the Gordy name may be found on Ms Lillian's family tree.
What??!! Love is love! Everyone knows it was not consensual in 1902! Let’s just pretend they were in love. 🤦🏽♀️
We do not know that. You are assuming.
Not every S$xual relationship was forced back then, lots of IR couples had their affair kept secret .
Maybe she was a gold digger like today.
This is crazy 😱 you just never know the truth unless you search it.
She know what it really was...dont play ma'am.
She has to play nice. This was mandatory for her to do, NOT selective. They have to reach every generation who doubts otherwise.
She just made me look at her differently
I’m from Monroe County ga!!!!!!
Ciara i know you don't really think that was consensual 🙄
It was all in the reactions her eyes say it all 😂😂😂😂😂
You can’t control love but you can control how you act. Falling in love with someone else is not an excuse for cheating
The best detectives on the planet.
We are in the same question about my grandpa and uncle. We know that their siblings look nothing like them . Their parents and 4 other siblings look just like their parents. On an ancestry there are know one with the last name of our grandfathers last name or dna related. But a relative of the man that shows as a cousin of the man that is dna cousin of ours .
Awesome as always. 😘
I noticed something: "You're Still the One." By Shania Twain. 😘
Disgusting Title.
Probably NOT consensual.
What do you know? Probably "NOT" or Probably "YES". Only they them selfs knew about that. Nobody else.
why they got CC in the thumbnail like that?! lol
You need more tact in learning how to talk about and present what is more likely than not a non consensual relationship. I guess only men can sit there and smile at this when women all get sick in the pit of their stomachs because they know what happened
I thought the same thing. Too bad we can't go back and undo this filth 😞💩👹
I didn't know Ciara rode the short bus.
Ciara always was a little slow 😂😂😂
Shes beautiful ❤
I bet my life it wasnt consensual
You can see on Ciara's face that see did not like where this was going. The fact that they tried to pretty things up for some people who don't want to confront the truth makes me sure I will NEVER watch this show.
Was it consensual? It's like saying the sky is brown. No, it wasn't.
6:31 Ciara's forced smile says it all.
Consensual? I doubt it
Right
I guess her great-great grandaddy was a stand-up guy like Russell. I bet he knew that child looked different for a reason. During that time, neither the mother or father was going to make waves and end up dead. The only alternative was just to love that child because the child had nothing to do with what happened.
Who was shocked? My great grandfather was white and I’m chocolate. The average black American is 1/4 European
I dont think it's that high for most. The look for most is still African. You'd look more like Latinos from The Dominican Republic, Cubans, Brazilians etc. If you were that mixed. Most Black Americans look Nigerian.
@@hereiswisdom This statement just shows how much you know about how black genetics work. I can name my white great-great grandfather and knew my mixed great-grandfather very well (he lived to 101 & died from COVID) and his 6 children (1 being my grandfather who was very light) range from all different shades, my grandfather's closest brother was darker than all (3 you can't tell have any white heritage at all). My mom is brown so is my dad and I, then comes my son, who is much lighter than BOTH of his darker brown parents. How? Genetics!
Exactly. I am 22% white, 75% black, and the rest is a mixture of everything. I believe this is common for AA’s
You are correct in your statement! Most descendants of transatlantic slavery in North America are around 30% European.
@@hereiswisdomyou could have just looked up the stats and not looked dumb
PBS news hour dosen't let people comment. Why? I thought they cared about the people's opinions.
Oh they cleaned that up🤦🏾♀️🙄
She can choose to believe that, but I don't. In the year 1900s, in Georgia, where black people, despite it being post Emancipation, still did not have basic rights. I believe she was assaulted, unfortunately.
The timing makes it very clear what was happening here.
The man who raised them is the best.
Viewers have discernment when ever you watch “programs” that you think are safe spaces and hold integrity. Our ppl will do and say anything for a check and anything to appease “others” and promote their agenda.(swirling and pacifying evil) Absolutely disgusting. I’m highly disappointed in the both of you.
This is my current wall! I have long suspected my great-great grandma was adopted but never had any confirmation. She was the 1st child of her mom, who was in her 40s, and her dad, who was the Postmaster. I have genetic links to ancestors going back 5 generations (the father of the mother of the mother of the father of my fathers mother) but I find it so strange that I can't find any DNA links to my direct female ancestor. This is the side of the family that looks mixed with something (dare they ever admit it) so it will always be curious to me
oh, I wonder. I am from a white family name of Head from Macon, GA area. Not a Nathian though. But, also a guy that had two properties in different counties and two seperate families at the same time during about the same time frame. Them Heads were tricky people.
they were Heads for a reason then 🤣😅😆😄
Shouldve been called Heels, huh? Kikikiki 😁
I don't know who Ciara Harris is, but I'm glad she didn't, on screen, lose control of her emotions like some others have done.
Mama's baby, Daddy's maybe was real even way back then. This is like the 5th - 6th time this has happened on this show.
Why the Sugar coating this segment knowing it’s Black history month
I love this program. Absolutely fascinating. I have a similar situation in my ancestry, my great-grandmother's birth record states she was an illegitimate child, so we don't know who her father was. Her mom married a few years later and it seems he adopted my great-grandmother, since she got his last name. But my family are convinced he wasn't her biological father. A relative of mine did some digging and found that around the time her mom got pregnant he worked at a farm where also a number of men worked. Anyone of them could possibly have been our ancestor then. Guess we'll never know. 😅
I’m betting the bank that wasn’t a consensual relationship
Consensual yeah right, I really hope Ciara doesn't seriously fall for that and continues to look into that history on her own. She needs to look at what was going on at the time.
Made me think of the Public Enemy video Can’t Truss It
I doubt if it was consensual bc the lady in question didn't seem to tell her husband this child might not be his. Probably took that one to the grave but very fascinating history here
The fact that yall created a narrative that this black family lived in the land of the white family as "share croppers" and not "slaves" shows me why i no longer need to watch these.
Imagine the next generation watching this and having no other historical context and believing it to be true