Not sure why you're comparing averages here? The 1 percent lows on R6S improved by +50fps while the average had seen a +30fps boost. 1% lows are more imortant in competitive/high fps games.
@@Beefy-Tech Beefy it would help some of us a lot if you included footage of the bios settings because i have an x670e ASUS motherboard and want to try this with the 7950x3d
Great video! The option to use faster ram is really interesting in a use with the regular 7000, especially the dual CCD chips - 7900X/7950X, the duel CCD can work with the higher bandwidth, so I think the non X3D's can uplift very nice in performance with the higher speeds
Lol right) I bought a used RAM 7200mhz just because it was at the price of a new 6400mhz, but I'll try to put it work at 6400 cl30 and lower voltage if it will be posible
Bought some 2x 16GB of DDR5 8200MHz for like 175$. maybe I can get 6400MHz 18-18-18-35?!? :o I was like: Shut up and take my money! XD p.s I am still waiting this new beast.
No, 8200MHz. My only fear is that they will not be able boot or past throw the Bios. But I payed 188$ which is dirt cheap for 32GB of 8200MHz. :0 Cheers.
It’s not about the average FPS. It’s about the 1% and 0.1% lows, which are arguably significantly more important for the smoothness of your gaming experience.
Hi, I got myself a 7200 planks, tried to put 7400 in the bios, the system started, at 7600 does not want to turn on the pc, I only put the voltage 1.425, and timings just put 50 50 50 50 120 that the system just started, but the system does not turn on, I'm just wondering. is it I do something wrong or planks do not go to 7600?
Makes sense, the main bottleneck modern CPUs have is generally memory bandwidth. Especially so on the x3d chips where there is an element of on-die latency you can't really overcome with lowered DIMM latency as you can only push the IF so much.
This is percentage differences between 6400 and 7800Mhz RAM in this video's tests: R6S: +4% CS2: +2.7% COD Warzone2: +2.4% In other words, let's say you are getting 100 fps in all of this games with 6400Mhz RAM. With 7800Mhz RAM you'll be getting 104fps in R6S, 103fps in CS2 and 102.5 fps in Warzone 2. And of course this is the absolute best case scenario bc of low resolution / low settings and very GPU-light games. In most other cases the difference is going to be even lower to non-existent.
So does this mean that it would not make sense for me to buy 2x24GB 7200mhz RAM if I'm planning to use the PC for more than just gaming? RAM with more memory instead of the 2% performance increase over 2x32GB 6400mhz RAM which would probably be faster all-round?
@@Branden2DX lower mhz can guarantee you speed & stability. it really relies on your motherboard / cpu for you to figure out if 7200mhz works. for me it’s 100% stable & I never have issues. But do keep in mind anything past 6400mhz will leave your system 1:2 & not 1:1. So it’s up to you, you can always try it. If you don’t like it return it. I’ve returned 4 sticks all different timings & speed until I got what I liked. from looking at this video, on paper “ the memory controller “ sits at 2000mhz no matter the speed or timings. how fast you can set your fclk / bclk depends on silicone lottery. If you do get 72000mhz then get CL34-42-42-84 1.4v that’s what I’m using.
Glad to see it can do it, sadly i got cl30 6000mhz as at the time every1 was talking it cant handle more. Mine works great with cl30 6000mhz since day 1.
If you bought a 6000MHz CL30 RAM kit, it's almost definitely Hynix die, which means you can easily overclock it. If you have an ASUS board with a recent BIOS, there are RAM OC profiles you can select for your particular RAM kit under DRAM settings. If you don't have an ASUS board, you have to overclock manually.
This gene plate is wonderful. I went up without any effort to 8000 cl38 with low voltages in memory 6400 cl32 xmp. Previously using 6400 cl32 and 8000mhz cl38 was consistently faster in my benchmarks. Friends in my group made fun of it saying it was a "placebo" but a month later they rushed to upgrade the memory to 8000mhz. 🤣
Hello, how do you record Warzone without losing any performance? Do you use any exptension card like Elgato or do you have the recording program set do good?
@@BenchmarkingTom you can set it up to where it hurts very little performance, but by design it's impossible to lose nothing while using the same computer to record. Maybe we AV1 advancements it'll be possible, but atm ull still lose 5-10% performance while recording on a single pc.
Would make sense to test such ram speeds with basic zen 4 not x3D parts, since x3D vcache overtakes overall need for faster ram, compared to basic zen 4 cpus without it.
I tested the ram on X3D specifically because it is an X3D cpu known to not scale with ram, and show what potential gains could be had given you can run such high frequencies.
Hello beefy, can i use 7600mhz 16x2 cl36 46 46 121 1.4v from gskill trident z on my MSI B650 Tomahawk Wifi? I only wanna use it on XMP, but i was seeing many user having trouble using more than 6000mhz on ryzen 7800X3D
Yes u can i have this kit with x3d. It goes over 8000 cr1 with soc 1.24v. U need however update to recent bios. Also the subtimings can go like from 121 to 44 or from 167 to 96 etc the refresh rate maxout to 65535 rfc from 1139 to 800 it is good kit, also teamgroup delta is nice. If u have some questions feel free to ask
@@maveric19871 thank u for ur info 😁, now I'm gonna buy that ram without worrying, I think im just gonna run on XMP, coz i dont have any experience on ram OC, im afraid for not getting into boot 😂
@@maveric19871I might pick up some delta’s today. the kit I’m looking at is rated as 7200mhz CL34-42-42-84 1.4v. what do you think I can do with those for even better latency ? I’m currently running g skill 6400mhz cl32-39-39-102 1.4v
@@silfrido1768 dunno, these deltas were in my country for 600zl it is around 140$, i bought gskill rgb 7600 cl36 1.4v for 830zl which is 200$, both are A die, on techpowerup there is a review of 7200 cl34 delta rgb. I past u a link but the comment was deleted, youtube sux nowadays, it only proves that non company should have too much power..
What's the RAM used? I recently got 48GB (24x2) of TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert CL34 7200Mhz. I haven't run any benchmarks though, so have no clue if I got any more FPS over my 6000Mhz kit. I was going to get 8000Mhz, but all the ones I found on Amazon and Newegg had slow timings, so I choose 7200Mhz instead. Also, is your kit Hynix A-die? I'm assuming it is with those timings. My specs: 7950x3D / ASRock x670e Taichi Carrara on Oct 3rd beta BIOS
Hey fam. I'm using the ddr5 7600mhz G skill kits (which is A die). This kit has terrible temperatures, but otherwise is good. I run it was a fan as a result, and it works well. The 48GB kits are great, but harder to tune or push frequency on due to added heat from the higher density of the ram sticks themselves. I think you made a good choice though, as with a propper tune you might be able to even do 7600mhz in 2:1 on that ram kit.
@@Beefy-Tech So far the teamgroup ram has been solid. It runs good at 7200 with pretty tight timings even on the sub timing. Expo doesn't boot, but manually setting everything with even tighter timing than expo it runs fine, so that is weird. I prefer manually tuning my ram anyway, so I don't really care about expo. I'm going to try out your timings and see if I can further tune things.
@@Isaiiahii gotta turn on high band width support & low latency support on. I was having the same issue on my b650 board. I’m not sure what mobo you have so the settings I mentioned could be under a different alias. I tried 3 differen’t kits & I thought all of them were bad until I turned those settings on lol. I have the same kit as you… these can be pushed further then 7400mhz using the same timings. Be advised tho…. My cpu can only handle 7400mhz with an fclk of 2133. 2167 will make your 3d v-cache very hot so be careful when setting your fclk. You might get lucky tho. For vsoc just use 1.185 For global ccdg just use 950 for both settings under “ global ccd “
@@silfrido1768 I found a video from buildzoid where he talked about running a higher motherboard voltage to the Controller for the INF on the board and you can effectively run higher clock, he did it on an Asrock board but it worked on my ASUS one as well.
Hi , I see your using revios 10, how do you like that software, does it feel safe , I'm currently using ghost spectre have you tried it , wondering if I should make the switch
For gaming only, the 7800X3D IS STILL THE UNDEFEATED. If you need your PC for Production work for your job or for school like Cad or something, then no. If, your PC is a Gaming PC = 7800X3D is your chip to get.
Good night. I have a Ryzen 7 7800x3d, do you recommend any type of overclocking? If that's possible because I don't think it's possible in this model or in the graphics I have an RTX 4070 Ti Asus Rog and 32 RAM 6000MHz CL38. I wanted to improve latency in games as much as possible but it's not easy. . ha and I have a benq 360hz. how to improve? I have a reasonable ping. I am from Portugal. a hug and I would really appreciate it if you helped me
Got my 7800X3D going, ended up going with the Asrock B650E ITX and so far its doing great, thank you for your recommendations! I see in the latest MW2 config you have 6 as the render worker count instead of the original 7, would 6 be the right pick for the 7800X3D?
Hey man, First, I want to say thanks for your great video content. I love it! Secondly, I wanted to ask why you mentioned at the beginning of the video that everyone knows the best RAM speed for the Ryzen 3DV processors is between 6000 to 6400 MHz? Can you explain that to me? I always thought the best setting for RAM was 6000 MHz. Sorry, maybe I'm lost. Can you help? Thanks again for the amazing content.
The sweetspot was initially said to be 6000mhz because that's what was max supported at the time. As of the latest bios updates, the general user can EASILY do 6200mhz 1:1 now, and even 6400mhz with a bit of work. This wasn't the case when AM5 first came out, meaning only as of late, has the sweetspot area changed for AM5. Not only that, new bioses are now capable of 7600-8000mhz when running 2:1! Amd contrary to what some what say, there are gains to be had on AM5 X3D with high frequency ram, as the bandwidth gains are huge, and the latency us the same as running lower frequency 1:1, making it the overclockers new best choice for ram speed choices on AM5!
@@Beefy-Tech Okay wow! Thank you for that detailed explanation! I have the following kit: "G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO Black DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR5-6000, CL30-38-38-96, on-die ECC with AMD Expo" installed on an MSI Carbon Wi-Fi B650, along with a Ryzen 7800X3D. Would it be feasible to increase the frequency to 6200 MHz? Thank you for your assistance.
I built a pc and didn't even realize that on amd's website the 7800x3d says it supports up to 5200mhz ram. I only looked at my motherboard specs, It's been stable so far but is this safe to run long term? my bios and everything is up to date. I'm running 2x16gb DDR5 at 6400mhz
@@XCI5ION yeah fam you are good. AMD and intel state such low "max" ram speeds to save their own ass when a very crappy chip silicon can't run normal ram speeds so they can deny warranty😂😂😂 normal running speeds are 6000-6400 for AMDs 7000 series with the infinity fabric and memory controller running at matched speeds.
I really wonder if I should buy 32gb 7800mhz cl36 or 64gb 6400mhz cl32. All those comparements are 32gb vs 32gb. I wonder more gb lower mhz vs low gb higher mhz compatition. Which one is better for my 13900KS and 4080 Super & GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS ELITE X WIFI 7 8266MHz(OC) DDR5
I do plan to go back to the 6950XT for some videos. Atm I only have the idea of trying to use 6950xt with framegen, but I'm currently working on a short video regarding framegen on the 7900XTX.
Thank you for sharing your Ram tuning, my question is Can I try it on a corsair vengeance kit ? I heard that they are A-die too I have the one that is running on 7200c34
Hello beefy, I have a 16x2 g skill z5 6000mhz cl30 1.35v kit using xmp and a 7800x3d. I have little experience with RAM OC, mainly am5, and I would like to use at least 6400mhz. Would it be safe to use this kit of mine to use on a 6400 or would getting a 6400 expo cl32 kit be a good idea too?
You could easily try 6400mhz on that kit, as the kit itself probably easily does 6400mhz with enough voltage, but you need to see if your CPU can do 6400mhz 1:1 also.
I remember when i bought my 12600k, everyone said that ram above 3200mhz was pointless, ram speed does not matter above 3200mhz... I upgraded later to 4400mhz cl16 and got 50-60fps more in warzone.. my conclusion is that, dont listen to others about ram speed. Ram speed matters, esp in newer more demanding games
it was in DDR3 or early DDR4 era when ram speed was at that time indeed not really matter in game. but in the end of DDR4 or early DDR5 era its start to matter. Sometime it depends on the games too.
@@explod329 i went from 110-120fps 1440p to an average between 150-180fps. Not sure if you have tried warzone, but its cpu bound and depends on ram and cpu speed. I can send you pictures if you like when i benchmark in mw2 from running my ram at 4100mhz cl15 g2 to 4100mhz cl15 gear one, that change is also a hughe bump in cpu fps
Hey, I recommend you use the Teamgroup 7800Mhz 32GB kit...it's easily the best one on sale. It would help your 13900K but you'd require a 2 dimm motherboard to be able to run 7800-8000mhz👍 good luck with the upgrades.
Is your FCLK actually stable? AM5 FCLK has built in error correction at the expense of performance. Running FCLK at 2133 with VSOC at 1.3v sounds insane (FCLK scales negatively with VSOC, the more voltage you pump into VSOC the more unstable your FCLK becomes). Try running y-cruncher VT3 stress test for a few hours on the 6000 config to see if you see any performance degredation. If you see odd performance drops in the stress test it means your Infinite Fabric is unstable and doing error correction.
I tried running 2167 fclk & this might explain why my pc was turning off by itself after like 20 minutes. Stock voltage was running at 1.3 vsoc. Vddg iod & ccd are both at 1000 aswell. I also tried 2200 but I ran into a hard wall. Any recommendations on getting 2167 stable ? For now I’m running 2133 & it’s really good. but when I ran it at 2167 difference in speed / latency was very good.
@@silfrido1768 ua-cam.com/video/4W3q0YzjQww/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking this video is extremely helpful for educating specifically on how a lot of FCLKs work but some motherboard topography varies. Works for AMD and intel, but only take my word for Ryzen since that what I have experience with. For most Ryzen IMCs, timings are tighter in general because most of the time you cant get 8000Mhz on Ryzen however this same youtuber made a video/stream on Ryzen 7000 series CPU, with Gigabyte aorus tachyon am5 motherboard which was really cool to see. Stable enough to run for a day but he personally said he hasnt tuned it to the daily stability he would be looking for.
@@flitai mine is tuned & I daily my ram. My ram sticks stay at 33c & it doesn’t get hotter then that lol I’m running 7400mhz cl34-42-42-77-95 1.4v Trfc1 is set to 589 trc 95 Trtp 25 Trdwr 16 Twtrl 28 Twtrs 3 Trdrdsd 2 Trdrddd 2 Twrwrdd 2 Twrwrsd 2 Tfaw 23 Tras 77
When choosing ram speeds for a 7950x3d/7800x3d, is it still a gamble if you can run more than 7000hz? Im currently running 6000 with a 7950x3d, and am seeing if its a good idea to bump it up
You need to tick 2 boxes to "Guarantee" 7000+Mhz at Command rate 2. 1. Hynix A die sticks 2. Be on BIOS Agesa 1007B or later Pretty much any system, regardless of bin, can achieve 7000-7600mhz with full custom tuning assuming its done properly
@@auzziebridger yeah true though. I just came in with the mindset that with an X670E gene I'd have guaranteed 8000mts speeds, but that wasn't the case due to CPU being the limitations. I've been running it at 7800mts since this video though and it's been great so it's fine either way, AM5 is fine regardless of ram speeds really so it's all just for fun.
Your motherboard should have a low latency & high band width support setting laying around somewhere. it’s most likely in the advanced section. i was having problems on my b650 aorus elite ac ice board before I discovered “ low latency support “ & high band width support “ settings. these are specifically for your ram performance. idk what motherboard you have so the setting that I’m referring to could be using a different alias. If you give me the name of your mobo I can see if those settings are there
@1:32 You don't need to lower the settings as some of them put a load on the CPU. Instead, you need to reduce the GPU load by reducing the resolution to 720p / 1080p.
Hi, im dont have that much experience to oc something by myself, so could I just buy 7800mts cl34 ram and just turn on xmp for my 7800x3d? Ofc i would buy mobo that supports these speeds.
The silicon on the cpu has to be able to handle that. me I was only lucky to get 7400mhz cl34. My motherboard or cpu could be the limitation I’m not really sure
6000-6400 1:1 tends to be very minimal. I used to use 6200mhz cl30 for the longest time, and upon switching to 6400mhz cl28 it was only a very very minor performance bump.
In a way yes. The bottleneck seem to have always been the AGESA before 1007b. Since then we are always able to go 6200 1:1 and 7600 1:2. Values like 6400 and 8000 can be reached but can also be considered walls that the hardware most of the time does't want to go beyond. But the official JEDEC value of AMD didn't change.
Bro, on god I'm gonna lose my mind. I got 13900kf-7800mhz but can't stabil more than 6800mhz I literally tried everything why did i bought 7800mhz unless I use them????????????
I'm running a MSI b650 Tomahawk Wifi and running ram at 7600MHz. Haven't tried 7800MHz yet. My ram kit is G.Skill Trident 6800MHz. F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK.
At c36 I was running 1.52v vdd, but to further tighten cl and primaries I went all the way to 1.6v to ensure cl34 46 46 46 92 runs without hiccups. Cl32 45 45 45 90 requires 1.7v...so I decided to stick with these timings instead xD
@@Beefy-Tech goooooopd lawwwwwd brother lol. IF I even get into custom loops I will eventually water cool my RAM and I've seen liquid metal do wonders for Zen via Matt B. His set up is a demon but I can only point to the LM being the biggest factor. RAM timings are open and it's not like he's hiding it with some crazy unattainable tune, also on Windows 11 using ReLive to capture.
Mate I would give you a big warning when you deal with team kits just to make sure it is 1million% stable since I lost 2 kits already and it wasn't showing like bsods or such errors and I ended up with dead ram sticks. The seconds kit I actually did Karhu Ycruncher Occt test and it was stable, untill I tried Ryzen Master to undervolt my 7800x3d and the probelems begin to show up and in few hours I lost the 2nd kit so I came to conclusion that these Team kits are very sensitive to Cpu voltages so becarful mate. I just got Lexar 6400 kits and so far it is stable + I delted Ryzen Master and I won't touch it again since the last 2 kits I lost both of them were at somepoint stable and when I missed with Ryzen master it was kaboom, dead And I'm on Rog strix b650-a gaming MB
@@FIVESTRZ I don't know how many ppl have suffered from this, and is it on Team or mobos vendors IDK, but have seen some complaints on Amazone And next to me I have my 2nd dead kit which I couldn't replace it since I exceeded the 30d policy. So I believe it's complicated, But what I have noticed before it Suddenly died is, I saw a downgrade in games performance like i dont get the high fps that I used to have before and there was something like fps drop in heavy CPU-bound games like Arma 3 and it was very obvious and I felt the lag after it was very smooth when I overclocked the ram for the 1st time
I'm brand new to the PC game & pretty clueless with all this stuff. I've got a 7800x3d on a x670e asrock steel legend & it's running a g skill kit 7200 cl34 with the xmp profile enabled & seems to working great. What kind of problems could I be having that I'm just not clued up enough to be spotting?
Look at the 1% lows. If you are able to, try to tune sub timings. It could help alot in matter of performance. But 7800x3d and 7200mhz ram is a great combo, what gpu are you running?
If you aren't running high FCLK (2100Mhz or higher) you will be bandwidth limited and will not be benefiting from the high memory speed. In this video they are running 2133Mhz FCLK.
@@Je-kg8upreguardless your still limited because you can’t actually go 1:1 manually. For example 7200 divided by 2 is 3600 fclk. See where I’m going ? it’s way different then ddr4
Did some testing of my own, unfortunately I was only able to get 7000 to boot at 2133 (untuned) despite this ram able to do 8200 on Intel. I might fiddle with the timings a little bit and see what I can achieve at 6800-7000. Was hoping for at least 7200, ah well, shame really.
Was that at command rate 2? Im assuming it was. 1 very important thing is to be on latest bios, while also using far less VSOC voltage that command rate 1. CR2 only usually needs 1.15 to 1.2 volts to run, which is good for performance and stability. Not only that, but to run good timings on 7000+ you usually need 1.5v, and as in my case, 1.6v on the dram voltage.
@@Beefy-Tech Thanks for the reply! I’m spending more time with it now, just got 7200 to boot but unfortunately I’m not on a gene, only on a B650e Aorus Master but I’m just testing limitations at the moment, I’ve reduced my SOC all the way down to 1.15 and increase my vdd/vddq and that’s helped immensely, I’ve been able to hit 7400 max so far.
@@Fragil1tysee if you have “ high band width support “ setting in your bios. I have a b650 arous pro elite ax ice & I have this setting. it should be right where the xmp profile is in “ advanced settings “. without that setting turned on I can’t run any kits at there full speed. This is only for people with gigabyte boards.
I used your timings on your popular video of the 6000 RAM. Is there a difference going from that 6000 to a 6400? I noticed that Gskill now has a 6400 for AM5. Would love to see a comparison on these two and what new settings you are using on the 6400.
I thought am5 was only rated to 5200mhz ram? With 2 ram sticks and 3600mhz with 4 ram sticks? Im sure it says on amds website, anymore and your pushing the limits and risking faults to appear
Thats only the factory spec. Intel is rated at 5600 but people push it to 8000+ because the IMC is much better than AMD. AM5 is good at 6000, that is the sweet spot, regardless of how many sticks. Some can reach 6400. Also, there is no DDR5 3600 lol. That would be DDR4, which is AM4. Any higher than 6400 & you have to run Gear 4 essentially which is ass (unlike Intel, which is G2 at higher speeds). So 7600 G4 will run worse than 6400 G2 on AMD, and 7600 G2 Intel will run circles around AMD 6400 G2.
1:45 we need better GPUs. Hopefully at a more affordable price. Also in every game it is a sub 5% gain. If you have the money for it, why not. But will it change the experience? Absolutely not.
It all adds up. If you oc to 5.3ghz and run negative -5 on all cores pbo voltage. You'll gain another 8%. Next thing you know your faster than a 14900k without the crashes and performance degration. While only consuming 30 watts about 5x the efficiency.
I haven't found any reviews to date with the 5600 and cl 28, I believe the platform is truly optimized for the memory controller clock at a lower frequency, for example I use 6000 on the 7950x3d cl 32, I got it for 6400 with the same cl 32, but it gets worse In this case I left the memory controller equal to the memory frequency 3200 = 3200 or 6400 = 6400, but 5 fps less than 6000, when I tried with 5600 and cl 28 I got 7 more frames but my memory clips didn't stabilize, blue screen death lol
@@kevinerdem5434 The biggest problem is the confidence of leaving it running at 6400 with 1 to 1, it worked and worked well, saying that the performance in games is faster, it shows about 15 frames more, but it also heated up the processor a little more... at 6200 I think it's a safe margin of 1 to 1... 6400 is the technical limit of my motherboard... exceeding that at 1 to 1 won't break.
@@lucianofurmanskirodrigues1007 I am asking is if you have done stress tests on your RAM? Unstable RAM is no joke, any amount of erroring will cause windows corruptions.
that claim that 6000mhz is best you can do on am5 , kinda bother me becouse ryzen 7800x3d have show benefits from faster ram , or ram setting with thither timeing , why there is no mention how intel memory controler is fucking lotery when comes to faster ram ? xd
I have a really great kit rated at 7200mhz CL34, but I'm unsure how much I am able to push the tune as I only had a relatively mediocre motherboard with a 7800x3d, my motherboard is the MSI X670P
wow nice! since i have a 7600 with a garbage memory controller that barely boots into windows at 6200 1:1 and A-die kit i might try to push high speeds ofc it will entirely depend on how my motherboard but i already got 6800 to be stable so who knows
mmm when i test it 6200Mts give me best percentile than 6400mts, and also would be better to test it with a Ryzen 7000 not X3D then you can tell if it is indeed a better alternative.
If 6400mhz gave you worse results than 6200mhz, that's most likely due to timings on 6200mhz profile being done better, or simply the 6400mhz profile being unstable. Aslong as timings are perfect, the 6400mhz profile should scale in performance. Also, on a normal X series the ram difference would be more noticeable, but I believe there's no reason to buy a normal X series from 7000 series over an X3D if you are looking for highest end performance, thus I stuck with using the faster CPU option for comparison.
@@Beefy-Tech Well this is a known "issue" Bullzoid also confirm this, that 2000/2133 fclk and 6200 frecuency has better latency that well optimize 6400, dont know why, the great think about the normal X its that you have more cores so games that can utilize them and games like counter strike that benefit from higher frecuency that you can achive on does chips you can have better performance than X3D chips, thats why its a good test to make! sorry the bad engliush
Nice little tip for ram OCing: always have a shitty OS install your willing to corrupt. Don’t corrupt your perfectly set up win 10/11 install with tweaks and shit 🧠 🧠
Thats all ok if you want to have a pain in the arse system as we all know the X3D does not scale with higher clocked ram, it make none or may be 1% performance increase
Not sure why you're comparing averages here? The 1 percent lows on R6S improved by +50fps while the average had seen a +30fps boost. 1% lows are more imortant in competitive/high fps games.
I am only 0:30 into the video and I am already feeling this is a banger of a video.
Thanks fam🤝
@@Beefy-Tech Beefy it would help some of us a lot if you included footage of the bios settings because i have an x670e ASUS motherboard and want to try this with the 7950x3d
Great video! The option to use faster ram is really interesting in a use with the regular 7000, especially the dual CCD chips - 7900X/7950X, the duel CCD can work with the higher bandwidth, so I think the non X3D's can uplift very nice in performance with the higher speeds
Indeed. Given X3D scales with high frequency, non x3d will be even better.
I have a 7950x3d they do see massive improvements from MCLK and infinity fabric clocks.
6000cl 30 or 6400 cl 32 what is better same price? for 7800x3d
Cant wait to pay an extra £200 just to have an unstable mess of a pc for 3% FPS, what a trade sign me up .
Lol right) I bought a used RAM 7200mhz just because it was at the price of a new 6400mhz, but I'll try to put it work at 6400 cl30 and lower voltage if it will be posible
Bought some 2x 16GB of DDR5 8200MHz for like 175$. maybe I can get 6400MHz 18-18-18-35?!? :o
I was like: Shut up and take my money! XD
p.s I am still waiting this new beast.
@@crochebotamrelapute8816You mean 7200 MHz right?
No, 8200MHz.
My only fear is that they will not be able boot or past throw the Bios.
But I payed 188$ which is dirt cheap for 32GB of 8200MHz. :0
Cheers.
It’s not about the average FPS. It’s about the 1% and 0.1% lows, which are arguably significantly more important for the smoothness of your gaming experience.
GIGABYTE X670E AORUS Master is good for 7800mhz? Should i get another one?
Yes, and the Aurus Elite AX on X670. Very good motherboard.
how u do it lol,my 7800x3d can't even run under 6600mhz
Hi, I got myself a 7200 planks, tried to put 7400 in the bios, the system started, at 7600 does not want to turn on the pc, I only put the voltage 1.425, and timings just put 50 50 50 50 120 that the system just started, but the system does not turn on, I'm just wondering. is it I do something wrong or planks do not go to 7600?
Makes sense, the main bottleneck modern CPUs have is generally memory bandwidth.
Especially so on the x3d chips where there is an element of on-die latency you can't really overcome with lowered DIMM latency as you can only push the IF so much.
This is percentage differences between 6400 and 7800Mhz RAM in this video's tests:
R6S: +4%
CS2: +2.7%
COD Warzone2: +2.4%
In other words, let's say you are getting 100 fps in all of this games with 6400Mhz RAM. With 7800Mhz RAM you'll be getting 104fps in R6S, 103fps in CS2 and 102.5 fps in Warzone 2.
And of course this is the absolute best case scenario bc of low resolution / low settings and very GPU-light games. In most other cases the difference is going to be even lower to non-existent.
He has a 4090 so it makes sense why he’s getting what he’s getting plus a pretty well tuned bios / operating system
Thank you, that was exacly what I thought too!
So does this mean that it would not make sense for me to buy 2x24GB 7200mhz RAM if I'm planning to use the PC for more than just gaming?
RAM with more memory instead of the 2% performance increase over 2x32GB 6400mhz RAM which would probably be faster all-round?
@@Branden2DX lower mhz can guarantee you speed & stability. it really relies on your motherboard / cpu for you to figure out if 7200mhz works.
for me it’s 100% stable & I never have issues.
But do keep in mind anything past 6400mhz will leave your system 1:2 & not 1:1.
So it’s up to you, you can always try it. If you don’t like it return it.
I’ve returned 4 sticks all different timings & speed until I got what I liked.
from looking at this video, on paper “ the memory controller “ sits at 2000mhz no matter the speed or timings.
how fast you can set your fclk / bclk depends on silicone lottery.
If you do get 72000mhz then get CL34-42-42-84 1.4v that’s what I’m using.
Bro
Thank You For Your Hard Work.
Glad to see it can do it, sadly i got cl30 6000mhz as at the time every1 was talking it cant handle more. Mine works great with cl30 6000mhz since day 1.
If you bought a 6000MHz CL30 RAM kit, it's almost definitely Hynix die, which means you can easily overclock it.
If you have an ASUS board with a recent BIOS, there are RAM OC profiles you can select for your particular RAM kit under DRAM settings.
If you don't have an ASUS board, you have to overclock manually.
You can also tighten your timings. You SHOULD be able to squish
6400MHz @ CL 32-40-40-76 (ish) out of it @ 1.41 volts. 👍
This gene plate is wonderful.
I went up without any effort to 8000 cl38 with low voltages in memory 6400 cl32 xmp.
Previously using 6400 cl32 and 8000mhz cl38 was consistently faster in my benchmarks.
Friends in my group made fun of it saying it was a "placebo" but a month later they rushed to upgrade the memory to 8000mhz. 🤣
don't you need a special motherboard to pull this off?
I don't know, I only have this card@@TheJonazas
so your ram kits actully is 6400 mhz ??
and u overclocked it to 8000 mhz ?
yessss@@ahmedmagdy135
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are you 7800mhz and 6400mhz timmings really tigh?, i want to copy, because it looks like its the same as my dominator platinum 7200mhz kit.
Hello, how do you record Warzone without losing any performance? Do you use any exptension card like Elgato or do you have the recording program set do good?
I use 2 computers fam, 1 to record, which also has an elgato, discord, OBS on it, and 1 to simply game and overclock👍
@@Beefy-Tech Ahh, that's what I thought. I guess it's impossible to set it up to play and record on the same computer without losing frames
@@BenchmarkingTom you can set it up to where it hurts very little performance, but by design it's impossible to lose nothing while using the same computer to record.
Maybe we AV1 advancements it'll be possible, but atm ull still lose 5-10% performance while recording on a single pc.
@@Beefy-Tech Ok, thank you. Do you think OBS or Nvidia Shadowplay will be better to this?
Would make sense to test such ram speeds with basic zen 4 not x3D parts, since x3D vcache overtakes overall need for faster ram, compared to basic zen 4 cpus without it.
I tested the ram on X3D specifically because it is an X3D cpu known to not scale with ram, and show what potential gains could be had given you can run such high frequencies.
@@Beefy-Techwhy havent u tried the same with 7950x3d
Can 7950x3d handle such high ram speeds
Cause many youtubers said it cant
3d v cache + high bandwidth scales in call of duty.
especially if you have single rank ram 🤷🏼
Hello beefy, can i use 7600mhz 16x2 cl36 46 46 121 1.4v from gskill trident z on my MSI B650 Tomahawk Wifi? I only wanna use it on XMP, but i was seeing many user having trouble using more than 6000mhz on ryzen 7800X3D
Yes u can i have this kit with x3d. It goes over 8000 cr1 with soc 1.24v. U need however update to recent bios. Also the subtimings can go like from 121 to 44 or from 167 to 96 etc the refresh rate maxout to 65535 rfc from 1139 to 800 it is good kit, also teamgroup delta is nice. If u have some questions feel free to ask
@@maveric19871 thank u for ur info 😁, now I'm gonna buy that ram without worrying, I think im just gonna run on XMP, coz i dont have any experience on ram OC, im afraid for not getting into boot 😂
@@maveric19871I might pick up some delta’s today. the kit I’m looking at is rated as 7200mhz CL34-42-42-84 1.4v.
what do you think I can do with those for even better latency ?
I’m currently running g skill 6400mhz cl32-39-39-102 1.4v
@@silfrido1768 dunno, these deltas were in my country for 600zl it is around 140$, i bought gskill rgb 7600 cl36 1.4v for 830zl which is 200$, both are A die, on techpowerup there is a review of 7200 cl34 delta rgb. I past u a link but the comment was deleted, youtube sux nowadays, it only proves that non company should have too much power..
What's the RAM used? I recently got 48GB (24x2) of TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert CL34 7200Mhz. I haven't run any benchmarks though, so have no clue if I got any more FPS over my 6000Mhz kit. I was going to get 8000Mhz, but all the ones I found on Amazon and Newegg had slow timings, so I choose 7200Mhz instead.
Also, is your kit Hynix A-die? I'm assuming it is with those timings.
My specs: 7950x3D / ASRock x670e Taichi Carrara on Oct 3rd beta BIOS
Hey fam. I'm using the ddr5 7600mhz G skill kits (which is A die). This kit has terrible temperatures, but otherwise is good. I run it was a fan as a result, and it works well.
The 48GB kits are great, but harder to tune or push frequency on due to added heat from the higher density of the ram sticks themselves. I think you made a good choice though, as with a propper tune you might be able to even do 7600mhz in 2:1 on that ram kit.
@@Beefy-Tech So far the teamgroup ram has been solid. It runs good at 7200 with pretty tight timings even on the sub timing. Expo doesn't boot, but manually setting everything with even tighter timing than expo it runs fine, so that is weird. I prefer manually tuning my ram anyway, so I don't really care about expo.
I'm going to try out your timings and see if I can further tune things.
@@Isaiiahii
gotta turn on high band width support & low latency support on.
I was having the same issue on my b650 board.
I’m not sure what mobo you have so the settings I mentioned could be under a different alias.
I tried 3 differen’t kits & I thought all of them were bad until I turned those settings on lol.
I have the same kit as you… these can be pushed further then 7400mhz using the same timings.
Be advised tho…. My cpu can only handle 7400mhz with an fclk of 2133.
2167 will make your 3d v-cache very hot so be careful when setting your fclk.
You might get lucky tho.
For vsoc just use 1.185
For global ccdg just use 950 for both settings under “ global ccd “
@@silfrido1768 I found a video from buildzoid where he talked about running a higher motherboard voltage to the Controller for the INF on the board and you can effectively run higher clock, he did it on an Asrock board but it worked on my ASUS one as well.
Hi , I see your using revios 10, how do you like that software, does it feel safe , I'm currently using ghost spectre have you tried it , wondering if I should make the switch
7950X3D can also scale with ram speed like 7800X3D or worse?
The 7950X3D will actually scale better than the 7800x3d when it comes to ram frequency!
@@Beefy-Techyea I've never looked back. May try to knock down from 7800C36 to 34 like you, but 1.43V is hard to walk away from
for the cost difference is it worth it depending on what you actually play?
Hello my friend. in a newbie. i got a ryzen 5 5600x. i have a question about the uclk clock. isnt it supposed to be uclk==mclk?
Yes zen3 u want uclk=mclk=fclk
Hi, I love your videos man! Would you pick a 7900X3D over a 7800x3d if you had the chance to? Thanks in Advance.
Yes I would go with the 7900x3d because you couod just disable a ccd depending on your workload
For gaming only, the 7800X3D IS STILL THE UNDEFEATED.
If you need your PC for Production work for your job or for school like Cad or something, then no.
If, your PC is a Gaming PC = 7800X3D is your chip to get.
Good night. I have a Ryzen 7 7800x3d, do you recommend any type of overclocking? If that's possible because I don't think it's possible in this model or in the graphics I have an RTX 4070 Ti Asus Rog and 32 RAM 6000MHz CL38. I wanted to improve latency in games as much as possible but it's not easy. . ha and I have a benq 360hz. how to improve? I have a reasonable ping. I am from Portugal. a hug and I would really appreciate it if you helped me
get g skill 6400mhz cl32-39-39-102 1.4v = 10 nano seconds
Or get team group 7200mhz cl34-42-42-84 1.4v = 9.44 nano seconds
Got my 7800X3D going, ended up going with the Asrock B650E ITX and so far its doing great, thank you for your recommendations! I see in the latest MW2 config you have 6 as the render worker count instead of the original 7, would 6 be the right pick for the 7800X3D?
Yup fam, I switched to 6 for both 7800x3d and 7950x3d as of late, it's been more consistent for me
@@Beefy-Tech Thank you so much! Keep killin it on UA-cam :)
Hey man,
First, I want to say thanks for your great video content. I love it! Secondly, I wanted to ask why you mentioned at the beginning of the video that everyone knows the best RAM speed for the Ryzen 3DV processors is between 6000 to 6400 MHz? Can you explain that to me? I always thought the best setting for RAM was 6000 MHz. Sorry, maybe I'm lost. Can you help? Thanks again for the amazing content.
The sweetspot was initially said to be 6000mhz because that's what was max supported at the time.
As of the latest bios updates, the general user can EASILY do 6200mhz 1:1 now, and even 6400mhz with a bit of work.
This wasn't the case when AM5 first came out, meaning only as of late, has the sweetspot area changed for AM5.
Not only that, new bioses are now capable of 7600-8000mhz when running 2:1! Amd contrary to what some what say, there are gains to be had on AM5 X3D with high frequency ram, as the bandwidth gains are huge, and the latency us the same as running lower frequency 1:1, making it the overclockers new best choice for ram speed choices on AM5!
@@Beefy-Tech Okay wow! Thank you for that detailed explanation! I have the following kit: "G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO Black DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR5-6000, CL30-38-38-96, on-die ECC with AMD Expo" installed on an MSI Carbon Wi-Fi B650, along with a Ryzen 7800X3D. Would it be feasible to increase the frequency to 6200 MHz? Thank you for your assistance.
Would be nice man. Thx
@@ageofjohn9615 yes, you could increase it fam
What Ram speed would recommend for the 7950x3d?
I built a pc and didn't even realize that on amd's website the 7800x3d says it supports up to 5200mhz ram. I only looked at my motherboard specs, It's been stable so far but is this safe to run long term? my bios and everything is up to date. I'm running 2x16gb DDR5 at 6400mhz
@@XCI5ION yeah fam you are good. AMD and intel state such low "max" ram speeds to save their own ass when a very crappy chip silicon can't run normal ram speeds so they can deny warranty😂😂😂 normal running speeds are 6000-6400 for AMDs 7000 series with the infinity fabric and memory controller running at matched speeds.
I really wonder if I should buy 32gb 7800mhz cl36 or 64gb 6400mhz cl32. All those comparements are 32gb vs 32gb. I wonder more gb lower mhz vs low gb higher mhz compatition. Which one is better for my 13900KS and 4080 Super & GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS ELITE X WIFI 7 8266MHz(OC) DDR5
amazing content as always! do you have any plan to revisit rx 6950 xt or something on that price range gpu, and give us some update??? thanks
I do plan to go back to the 6950XT for some videos. Atm I only have the idea of trying to use 6950xt with framegen, but I'm currently working on a short video regarding framegen on the 7900XTX.
Thank you for sharing your Ram tuning, my question is Can I try it on a corsair vengeance kit ? I heard that they are A-die too I have the one that is running on 7200c34
Yes you can try fam. Just beware that without a 2 dimm mobo you'll have lower chances of being able to stabilize such speeds.
@@Beefy-Techif you have a 4 dimm then you just need 2 sticks….
@@silfrido1768 you clearly know nothing lmao
Hello beefy, I have a 16x2 g skill z5 6000mhz cl30 1.35v kit using xmp and a 7800x3d. I have little experience with RAM OC, mainly am5, and I would like to use at least 6400mhz. Would it be safe to use this kit of mine to use on a 6400 or would getting a 6400 expo cl32 kit be a good idea too?
You could easily try 6400mhz on that kit, as the kit itself probably easily does 6400mhz with enough voltage, but you need to see if your CPU can do 6400mhz 1:1 also.
@@Beefy-Tech
thanks! Where can I have parameters to adjust times and voltage? I'm a little lost on this
I remember when i bought my 12600k, everyone said that ram above 3200mhz was pointless, ram speed does not matter above 3200mhz...
I upgraded later to 4400mhz cl16 and got 50-60fps more in warzone.. my conclusion is that, dont listen to others about ram speed. Ram speed matters, esp in newer more demanding games
Most people are very casual and are misinformed 90% of the time so its always better to do your own research.
it was in DDR3 or early DDR4 era when ram speed was at that time indeed not really matter in game.
but in the end of DDR4 or early DDR5 era its start to matter.
Sometime it depends on the games too.
I'm sorry but you didn't change from 3200 Mhz to 4400 Mhz and gain 60fps bro. LOL, It's your lie, tell it like you want.
@@explod329 i went from 110-120fps 1440p to an average between 150-180fps. Not sure if you have tried warzone, but its cpu bound and depends on ram and cpu speed. I can send you pictures if you like when i benchmark in mw2 from running my ram at 4100mhz cl15 g2 to 4100mhz cl15 gear one, that change is also a hughe bump in cpu fps
Hey can you please give me the exact model of that 7800 DRR5 ram? you think it would make a difference for my i9 13900k?
Hey, I recommend you use the Teamgroup 7800Mhz 32GB kit...it's easily the best one on sale. It would help your 13900K but you'd require a 2 dimm motherboard to be able to run 7800-8000mhz👍 good luck with the upgrades.
@@Beefy-Tech I have an asus rog strix z790-E gaming wifi motherboard.
I got the Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 32GB (2x16) DDR5 kit. Would it work well with a 7700X?
I have 7800x3d and i cant run games with 6400mhz always crushing
How did u menage to have it stable ?
Can you tell me what motherboard you have. i’ll fix your issue, i just need to know what mobo you have
Is your FCLK actually stable? AM5 FCLK has built in error correction at the expense of performance. Running FCLK at 2133 with VSOC at 1.3v sounds insane (FCLK scales negatively with VSOC, the more voltage you pump into VSOC the more unstable your FCLK becomes). Try running y-cruncher VT3 stress test for a few hours on the 6000 config to see if you see any performance degredation. If you see odd performance drops in the stress test it means your Infinite Fabric is unstable and doing error correction.
I tried running 2167 fclk & this might explain why my pc was turning off by itself after like 20 minutes.
Stock voltage was running at 1.3 vsoc.
Vddg iod & ccd are both at 1000 aswell.
I also tried 2200 but I ran into a hard wall.
Any recommendations on getting 2167 stable ?
For now I’m running 2133 & it’s really good. but when I ran it at 2167 difference in speed / latency was very good.
Not on ASUS and Asrock. I increased VSOC and FCLK and saw stability improvements at higher speeds.
@@flitai yea I settled with 2133 @ 7400mhz & then I jus tuned secondary / proprietary timings
@@silfrido1768 ua-cam.com/video/4W3q0YzjQww/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
this video is extremely helpful for educating specifically on how a lot of FCLKs work but some motherboard topography varies.
Works for AMD and intel, but only take my word for Ryzen since that what I have experience with. For most Ryzen IMCs, timings are tighter in general because most of the time you cant get 8000Mhz on Ryzen however this same youtuber made a video/stream on Ryzen 7000 series CPU, with Gigabyte aorus tachyon am5 motherboard which was really cool to see. Stable enough to run for a day but he personally said he hasnt tuned it to the daily stability he would be looking for.
@@flitai mine is tuned & I daily my ram.
My ram sticks stay at 33c & it doesn’t get hotter then that lol
I’m running 7400mhz cl34-42-42-77-95 1.4v
Trfc1 is set to 589
trc 95
Trtp 25
Trdwr 16
Twtrl 28
Twtrs 3
Trdrdsd 2
Trdrddd 2
Twrwrdd 2
Twrwrsd 2
Tfaw 23
Tras 77
Hi, what voltages did you use for your 6400 setup?
yes we need this
When choosing ram speeds for a 7950x3d/7800x3d, is it still a gamble if you can run more than 7000hz? Im currently running 6000 with a 7950x3d, and am seeing if its a good idea to bump it up
hynix chips are guaranteed to run 7400 but others are unlikely to get close to that
You need to tick 2 boxes to "Guarantee" 7000+Mhz at Command rate 2.
1. Hynix A die sticks
2. Be on BIOS Agesa 1007B or later
Pretty much any system, regardless of bin, can achieve 7000-7600mhz with full custom tuning assuming its done properly
The x670e asus tuf gaming mobo I bought just says it can only run max 6400mhz... 😮
How can you run 7+k?
What are the best voltage for 6400 ?
Hey sir I bought by mistake cl32 6000 mhz ram do you think it can makes difference against cl30 6000?
Tune it down yourself
Hello, I'm building a computer and wanted to know if it's safe to use memory with a voltage of 1.4 now on 7800x3d?
Yes. 1.25v or 1.35v is not stable by any means. so 1.4v is key for that cpu which I have….
Saying youre unlucky to not achieve 8000 while even booting on 7800 is blasphemy.. 7800x3d memory controller is a binning nightmare
@@auzziebridger yeah true though. I just came in with the mindset that with an X670E gene I'd have guaranteed 8000mts speeds, but that wasn't the case due to CPU being the limitations. I've been running it at 7800mts since this video though and it's been great so it's fine either way, AM5 is fine regardless of ram speeds really so it's all just for fun.
Subscribed! Do you think i could do this with a 6 layer PCB B650 motherboard? Ive just ordered b650 edge wifi, thats why im asking.
It'll most likely cap out between 7400-7800mhz, so only option is to try.
@@Beefy-Tech thanks for answering so quickly! Would your timings still be applicable if i lowered the memory speed to 7400?
I have some RAM memory with 6400MHz and CL32. When I activate the DOCP to 6400MHz, the system freezes
Your motherboard should have a low latency & high band width support setting laying around somewhere.
it’s most likely in the advanced section.
i was having problems on my b650 aorus elite ac ice board before I discovered “ low latency support “ & high band width support “ settings.
these are specifically for your ram performance.
idk what motherboard you have so the setting that I’m referring to could be using a different alias.
If you give me the name of your mobo I can see if those settings are there
@@silfrido1768 hi, my motherboard is an ASUS B650E-F
@1:32 You don't need to lower the settings as some of them put a load on the CPU. Instead, you need to reduce the GPU load by reducing the resolution to 720p / 1080p.
Hi, im dont have that much experience to oc something by myself, so could I just buy 7800mts cl34 ram and just turn on xmp for my 7800x3d? Ofc i would buy mobo that supports these speeds.
The silicon on the cpu has to be able to handle that.
me I was only lucky to get 7400mhz cl34.
My motherboard or cpu could be the limitation I’m not really sure
Good stuff
So there is fps scaling on 3d chips would like to see if there's any benefits running 6000 6200 6400 1.1
6000-6400 1:1 tends to be very minimal. I used to use 6200mhz cl30 for the longest time, and upon switching to 6400mhz cl28 it was only a very very minor performance bump.
Will it run Star Citizen? And at what fps?
Well its quite funny that i just bougth a used 7200mhz cl34 kit with a used 7600x and it runs perfectly with the expo profile :D
Did the bios updates allowed for this? since amd is still recomendig 5200mhz for the 7800x3d
In a way yes. The bottleneck seem to have always been the AGESA before 1007b. Since then we are always able to go 6200 1:1 and 7600 1:2. Values like 6400 and 8000 can be reached but can also be considered walls that the hardware most of the time does't want to go beyond. But the official JEDEC value of AMD didn't change.
What ram did you use at 7200mhz? Because the highest frequency EXPO ram for AMD you can buy is 6000mhz. 🤔
You can use xmp kits on amd…..
Can anyone explain to me why tRRDS/L is worse on the 6400 profile than the 7800 profile?
Bro, on god I'm gonna lose my mind.
I got 13900kf-7800mhz but can't stabil more than 6800mhz I literally tried everything
why did i bought 7800mhz unless I use them????????????
Could be your motherboard that does not support above 6800mhz, also depends if your ram is dual rank or single rank.
I'm running a MSI b650 Tomahawk Wifi and running ram at 7600MHz. Haven't tried 7800MHz yet.
My ram kit is G.Skill Trident 6800MHz. F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK.
should i try to match a 7800x3d with ddr5 8000 Mhz ?? I saw a Starfield video a guy just compared DDR5 5200 vs DDR5 6000 vs DDR5 8000.
ua-cam.com/video/3LKwJF38-VI/v-deo.html
I took my TeamGroup 7200C34 koot which is like $125 to the 7800C36 with some similar timings but much lower voltage so its about where stock would be
At c36 I was running 1.52v vdd, but to further tighten cl and primaries I went all the way to 1.6v to ensure cl34 46 46 46 92 runs without hiccups. Cl32 45 45 45 90 requires 1.7v...so I decided to stick with these timings instead xD
@@Beefy-Tech goooooopd lawwwwwd brother lol. IF I even get into custom loops I will eventually water cool my RAM and I've seen liquid metal do wonders for Zen via Matt B. His set up is a demon but I can only point to the LM being the biggest factor. RAM timings are open and it's not like he's hiding it with some crazy unattainable tune, also on Windows 11 using ReLive to capture.
Mate I would give you a big warning when you deal with team kits just to make sure it is 1million% stable since I lost 2 kits already and it wasn't showing like bsods or such errors and I ended up with dead ram sticks. The seconds kit I actually did Karhu Ycruncher Occt test and it was stable, untill I tried Ryzen Master to undervolt my 7800x3d and the probelems begin to show up and in few hours I lost the 2nd kit so I came to conclusion that these Team kits are very sensitive to Cpu voltages so becarful mate. I just got Lexar 6400 kits and so far it is stable + I delted Ryzen Master and I won't touch it again since the last 2 kits I lost both of them were at somepoint stable and when I missed with Ryzen master it was kaboom, dead
And I'm on Rog strix b650-a gaming MB
@@Rochi7 interesting. Did you find anyone else having this issue? Was it widespread?
@@FIVESTRZ I don't know how many ppl have suffered from this, and is it on Team or mobos vendors IDK, but have seen some complaints
on Amazone And next to me I have my 2nd dead kit which I couldn't replace it since I exceeded the 30d policy. So I believe it's complicated, But what I have noticed before it Suddenly died is, I saw a downgrade in games performance like i dont get the high fps that I used to have before and there was something like fps drop in heavy CPU-bound games like Arma 3 and it was very obvious and I felt the lag after it was very smooth when I overclocked the ram for the 1st time
How much Mhz does an MSI Pro X670-P Wifi support??
I'm brand new to the PC game & pretty clueless with all this stuff. I've got a 7800x3d on a x670e asrock steel legend & it's running a g skill kit 7200 cl34 with the xmp profile enabled & seems to working great. What kind of problems could I be having that I'm just not clued up enough to be spotting?
Look at the 1% lows. If you are able to, try to tune sub timings. It could help alot in matter of performance.
But 7800x3d and 7200mhz ram is a great combo, what gpu are you running?
If you aren't running high FCLK (2100Mhz or higher) you will be bandwidth limited and will not be benefiting from the high memory speed. In this video they are running 2133Mhz FCLK.
@@Je-kg8upreguardless your still limited because you can’t actually go 1:1 manually.
For example 7200 divided by 2 is 3600 fclk.
See where I’m going ? it’s way different then ddr4
*You're* . Yes, you are still limited. I wasn't trying to imply setting a higher FCLK eliminates the bottleneck. @silfrido1768 @@silfrido1768
Did some testing of my own, unfortunately I was only able to get 7000 to boot at 2133 (untuned) despite this ram able to do 8200 on Intel. I might fiddle with the timings a little bit and see what I can achieve at 6800-7000. Was hoping for at least 7200, ah well, shame really.
Was that at command rate 2? Im assuming it was. 1 very important thing is to be on latest bios, while also using far less VSOC voltage that command rate 1. CR2 only usually needs 1.15 to 1.2 volts to run, which is good for performance and stability. Not only that, but to run good timings on 7000+ you usually need 1.5v, and as in my case, 1.6v on the dram voltage.
@@Beefy-Tech Thanks for the reply! I’m spending more time with it now, just got 7200 to boot but unfortunately I’m not on a gene, only on a B650e Aorus Master but I’m just testing limitations at the moment, I’ve reduced my SOC all the way down to 1.15 and increase my vdd/vddq and that’s helped immensely, I’ve been able to hit 7400 max so far.
@@Beefy-Tech
What did you use to test the ram stability?
@@Fragil1tysee if you have “ high band width support “ setting in your bios.
I have a b650 arous pro elite ax ice & I have this setting. it should be right where the xmp profile is in “ advanced settings “.
without that setting turned on I can’t run any kits at there full speed.
This is only for people with gigabyte boards.
voltages for 6400 pls
I used your timings on your popular video of the 6000 RAM. Is there a difference going from that 6000 to a 6400? I noticed that Gskill now has a 6400 for AM5. Would love to see a comparison on these two and what new settings you are using on the 6400.
No difference. 1-5 fps
They have the same latency, the other just has higher bandwidth
Was your Ubisoft overlay on or off
Off I believe.
@@Beefy-Tech it was on cuz without it your results wouldn't have popped up. I'm so dumb lol
bro is 7950x3d ccd1 or 7800x3d better in cs2 ?
7950X3D on the cache CCD should be better. CS2 seems to actually take advantage of cache unlike CSGO.
@@Beefy-Tech nice to know, thx 😀
What’s the 7800 kit name?
Do you enable XPM , (EXPO) ?
You should try to set FCLK to 1950 to see how much it differs. They say it's the lowest latency possible for now
There isn’t an option to set the FCLK to 1950
Can u try the same with 7950x3d
Doesnt 7800x3d cap at 6000.i thought people using 6400 cl32 xmp was having to manually 6000 cl30 timings .
Wrong lol
I thought am5 was only rated to 5200mhz ram? With 2 ram sticks and 3600mhz with 4 ram sticks? Im sure it says on amds website, anymore and your pushing the limits and risking faults to appear
Thats only the factory spec. Intel is rated at 5600 but people push it to 8000+ because the IMC is much better than AMD.
AM5 is good at 6000, that is the sweet spot, regardless of how many sticks. Some can reach 6400. Also, there is no DDR5 3600 lol. That would be DDR4, which is AM4.
Any higher than 6400 & you have to run Gear 4 essentially which is ass (unlike Intel, which is G2 at higher speeds). So 7600 G4 will run worse than 6400 G2 on AMD, and 7600 G2 Intel will run circles around AMD 6400 G2.
@@OC.TINYYYamd only has 2 gearsss lol what are you talking about
Also rated speeds are not really rated speeds…. You’re actually running at half the speed.
Double data rate = mclk….
1:45 we need better GPUs. Hopefully at a more affordable price.
Also in every game it is a sub 5% gain. If you have the money for it, why not. But will it change the experience? Absolutely not.
110% accurate lol.
Still no 100% gpu utilization. We Dont have a 360hz cpu yet
Yup. Even next gen may not be a fully consistent 360+ FPS CPU, but it'll be close.
7950x3d run at 8000 and 8200, however my fclk lottery wasn’t great on the cpu.
*4% difference for a $50-80 USD difference in cost. Not worth it.*
It all adds up. If you oc to 5.3ghz and run negative -5 on all cores pbo voltage. You'll gain another 8%. Next thing you know your faster than a 14900k without the crashes and performance degration. While only consuming 30 watts about 5x the efficiency.
I haven't found any reviews to date with the 5600 and cl 28, I believe the platform is truly optimized for the memory controller clock at a lower frequency, for example I use 6000 on the 7950x3d cl 32, I got it for 6400 with the same cl 32, but it gets worse In this case I left the memory controller equal to the memory frequency 3200 = 3200 or 6400 = 6400, but 5 fps less than 6000, when I tried with 5600 and cl 28 I got 7 more frames but my memory clips didn't stabilize, blue screen death lol
Did you stability test the 6400 overclock?
@@kevinerdem5434 The biggest problem is the confidence of leaving it running at 6400 with 1 to 1, it worked and worked well, saying that the performance in games is faster, it shows about 15 frames more, but it also heated up the processor a little more... at 6200 I think it's a safe margin of 1 to 1... 6400 is the technical limit of my motherboard... exceeding that at 1 to 1 won't break.
@@lucianofurmanskirodrigues1007 I am asking is if you have done stress tests on your RAM? Unstable RAM is no joke, any amount of erroring will cause windows corruptions.
Not worth getting since 6400cl32 has the same latency as 5600cl28 & 6000cl30
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that claim that 6000mhz is best you can do on am5 , kinda bother me becouse ryzen 7800x3d have show benefits from faster ram , or ram setting with thither timeing , why there is no mention how intel memory controler is fucking lotery when comes to faster ram ? xd
My 7800x3D capped out at 2100 fclk so probably not worth trying to get my M-Die kit to beat my 6400 1:1 config.
Shouldn't you run 6200mhz instead then since you have 2100fclk max? When my fclk is lower than 1:3, my aida latency increases by 8ns.
2-5% increase for much less stability and more latency doesnt seem worth it
youre better off dialing in your timings for the slower ram
will xmp ram work on amd?
Yes…. It will work
I have a really great kit rated at 7200mhz CL34, but I'm unsure how much I am able to push the tune as I only had a relatively mediocre motherboard with a 7800x3d, my motherboard is the MSI X670P
Same boat, anything useful to share?
@@markong3010 tested 6400mhz cl28 and it ran better than anything else I've tried, I have an A die ram kit
@@gevorian what ram are you using and which motherboard?
@@DePrimeYT MSI x670p, teamgroup t-create 7200mhzcl34 rated memory
@@gevorian according to google, that ram leans more towards intel, does it support amd expo?
Yeah I’ll stick with my 6200MT/s 28CL / 2200FCLK. ZERO reason to go higher
cope
I use fclk 2200 mclk 6600 for 2:3 to get better performance. the latency in aida64 is 59.x ns. uclk just run 1650 1:2 to mclk
6600c30
You’re probably the only person on here that knows what they are talking about. Smart man
Hello guys, it looks like you know your stuff. Do you absolutely need an x670 or is a b650 sufficient for such numbers? greetings
a b650 is good enough it's a 10 frame difference@@ThomasVonbretzt
why power limit while doing a benchmark its so stupid
wow nice! since i have a 7600 with a garbage memory controller that barely boots into windows at 6200 1:1 and A-die kit i might try to push high speeds
ofc it will entirely depend on how my motherboard but i already got 6800 to be stable so who knows
May not be playable at 800, hahah nice
LOL...I don't know anyone who's achieving 1000mhz in everyday life.
1000fps is the dream
No point for going above 6400mhz.
cope
mmm when i test it 6200Mts give me best percentile than 6400mts, and also would be better to test it with a Ryzen 7000 not X3D then you can tell if it is indeed a better alternative.
If 6400mhz gave you worse results than 6200mhz, that's most likely due to timings on 6200mhz profile being done better, or simply the 6400mhz profile being unstable. Aslong as timings are perfect, the 6400mhz profile should scale in performance.
Also, on a normal X series the ram difference would be more noticeable, but I believe there's no reason to buy a normal X series from 7000 series over an X3D if you are looking for highest end performance, thus I stuck with using the faster CPU option for comparison.
@@Beefy-Tech Well this is a known "issue" Bullzoid also confirm this, that 2000/2133 fclk and 6200 frecuency has better latency that well optimize 6400, dont know why, the great think about the normal X its that you have more cores so games that can utilize them and games like counter strike that benefit from higher frecuency that you can achive on does chips you can have better performance than X3D chips, thats why its a good test to make! sorry the bad engliush
si probas un juego de verdad que pasa?proba crysis remastered,algo con calidad grafica que demuestre los avances tecnoligicos graficos
Nice little tip for ram OCing: always have a shitty OS install your willing to corrupt. Don’t corrupt your perfectly set up win 10/11 install with tweaks and shit 🧠 🧠
Thats all ok if you want to have a pain in the arse system as we all know the X3D does not scale with higher clocked ram, it make none or may be 1% performance increase
M die 32gb kits die are getting rare
"unplayable at 800fps" 🤣💀
895 fps ewwwww