Oops ! Neither of us have heard the Sylvian / Fripp thing. That appears to be an oversight on our parts. I just added those discs to my wishlist, I have liked Japan for a few years but haven’t gotten too deep into that world yet. www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/yoursaves
Great show! I agree that TPtB ends with a whimper. I love this era of the band. ProjeKct 1 played four shows total, not just one. Dec 1-4 97, Jazz Club
Nice to see a different perspective, I'm an old git whose followed Crimson from the very beginning so my view is very different. Just a couple of things. The Thrak period really started during the Sylvian/Fripp project. Robert had asked David Sylvian to join him in a new King Crimson. David was willing to work on the project but thought the weight of the Crimson name was too much for him so they recorded and toured as Sylvian/Fripp, that's where Trey Gunn and Pat Mastelotto come in, Mastelotto wasn't on the album but did the tour and live album. At the same time Fripp was talking to the others but didn't know how to move things forward but he had music that was clearly Crimson in mind. Then as it tells you in the brilliant Thrak box, on a walk he had an idea of the double drums. Then the rest fell in place. I hope there is a Sylvian/Fripp box set at some point. The other thing is that Projeckt Two was not the first time electronic drums were used in Crimson. Both Bruford and Mastelotto were using them as part of their kits during Thrak. You can hear them on the live stuff in the box set. I went to the Albert Hall show and they were using them. Bruford had been using them from Beat, Three of a Perfect Pair time and used them more in his Earthworks band. You are correct about Deception of the Thrush but they used some of that music in the Power to Believe parts as a way of getting around the issues but split it and changed the way it worked but unfortunately, didn't quit pull it off. We have the live versions though so that's OK. The Heaven and Earth box is by far my favourite of the box sets, I've got them all, because of the Projeckts stuff. I love the Thrak album, it was a difficult time in my life but I remember the tour well. I went to the Sylvian/Fripp shows at the same venue in London with Michael Brook as support and he played with the band, that was brilliant and Crimson in all but name. In love all three albums but I'm a Crimson nut, my favourite band and met Fripp and Levin a few times. Although last time was ages ago when they had a listen and greet event in London for the Night Watch release and Levin was there as well as Fripp, Wetton, Bruford, Cross, that was a special day for me. Greatest band ever that we won't see the like again. Also, unlike a few people, I absolutely love the last incarnation of the band. They could and did play all eras of the band and they did the best show I've ever seen at Birmingham Symphony Hall.
I prefer anything "ProjeKCts" over their main catalogue during this period. Specially P1,3,4 and X !!!! A real pleasure to hear the band Improvise and develop songs (Also the Level 5 Live EP is amazing!)
Thrak was cool. Saw the tour in Atlanta in 95. Finally saw Bruford! I have to admit this is where my KC affections start to waver. A coldness permeated the music for me. The Power to Believe was a surprise and my favorite album of the later era. Otherwise I’m a bit meh on everything.
I have a massive KC collection dating back to getting INCOTCK in 1972. But I think the Level Five EP might be the single best one-disk statement of what makes KC special. (From what I read somewhere, apparently Tony Levin thinks so as well.)
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Sylvian Fripp lp and live cd that was kinda the precursor of Thrak. I really like that cd. Got to see the stick men last January, which was fantastic. Opened with LTIA 2, off said. Levin and Masteletto were so approachable and nice you wanted to buy em a beer and ask them questions all night. As for Thral, I agree. The double drums were just too over the top. I loved Adrian's ballads, but then the whole projects thing left me cold. I enjoy your topis, really dig that Stand Up Tapestry in the back. Rock on! -Eric
You will like them, I'm sure. The First Day and the live one is called Damage. Both feature Trey and Pat. There was a DVD of damage so check out UA-cam videos. Apparently David Sylvian was asked to the vocalist for the 90s Crim but declined.
I've thoroughly enjoyed these King Crimson discussions guys👍🏻Several times you mentioned how some of the material came across better live, so how about another KC discussion where you list your favourite live releases?
@@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout Why insane Ian? 🤔 If I had suggested that you 'rank' the live recordings then you might be justified in describing that as insanely difficult, but surely cherry picking a few favourites isn't that difficult? However, I'll admit that up to this point, the sheer quantity of live KC releases has scared me away from diving down that particular rabbit hole, so you're undoubtedly a better judge of how insane that task is than myself. Anyway, I've taken the plunge into Absent Lovers, and Sheltering Skies and they're pretty good, but I suspect there's better stuff out there.
@@terrywalker8446 Sorry to use the word ‘insane’ 😂 I just meant there’s a lot out there. I certainly have some favorites though. it would never be complete but a highlights episode could work - I’m thinking about it
@@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout Every UA-camr and his dog has produced a KC studio album ranking video but I've never stumbled across a discussion dedicated to their live releases. For some reason that led me to assume that they weren't worth checking out, and were purely released in order to generate a little extra income. It wasn't until you mentioned a couple of them that I woke up and realised that I needed to check out what I'd been missing, so thanks for nudging me down that rabbit hole sir👍🏻
@@terrywalker8446 no, there’s just SO MANY especially the collectors club releases are massive. There’s many I also haven’t heard, it’s a real rabbit hole. I do like the idea, I’m discussing it now and making plans to do it after the release of the Red 50th, which includes a few versions of USA. So stick around another month or so is my advice !
My opinions about KC have rarely lined up with those of many others regarding the band. And this time is no different. Admittedly, the major reason for that may be age (I'm a British Invasion guy who came to music much earlier than the two of you). For example, I believe that Starless and Bible Black is the best of the Wetton/Bruford era band. I believe that Three of a Perfect Pair is the best album from the 80s era band. I absolutely LOVE Thrak. The double trio era may be my 2nd fave era of the band. The ProjeKcts have always left me cold. I like The ConstruKction of Light (despite its horrid use of v-drums) far more than The Power To Believe, which I find way too "industry-sterile". That being said, there isn't a KC album not worth owning, and I agree that the tours from 1995 through 2003 were indeed ferocious. Regarding the ProjeKcts - I believe that the best of the lot is Bill Rieflin's The Repercussions of Angelic Behavior (a set of improvs recorded during The Birth of a Giant sessions). Although unofficially a ProjeKct, it was the first one recorded, as Fripp and Gunn met up with Bill for his spectacular Birth of a Giant before heading back east to team up with Belew in Nashville to record Space Groove.
Oops ! Neither of us have heard the Sylvian / Fripp thing. That appears to be an oversight on our parts. I just added those discs to my wishlist, I have liked Japan for a few years but haven’t gotten too deep into that world yet.
www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/yoursaves
Nice always!
Great show! I agree that TPtB ends with a whimper. I love this era of the band. ProjeKct 1 played four shows total, not just one. Dec 1-4 97, Jazz Club
Nice to see a different perspective, I'm an old git whose followed Crimson from the very beginning so my view is very different.
Just a couple of things. The Thrak period really started during the Sylvian/Fripp project. Robert had asked David Sylvian to join him in a new King Crimson. David was willing to work on the project but thought the weight of the Crimson name was too much for him so they recorded and toured as Sylvian/Fripp, that's where Trey Gunn and Pat Mastelotto come in, Mastelotto wasn't on the album but did the tour and live album. At the same time Fripp was talking to the others but didn't know how to move things forward but he had music that was clearly Crimson in mind. Then as it tells you in the brilliant Thrak box, on a walk he had an idea of the double drums. Then the rest fell in place.
I hope there is a Sylvian/Fripp box set at some point.
The other thing is that Projeckt Two was not the first time electronic drums were used in Crimson. Both Bruford and Mastelotto were using them as part of their kits during Thrak. You can hear them on the live stuff in the box set. I went to the Albert Hall show and they were using them. Bruford had been using them from Beat, Three of a Perfect Pair time and used them more in his Earthworks band.
You are correct about Deception of the Thrush but they used some of that music in the Power to Believe parts as a way of getting around the issues but split it and changed the way it worked but unfortunately, didn't quit pull it off.
We have the live versions though so that's OK.
The Heaven and Earth box is by far my favourite of the box sets, I've got them all, because of the Projeckts stuff.
I love the Thrak album, it was a difficult time in my life but I remember the tour well. I went to the Sylvian/Fripp shows at the same venue in London with Michael Brook as support and he played with the band, that was brilliant and Crimson in all but name.
In love all three albums but I'm a Crimson nut, my favourite band and met Fripp and Levin a few times. Although last time was ages ago when they had a listen and greet event in London for the Night Watch release and Levin was there as well as Fripp, Wetton, Bruford, Cross, that was a special day for me.
Greatest band ever that we won't see the like again.
Also, unlike a few people, I absolutely love the last incarnation of the band. They could and did play all eras of the band and they did the best show I've ever seen at Birmingham Symphony Hall.
Nice video.
(P1 actually did a 4 night residency, not just a single show)
I prefer anything "ProjeKCts" over their main catalogue during this period. Specially P1,3,4 and X !!!! A real pleasure to hear the band Improvise and develop songs (Also the Level 5 Live EP is amazing!)
Thrak was cool. Saw the tour in Atlanta in 95. Finally saw Bruford! I have to admit this is where my KC affections start to waver. A coldness permeated the music for me. The Power to Believe was a surprise and my favorite album of the later era. Otherwise I’m a bit meh on everything.
I have a massive KC collection dating back to getting INCOTCK in 1972. But I think the Level Five EP might be the single best one-disk statement of what makes KC special. (From what I read somewhere, apparently Tony Levin thinks so as well.)
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Sylvian Fripp lp and live cd that was kinda the precursor of Thrak. I really like that cd. Got to see the stick men last January, which was fantastic. Opened with LTIA 2, off said. Levin and Masteletto were so approachable and nice you wanted to buy em a beer and ask them questions all night. As for Thral, I agree. The double drums were just too over the top. I loved Adrian's ballads, but then the whole projects thing left me cold. I enjoy your topis, really dig that Stand Up Tapestry in the back. Rock on! -Eric
@@MrEjw3 *shyly* I’ve never heard the Sylvian Fripp albums but I would like to
@@MrEjw3 I just put them on my Amazon wishlist !
www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/yoursaves
You will like them, I'm sure. The First Day and the live one is called Damage. Both feature Trey and Pat. There was a DVD of damage so check out UA-cam videos. Apparently David Sylvian was asked to the vocalist for the 90s Crim but declined.
I've thoroughly enjoyed these King Crimson discussions guys👍🏻Several times you mentioned how some of the material came across better live, so how about another KC discussion where you list your favourite live releases?
@@terrywalker8446 that would be an insane undertaking
@@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout
Why insane Ian? 🤔
If I had suggested that you 'rank' the live recordings then you might be justified in describing that as insanely difficult, but surely cherry picking a few favourites isn't that difficult?
However, I'll admit that up to this point, the sheer quantity of live KC releases has scared me away from diving down that particular rabbit hole, so you're undoubtedly a better judge of how insane that task is than myself.
Anyway, I've taken the plunge into Absent Lovers, and Sheltering Skies and they're pretty good, but I suspect there's better stuff out there.
@@terrywalker8446
Sorry to use the word ‘insane’ 😂 I just meant there’s a lot out there. I certainly have some favorites though.
it would never be complete but a highlights episode could work - I’m thinking about it
@@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout
Every UA-camr and his dog has produced a KC studio album ranking video but I've never stumbled across a discussion dedicated to their live releases. For some reason that led me to assume that they weren't worth checking out, and were purely released in order to generate a little extra income. It wasn't until you mentioned a couple of them that I woke up and realised that I needed to check out what I'd been missing, so thanks for nudging me down that rabbit hole sir👍🏻
@@terrywalker8446 no, there’s just SO MANY especially the collectors club releases are massive. There’s many I also haven’t heard, it’s a real rabbit hole. I do like the idea, I’m discussing it now and making plans to do it after the release of the Red 50th, which includes a few versions of USA. So stick around another month or so is my advice !
My opinions about KC have rarely lined up with those of many others regarding the band. And this time is no different. Admittedly, the major reason for that may be age (I'm a British Invasion guy who came to music much earlier than the two of you). For example, I believe that Starless and Bible Black is the best of the Wetton/Bruford era band. I believe that Three of a Perfect Pair is the best album from the 80s era band. I absolutely LOVE Thrak. The double trio era may be my 2nd fave era of the band. The ProjeKcts have always left me cold. I like The ConstruKction of Light (despite its horrid use of v-drums) far more than The Power To Believe, which I find way too "industry-sterile". That being said, there isn't a KC album not worth owning, and I agree that the tours from 1995 through 2003 were indeed ferocious. Regarding the ProjeKcts - I believe that the best of the lot is Bill Rieflin's The Repercussions of Angelic Behavior (a set of improvs recorded during The Birth of a Giant sessions). Although unofficially a ProjeKct, it was the first one recorded, as Fripp and Gunn met up with Bill for his spectacular Birth of a Giant before heading back east to team up with Belew in Nashville to record Space Groove.
Are you telling me to go Thrak myself?? 😂
ProzaKc Blues is by far my least fave KC song, I hate it at the beginning of the album - only song/track I skip
I kinda disagree, I think Power to belive is my least fave of these final 3, I just find it quite forgettable.
Wow. That really has me scratching my head. To each their own though. :)