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Woodturning - A Guide to Sanding
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- Опубліковано 19 лип 2019
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Thank you for sharing this Mike. Yes, guilty of most of the common errors you point out, especially given that personally, I hate all abrasive work, so I get it done as fast as possible. Recently I've been sanding back a slot of coloured projects to get that base, shabby look and end up with significant radial banding of the colour. The only way to eliminate this is sanding with the grain as you recommend. I only ever use an inertia sander these days as I've noticed using an electric drill knackers the gears - that's what all those rattles are if you ever have the same issue. Also worth mentioning that in my experience, not worth buying cheap abrasives. I've tried several and none have lived up to minimum expectation. Thanks again you have inspired me to be more patient and carry out abrasive work more diligently!
Thank you for your kind words William, and now I know what that rattling sound is from my drill I shall be wary of using it ... may get a cheap corded one for the occasional times I use one. Appreciate that tip/warning.
Take care
Mike
This video just saved my hobby. I was getting so disheartened with sanding my pieces that it was making the hobby unenjoyable. The advice in this video is a lifeline for my turning.
Thank you for posting this tutorial!
I just started turning last year in August
and sanding is the BANE of my life now.
Radial marks like you wouldn't believe
but this simple explanation helps a lot.
Thank you again, I'll be getting into the
shop fully motivated to remove my marks!
Cheers!!
Glad to be of service and thanks for watching and commenting.
Every day is a school day in Mikes workshop, thanks for sharing your methods 👍
Lol Andy ... thanks mate much appreciated.
Cheers
Mike
Thank you. That was excellent. Always good to have refresher about sanding. I have used inertia sander in past but got away from it. I will start using again. Love your videos.
Thank you Donald.
Again, my coffee got cold!!! Thanks for a very good video, Mike, I have always had trouble sanding my pieces. It got to where I hate finishing, but now I have a new perspective on how to go at it. I got several "tips" and I am anxious to get out there and try them. I am sure they will be helpful. Thanks again. Looking forward to the next "tip" video!
LOL Alan.
glad you enjoyed the video and found it of some use.
Take care
Mike
Not having an air system, I have gone to using 1.5 inch nylon bristled paint brush between sanding grits. The brush is medium to higher end in price, but does a fine job of removing the grit dust. I have used the same brush for over a year now and expect it will go 2 or 3 more years. I also agree that the use of denatured alcohol is a good thing. Do love your channel and the way you present. Happy turning.
Thanks karol, the brush method works well too ... providing you give it a good "de dust" before moving on :)
Take care
Mike
Nice clear explanation Mike, and a great tip about using meths in between grits 👍
Thank you much appreciated.
As I have said before Mike, you do post really useful tips. I have been turning since January this year and have relied on many of your u tube posts. Many thanks
Thank you Mark much appreciated.
Brilliant Mike, loads of good practice both for beginners and the more experienced turners
Thank you Wayne I appreciate you saying that mate.
Cheers
Mike
Thanks Mike for another very informative video, what a good "teacher" you are! I always look forward to your videos, carry on the good work.
Your very kind words are much appreciated John.
Thanks for watching
Cheers
Mike
Thank you dear Mike. You really are a great teacher. Have an awesome week and take care as always from South Africa
You are very kind Val and thank you.
Cheers
Mike
Just took my lathe out of its box ... this is very helpful thank you 🙌 saved it for reference 😁
Enjoy your turning journey.
@@MikeWaldt thank you Mike
Some very valuable lessons there, Mike. Well worth the folks who are starting out (and probably some who have been at it a while, lol) taking note and heeding the advice.
Thank you Matt much appreciated mate
Cheers
Mike
That was a brilliant video. Just finishing my third bowl and need to resand the first 2 now I have a clue what I am doing. Cheers
Thanks Stephen glad you found the video of interest.
Thanks Mike.....love these videos.
Thank you Stephen, I am very pleased that you find these videos enjoyable.
Take care
Mike
An excellent and timely video. Thanks for explaining your process so well. I think even those who should know better get into bad habits. It doesn’t matter whether we like a glass like “fake plastic” finish, semi satin or Matt, we should all concentrate on getting a smooth blemish free surface. Cheers for spending the time on this for us.
Thank you Graham, as always your watching and commenting is very much appreciated mate.
Take care
Mike
Great advice Mike! I tried using DNA today and the finish was the best I have achieved. Thank you again for all your information. Very helpful as always.
Hi Dan, so glad to hear that you found the video of some use.
Thanks for watching
Cheers
Mike
Thank you, Mike! I'm the guy that wants to 'hurry up' the end of the turning process! Between you and Kim Tippin I am slowing down to do it the 'proper' way. I needed to see this to come to a better finishing technique. Thanks again!
Glad you found the video useful Robert.
Take care
Mike
I use the inertia sander and it does, as you say, a great job. I have found that it can help, on difficult wood, to sand both by hand and use the inertia sander, since you are then sanding in both directions. They ramned into my head, when I was an apprentice, in the 60's, sand with the grain for stain, varnishing and cross the grain for painting to give a key.
Thanks for a very instructive video on a very important topic, including the H&E aspect.
James
Hi James and thank you. Some good tips from you too mate :)
Thanks for watching
Cheers
Mike
Thanks Mike! As a new turner this helps tremendously with my current problems in finishing.
Glad you found the video of some use Bryan
Cheers
Mike
Fantastic video, on a lot of videos sanding is considered the “boring part” and is skipped over so a lot of newer turners that are especially those without clubs close to them definitely have the tendency to rush through that process thinking that it’s less important. And it’s quite the contrary. Sanding isa very important part of the process. This video really shows some great techniques to achieve those great finishes. As always it’s a real pleasure to watch your videos Mike. Cheers
Thank you Jerimiah, i really appreciate your kind and supportive words.
Take care
Mike
Excellent advice mate. I learned alot about sanding. I will look in to an inertia sander, they seem like a brilliant tool, I've been googling wood turning inspiration. I was definitely inspired. Thankyou.
Cheers from Australia.
Thank you very much for your kind words Nicky.
Excellent and very informative. Very helpful. Thanks
Thanks Donald I'm happy to hear that you found the video useful. Take care. Mike
Another excellent and informative video!
Thank you 👍🏽
Thank you Bennie much appreciated
Cheers
Mike
Thanks for sharing this, I have just got an inertia sander and it makes so much difference. I didn’t realise you needed it on a high speed so thanks for the information
Glad you found the video useful, if you use a higher speed ... use less pressure.
thanks for watching
Cheers
Mike
PS - The speed does depend a lot on the size of piece that you are working on too.
Thank you Mike! With the inertia sander life can be so much easier. And I agree with you on the Sandpaper. Use it once and toss it!
Glad you concur with my thoughts Tracy, and thanks for watching
Cheers
Mike
Thank you Mike. This video has really brought many things to light and explained very clearly. Cheers.
Glad to hear you found the video of interest Mark, and thanks for watching
Cheers
Mike
You're a good teacher Mike . Thanks for the great info. take care .
Thank you Glen, your kind words are much appreciated.
Cheers
Mike
Some very good information here Mike. I think you have just made a vast improvement in my sanding technique. I have been applying way too much pressure. Also I will now air and alcohol clean between each grit. Also I have the Sorby sander but didn't know how to best use it. I just watched Simon Hopes video on his sander which I think will help with the Sorby. If it doesn't then there will be a Simon Hope sander in my future. Thank you for sharing.
Glad you found the video useful Glen, and thank you for watching.
Cheers
Mike
Awesome explanation, Mike! I'm sure many of us will improve our work after watching this video. Thanks for sharing your expertise, my friend!
Take care,
.....Gord
Thank you Gord .. it is a case of do as I say NOT as I do, as I often tend to rush this sanding lark!!
Take care my friend
Cheers
Mike
I didn't know that about an inertia sander. I have used one, also power sanding. I recently started doing more hand sanding. Was surprised to find what got removed with light or even pressure sanding. Thanks Mike, I will try more of your method.
Hi Joseph, there are many ways to achieve the same result.
As I always say if it works for you ... it's the right way ;)
Thanks for watching
Take care
Mike
Great information thanks bud. 👍🏻
However I'm far too tight to throw away abrasives until they are dead. 😉 So I've taken to using abranet from 80 to 240.
Thanks Simon ... and a huge LMFAO re the Abranet!!!! :) :)
Cheers
Mike
Awesome tips Mike, I'm goig to apply your method on my next project. I just order my inertia sander too....it will help tons sanding thru thr grits more effectively and less time too...Cheers :)
Thanks Danny glad you found the video of some use.
Thanks Mike great video your never too old to learn a new trick,😉👍👍
Thank you Barry ... very true my friend very true :)
Cheers
Mike
Hi Mike,
Thank you for another great, informative video! Yep, I think I violated all or your standards, before I watched this video. I have just completed a small turned box from another of your videos, and used all or your sanding techniques and it turned out great.
I’d like to wander on and make a few observations. Your recommendation for a uniform sanding pressure through all grits was the most helpful to me. I was guilty of “If a little pressure is good, a lot must be better!” Your way works much better. I did often clean between grits, but now I clean as meticulously as you do. Sanding sealer? I’d tried it before using a major US brand, got awful results and swore it off forever. I bought a can of Milands Cellulose sanding sealer and it works great.
One thing that you stress in your turning videos, but didn't mention here is to keep your tools as sharp as possible, and use the best tool and technique to get the best finish on the wood before you start sanding. I'm still a beginner, but getting better from watching your videos. When I first started I treated sandpaper as another turning tool instead of as a finishing tool.
A couple of comments about chemicals. I’d been using 91% isopropyl , but I bought a can of denatured alcohol and tried it. I didn’t care for it. It seems to dry out the wood and raise the nap of the wood more than the isopropyl does. In addition, the methanol (>30%) in the denatured alcohol is 2-4 times more toxic than isopropyl and can be absorbed through the skin. (Though I wear disposable nitrile gloves when I use any finishing product.)
In addition, the isopropyl works well to thin the Milands Cellulose sanding sealer. The safety data sheet for Milands showed that it is 30-50% isopropyl so I thought that a bit more wouldn’t hurt.
Finally, back to the main theme of this comment: Thank you Mike for a great video!
Thank you for the in depth info Ernesto very interesting. I think we all have our preferences, but we have to try different things to be able to make a final choice.
Thanks for watching and your kind words.
Take care
Mike
Another very good video from mike thanks for your lessons - all the best ian
Thanks Ian much appreciated mate.
Cheers
Mike
You just taught me so much. Thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!! 🙂❤️
Good stuff Mike, I blow my work off between grits but I will adopt the rub down with Meths Thanks as always for a very informative video.
Thank you Peter much appreciated
Cheers
Mike
Good information Mike. Thank you. I wish I had seen something like this before I attacked sanding with the trial and error method!
Glad you found the video useful Eric, and thanks for watching
Cheers
Mike
Mr Waldt sir thank you for that video, my Achilles heal was getting rid of the scratch marks mostly because my sanding skills were inaccurate. Thanks for showing how to sort it out
Hi Kuba, glad you found the video of some use.
Cheers
Mike
Excellent video
Thank you Leroy.
Another top video Mike,very well explaind buddy!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks very much Alan
Cheers
Mike
Just to give my input. When sanding i use a 50/50 lamp oil & liquid floor wax, so no air born dust, starting 120, clean with a paper towel between grits, ( this cleans off any loose grits from previous grits). Sanding 600 & 800 no mix, then sanding sealer etc This works for me
Thanks for your input much appreciated.
Always a pleasure to watch.
You answered this in a video but cant remember which one. What do you use for sanding sealer?
Interesting subject Mike. Certainly agree that people really don't realise that often all the prep for the finishing takes quite a lot of time up.
If you're using DNA between each grit on hand sanding then why not between when using a bowl sander?
Personally for me I rarely use the DNA for cleaning up as the sanding sealer does a similar job due to the thinners etc.
I don't throw all sandpaper away as odd bits are often useful for other jobs around the shop.
Hi Paul and thank you. I think everyone has there own methods for doing things, and all I'm doing here is relaying my personal method, just for the newer turner to consider.
Thanks for watching mate
Cheers
Mike
Another informative video - very useful info. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed the video Mr Peedlebum! ;)
Thanks for watching
Cheers
Mike
Mike you da man. Sanding is my least favorite part of turning. I always learn watching you. Thanks for sharing
Lol Ricky thanks for watching mate
Cheers
Mike
Cheers Mike, I had watched your previous video on sanding and this is another welcome addition. Only question I had was echoing another viewer re speed for larger pieces ie 10 -12" bowl
Thank you John, Gor a bowl of that size I would personally inertia sand around the 800 mark, that's just me though :)
Take care
Mike
Guilty as charged Thanks Mike !
lol ... you are not alone I assure you ... I am a "rusher" on occasion ;)
Thanks for watching
Cheers
Mike
thanks great vid you are so right about the dust
Glad you liked the video
Cheers
Mike
You'd think it to be a no brainer to use the same pressure throughout the process.
Like you said though, some people can't wait to see the end result.
Good info and tut, mate, cheers. 👍
Thanks Bill, I must admit that I find myself NOT doing the even pressure thing when I'm thinking of other things while sanding ;)
Cheers
Mike
Thanks Mike for the great info. as always.
Cheers Gary and thanks for watching
Take care
Mike
Another excellent vid Mike thanks for sharing may try that meths thing see how it go
Thanks Nick much appreciated mate
Cheers
Mike
Superb advice mate .
Cheers, Bram
Cheers Bram, much appreciated mate.
Take care
Mike
very informative video Mike, thanks for putting it out
Thanks John appreciate that mate
Cheers
Mike
Do you have a video showing how to do wet sanding and what do you use as a moisture. This video was very informative; a lot of your methods I already used. Great tips, I will pick up no the methods I haven't been using. Thanks
I have never wet sanded Randy ... but a lot of people do. Carl Jacobson mainly wet sands so I would suggest you check his channel out and see the way he does it.
Thanks for watching
Cheers
Mike
Hi Mike...informative video...inertia sanding is the way to go...going to try to make one being a cheap Jack and all.....All the best.....Andy
Thank you Andy ... I'm sure with your skills it'll be every bit as effective as a shop bought one mate :)
Take care
Mike
Great video Mike Thankyou for sharing. Took a few things out of it maybe I might get a better finish. P.s I'm on my second kettle now Cheers mate
Thank you John ... hopefully one day we will share a tea or two :)
Cheers
Mike
Great info, Mike. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Cammie much appreciated
Cheers
Mike
When you use an inertia sander, do you use methelated spirits between grits? And thank you very much for making this video.
Hi Mike. I have the same question as Don. I noticed you didn't use it with the methelated spirits.
I address these questions in the follow up video ... sorry I didn't make it clearer in this one :)
Take care
Mike
Mike, Great video. You mentioned that your sanding sealer was a 50/50 mix of something and I didn’t catch what it was. Could you please fill that in for me? I believe you said it was a mix of sanding sealer and something else. Thanks. Cathy
It was Cellulose Sanding Sealer 🙂
Good info Mike thank you.
Thanks for watching Peter
Cheers
Mike
Thanks for video. I haven’t been using alcohol between grits but can see the value and will start using it. I also use an inertia sander where possible. Did you also use alcohol between the grits or is it not necessary? When denibbing how important is it to use a finer grit e.g. keep different grits for different uses etc.inertia sanding needs a certain pressure “just to work” so using a similar pressure with each grit is normal but it’s good to be reminded about being consistent - thanks.
Good tutorial Mike
Thanks Sam ... stay safe my friend.
@@MikeWaldt I am doing a remote on sanding and finishing next week. Wish me luck Sam
@@WYOMINGWOODTURNER The very best of luck Sam, wish I could sit in my friend.
@@MikeWaldt Did my demo....it all went well and was well received. I was pleasantly surprised given the topic. But sanding and finishing are important-as you know. Be safe. Sam
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
Thank you for watching and my pleasure Gwynne :)
Cheers
Mike
Mike, when you used the inertia sander, did you wipe with spirits between grits? Wouldn't the grit fallout from the previous grits still be trapped in the grain? Thanks.
I rarely do when inertia sanding Frank, as I believe the higher speed that I use compared to traditional sanding, seems to through the residual out.
Thanks for sharing
Thank you for watching Mitchell
Cheers
Mike
Hello Mr Waldt...Can you (or anyone) explain the difference between something like Minwax sanding sealer and a cellulose sealer like Mylands? Minwax seems to change color and separate after a while, I guess because of the solvent. Is one markedly better than the other?
I've never used Minwax, but the Cellulose Sanding Sealer I use needs a good shake if left for any length of time.
Appreciate your teachings. I would like to try incorporating copper strips/pieces into wood turning. Have you tried inserting copper or other metal into a segmented piece and/or into a turned bowl,box etc.?
Thank you.
Thanks David. I have never done the copper wire thing, but have always meant to give it a try ... maybe one day I'll get around to doing it! ;)
Take care and thanks for watching
Mike
Thank you for producing this video Mike. Radial marks have always been a problem for me. I will try your method. Where do you get the squirty bottle that you use for sanding sealer? Thanks Mike
Glad you found the video useful Mike ... the "squirty" bottle was bought at a Garden Centre mate :)
Take care
Mike
Great video Mike. Sometimes you forget about the finer steps of a very crucial part of wood turning, or any woodworking for that matter. Do you use a clean section of paper towel when wiping down the piece between each grit with the dna?
Thank you Scott. yes I always use a clean area of the towel, and sometimes even a fresh towel!!!!! ;)
Take care
Mike
Hi Mike, great video! I went straight out and got an inertia sander. Question: what kind of powered dust mask is that?
Thank you it's the Axminster Evolution AP10.
@@MikeWaldt Thanks for your reply! Are you happy with the AP10? I’ve been steeling myself to get the Versaflo.
@@Sailor_Greg Very happy, the Versaflow was over my budget, but ideally I would have that instead.
Hi Mike, Another great instructional video. I have only ever used Meths after finishing all grits but will now use between every grit. One question in that I was always taught to sand at around 500 rpm even with an inertia sander. Does 1000 rpm not make the "scratches" more prevalent on the work piece? Cheers, Huw
Thanks Huw. I have never had an issue with the speed, but will try your suggestion and see if I prefer it.
Thanks for watching mate
Cheers
Mike
Do you not still need to wipe off the dust between grits with the inertia sander?
I have never found it necessary when inertia sanding Ethan.
Très intéressant
Merci pour les bons conseils
Thank YOU for watching Luc :)
Cheers
Miker
Radial lines have been the bane of my existence so I will definitely be trying these out. Do you do anything differently for small pieces with lots of very tight, concave edges? I find that's been the biggest problem for me since it's tough to apply even, light pressure while getting in there.
Hi Smockey I tend to use the same procedure whatever size the piece. Take xare. Mike.
Just watched your sanding video found it very interesting. I have a question about dust extraction, the extraction pipe and the funnel where did you get it from as I have been looking to get one like it but can not seem to find anything.
Thank you David.
I got mine from Axminster Tools and Machinery years ago, I'm not sure if they still sell them, but I think Record Power do one.
Hope this helps
Cheers
Mike
un video muy útil, muchas gracias por compartir
Thank YOU very much for watching Tonatiuh
Cheers
Mike
Thanks for the video Mike very informative but one question do you through away the sanding disks when doing inertia sanding after each grit?
I usually use the discs twice maybe three times, but it does depend on the amount of sanding I have done and the size of the piece being sanded ... if you see what I mean :)
Cheers
Mike
Hello Mike, I bought the Hope sanding pro a couple of years or so ago, (UKIws), and haven't used it yet. Oops! Maybe it's time to unbox it and put matters right. Good show. By the way, are you rebuilding your collection of cutting tools up the back there? Regards, Glenn. :-)
Hi Glenn ... and a big lol re the "not having unboxed the sander" YET!!! :) :)
Thanks for watching mate
Cheers
Mike
lovely video Mike, so i should start at 120 and not 60 ? And about what speed should the lathe go for a 10'' diameter bowl, Thank you Mart
Mart to start roughing out? Is the blank balanced?
@@colez4651 No, Mike said he sanded that bowl at 1000rpm, so i ask about a ten inch bowl when sanding, nothing to do with roughing out, this video is about sanding
If your using an inertia sander around the 800 rpm for a 10" bowl is my preference, but whatever you feel comfortable with is the best :)
120/180 is a good starting grit in my opinion.
Cheers
Mike
Hi mike
I know it’s it in this video but previously I’ve seen u using glue sticks to bond a piece for turning
- what glue sticks do you use ?
Thanks mike
Hi Mikey, I have always used the 9mm glue sticks from Axminster Tools and Machinery, without issue ... to date :)
Take care
Mike
Great tips
Thank you
Cheers
Mike
Although you said to clean the surface between each grit you didn't show that step using the inertia sander. Is it still needed?
I usually only clean off with meths after the last grit when inertia sanding Gil, I explain why in the follow up video, but didn't in this one, the old memory you know ;)
Take care
Mike
@@MikeWaldt I watched the followup video. I should have deleted my comment here afterwards. Memory troubles here as well.
Thanks for sharing that
Thank YOU for watching Hassan
Cheers
Mike
You don't need denatured alcohol with the inertia sander?
was wondering that my self
Me too. I think he probably does clean between each grit. I've being cleaning only after all grits are done, but think I need to do it each grit from now on. I'll need to buy denatured alcohol by the gallon from now on!
@@thefish5861 I use 91% rubbing alcohol. It works.
Hi Nathan, I neglected to say that as you are sanding at more than twice the speed when using an inertia sander, using Meths is not as critical. The reason is that the centrifugal force ejects more of the grit from the piece.
Cheers
Mike
@@MikeWaldt Thank for all your help Mike. I will need to buy me an inertia sander.
Very nice sanding tutorial. I am guilty on all counts. Not enough patience...not enough attention to detail. Task Lighting also not good in my lathe area. So I need to make some changes.
Thank you Bill appreciate you watching my friend.
We are all guilty on occasion I assure you ;)
Take care
Mike