UNBELIEVABLE: Missing Ohio Boy Found Dead Inside a Chimney! Accident or Foul Play? | Harley Dilly
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UNBELIEVABLE: Missing Ohio Boy Found Dead Inside a Chimney! Accident or Foul Play? | Harley Dilly
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Annie, it’s not assburgers!! It’s Aspergers, pronounced As-per-gers. Geez 🙄
That boy got in that chimney himself…he didn’t like to be dirty…I have an Aspie…he took his glasses, Jersey, and coat off first. That’s why his arms were above his head. He wanted clean clothes when he got out of that chimney. He panicked when he realized he wasn’t getting out because his arms were above his head. He was brilliant. He didn’t want to damage property, so he climbed up there to use the chimney.
His parents are innocent. They’re tired and frustrated and self blame, but they didn’t put him there. This was an Aspie who was going to do what he was going to do. If you understand Aspies, you KNOW. They are determined. And brilliant. And strong. And Harley will be missed.
@ 27:18 mark might need to be censored if this neighbor is a minor child
aspergers isnt a valled diagnosis anymore its all ASD (Autism Spectrom Dissorder ) also the term aspergers is named after a nazi that weeded out the´´usefull autistics´´
@wldncrzy1971 His coat and glasses were found outside the chimney inside the home. Explain that to me please??
I cackled when Harley said “Back at it like a crack addict” cos I was not expecting that and I love it. Poor kid had some spunk!!
I've seen this covered several times but NEVER with this much focus on who Harley was. It's so important that you're helping more people to remember him
Same. This is a far more accurate and thorough version of this story I have heard
Just excellent work!
Yes this is one of the best versions of Harley Dillys story I have heard. Focusing more on Harley and who he was and the struggles he faced in his short life. Thank you Annie.😊
He never had a chance with that loser family
So sad. I bet he was so scared. Especially having sensory issues. 😢 you’ll stay with me Harley Dilly!
@@karenmccann8644m
These parents were negligent. No 14 year old should be gone for 40 hours before searching for them. Ridiculous.
He had RAD "Reactive attachment disorder (RAD) is a condition found in children who may have had grossly negligent care and don’t form healthy emotional attachments with their primary caregivers -- usually their mothers -- before age 5."
That speaks for itself
Unless you go through it you just don't know!
It really irks me too that when Harley was having a hard time, the parents let the parents of Harley's friends deal with him. Sorry but that's terrible. Then locking him out of the house, that's just HORRID in this day and age. It's just way too dangerous.
The fact you perfect people have nothing but judgement is disappointing af
Are u a parent?
The mom can cry all she wants, waiting almost 2 days before they bothered to wonder where he was is unforgivable.
I don't care how bad of a teen you were or are...if my child was gone , and not home by set curfew. I'm reporting it EVERY SINGLE TIME. I don't care if that child is running away daily. It's my job as a parent
@@briannecaswell6204you’re absolutely correct
@@amberrose7495 did you comment under the wrong video? Is your point really that you were a tough kid and your mom handled it well so naturally to you that means it's okay to let your autistic toddler be beaten a lot, not help your kid, learn nothing about autism, emotionally abuse them, then not report them missing for days? I don't see the connection. Your mom handled you well so therefore you support autistic kids being abused and dead? WTF?
@@briannecaswell6204 did you see the mom below who "called twice" and decided it was too much to ask. wow
@@amberrose7495what a way to make this about yourself
I can't imagine not seeing my 14 yo kid for 41 hours & not knowing FOR SURE where he was (friends or whatever). That's crazy to me.
My 15yr old son lives in his room but when he comes out I'm always so excited to see him. So I agree with you, how could someone just not care?
Unfortunately when I was 13 I ran away for a whole week. Didnt gaf how my dad felt smh. Now I have kids I feel so terrible for doing that to him. Idk how he held it together. A friend did snitch on me 2days in so technically he knew I was ok and where I was but still had to be nerve wrecking. He didnt call police on me and let me come home on my own because we had a big argument over me having a bf so I ran away to his house like a dummy. I could see why she may think he was ok esp at that age.
My 14 year old lives in his room too. There’s no way in hell my kid could be gone that long and me not just absolutely freaking out searching EVERYWHERE.
Exactly. I would be looking everywhere and calling everyone and reporting to police as soon as my child didn’t come home from school but to be fair, I still make sure my 14 year old gets on the bus and have life 360. I require my child to keep location on at all times in order for them to have a cell phone. I don’t take chances.
This child didn’t feel understood or loved…all he needed was extra reassurance. 😢
His mother saying she had been texting Harley when she knew his phone was broken stood out to me as strange.
Not really. It's a lot of ppl 1st response it to text or call someone they are trying to talk to. Forgetting that their phone isn't working or that they are no longer with us. Like after my son was killed. I still found myself picking up the phone to text him. Then realizing that he was gone. That I would never talk to him on earth again. I guess unless you've been in that situation, you wouldn't understand.
@@bexxshort the difference being you stopped yourself upon the realization where as this mother implies she was actively texting him with no implications of him having a broken phone.
she know her son doesn’t have a cell phone. Who is a minor. Still goes that amount of without caring where he is? Especially since he has autism. That is unacceptable
Maybe the screen was just cracked
I text my teenager when his phone is broken sometime he gets them on his gaming things etc.
Oh my goodness. Listening to him talk about his experience with his mom and being scared was heart breaking. This poor kid 💔
i live in port clinton. everybody from the area still thinks the parents had something to do with it. regardless of whether or not they did anything, they sure as hell should be charged with neglect for not calling the police until 41 hours later!
How scared that little boy must’ve been in his final moments of life. This story has always made me so sad. He deserved better.
I’d never heard of it before today.. believe it or not, it’s not a unique situation. Cyber sleuths like to make something more of it than it was.. a tragic accident.
@@Stephanie_Ella people aren't questioning it because it's an absurdly rare event. Rather, they question it because his clothes weren't just taken off and pushed through the holes... But they were also folded.
That's pretty reasonable for people to question; along with some other details.
He was most like deceased and dropped in the chimney. Probably suffocated. I sure hope so. Dying in a chimney like that is more than I could handle. I never saw or heard of any documentation of all the disorders this child had. It was all about her. I’m sure she fell apart when she got the news but she went right online and it was all about her and her problems. 😢
absolutely heartbreaking and utterly soul crushing 💔 this one really broke my heart and i just wish i could give him a hug and show him the care he deserves
Who locks their child out of the house and doesn't answer their phone!?! That's so distressing to me as a parent...
ODD most likely is what led to that. Sounds like he was a frequent runaway for at least overnight too.
As a new mother to a baby boy and as a sister to a brother on the autism spectrum I cannot understand how anyone can do that to someone they claim to love. Makes me feel sick with anxiety thinking about the stress and abandonment that child felt.
my mom did this to me all the time and even left me at walmart when i was 11. it was about 10pm at night and i had to walk 5 miles to get home, to a house we recently moved to. so i didn't know how to get there.
got home at 12am because i got lost, and she was mad that i didn't get there sooner. even though she left me at walmart without any warning. some people should not be parents.
Exactly! POS's
@@KD-bh2ju yeah but if u are like me that was a different world when we grew up. Now it's different out there
I love how his mom calmly says how his sister would beat him, how he struggled literally everywhere, yet she is the mom and she didn't do shit. Mom of the year.
Yea I found that interesting how she had to repeatedly state that his ptsd was "from his sister beating the shit out of him" yet he is the one getting anger management therapy. What are they doing/did they do about the sister)
His mother was awful, but I think she has her own issues. Idk if she has some kind of personality disorder, or bpd, or if she’s on the spectrum herself (or some combination thereof), but something’s going on there.
She’s definitely borderline. Histrionic and very possibly narcissistic
@@lanahaxerand where the f was she when this was going on
and all the comments here that are like, don't judge her, he seemed tough. Autism is tough so you allow a toddler to be beaten? people are insane
How could she lock him out and not answer the phone? My mom would rush home, from work, just to unlock the door if it was locked and made sure we got in and was safe. Especially when it’s so cold outside. That’s just cruel🤦🏾♀️
He was 14, not 4.
@@okiegranny4844It doesn’t matter if he was 14 and not 4. He is still a CHILD. Barely a teenager. If my 14 year old was locked out of the house, I would drop everything to make sure I got home to let her in and make sure she was safe. There’s WAY too many sick people in this world to have your children stuck outside for hours on end, ESPECIALLY IN THE COLD.
@okiegranny4844 okay, well now he's dead sooo? What's your point? They neglected him to the point that he DIED
That’s tapping into more of the poor child’s PTSD- which she was sure to mention (again & again), essentially giving him trauma between going with the police/ or a home; threat of being homeless.
Hearing all that from ‘mom at the end..? Too much- it comes across as someone to be scared of.
She is immediately able to relive her angry self/ give TMI. And I don’t like the only times she pauses (is whenever asked if “saw” him when arriving home. Those are her Most awkward moments… she doesn’t know what to/ How to answer.
Maybe it’s guilt, of not truly engaging with him…
But I dunno.
@@okiegranny484414 year Olds still need protection. We have a moral obligation to take care of and protect our children. I hope you never have kids. Clearly you would leave yours out to die like this mom. 🎉
one thing I have noticed in almost all the things the Mom has said, she ALWAYS points out that his sister "beat the shit out of him". she always made a point to say that in the interviews and interrogations and it's almost like she was trying to turn the focus of blame onto the sister. ALSO, with Harley's texture issue and aversion to being dirty, I don't see how or why he would have gone into the chimney. That's just how my brain is working though.
Right…..
His sister should never had to be a proxy mother to him, I think that is why she acted out as a teen. I mean really who thinks a 14 yr old can look after a difficult 2 yr old. Of course she lost it with him she didn't have the skills to deal with an autistic child and she never should have had to.
Yeah she had to pick up all the slack from mom not being available in a parental capacity. Apparently due to her depression and mental frailty.
Only said it once, but was replayed a number 9f times.
As a person with similar sensory issues to being dirty, it's not always a matter of not doing something because you will get dirty. Most of the time, I have learned to deal with the feeling until I am able to take care of it with a nightly shower or wash my hands, etc, so it wasn't super odd to me that he might have done that. Getting dirty in the moment is different than staying dirty.
I think it's important to note something crucial in this kind of situation... Just like we can't assume someone who appears to be a "good" parent isn't capable of hurting their child, we also can't assume a person who appears to be a "bad" parent IS capable of hurting their child.
Exactly! I’ve had friends grow up with drug addicted parents who would rather starve and go through withdrawals than let their kid be hungry; or they’d go cold turkey just to make sure they were a better parent. from the outside, they looked like they’d be a terrible person to their kids but they never were. I’ve also known parents who make six figures and give their kid everything imaginable, just to scream at them and hit them behind closed doors. You NEVER know what kind of parent someone is from the outside.
@@mayav927 the only kind of parent you can tell is a bad one from the outside, is one that is openly abusive in public. Bc if theyre willing to do it in public, who's to say how far they're willing to go behind closed doors...
I have a problem with the father talking about the insurance.
@@savannahellis8888 I’ve seen/overheard the most SHOCKING things parents have said to their children in stores😱 Besides absolutely breaking my heart for the children, ALL I can think about is what happens at home 😔😡
@@angelabeatty6538 I remember being one of those kids in stores. I know now as an adult that it's not as simple as just saying something but the way I'd desperately look around for anyone that could reassure me that this treatment was wrong is something that sticks. It's so hard seeing it now as an adult. I wish it wasn't so frowned upon to call that stuff out but people just don't take verbal abuse seriously enough and I still can't handle that kind of confrontation (thanks mom)
tldr; I wish it shocked me but I know all too well 😕
As an aunt to an autistic boy,his parent mishandled literally every single thing they could with his patterns and behavior. Understanding autism and how it affects every little thing in behavior is incredibly important. I am heart broken for Harley 😭
True. They should have had help though
You can’t get help if you don’t seek it. It felt like to me that she didn’t understand his needs at all but pulled the ‘I have a special needs kid with a lot of issues and I’m doing it all’ card when needed
@Miksmissus he saw the same counselor for years.
You say as an aunt to an autistic child.ll I do not have an autistic child ither, but you were judging these people and I want to know how much do you help with their autistic child? a lot of people can stand on the outside and make comments about a parents behavior, but unless they're in that situation theirselves they should not be making comments about how a parents handles another child, like she said he had routines and he had things that he did that worked for them, yes I do believe that she lacked in some of her parental judgments but we all do, and hindsight is 20/20 as parents we try to do what we can for our children and no matter how much we give them it's never enough we can never do everything the want or expect for them then people judge you for overindulging them, and they in turn come out entitled, as child myself, my parents done fine by me, but I was still critical of everything because we all feel we DESERVE more, more things our parents can't give us but it's not their fault they try, yeah some are lousy parents and they don't try don't be in their children's lives, but PLEASE do not judge a parent when you have no idea what they're going through and what their life is like, there is certain situations that we might not understand they're going through like economic situations there's certain things in life that get in the way of being a perfect parent and he was not autistic he had Asperger's which is different you have to treat every child different, but I seriously want to know how much help do you give your autistic nephew or niece? If you are, thank you and GOD BLESS parents who TRY!
@@milenekierastandridge667holy run on, I can't
My oldest has autism, and it is my biggest fear that people will not understand him and mistreat him. Too many have labeled him as a difficult child without even attempting to understand him. It breaks my heart.
i don't have ASD but i do have ADHD, and i can tell you that unfortunately he will be misunderstood by neurotypicals his whole life, likely. however, your belief in him and help that you can extend to him will make all of the difference. you have the privilege to prepare him for the outside world and how to better understand himself as well. research and compassion from loved ones will be a key factor in his success in life. good job on acknowledgement and concern for your child, sounds like you're doing a great job already.
Don’t worry too much mama… there are good people out there and he might just surprise you with the life he builds!
I’m with ya❤🥹
My only sibling is my older brother, who is autistic. Harley reminded me of so many of the good and bad times of growing up with my brother. Melt downs, not understanding him, guilt for what he experienced with bullies. However, I wanted to say he’s 32 now, gainfully employed in IT, & just bought a condo! He was renting a place by himself for years before as well. He loves to paint minis, watch UA-cam, & play video games. He is very in his own world, but I wanted to share his current success story! None of us knew what his future held just the same as anyone else :)
He also is beloved by his coworkers. I was a server at a local ‘hip’ restaurant. Some of his coworkers happened to be regulars of mine, they were so excited to hear who I was the sister to, because they loved him! Such a mysterious character obviously, but I could tell there was genuine care from them for my brother. I toured his IT office and he told me about the people he liked… and also who made annoying sounds all the time that drove him wild 😂 I said you should try talking to them
As someone who has lost a child, the mum’s statement after the loss of Harley makes total sense to me…The ups and downs of the mind when experiencing grief…This is how it is…Your mind is a confusing mess.
RIP Harley 😢❤️
Did you find your child?
I'm so sorry. I can't say how anyone should respond to this kind of situation. I really am not sure how I would react. Normally is a crisis or emergency, I remain calm and collect information. I haven't ever had either of my kids missing, I know I would be absolutely devastated.
@@domrobinson1245 Yeah, hiding behind the bins….Oh were you expecting to hurt me with that question 😂
@@lisapaxford7973I'm sorry for your loss 💕
@@lisapaxford7973 I’m so so very sorry for your loss. I have two sons on the spectrum, Aidan is 21 and Matthew is 15. They are the absolute lights of my life. I stay single because I now just enjoy the company of my three boys (I also have a 137lb Great Pyrenees and he is an inside dog😂) but all three of my boys bring me so much joy, that’s all I need🥰 And that’s why I truly cannot imagine losing one of my sons🥺😖 You have my deepest condolences for your loss and I pray you’ve been able to heal and find some peace🧎♀️🧎♀️👼🏼💞💞
Being diagnosed Aspergers myself, this case is absolutely heartbreaking. Everyone failed that boy so badly.
A friend's daughter is Aspergers, too. She's an adult now, but she was a pistol, growing up. Highly intelligent, very pretty, and completely unfiltered. Kinda drove her folks nuts until they got a diagnosis. I loved having her around when they came to visit. So smart, so random, and so witty.
Yes they did, your so right had he had a stable home life things would have been so different.
I work with a college that has Asperger’s & he is incredibly gifted, intelligent & a genius at computer tasks that no one can equal.
Yes he doesn’t majority of the time pick up on social cues & always states things as they are without diplomacy sometimes but I think most of the team love that about him & understand it’s just how it is because of Asperger’s. He is real, funny & incapable of not being honest regardless of who it offends. I consider him a good friend & college & have learnt a lot from him.
I wish you all the happiness in the world.
Yes. It’s so sad.
When were you diagnosed if you don't mind me asking?
@@saraha7006 Absolutely. I'm in my 30s just figuring out that I'm autistic (and ADHD) in my 30s and I believed that a stable home would've done wonders for me even without being diagnosed. It's hard enough out there for us and not having stability at home is hard on any kid, the combination has been rough even still.
Your colleague sounds a lot like some of the few friends I made growing up. So many others just don't give us the grace that we need with social misunderstandings.
I'm sure you've realized that he needs things said directly but I'll say this just in case - please just be direct. So much frustration comes from what feels like being expected to read minds for people on the spectrum.
I lived nearby when this happened. There were more details... The couch being burned at the dump by his father and Harley's mother getting rid of bags of his clothing, the fact that the father had the combo to the real estate lock on the house Harley was found in, no fireplace dust found in Harley's lungs, the family connection to the chief, his clothes in the chimney with no room to breathe, new drywall and tools in the house, the way the family/mother acted, and so much more...
Sacrafice
That is a big change in this story people here are feeling sad for the family no this changes everything fo me they have done it for sure RIP HARVEY ✨🕊️✨🕊️✨🕊️✨🕊️✨🕊️
@brandee3853 what makes you think that? I would like to know.
@@stormyvanhoose7507 many are still sacraficed to other Gods, people think that it dont go on but it does, theres nothing new under the sun and many children are sacrificed to baal. Police chiefs are connected to the occult. Everything about this story screams occult sacrafice. Satanic ritual abuse happens on the daily
@@dawnegan3984 Also, they were saying that his chest was crushed. Some were saying his injuries were consistent with the way care workers have restrained difficult patients in the past. It is a hold they use, where the legs and arms are wrapped tightly around an uncontrollable person, while sitting sort of Indian style, to restrain them. The hold has been outlawed since several people have been killed by it. There were also reports of Harley saying that he was previously put in a hold by one of his parents and he was struggling to breathe.
I really enjoy the longer videos. You are so dedicated, and that is extremely appreciated
Right! A Facebook video of a different case led me to her and the way she put together all of the information with real footage and glimpses of the people behind these cases are simply amazing!
Autistic adult here! First, I really appreciate you covering this story and doing so with tact and compassion. So often I hear non-autistic folks, particularly parents of an autistic child, sympathize with parents who murder their autistic children. It's sickening. Your focus on Harley and describing his behavior in a non-deeming or condescending way is truly refreshing and felt emotionally validating to me personally since I share many of the traits you described in Harley. 🖤 Side note: Asperger's is no longer a diagnosis in the most current DSM-5 because it's inaccurate. We are not definitively less or more autistic - our support needs fluctuate over our lifetime whether we are or are not non-speaking. Right now, for example, I have lower support needs in some areas of my life than I did 10 years ago but higher support needs in others. To me, autistic and neurodivergent folks in general exist on a continuum vs. a spectrum.
I have young adult relative who was diagnosed relatively late in life though I had known he was on the spectrum from early childhood. I can remember the exact moment I realised it with certainty. We had a teacher training day at the school where I worked and a woman from the Autism Support Service led the training. She described my little relative to a tee. I'm not keen on labels and little one's mum and I decided not to pursue a formal diagnosis. We had accumulated enough of other stuff, including 'developmental delay', 'learning difficulties' and diabetes type 1 to successfully get a 'Statement of Special Educational Needs' and we weren't keen on another diagnosis creeping out of the woodwork. We thought and still do think autism is a different way of being, but one that's perfectly valid and OK. If we expand the parameters of 'normal' fewer people fall outside it. Well time passed. It was tacitly acknowledged in the family and at school and by the various NHS services that we interacted with that young one was on the spectrum and he got the help and understanding he needed. But then things weren't so rosy. In his late teens he had difficulties in a complex and toxic relationship that he was both obsessed by but couldn't deal with and he made a serious suicide attempt. So, next stop, family doctor, mental health crisis team, psychiatrist who spoke with young one for about twenty minutes and then asked me if anyone had ever mentioned a possible diagnosis of autism. I said I had been sure he was on the spectrum since his early childhood and I had thought Asperger Syndrome maybe. He said ASD would be a preferred diagnosis which fits with what you say about DSM 5. We went through a diagnostic process and it was very positive. No learning difficulties (young one had always resisted that). In fact he appears to be very intelligent in his own way. But yes. Autistic Spectrum Disorder confirmed. Young one resisted that for a while too but now he considers himself an expert on it, and of course he is. I was an idealistic early years teacher with an aversion to labels. One consultant we had even suggested ADHD because small one wanted to play with the train set in his consulting room rather than acknowledge or talk to him. Well, I'm sure you know about autism and Thomas the Tank Engine! The consultant (paediatrician) wanted to prescribe Ritalin. I said no way! I've moderated my opinion about labels however. To anyone reading this, I would say that if you think your child is possibly on the spectrum, do talk to your family doctor, childcare setting, nursery, or school and maybe seek a diagnosis, but then be very discerning about the help that is offered. There are many knowledgeable and experienced support services out there and many programmes (some better than others). In the end you are the expert on your own child and you hear and understand his/her unique 'voice' in whatever way it is expressed Children are said to have a hundred languages, eg words, sign, art, music, dance, and that's just five. My young one is a generally calm and peaceable soul unless something really upsets him, like his computer playing up. We have a computer graveyard in the spare bedroom - cause of death, blunt force injury. Some children/adults with this diagnosis are not so steady emotionally, so there is no one size fits all, and life with any child/young person, autistic or not, has it's moments. I do agree that needs fluctuate over a life span.
I'm autistic, this was nice to see. Kudos to you my acoustic bro
Interesting point, spectrum vs continuum. I would think both would apply…to everyone.
i was gonna say that aspergers isnt a diagnostic anymore
as a behavioral therapist, this breaks my heart! And I’ve only gotten through the first 10 minutes…. 😢 that baby didn’t get the help that he needed..
Thank you for your work. My degree is in ABA, but working as a therapist is too much for me to handle. I'm on the research track. Thank you for doing the hard work. It is so needed (and much too hard for me). 💛💛
No he definitely didn’t . My son is four with severe adhd. He has an IEP, a sitter with a psych degree and child education degree and does therapy with a BC every week sometimes more. He’s also on meds now that’s he’s four since his adhd is so severe and he’s doing much better now. He was kicked outta two daycares and had a really hard time from age 3-4 until the meds . Harley reminds me a lot of my son. Clearly he wasn’t getting the help he needed or the direction and discipline he needed. I always am so afraid how my son will turn out but do my best to avoid from
The worst from happening. The mom talked about all these diagnoses but didn’t mention any help he was receiving.
One of my friends brothers was found dead in a chimney as well. They still have no idea how he got there to this day. Happened over 10 years ago. So sad
😢
As a mom of an autistic son who tragically passed on March 22, 2023 of a heart attack, I believe the family(mainly the mother) knows more than they're are saying. I fell to the ground when I found out and she does not seem to have that maternal passion I believe she should have, if you have the hope that your little boy is still alive, just my opinion.
So sorry for your loss.
I agree, she's saying she can't remember but remembers stuff about swearing at him with a phone etc. And the teacher. And a girl telling him to kick someone.
It should just of been all about him and nothing about her and cost of phones etc xxx
I am so sorry for your loss! I have 3 children and I know when they are sad or going through a difficult time. I called my 30 yr old and asked him what was wrong because I felt a disturbance in the force. He had just had a major win in his life and I knew something was wrong before he could tell me. Ita a mothers instinct to know before they talk.
I have a disabled child and her and I are even closer. So i cant imagine going 41 hrs and not knowing something is wrong
I’m so sorry for your loss. 😢❤
im so very sorry
She let her other child “beat the sh*t” out of him regularly, that was the first red flag that let me know this woman is not only a POS, but doesn’t care about her son. But the biggest red flag that shows her love for herself is the narcissistic post she made, where she talks about how hard life is when everyone is rightfully judging her, and only mentions worry about her son at the end.
The way that darling boy died literally made me cry. No word of a lie. Heartbreaking!
My heart hurts for this sweet boy. He was just doing his best.
So sad
Well said. 😢 Heartbreaking. He seems like he was a really sweet, intelligent and fun kid. He deserves so much better than he got, that’s for sure!
I couldn't imagine the moment when he realized he wouldn't make it out...how horrible. So young. Previously in the video, it was stated that the mom had memory issues due to an illness and being in a coma. Could that be the reason why she said she text her son, forgetting that he broke it and didn't have it.
That's my thoughts, he was alone somewhere stuck in the dark. Poor boy, how scary
Unless he was killed and put in there.
Why would the father talk about getting insurance on him.
I don’t believe for a second that he went in there on his own
Well damn I hadn't even thought about that yet. This is just heartbreaking
Ok. After reading these comments, I had better finish this. Because people are talking about it wasn't an accident so now I'm like damn it
That boy honestly never stood a chance. This story breaks my heart.
As an autistic individual myself, I feel for Harley so much. Being autistic, being neurodivergent in general, it is so insanely hard to feel understood in the world, especially by your own parents who may struggle with their own mental health. I am really thankful he was able to make UA-cam videos to help get things off his chest. He honestly seemed like such a sweet kid who just felt extremely unheard and misunderstood. It does kind of feel like his parents, especially his mom, didn't quite know how to support him in regards to him being autistic, especially in his meltdowns and that is understandable, as they vary from person to person and it is hard to know what may trigger them. It seems like she tried to support him, but at the same time, locking him out of the house at one point makes me lose a bit of confidence in how she supported him. I don't know the full story or what ultimately led to how things ended, but I hope the family is healing and coping the best they can. I wish them all the best, and I also hope Harley is doing well wherever he may be now. Rest in peace to Harley.
Well then if you are saying Autistic gentle people who bite their own wrists when angry, are sociopaths who will kill over video games…. I think not!!!
These people are just sociopaths!!!!
I have the same feelings...my stepdad was terrible and would do things he knew would antagonize and exacerbate meltdowns, and my mother was a doctor and almost never home. I didn't have a diagnosis as a kid (just ADD, in the early 90s as a little girl), so a lot of things I struggled with like sensory issues, executive dysfunction and overstimulation weren't things that my stepdad cared to deal with because he decided I was just "being difficult and lazy." Thinking about what it must've been like for Harley feels like a punch in the stomach, and I don't believe for a second that his sister was the only member of that family that harmed him. Taking away his only manner of meaningfully connecting with other people and locking him out of the house just feels so cruel and intentionally antagonistic...this whole case is devastating. I hope wherever he is now he feels safe and understood, because I don't think he ever got to feel that way in life 😢
@@rebeccasteinke4357 I have q question re trying to help my adult son. Is there anyway to respond privately? thx
I think those UA-cam videos are priceless memories. Rest in Peace Harley.
I felt like mom used his labels when she needed them but didn’t really do what was needed to support his needs, if she even truly understood them at all
I currently reside only 15 minutes from where Harley was born & raised! This case still breaks my heart & soul! 😭🙏🏻💔
Thank you @annieelise for taking the time to mention all of the important details in this story! It means so much to the local community & residents who held their breath from the moment we heard this young man was missing! His legacy will forever bring awareness to the importance of how every single second since a child goes missing is crucial!!! Your voice makes the difference!! ❤️
This poor young man. I wish there could have been someone in his life to better care for him. This breaks my heart.
This happened an hour away from me and his mom is soooo guilty. Good thing she knew the police chief and also… she’s a terrible parent. She didn’t care if harley was sick or was locked outside for hours
Have you considered the fact that Harvey had behavioral issue and could very well have lied about being locked out of the house?
There’s surveillance footage of him going to school, he wasn’t locked out.
As a mother of a now 20 yr old with ADHD, ODD, and has been diagnosed as schizoaffective disorder. I can't express how many times this family could have been mine.. There is no hand book, or even much support on these mental health issues early on. As a parent you do your best. I can't say I would have done what these parents did, as far as waiting. But I'm sure a lot of people would have done things differently than what we did in our circumstances. My heart goes out to this Mother and family.
You’d let your kid be missing 2 days because they have a mental disability without reporting?? Should be the opposite. This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard
@MissGrayxxx no one’s judging you for parenting a a child with special needs. People do judge when you let them be missing for two days cus your tired of dealing with them
@@SarahL9568until you have lived in their circumstances, it is better not to judge.
@@hollybean790 FIRST OF ALL I SAID I WOULDN'T HAVE WAITED AS LONG. 2ND You may feel it's dumb stupid, whatever but nobody deserves this! And people can point their fingers, and say this is stupid that is ridiculous. If you have no idea what these mental illnesses do to our children, to your family, and to your own mental health. Then I pray you never have to go through it. Because I wish I had an ounce of the support and information we do now, compared to back then. So I understand if it worked for their family it worked for them. It doesn't matter how you or I look at it. In the End, a boy lost is life tragically and a family lost a part of themselves. No one honestly knows what they would do in these types of situations till they're in it. We can all sit here and say I would do this and that. And for everyone's case I pray that it is, but these types of mental health issues were a whole different ball game.
@@hollybean790 sometimes its better to judge. How else are we going to hold people to certain standards?! And I’m sorry based off this video I’m not positive the family is completely innocent
This poor boy needed support. He needed someone to help to teach him how to regulate his emotions. He deserves more.
Parents were too busy working it seems. Sad. The saddest part of it all was he only felt like he could trust his Principal. He must’ve been really lonely.
Only time and personal negative experiences help change behaviours of oppositional children. They do not look to others, especially adults with authority, for guidance. Even the school (vice?) principal was seen as helpful ONLY because Harley could use him to "fact check" his mom's disciplinary threats.
Until you've walked in her shoes, you haven't a clue.
@@myswanktrendz Explain her not even looking for her son till the next day? He’s a child, the fact they didn’t look for him for that long is inexcusable, I don’t care what behaviour issues he had.
@@DresdenShuffleThis!!!
@@DresdenShuffle it was normal for their family. He was a troubled teen and they were used to this behavior. Just because she wasn’t the best parent and had mental health issues of her own doesn’t mean she killed her son.
This story got to me. I worked at a school which specializes in teaching and helping severely autistic children and it breaks my heart to think of him alone and scared. I loved how you covered this and really explained Harleys personality and his struggles, as well as, the family’s. I think there would be much more evidence if the parents were involved. Someone would have seen or heard someone putting him in there. Thank you for the care you took in this case. You do beautiful work.
Yes he was smart enough to climb on the roof that no one seen. I don't believe that he didn't realize that the chimney was too small. Sad❤❤
And that may truly be the case it really is awful
This is the most combed over and researched versions of this story Ive heard. Thank you for working so hard to give us all the information!❤
Have you watched Anna Eliss's version...her take on it had me in tears.
You can tell he’s advanced for his age, he speaks on his feelings better than I can as a grown adult. 😢
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Agreed. I don't like how therapists are quick to label kids, diagnosing him with defiance personality disorder.. maybe it's parenting style, maybe it's a lot of different things, even diet and poor sleep patterns can make someone more frustrated and unable to manage their feelings, it can happen to adults, let alone children. He even mentioned in one of the videos how he had not eaten all day. I know I can get hangry.
I saw with my niece how each therapist she went to gave her a different diagnosis.. I believe they need to get the whole family in on therapy for it to actually help.
High speech does not mean high functioning. Many autistics are verbally advanced but actually their understanding is far lower. Many have no danger awareness. The police interview she said he had been given her phone.
If a dead body was pushed down a hole that small he would not have been found in the position he was in. Think about it.
I think his coat may have dragged up around him as he went down that chimney,
I would like to know if the house he lives in has an open fireplace.
I believe this was a tragic accident being autistic and having an autistic child I understand now the things I would do when younger that could have ended very differently especially if angry about what I would feel an injustice ie punishment.
He’s not advanced, you’re just behind.
@@merncat3384think it's a form of blaming the victim. Harley didn't stand much of a chance in that family. He didn't deprive his parents of their phone and other media/technology, lock them out of their house, indulge in a spot of elder abuse under the guise of granny sitting, deprive them of food, and so on. But they did all that to him. Big imbalance of power. They accumulated multiple dubious diagnoses to exonerate themselves and re-invent themselves as long suffering parents. Clinicians get much of their information when assessing and diagnosing a child from the parents. I think Harley was an abused child and too many people appear to have looked the other way and not engaged brain and common sense over diagnosis awe.
i’m only a few minutes in but he is such a bright kid. watching his vlogs shows how smart and mature he seems so be. it breaks my heart hearing him say he’s just trying to keep it together. “if you knew what was going on in my life” man that really got me for some reason 14:14
also i don’t trust parent who post about their KIDS negatively on social media. always rubs me the wrong way. some stuff needs to stay private imo
Exactly!
I don't want to be cruel, but there are so many family dynamics that come to light in some of these stories, I'm so thankful I got the great parents/family I did.
Absolutely heartbreaking. I cant imagine how he felt. Horrible way to go, maybe the worst, and all alone.
I’m obsessed with your channel! I’m sorry but not seeing my child for 40 hours? That’s crazy. That poor boy. This is so heartbreaking.😢
That’s exactly what I was thinking it infuriates me my son is kn the high functioning autism spectrum and grown and I wouldn’t let 8 hours pass for any of my children not knowing there whereabouts
Right what the eff
Annie - you are SO incredibly well spoken. The way you address sensitive subject matter in such a considerate, respectful, and eloquent way is both impressive and inspiring. You are an absolute class act 💜
I love these long videos.
They gets me through long shifts, early mornings, (when I'm the only one up) and while I'm cooking or cleaning. Thank you for all you do Annie. It's definitely appreciated! ❤
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I came here to second that. I listen to her through all of the same things. 😅 It makes work, cooking and life’s little tasks so much more enjoyable.
Same!! Currently at work listening now ❤
In her interview she says this is not him for to run away but then she says on her posts that they didn't call the police right away cuz that was normal for him to stay away for a night or 2
good catch casey! I didn't notice that
I know this will sound bad and judgemental but this is my opinion. As others have expressed how horrible the parents must feel losing their son, I really don't care about them. I only care about Harley dying alone freezing in a compressed state. Imagine how he felt, what he tried to do to get out, the cries for help nobody heard, feeling unloved, giving up while struggling to take his last breath 😔 Hopefully he passed quickly.
As a momma with a special needs boy, I cannot imagine how I would act. Truly heartbreaking story. I don’t want to judge anyone’s home bc I’m not there living in it. It did fell like the mother continued to make excuses instead of providing helpful information.
Not to mention NOT LOOKING FOR A CHILD WITH SPECIAL NEEDS FOR OVER 24 HOURS
Judging is normal when someone is acting like a piece of shit. It’s pretty easy look for your kid, but she obviously didn’t care
I think this story is exactly how it played out. The kid didn’t want to go to school and decided to get into the vacant house across the street to hide out until it was time to come home. If he didn’t have fear of heights it might have been quite the adventure to climb the tv antenna tower and jump into the chimney like Santa. It was near Christmas and stories of Santa would have been on the mind. Even if you don’t believe in Santa. What a tragedy this story is though. I can’t even think about the suffocation.
I totally agree. I think it was some kind of miscalculated unfortunate accident. The mother clearly suffers from some kind of depression,. Depression can manifest in the weirdest ways. Most people won't make good, attentive parents when they're in the throes of a depressive episode, so I'm not gonna say they "neglected" Harvey on purpose. On top of that, life didn't really deal the mother a good hand. They had the difficult older sister who they kicked out, Harvey's neurodivergent, and they're raising their grandchild like their own child! That is a lot to deal with. The dad probably was just trying his best to go to work and hold it together to support the family.
I feel so heartbroken sick and extremely sad hearing this story this is an absolutely awful thing for him. Kids do not have the mature thought process and I agree he probably thought he would hide out and go in through the chimney get into the house and then go out through the door or something. Thinking like Santa, Mary poppins or a million other silly fantastical cartoons or tv shows that depict kids doing these things. Kids can think they’re invincible. I’m sure we’ve all tried to jump off a tree stump thinking we could “fly” or broken a bone or jumped our bike off a ramp before we got more common sense as adults.
Sweet Harley. I feel so sad for him and I believe this was an awful misfortunate accident.
@@nonsequiturillogicality, his name was HARLEY, not Harvey.
Ohhh ok this the story where he was literally across street stuck in chimney I can’t believe they didn’t search bettrr
@@Arizona_lilly So, you think when search crews go out they enter every home and bash down the walls and chimneys? That would be quite the disaster since kids go missing at an alarming rate.
I’m honestly just shocked that they EVER found him. They went above and beyond.
I’m so happy you said something about the text message that was supposedly sent to Harley because that was the biggest red flag to me. I feel like they should’ve investigated further into his parents because that was obviously a blatant lie OR she knew there was no phone so he wouldn’t receive it anyway. It seems as if no one questioned that statement, almost like she never said it…that was definitely a slip up
Not meaning for this to come across as arguing. Didn't she mention something in her interview about Harley breaking her old phone but they thought he still had his old phone so they didn't stress over getting it fixed?
i thought mom said they had insurance… as in not stressing about getting the phone fixed, but his chromebook also was broken that week
I’m SHOCKED he was left outside clearly in the cold… and no one is home. Wow.
I guess it would be a little less insane if she was there to check on her AUTISTIC 12 YEAR OLD SON but still crazy
This case is extremely important to me. Thank you for giving it the respect it deserves. I’m heart broken about Harley dying alone the way he did after a life of pain and suffering. Unacceptable
I’ve seen many people cover this case, but rarely do they go into detail about the actual human being who was known as Harley Dilly. He was loved and he will be missed by all who loved him.
Thank you for your diligent work and for your respect for the real people involved in these tragic events.
Like a mom who locked her 14 year old son outside for hours really cared about him! Plenty of crocodile tears!
I’ve been one of the folks asking you to do this story for the last couple of years in the comments! I’m so stoked!!! THANK YOU!! Justice for Harley!
If you want a really good insight into this Case Truth 4 reality does a really good coverage
I’m glad that you commented on the text to his broken phone b/c that immediately made me perk up and think, “wait, what? I thought his phone was broken.” when you were reading the mom’s statement.
His phone was smashed but he was using his mum's old phone. She explains that in the police interview.
No it was her phone he broke his was already broken thing is all that lovy dovy trash the mother talked about I didn't see any of that when she told about her son's life before the accident sound like she resented all the time she had to spend with him
I have a son with problems and I know how stressful it is at times my daughter is fine but my son have problems I find myself comparing them all the time I could leave my daughter to play while I do something else but even though my son was older I could not leave him so I understand how she feel but be honest I for one sympathize with honest people I turn off if I find out you are trying to pull the wool over my face😮
My youngest son is ASD ADHD ODD, and he definitely does some things that I would never imagine he would do. RIP beautiful boy, I hope you are happy wherever you may now be. 💜
What is ODD?
Oppositional defiance disorder
I really like this 10-life podcast. The content so far isn't regurgitated cases that have been done by many others before.Thank you Annie for the hard work and quality of content.
I hope people learn the following from this:
1) Treat every goodbye like it's the last.
2) Don't leave your child to walk to school/friends/etc, regardless of distance, gender or age.
3) Make your home THEIR safe space. Additionally, don't taint or invade their safe space.
Especially a special needs kid
I’ll die from anxiety in one week of treating every goodbye like it’s the last. Agree on the other two points though
@@AnnaTodorova_pianoI think it means like appreciate everything as it happens rather in regret 🙏
@AnnaTodorova_piano I mean, don't leave things unsaid or on bad terms. You aren't promised a next time, and the last thing you said will haunt you when you realize that was the last thing they heard you say to them.
4) Don't murder your children if they're too difficult for you to take care of.
Annie thank you for such a detailed and classy way of telling the story of this precious 14 year old boy. I lost my 29 year old and as the Chief said there are no words to describe the pain of losing a child regardless of age.
I was discussing this case with my grown daughter, who was diagnosed with Asperger's when she was 9 years old. One thing for certain is that in spite of being highly intelligent she is very YOUNG for her age, chronologically she's 25 but mentally she's more like 15. It's an odd juxtaposition with her high intelligence. I had trouble understanding how when I told her something horrible like someone getting hurt in some way she would laugh and that bothered me so I asked her what was up with that. She told me that when she visualizes things she always imagines them as cartoons, and everything has what she calls "cartoon physics". She's quite the animator and illustrator because her imagination works that way, but she told me it's quite possible this boy's brain told him that chimneys might work the way they do for Santa Clause or the way it works in that Grinch cartoon and it probably wouldn't occur to him until it was far too late that just because he got his feet or head in didn't mean the rest of him would fit. So his getting into the chimney isn't something that would be that odd. The clothes, though, that is what is baffling. Perhaps he thought if he threw the clothes out someone would figure out where he was, but I can't even imagine how he managed to get them off in the first place. Just the thought of that poor boy stuck in that chimney makes me ill.
This makes sense, thanks for sharing.
My adult child with Asperger's is very similar to your daughter
I'm new to your channel, and holy cow do i love it. I love the detail you put into the people, I love that you let his videos play and don't chop it up. You let his essence live while telling his story, and i appreciate that.
Listening to him talk about his day and his feelings.. he didn't sound challenged. He sounded like a rational kid describing a horrible parent quite eloquently. He was beat, bested and bullied into being idiosyncratic. God rest Harley's soul🙏🏽❤️ edit: "He has PTSD from his sister beating him with a belt when he was two". Noooo, he has PTSD from being raised by Heather. Ashley is a testament to your tragic style of parenting. Harley's demise happened under your non-watchful eye, Heather. His life and death is on you. Mistreated as a baby he was left with trauma and behavioral issues resulted. Parents throw the word autism and Asperger's around like they had nothing to do with his issues. Maybe he would've behaved "normally" if raised with love, common sense and respect. Asperger's in the family. YOU affect their behavior. There are no issues with nephew.. Because his mother's not an idiot like Heather. In fact, he attends a regular school because you can make or break mind. When special raises special you get special.
It's interesting that you say that. I was struck by the seemingly large circle of friends Harley was said to have had because relating to others on that scale is not so typical of autism. All the impromptu overnight stays when he is supposedly rigid in his routines and what he likes to eat? Autistic children and adults are more likely to be solitary with few or no friends, though everyone is individual. Also, reactive attachment disorder (a response to parental issues with attachment to the child) can masquerade as autism. (Attachment = love). I would go more with that. I think letting his sister hurt him and then almost proudly claiming a diagnosis of PTSD to add to his woes speaks volumes. She was clearly a troubled child herself and not a fit babysitter. Oppositional Defiance Disorder? All I caught in Harley's heartbreaking video was hurt, sadness and despair.
I agree with everything you said except for why Ashley had a drug problem. We have six children. One of them became a drug addict. Nothing we did or didn't do changed that. Both of us have relatives who abused drugs and alcohol. The majority didn't, but a few did. There was no violence or bad parenting in our home. Heather and her husband's parenting may have had something to do with the violence, I don't know, but not necessarily the drug problem. We never would have allowed our child with drug and alcohol issues harm our other children. Thankfully, our child who had the problems is clean and sober now. Having a child with drug and alcohol issues isn't something I'd wish on anyone.
Anyone that can cry on selfie video is a psychopath
@@mariaorourke5236 Oppositional Defiance Disorder? That diagnosis always seems to me like a diagnosis for a powerless kid resisting unfair treatment.
@@MKCarol-ms7lg No dude, I know in at least some cases it is not that. My little brother has Op defiance disorder. It's been brutal for my dad to handle. My brother was walking by the TV one night, when my dad asked him to pick up his shoes and take them with him. He threw a huge fit about it and did NOT pick up the damn shoes. My husband and I have tried to bring him to our house over the years and help him, and THANK GOD he is seeming to get better as time goes on. But those first few years were really hard because he defies us and lies about so many silly things, for no reason at all. It's not even things you would get in trouble for, it seems to be for fun, or simply just defiance for the sake of it
This case literally broke our heart.
That poor baby! I know he’s a teenager, but just thinking about him being alone in that chimney. The despair he must have felt is just devastating.
OMG, how horrifying! I can't imagine how scared that poor boy must've been. To think that these things actually happen to people is so scary. 😢😭
Harley's videos broke my heart. He deserved so much better. Rest in peace sweet boy ❤
He seemed like the sweetest boy!! And he was so happy & proud he got to 100 subscribers. Rest in peace sweet Harley!!
I'm semi new to your channel, but I really have to commend you on your thoroughness in research for every, single case you write about/present. Absolutely the best written, the most in-depth coverage of any true crime channel on YT. Very well done, miss.
I completely agree with you, and this is why this is my absolute favorite channel. She really gives you the information for cases that many don’t mention or fail to report. And her compassion for victims is admirable.
She's great
There’s definitely something off with the mother! It boils my blood when parents write posts like that about their kid’s behaviour 🤬
I agree. She put her kid on blast on social media. Pathetic.
Also, I feel like it’s off her oldest daughter was troubled as well. I wonder if that speaks about that mother’s parenting…. I know Harley had disorders, but some of those disorders can be spurred by trauma .
I feel like something is off too!
She is disabled too. Just doing her best
@simplybirdie6481 It's disability. Often, siblings have variants of the same disease. This family seems odd because no one is talking about the spectrum
As an autistic person myself I understand parents posting about their kids behavior… sometimes parents just don’t know what to do or have the resources. They post hoping for help because they want to know what to do not to embarrass their child… sometimes you’re just overwhelmed and don’t know what else to do
Both parents eyes look pinned on one of the pictures, maybe they were addicted to painkillers.
My youngest has aspergers.. i took classes and he and i both did therapy starting when he was little.. socialization therapy and parent involvement is vital! Bless his heart❤
He is calm, not over reacting, stating what happened. This is so sad !!!! Wth
Yeah his mom definitely seems to have more trouble controlling her emotions than he does
@@ellieblack8028 the mom is so self focused I’m surprised she knows she has children
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@@Taluta394I don’t think she could handle him. Him being found with out clothes on don’t make sense to me. I think moms post are just to make her seem not so bad
I'm 32 and still live with my family. When I didn't come home at night my dad for sure, would text and call me because he's worried of his daughter!! RIP Harley, he didn't deserve this. What a bright young boy.
Same and I’m 37!
I always tell my family when I leave they shouldn’t worry unless they hear from me.
love the longer content! and everything you produce for us!❤︎
You're the best!
Absolutely ! We know it takes a lot of time - Hugh Thank You & Merci from 🇺🇸🇫🇷🇺🇸🌻
Thank you so much for covering this. I’m from the area and was really hoping someone dive in deep, because things do not add up.
I was just listening to a news story about a young boy who is autistic and was being beaten and starved by his family but thankfully escaped and a neighbor helped him. Even his older brother was punching on him. Not sure if you've heard about that case but I'm hoping more information will come out soon.
That is so sad 😞
@@heezypeasy8611 so very sad. Fortunately, this boy survived when so many don't. Though, he does have a long road ahead.
Wow😢 I'm glad he got out and I hope he gets the love and care he need for the trauma❤
@@darladawn1111 Poor little guy
Is this the one where they thought it was like a 5 or 6 year old boy and come to find out he's like 10 and extremely malnourished? Asking the neighbors to not tell his parents where he is? Ive been waiting for updates on it.
Grief is a weird thing, and what a lot of people don’t understand is you do sometimes feel angry at the person who died. And you are allowed to be mad at them, it’s a part of healing. I truly hope this family is left alone by the public so they can heal.
It’s hard to not judge the parents about not responding faster. He was 14 years old. He doesn’t get to just spend the night at a friends house without at least calling.
He’s an Aspie. It’s different. Trust me.
@@wldncrzy1971doesn’t matter- as a parent YOU have a responsibility
THIS!!!!!
@@kahlymerin4882 agreed. But if I thought my kid was in school, I hadn’t heard differently, and he usually goes to his friend’s house after school or when he’s upset, KNOWING my kid is devoted to his routine, I’d probably just assume at FOURTEEN and not caring for people he doesn’t know so would have no reason to interact with them, that he’d be home later to shower considering it’s his routine. He was 14. Not 6.
@@kahlymerin4882 if he didn’t come home by morning-ish, I’d start worrying.
Wow, I can’t imagine laying in bed and letting my child get ready for school without conversation, breakfast, hugs, laughter...what kind of piece of work is she? I’ve only just started this video and I’m crying...
Exactly! Did he prepare his breakfast and lunch by himself?? Poor kid. he must have hed a horrible life before his tragic passing.
Your 14 year olds can’t prepare food? My 12 year old makes his own breakfast. I do it on weekends but on weekdays he knows how to cook. I have chronic illness and some days I’m bed bound but before I became sick he was learning to cook. Both my kids were at 10. Since I don’t work early hours or anything I can’t imagine not checking in though
@@HealedandThriving your situation is different. Please, no disrespect here. This person was capable.
Few thoughts: how can she text her son when he smashed phone? How could he get his clothes off inside chimney? He showered several times a day to avoid getting dirty, he also sounded smart, so why would he go down a dirty chimney? If my child was missing, I wouldn't be having my hair freshly dyed and nails done (as in one of the reporter's visits). And like others, it does sound more like she cares more about what she's missing out on ie his hugs, positive attention, etc rather than grieving her son's loss of life
it's clear she's also neurodivergent.
Stop being stuck up and judgy, maybe she was trying to make herself feel a bit better mentally. She also explained she almost died at some point and she ma's medicated to cope with depression and the shock of him missing.
@@moonstarsun5293I'm sure she is. I'm ADHD and I had someone asking me if I was ASD too, because of my trauma dumping and special interests dumping on others 😮 when I was doing it I didn't realise how weird it was to others
@@AlissaSss23 wow, me stuck up and judgy? take a look in the mirror hun. stop being a hypocrite. move on.
@@AlissaSss23 how many others did you attack for providing their opinion as is the place to do so. get a life and some manners.
As a parent of both a neurotypical child and an autistic child, I can tell you that raising them is very different. My autistic child has NO fear, is always trying to find ways out of places and likes to fit into tight places. Not saying that he jumped himself but I could see it being a possibility. I am heartbroken for this family
Yes my step son has ODD and sounds just like Harley. He's always been fearless and you have to watch him every minute
Mom of two nonverbal autistic kids (11&13) and can not fathom not knowing where my kids are AT ALL TIMES.
IMO, the mother is a terrible, apathetic mother.
@@hopeless_wanderer502 I’m the same as you, my son wears a tracker after escaping his dads house. If he didn’t have that tracker now I don’t think I could function.
One thing bugs me. In the mother's post, she said she texted him asking if he was coming home. Hadn't he broken his phone? How could she expect an answer from a broken phone?
This. Because first they were arguing over him destroying the phone but then LE told her it was destroyed? 🤔 Somethin fishy there
This was also brought up as strange in the clip
@@candicealbuquerque9981 addressed in police interview 25:40
Maybe she forgot. She's not a robot
If he's neurodivergent she might be too, there's a thing called object permanence, where you forget object or even people exist
I have never seen a news report covered as well as you have. The research you had to do was definetly an incredible, monumental feat. I live in Port Clinton & remember this horrific accident. You have touched on things I had forgotten about. Thank you for your precise & correct reporting.
annie you are serialously amazing 🥁 honestly tho, the sheer amount of content you produce is insane. I can't imagine how you have time to do all this, work another job, and be a mom!! literal superwoman 💕
My 9 year old son is on the spectrum and I've come to understand he will need me for a bit longer than if he was neurotypical. So I soak up the sweet moments with him, knowing I am lucky to have this extra time. This story broke my heart. Hugging my boy a bit more today ❤
You did a really good job in sorting through all of this. You held my interest through it all!
What a well spoken kid when he was locked out, hard to hear it ❤
As a crime junkie AND funeral home professional, it is a HUGE pet peeve of mine to automatically assume that when life insurance is mentioned they are guilty. Funerals are expensive and most people do not have thousand of dollars available at the time of death. It is NORMAL to call your insurance company and inquire as to what will be available PRIOR to going to the funeral home (which normally happens the day of or day after you know of the death) and even take your policy with you to the FH do an assignment. Also, everyone grieves differently. I have seen parents lose a child and not cry. I’m not saying one way or another for this case particularly, but food for thought.
very understandably a pet peeve 💔 funerals are $$$ more than weddings probably and just days to plan it and also pay up front... And during a time of shock & grief and unimaginable pain 💔... Some ppl are still stunned too
As someone who works in the claims department of a life insurance company, I completely agree. It is a very normal thing to call very soon after death to get the process started.
Absolutely funerals are so expensive and life insurance is necessary to cover those costs since average people don’t have 15-20k for those emergencies.
Money was raised for a funeral etc
My late parents died 1 yr and a half apart. My parents were creamated due to cost and not having money to pay. My mom creation cost $900 and my dad was free since I donated his body for science at it only cost $85 legal fee.
I am totally against life insurance as it's a root cause of murder and fraud. That's my opinion and I understand your frustrations. If you watch a lot of cold case or forensic files, you'll understand.
We have to give kids support whether they are ours or not, he was so eloquent, I’m so sorry no one could get him help or help him feel heard. His voice just gets to my heart. I wish we could help before horrible things happen.
Mom cares SO much what the public thinks of her, but didn't gaf where her child was for almost 48hrs.
Narcisst she talks about how his death “hurt her” and how strange to refer to your son as a “family member”
Thank you for covering this case, I have always wondered how this could have happened to Harley. The thought of him realizing he was stuck in there is heartbreaking. If he hadn't pushed his clothes out of that hole, we would still be wondering where he is.
Was the hole below his waist? How did he physically push the clothes out?
@@theeggtimertictic1136 His arms were up, so I think the hole was above him. His upper body clothing could have been pushed up his body as he went down the chimney. His pants and shoes could have been kicked off and pushed down if he was struggling to get his upper body free of the clothing. He may have been trying to pull himself up to the hole. All speculation of course.
I don't think he did this to himself.
@@Carmen-us1ew Of course he did it to himself. No one climbed up that ladder with his dead body and put him in the chimney. He was a 14 year old with ODD, this fits perfectly with something he would do. He didn't want to go to school so he found somewhere else he could go. He probably thought the chimney would take him into the house. Like the other comment says, his clothes were probably bunched up around his head from the tight squeeze while sliding down. If his hands were already above his head, he would have been able to pull them over his head.
I am getting very strong vibes of Susan Smith and her fake pleas for her boys to be strong and take care of each other. Your momma loves you and your daddy loves you and we will be here waiting for you. Please come home. This mama killed😢 her son. She did it, or is complicit with the person who did, maybe the mean older sister, or the dad, but she knows, or did it herself, IMHO.
The poor grandpa, i hope he is doing as ok as he can be. Heartbreaking. Life is so fragile.
I can't explain how similar Harley and my son are. Literally down to the phone issue. My son was diagnosed with severe ADHD he's got sensory processing disorder and he's being tested for aspergers and the spectrum. It's just crazy how similar they are. Video games are my son's life. If he gets his Xbox taken away he literally has a complete meltdown to where I almost had to call the police because he just can't control his emotions. Even the phone issue, he was given his sister's old iPhone and he wound up cracking the screen and the phone would not work anymore and brought it to me and told me he needed a new one , and I told him he's going to have to wait because he keeps breaking his phones and I would look into seeing how much it would cost to fix just the screen and his solution was to go to the second story of the apartment building we were living in at the time and throw it off the balcony and then let a car run over it. I was like dude...what the heck?!?! Down to The Tick-Tock videos, actions things they say. Even talk alike. It's very scary is a parent because you don't know what to do and how to help your child all the time. And at least for me, my son is getting in trouble a lot for not listening, for playing too rough for getting in people's personal space and he's not doing these things intentionally , it's just like an uncontrollable thing for him. Yeah he is the most special boy in this entire world and he is such a sweet amazing child and I could not picture life without him. This case is so sad 😢
This tragic no matter how you look at it. Everyone grieves in their own way. When my father died at just 64, my emotions were on a roller coaster. I have had moments where I picked up my phone to call my dad, months after his passing. To think that she tried to text him when he was missing, she could have tried to text him and then remembered he didn’t have a phone anymore. So many of us who do suffer with mental illness and choose to not tell anyone because there is so much stigma. None of us know what she has and is going through. To judge her without real evidence, that’s not your job. If she’s innocent, and being persecuted by everyone instead of being offered support, think about how that feels. If she is guilty, she will meet her maker one day and will have to face her punishment. Just because you can’t fathom something, doesn’t mean it’s not true. You and you. She is she. Tell me, without going through everything she has gone through, how does ANYONE even have the right to judge her words, actions, crying, behavior, etc. Just say prayers for Harley and his family. It’s super irresponsible for people to jump on “guilty” bandwagon and allow his family to not only have to grieve their loss, but constantly trying to prove your innocence and love for your child. I’m heartbroken for them.
I called my mom for like 2 years after she died. I couldn't bring myself to delete her number and I would be looking at my phone and call her and remember then hang up...eventually someone else got her number. I called them so much I had to edit her number in my contacts. Sorry about your dad. Rip Harley
So well said. But I do think that he wasn't given the care he needed as a child, much less a child with special needs.
@@americanwoman6246When my daughter’s daddy died, (my best friend, and soulmate), he had been on my phone plan and I kept his number active for almost 2 full years before i eventually cut it off. I just wanted to be able to call and hear his voicemail; I also text his number probably at least once a week like he was still here even though his sister had his phone put away at her home. Grief is such a fickle thing; we all react differently.
I wish people would have more compassion for his mother.
My brother died 8 years ago, I still have his # in my phone. Still have the cell phone with the last voice-mail he left me.
Exactly!! Some people show no emotion, some so an abundance of emotion. I'm a 911 dispatcher and I can tell you for sure, you never know how things happen, turnout, or how anyone can react.
Aww..listening to the Mom's words in her post,the Grandpa speaking,and the community coming out for support..it's making my nose all burny while my eyes get all watery.
It's not fair to judge a family for not crying enough,or not acting upset enough,or whatever! They're missing a kid..😕
My issue is that she licked him out of the house...then let he be gone for 41 he's before calling to report him missing? I'm not saying that they did anything to this poor boy, just saying that those things are awful.😭
@@jimibalsley1966 Oh,I don't disagree at all. It's despicable!! I get I don't know all the details of what went on inside that house,and I know kid on the spectrum can be difficult..but that's why the parents have to be that much more patient!! They've got to educate themselves on how to deal with and parent their children,especially when they have any sort of special needs..🤨
My son is starving after school! I cannot imagine not giving him,at least,an after-school snack(or ever locking him out of his own house)🙄. Sounded like this kid just wanted to do his homework,from that video he made.
There's no bad kids..just bad parents and/or bad parenting skills 🤨
Sounds to me like this lady,the Mom,has some serious mental health issues!!
If I wanna be a good Mom,a good role model,I've got to take care of my health.
All that being said,I still have sympathy for a fam missing a kid..😒
@@katmack4215 there're definitely bad kids, from how he was described, he needed a saint instead of a parent, and his parents should've gotten more help with him, if he had such anger issues that police was involved it had to be something huge, or maybe it's the norm in the states to call police on your son attacking his dad in a fit of rage?
@@melodi996 Exactly! 😏
HIS PARENTS should have gotten more help for him.
I agree
People should give this poor mom(parents) a break. Often times with an autistic child they say one of the parents are as well, anyone think this woman might just be on the spectrum herself. Plus her previous medical issues listed, let her grieve.
I was actually thinking that the mother herself seems to be on the spectrum.
Yes. 100%. Most of the times, one or both of the parents are on the spectrum and don’t even know that they are. She has neurotypical tendencies through her interviews and in her over-sharing. I thought she might have some bit of NPD as well, but more vulnerable versus grandiose.
did anyone else notice the grandfather speaking of him in the past tense when he was begging them to help them find him
Wow, I didn’t see this taking this direction. I can’t imagine being him. You know he screamed for help. So heartbreaking. And you know if he had a phone on him
He could have called for help 💔
This story is so tragic 💔 poor kid. I can only imagine what was going through his mind until he passed. So freaking sad. His mom must be going through it too. Rip Harley 🙏
When I think about those final moments it truly terrifies me.
@@annieelise yes me too.
@@annieelise me too
I don’t feel sympathy for the mother tbh, the kid is the one I feel the most sorry for, he literally only had his assistant principal to turn to and to trust, tells you a lot about his home life.
His mom is the reason he kept wanting to run away. She would lock him out of the house and straight up abusive. It’s her fault this happened.
I've been around ODD and ASD in my life and cannot imagine how hard it was for the parents and for Harley. I feel frustrated for everyone in this case. They all should have had way more support and access to help.
Absolutely! I have 3 children, my youngest 16 is ASD ADHD ODD. By far the ODD is the most difficult thing to deal with. As someone who considers herself quite good at resolving conflicts, negotiation and setting boundaries some days are overwhelming with the constant defiance. I cannot imagine what it would be like for parents who may struggle with some mental illness and dealing with a child with these issues.
I have 3 also both my twin girls 12 have adhd and are on the spectrum on diff ends plus one is on Homebound hospitalization Bc of anxiety and depression but the other talks to everyone
They were bad parents. Period. Letting a son be gone almost two days with no contact is absurd
The kid was doomed from the start
@@SarahL9568 yeah they were losers
I am glad you pointed out Heathers mention that she texted him to a phone that she new didn't work which shocked me when you read it! I also noticed that she talked of him in the past tense one time during her interview as did the grandfather once in his vigil speech. No good reason to not speak of him as still being alive unless you know or suspect otherwise. I think he was a smart kid and can't imagine why he would go through the difficult task of attempting to go down the chimney when he could go through a basement window to get into the house. Too many red flags when you add the insurance money comment into the mix. Just to many red flags. Time will hopefully provide answers...
It is extremely pertinent information that Annie gives at the end about the multiple other cases of people dying in chimneys. The family is extremely fortunate to have found him as quickly as they did instead of being left in limbo for a decade or for the rest of their lives. It is a tragedy that, yet again, the internet has made worse by endless speculation. I can't imagine the weight the parents carry and the whole thing is just terribly sad.