Woodturning - A Need for Speed?
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- My thoughts on lathe speed and the different effects it has on both your turning experience and the quality of cut achieved.
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What a fantastic reminder for the more seasoned turner. We all need to be reminded from time to time.
SAFE TURNING, John
Thank you John much appreciated.
Cheers
Mike
Finally, an excellent demonstration of sensible turning speeds. For the record, I’ve been turning and teaching for 30 years and totally agree with everything you say. You’ve nailed it. I couldn’t have explained it better. Would only add for the non variable speed lathes to try a higher belt speed and switch on and then straight off again to test the outcome before anything gets too out of control. My friend and I have struggled to get our club members to turn at a sensible speed for years. A link to your video will definitely be in our newsletter from now on. Thank you so much. I just hope people are sensible enough to take this great advice.
Thank you Ken, I really appreciate you saying that.
Take care
Mike
This video was a huge help and cleared up quite a lot. I have only been turning for a couple of months and now I know I have been turning too slowly. I have been watching all your videos and they are all very informative, easy to follow and clear. Thanks again.
Glad you liked the video Mark, and that it was of some use to you.
priceless. I've not got the luxury to dial in my speed working on an older lathe but this has encouraged me to take the time to go past the wobble and get a better cut. I came here by recommendation to gain some basics on sharpening up my tools but I can already see that lathe speed has much to do with the cut as a nicely shaped gouge.
Glad you found the video useful. Thanks for watching.
Cheers
Mike
Nice work Mike. I am "self taught" and I have been turning way too slow. I usually increase the speed until I start to get vibration, and then back off a little. I see now that one can go through the vibration safely with know problem. You CAN teach an old dog new tricks!! I am 74 and have been turning now for 64 years and I am still learning. GREAT! Thanks.
Thank Alan, as I'm sure you're aware you can't always work through the vibration, but often you can. Just go with what your comfortable with.
Very helpful for me a new hobby turner .
Thanks Mike
Stay healthy and happy 💐
Thanks for all your videos. I'm new to turning and like your humble style in sharing your experience and knowledge. I appreciate that you don't mind showing a mistake now and then, it helps me feel better about my own. Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much for your kind words they are very much appreciated.
Thanks for the great video! As a new turner, this is exactly the information I was hoping to find.
Mike, thanks for taking the time and demonstrating how the wood and chisel interact at the different speeds. That is so incredibly helpful!
Glad to be of some assistance Dave and thanks for watching.
Again thanks a lot for the info on vibration and going through it or NOT.... I really appreciate your teaching moments for me and I am sure many others.
I'm glad to hear that you found the video of some use Randy. Thanks for watching.
Great video Mike! As a new turner, this was invaluable.
Thank you Wolfy, glad you liked it mate.
Thank you for such a great video.
I have just bought my first lathe, without ever have make nothing on woodturning. So, your video have responded at one of my great questions on beginning.
It helped me to be more confident, to be able to turn my first piece.
Thanks!
Hi Fernando, thanks for your kind words, and enjoy your turning journey. Thanks for watching.
Hi mike, thanks for the advice and I am fairly in experienced at working with a lathe but have done a few bowls and one set of legs for a coffee table. I like your teaching because you are very clear and I like your attitude on safety. thanks for taking the time to teach us all, seems to me that you do care and most of all you do answer comments. actually, I never leave likes or comments to people who never answer. hope you keep going with this. great. thanks. :)
Thanks William ... Happy I can be of service 🙂
Mike, when you said an experienced turner may not get a lot out of this video, I almost passed on watching. But, even though I am experienced I always feel like there is more to learn so I watched. I'm glad I did! What I learned is, I turn much like Mike Waldt turns, at least when it comes to selecting a speed. What brought it home the most, for me, was when you had the odd shaped, out of balance piece between centers and you said you didn't feel comfortable trying to go through the wobble. Agreed! Been there, felt the same way.
You should be a teacher! Very well thought out and produced video. I was thoroughly entertained. Thanks for another great video! Phil
Hi Phil, and thank you so much for your kind supportive words, I really do appreciate them.
In another life I would have been in heaven if I could make a living from teaching woodturning ... what could be better? :)
Take care
Mike
HI Mike, great video again. I have , like many other new wood turners, started off with too slower speed. So many thanks for this valuable demonstration!
Glad you found the video useful Lutz.
Thank you very much for this demonstration Mike, much needed for me.
Cheers, Júlíus
My pleasure, and thank you for watching Julius.
thanks you have answered so many of the questions i had , im new to turning and got my first lathe last week , again many thanks
Hi Mick, glad to here you found the video of some use.
Enjoy your turning journey.
Cheers
Mike
Thanks Mike. Just got first lathe and been turning far to slow. But don't have speed control. Have to change the pulley ratio,
Have seen all your beginners videos and found them all very helpful .
I appreciate your support Adam, and enjoy your turning.
A much needed video, Mike. I think we all treat speed as a constipation cure when we first start. Good advice to stay out of the line of fire when starting the lathe - better than getting a lump of yew in the gob. Nice use of stubs - hadn’t thought of that before. Great job all round.
Thank you Graham, always nice to see you and read your comments mate.
Very comprehensive video Mike, and not just for beginners. It helped me to review and refresh my thoughts on all the variations you covered. I have some experience and I agree with everything you said. In cases like the crotchety branch, and where I have wood to spare, I bore a 15mm recess with a fostner bit to house the centres; then in the event of the drive slipping out, the branch won't come off the lathe. Thanks again.
I mean forstner of course!
Thank you kevin, thanks also for the tip re the forstner too,.
Take care
Mike
Fantastic video Mike, this was always one of the unknowns for me when I started turning... I’m sure it will help new turners by showing them what to expect.
Thanks Glyn .. mind you I think your wobble zone is non existent on your new VB!!! ;)
Cheers
Mike
PS - Love to Jo
Great video, Mike! Thanks. I’m going to share this with other members of my woodturning club so those who need to know can learn from it.
Thank you Russell, I would be honoured mate :)
Nicely put across Mike, i’m sure for a lot of new to intermediate turners, this vid will be of tremendous help. As you quite rightly state, safety first. This being the most critical part of turning for anyone regardless of overall skill level.
Thank you Josev, much appreciated my friend.
Excellent video - excellent presented. Thank you very much for this comprehensive insight & overview.
Thank you Helmut I appreciate you saying that.
Great video Mike, I always appreciate your advice and insight. I am a very new woodturner, and I've learned a lot from your videos already. Two things I have going for me, I was a Machinist for 27 years, and I have common sense. I try to get by on that so I watch seasoned woodturners like yourself quite a bit and try to learn your techniques and tool presentation to the wood. Thank you for taking the time to post videos, they are always very helpful! Keep it rolling....
Thank you Dylan, I appreciate your kind words. being that you were machinist stands you in very good stead to branch into woodturning..
Cheers
Mike
Hi Mike, Good information, Initially when starting out new turners are a little afraid to increase speed for fear of the project flying around the workshop. I concur completely. , faster speeds equal better finish off the tool offset work excepting, until the required shape is attained.
Your explanation is as usual very concise and complete.
Regards Stephen
Thanks Stephen appreciate that mate.
Well done, Mike! A great, in depth, exploration of the topic. I makes me realize that I've endured far more "clunkety clunk" that has been strictly necessary. Starting slow has just been my routine approach and I hadn't thought much about it. Thanks for doing the thinking for me and demonstrating the process so well.
Glad to hear you found the video useful Jeff, always proceed with caution, and as Cap Eddie says " No Hero Moves" ;)
Cheers
Mike
Just wanted to say thanks Mike!
Started turning two years ago and your videos have been a true inspiration, very informative and easy to understand.
Especially your videos on grinding and how to use different tools and catches.
Anyway I’ll keep watching if you keep making them....very jealous of your workspace though!
Thanks Mike
Sean
The Blackheath Woodturner
My absolute pleasure Sean, and thank you so much for your very kind and supportive comment, they are much appreciated.
Take care
Mike
Great video Mike,thanks for helping me to improve.Bob
Thanks Robert ... my pleasure and honour Sir :)
Just seen this. Thanks for the explanations.
I have a 4 speed pulley change lathe and realized quite quickly that even to turn a half log 12 inches dia. at my slowest speed of around 720 revs I needed to learn how to balance the wood as accurately as possible Usually by adjusting my face plate) That done, I have never needed to turns bowls, goblets etc at above 1200 revs as long as my tools are kept very sharp.
One day, I may be able to get a lathe with an accelerator! Keep them turning Mike!
Kevin (Worcester)
Glad you found the video enjoyable Kevin ... whatever works for you is the right way in my humble opinion 🙂
Once again Mike. A great tutorial. Have started to turn a eucalyptus very very end of burl piece, That is so rough. Have tried to rough it out at 425 rpm. Its bloody horrible. Shall try it out at 625 rpm or maybe a bit higher. Have a manual belt change. Great advice.
Excellent video Mike Thanks very much I have learnt a lot from your presentation
Thank you Ian, glad you found the video of some use.
Love this video, come back to it often
Thank you Mart, much appreciated mate.
Cheers
Mike
I just learned a lot and didn't loose any teeth doing so! Thanks Mike!
Lol ... glad you found it useful Martin.
Thank you Mike for a video of such great value and as Alan Rouse has pointed out very helpful not only for beginners. I have a small coronet herald lathe and although a bit lightweight, your explanation was so well defined that I can transpose your information to suit what I have. As a beginner any vibration made me feel very uncomfortable and had to live with the clunkety clunk, till now! Have just tried a little experimenting with the speed and what a massive difference it has made, thanks to you, I really appreciate your efforts in all your vids but this one has really made my day!! Cheers to you, Tony.
Hi Tony, so very happy to hear that some good came out of my video.
Enjoy your turning mate.
Cheers
Mike
Nicely demonstrated - thanks Mike
Thank you Richard.
Thanks for another clearly explained and informative guide. I found this interesting as I only have space for a little lathe, which I expect is more prone to the wobble effects of the wood being off centre due to lathes lighter weight.
Please keep all the tips and ideas coming. Thanks Lee.
Thank you for watching and commenting Lee. You are of course right, the spped depends on many factors, one of which is lathe size, and the size and weight (balance) of the piece.
Cheers
Mike
Excellent information Mike! Hope all is well on your end!
Thanks Heath, it is all good here mate, hope the same goes for you :)
Hi Mike. thanks for the video. I have learned a lot. Great. Greetings Joerg.
Glad you liked the video Holz.
Take care
Mike
Nice one Mike !!
All the best Andy.
Thank you Andy.
Cheers mate
Mike
Great video. Never enjoyed clunking at low speed and always end up rounding off for her when my daughter is turning because, as you say, it is not a pleasant experience. I'll definitely be experimenting with speed to try to do more turning and less "knocking the corners off"
Many thanks
Glad you enjoyed the video Mike, and thanks for watching.
Great article Mike. When you put that 3 trunk piece on with the bad wobble at 450 I could only think of my lathe which has a minimum speed of 500. I'm getting used to my lathe wandering around with big off balanced pieces.
I think there is a minimum speed we should ideally be looking to achieve on pieces to get that good cut. However what I don't agree with is when people answer in forums, just increase the speed to get a better cut.
As Steve Jones demonstrated turning at around 1000-1200 he could get just as good a finish as going to over 3000 even with using the skew at different angles etc.
Turning too slow especially when turning air can be more dangerous as you risk catches by the tool jabbing in the wood to much.
The pdf you linked suggest 6000 rpm for a 1" spindle. Good finishes can be achieved at 1000 even on pens.
The good thing you covered was going through the wobble barrier which I'm sure most new turners would ever think of.
Great topic and ideal for beginners.
Thank you Paul, as usual, appreciate your thoughts mate.
Take care
Mike
Always an interesting video Mike. This one in particular I found a great help. Started turning about 2 months ago, and this has given me the info I needed to deal with vibration.
Glad you found the video of use Brendon, and thanks for watching and commenting.
This is great stuff, thanks for taking the time to put this together, it really cleared up the whole speed issue for me. Thanks a lot!
Glad you found it useful Per
Cheers
Mike
Thankyou for a very informative video Mike. I will try what you suggest but when you lowest speed is around 540 rpm I have fun chasing the lathe around lol. Saving up for a new one with electronic speed control. Your videos are so helpful thanks again. By the way the kettles still on. Cheers mate
hi John, and thank you. One day hopefully we will share a tea and maybe a biscuit or two ... or three ... or ... lol
Take care
Mike
Great video with excellent safety points. One point I have always been told when turning bowl blanks is that above 1000rpm should there be a problem the blank will go airborne, below that speed it will just drop to the floor and roll away, may catch your ankles but better than your head
Thanks Ian, and good advice from you re the rpms :)
Cheers
Mike
Hello Mike, It was so reassuring to watch it done in real time and listen to the clunk-bounce, clunk-bounce of slow turning on irregularly shaped wood, as opposed to the clinically smooth 5x rate with soothing background music, that so many UA-camrs are obliged to use to shorten the upload to an entertaining length. By contrast, some of my turnings on roadkill wood have felt quite ugly to begin with, although it is getting easier as I am bumping up the starting speed. Even so, I've tended to only go as far as the starting vibration and then back off and so I shall experiment further.
Thanks for the show. It's been a confidence booster. Regards, Glenn. :-)
Hi Glenn and thank you. Regarding the music etc. I , and others use this to shorten what would otherwise be very lengthy and possibly boring videos. In the case of a "tutorial" type video I leave out music, and try to edit as much normal speed as possible. It is a challenge trying to get the right balance.
One day I'll get the balance right, but I seriously doubt it ... lol
Cheers
Mike
Great information and very well explained, Mike. I'm sure a lot of turners, not necessarily just beginners, will benefit from this! Very well done, my friend!
Take care,
…..Gord
Thank you Gord, very much appreciated mate.
Cheers
Mike
I put your demo to the test yesterday with a chunk of Pau Rosa and this dense wood was a nightmare at the lower speeds so I sped it up an yes the vibration stopped but it was a bit scary for a newby like me, turning at that speed but you were exactly right and it was less like turning a house brick!!
Glad you found this of some use Ivor, and thanks for watching.
Thanks for the information, the more I learn the better I hope to get and you contribute to my knowledge quite a bit
Thank you for your very kind words and continued support, they are very much appreciated.
Great vid and informative for the newbie I don’t have a spindle speed counter work a lot by feel and where I feel comfortable and like you always use the tail stock when possible. Thanks for showing Mike
Thanks Nick, every situation requires separate consideration, and common sense. Something I don't ALWAYS employ unfortunately ;)
Great examples. I had a peice explode into two pieces a few days ago barely got revs up and barely touched it and one part hit the sealing and the other stayed on the lathe thank goodness for my protection and fast reflexes but it still scared me a little bit and I took a day off because of it and continued to work yesterday and today on my project which is bowls that are 5 inches around and 3.5 ish inches deep. Plates 7 inches around and were one blank that was two inches thick. now they are around 1/8 inch ish thick but all is going well. I hope all is well with you and keep up the good work.
Thank you Elijah, glad all is good after your explosion. as I know you know we must always be prepared for the unexpexcted ... as far as we can.
Cheers
Mike
Great practical demonstration Mike. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Mike.
Thanks for that Mike, a very interesting and useful demo especially for us newbies in this game
Thank you Ivor.
Mike, very good, thank you. As a new turner the use of certain tools like a parting tool becomes much more likely to catch at slower speeds, I learned the hard way when I used speeds too slow.
Glad you found it useful, striking the right "balance" is the key, but it has to be said that often it just can't be found :)
Very helpful video Mike.
Glad you think so Alan, and thanks for stopping by mate.
I really do like turning between dual steb centers. :-) On my punky little lathe, I find that keeping the tailpiece quill as short as possible helps to lessen vibration.
They are a great asset, and a good tip re the quill too :)
Another great tutorial video a good balance of safety and speed thanks. Definitely going to be trying a little more speed cheers Mike keep up the great work.
Thanks Andrew, I'm happy to hear that you found the video of some use.
Very informative Mike! I learned a lot from this one. My first Ash turning was just a glue block and it nearly beat me to death 😜 I never considered spinning it up. Thanks for another great video.
Thank you Don, I happy to hear that you found it of some use.
Thanks Mike This was very informative, as all of your videos are.
Very much appreciated!
Ed
Glad you found it useful Ed, and thanks for your support.
Take care
Mike
Thanks Mike, excellent info-video. I am new to turning and have to change to different pulley for different speed, but that was my choice. Bigger lathe or convenience of electronic speed control. I chose bigger lathe for bigger bowls with live-edge. Doesn't really take long to change the belt, just can't change speed on-the-fly. Makes it a little scary to possibly go too fast. 300 to 3000 rpm with 8-speed. I just keep my finger on the button in case it wobbles.
Love your videos. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Thanks Charlie, I am aware of the situation of pulley changes, and indeed extra caution is needed for obvious reasons. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks again Mike. Always nervous for us beginners turning through the vibrations...thank you for the advice as always.
Hi Kyle, and thank you for watching, and your support mate.
Very very interesting Mike. Good information taken in...... Love the Tailstock handle. Good idea. Thanks es 73 de MTG.
Thanks Mike glad you enjoyed it mate.
Thanks for the information great video, Mike
Cheers Dave, and thanks for watching mate.
Very helpful and educational - thanks
Hi Hayden, pleased to hear that you found some use in the video.
Thanks for watching
Cheers
Mike
Very good video and a lot of good info, thanks
Thank you Charles.
Great video, and although I've only been turning a short while, I have developed similar responses to different sizes and shapes of wood that I turn. I had a piece that I turned from a hickory and I wonder up putting it on the bandsaw and " fine tuning it" until the limb I was turning reached a point to where I was able to safety finish turning it on the lathe as a spindle project.
Thank you Harry, and a great thought process regarding prepping different pieces, before they go on the lathe.
Great video Mike. I hope you are keeping well mate. Cheers, Jim
Thanks Jim, all god here mate, I hope the same goes for you too.
Cheers
Mike
Lots of really good info in here Mike.
Thank you Mr. Pump :)
Excellent video, very informative thank you
Michael
Thank you Malvern.
Thanks mike
Another great video for us beginners
Keep up the good work
Thanks Simon, glad you found it of some use.
Thanks Mike great info . Take care.
Thank you Glen.
I think this is a great video thanks for doing it
Very interesting video Mike. Unfortunately I only have a 3 speed belt change lathe, 450, 950 & 2000. So I'm reluctant to try things on a higher speed as I don't know what might happen. But I'll definitely be turning small items (pens, wands etc) at a higher speed than I am at the moment.
Caution and common sense are the key Tee, if your not comfortable doing something ... don't do it.
Caution has always been my watch word Mike. You don't get to my age without a major incident by being careless. You'll have guess my age btw. 😁
Very informative Mike. I have the plain Jane lever variable speed from 500 to 2000. Not the heaviest of lathes, And no Captain Eddie hero points for me. It gives me the Bejeezes when the machine wants to dance across the floor. Using your precautions and standing well back, maybe I should see what will push through the vibration.
Thank you Peter, just proceed with caution, and stand out of the line of fire, as you rightly say "no hero moves needed"
Cheers
Mike
Thanks for this Mike, very useful.
My pleasure Maggie, and thank you for watching.
Great video Mike, I have learnt a lot from it, thank you.
Thanks Andy, much appreciated.
brilliant Mike
Thanks Jamie, much appreciated mate.
Great info Mike
Thank you Cortland.
thanks mike very useful information.
Glad you liked the video Manjit.
Cheers
Mike
Thanks for this Mike. Ive always worked on the principle "as fast as I feel comfortable with" and its only let me down twice, both with Quercus homocideus!
Lol William ... looked up you Latin phrase ... no joy ... but I'm sure as usual it was humorous ;)
Cheers
Mike
great tips , thanks for sharing
Thank you Sir! :)
Good informative demo mate !
Cheers, Bram
Thank you Bram, always appreciate you stopping by mate.
Cheers
Mike
Great video. Every informative.
Thank you Adam.
very informative Mike, but for new turners I would be recommending using a roughing gouge to take down to a cylinder. People are already confused with which tool to use for different aspects of tiurning
"People are already confused with which tool to use for different aspects of turning"
You are absolutely right, that's my greatest doubt...
That, and knowing the correct position / angle for each tool.
Hi Wayne and thank you for watching and airing your thoughts. This video was intended purely to demonstrate the effects of speed, not a guide to tool use. But thanks for pointing out the possible misinterpretation, I shall mention this in my next video.
I do also have a beginners guide series which covers the basics on the most commonly used tools if your interested Fernando.
Sorry Wayne, Mike has a lot of Vids in his Playlist about the different tools and the possible use. No need to fall back to the beginning.
Regards
Very nice video!
Thank you.
Another great video, Mike!
Thank you Jon.
Thank you for great tips 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank YOU for watching Tomas.
Very interesting and informative vid Mike..........Regards, JenIan turning.
Thank you Ian.
Excellent Video ! I wish we could talk in person. I'm so glad I found your channel..Thank You !
Thank you Matt, me too mate.
Take care
Mike
Thank you Mike I found this very helpful
My pleasure, and thank you John.
Thanks Mike, a really inciteful video for a new Turner like myself. I'm working on a little old Lathe at the moment that was given to me by my uncle a year ago. It's on a belt system so it just goes Slow, Fast and faster lol depending on which cog the belts on. I hope to upgrade my lathe some time in the near future. Have you any reccomdations on a good make?! 😉 lol. It Was lovely to see you at UKIWS again this year you've been very inspiring to me over the years. I've turned a couple of small goblets and would be honoured if you would have a look at them on my channel. I hope to post a new video soon. Many thanks Kristi.
Hi Kirstie, and thank you for your kind words, and yes it was great to meet up again at UKIWS. I'm off to your channel right now :)
Cheers
Mike
Very nicely done Mike!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you Alan.
Great informative video on speed. I’m often times a bit “scared” to increase beyond the wobble, but i see that i shouldn’t be. Thnks!
Glad you found the video useful Mark, and thanks for watching.
Take care
Mike
Very interesting video Mike. However one thing that I think should have been stressed more is the relative size and weight of your lathe in comparison to a much smaller lathe like a 10 inch Jet for instance.
Thank you Glen, I did actually make a point that the lathe size does have a bareing on the speed you can use.
Gooday Mike.
A good video on turning at the right speed however it should be pointed out that length of timber in spindle turning is another factor that has to be considered.
Another more important point is the soundness of the blank particularly with the prevalence these days of turning cracked and "interesting" stuff.
Hi Ian, and thank you. You are of course right, there are a myriad of variables to take into account before deciding on a final path, and your points are very valid.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts .
Take care
Mike
Thanks for the comprehensive look at speed control. I would be interested in knowing if your philosophy is the same for hollowing out your bowls. Great video!
Thanks for watching Nancy ... yes it is ... withinn safety restraints as with everything.
I know when I first started turning on my Nova Comet, the higher speed scared the crap out of me. Nowadays, I only turn the speed down to sharpen my chisels and gouges (I have the grinding wheel attachment, so the lathe's speed is the grinder's speed).
Thanks for watching and commenting RC.
Cheers
Mike
Hi Mike
Firstly what a great video!! So informative I found the whole thing engrossing most people starting turning will tend to turn at a slower speed just through lack of confidence.
Just a thought I had was.... does the floor your lathe is sitting on make a difference? bearing in mind there are a lot of new turners out there in wooden sheds with wooden floors ? Like myself,which has been an issue for me especially when turning a large bowl bank, but I guess it’s like you say just to use your own judgement, I’ve been turning for a couple of years so I think I have a pretty good judgement of speeds I can achieve in my old shed with a wooden floor without it falling down around my ears.... I hope new turners in their sheds just bear in mind what their lathes first point of contact is and how sturdy that is. Dunno Mike just a thought
Still the best mate
Cheers Sean
Thank you Sean ... you are of course right, there are many factors that affect stability, and that is one of them.
Thanks for your thoughts mate.
Cheers
Mike
Thanks for this, Mike. I would also like to know how you personally feel about limits when turning a bowl using a scroll chuck. In one Richard Raffan video, he turns the speed up to 1,800 rpm.
I personally feel you should turn within your comfort zone, gain confidence, then experiment, with caution. Each turner and situation depend on so many variables.
Thanks for watching and commenting Kim.