Yesterday May 4, a FedEx flight had something going on at San Diego International KSAN that closed runway 27 and taxi way C for about 30min. Emergency vehicles were also on the runway. I have seen nothing on the news, airport PIO, or FedEx. Just wondering if you had anything. Edit this was between 5:15 and 5:45pm West Coast time
The slow zoom into Tasman1 just coming into frame, "seeing" the chaos ahead and saying "uuuuuh Centre we'd like to go to Melbourne please" is just too funny to me
For added context, Sydney is the biggest Australian airport, with the SYD-MEL route the 2nd busiest air route in the world, and the SYD-BNE route the 8th busiest. It had a massive knock on affect for all other Australian airports too!
@@MarksTournaments The busiest Domestic routes are the all busier than the top international routes, hence why i put in the world. I used these 2 sources which both say SYD-BNE is 8th. I guess it comes back to that old quote, "there are 3 types of lies. Lies, damned lies and statistics." www.traveller.com.au/worlds-busiest-airline-flight-routes-melbournesydney-now-worlds-second-busiest-h0e7ha and thenewdaily.com.au/life/travel/2019/03/27/busiest-flight-routes-australia/
@@Speedster___ most times, 2-3 folks should go down the stairs at a time so no one trips and gets hurt..or, just remain where you are until the alarm stops.
Was at the airport during this evacuation waiting for a flight. Watched the fire service without knowing what was going on. Short delay to departure, no dramas.
@@rawexplorer8373 I believe if this was a test alarm they wouldnt have evacuated the tower. (I know all tests evacuated, but not in the ATC Tower. Because this come with a lot's of plus cost to the airlines.)
this is why communication is key. after the controller aired on freq what was occurring, pilots made every effort to land quickly. everyone working together to mitigate an unusual event. love it.
I was at the Qantas business class lounge at the time at T1. waiting for my flight FJ911 from Nadi to land, I remember me sitting next to a tv with Flightradar24 on my iPad, I saw on the TV that the ATC was evacuated, It was a bit weird. My flight was still on hold circling around the sea. Luckily There wasn’t a delay for my flight to Nadi. I had a feeling that our flight will be delayed for like 30 minutes. But no delay.
Quantas 118 this is Air traffic control declaring a fire emergency, requesting vectors to the nearest exit. Air traffic control turn left heading 270, begin decent down the stairs and we’ll have fire and medical meet you there. Speed at your discretion.
Heads up on jfk tower just ordered Kuwait airlines 117 to go around harshly after he did not give proper read backs. Sounded pretty tense for a second you might want to check it out.
At 09:36 the approach controller gives the option to land at Sydney on a MBZ (Mandatory Broadcast Zone) basis, essentially a non-controlled airport procedure where aircraft broadcast their position and intentions on a common frequency. Aircraft become responsible for their own separation and sequencing. I wonder if any commercial airliners used this option?
Regional airlines in Australia do use this often at class G (CTAF) airports. Many controlled airports are also operational during certain (daylight) hours only, and revert to CTAF after hours... All pilots should be well aware of the procedures. ...
An Air Force Hercules who was in the area helped out too www.airforce.gov.au/news-and-events/news/air-force-c-130j-hercules-trojan-55-supports-sydney-air-traffic-control
Can I just say I admire your professionalism and cool headed thinking during this crisis? I now must fly to Australia and bring you doughnuts and beer.
Diverting to Wollongong (Albion Park Airport) would have been fun, seeing as the Airport Open Weekend's on right now (Historic Aircraft Museum). Not a very long runway either and pretty minimal passenger handling capability (definitely NO International capability)
Just curious but if you are a pilot aircraft, wouldn’t you just land vfr since when the tower closes I assume it’s like usa where it becomes Unicom or class E
8:12 Is it even allowed to file a flight plan without alternate? I thought planning for alternate and having enough fuel for it (on top of reserves) was mandatory.
yep, ref. from 2013 - pg80 www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2013/aair/ao-2013-100/ Code grey forecast The ICAO Annex 3 - Meteorological Service for International Air Navigation does not permit the inclusion in a TAF of a probability of less than 30 per cent that a weather phenomenon, such as fog, may occur during the forecast period. In order to provide some airline operators an advance notice about such low probability weather conditions that may interrupt flight operations, the BoM issues an aerodrome weather briefing (AWB) product and, if applicable, a ‘code grey’ forecast. When a TAF is issued that is valid for the period 1800 to 2400 UTC (0400-1000 EST), any current ‘code grey’ forecast is superseded by that TAF. The availability of a code grey forecast is unique to Australia, and is used to highlight the possibility of weather conditions that airline operators may wish to consider in terms of flight planning. They are typically used in long haul operations due to the extended flight time between departure and arrival. **There is no regulatory requirement to carry alternate aerodrome fuel in the case of a code grey forecast and they are not routinely referred to by short haul flight crew or in the construction of flight plans for short haul domestic operations. **As such, there was no requirement for the crews of Velocity 1384 or Qantas 735 to obtain or account for a code grey forecast in their fuel planning for Adelaide. Additionally, the AWB for Adelaide included the potential for fog by way of a code grey, but the TAF issued at 1800 did not forecast fog. Based on the procedure that any current code grey is superseded by the 1800 to 2400 UTC TAF, the TAF issued at 1800 UTC for Adelaide would normally cancel the code grey forecast.
This reminds me of what happened when they had the earthquake in Alaska a few months ago they had to evacuate the tower and Anchorage and the tower staff literally evacuated the tower using portable air-to-ground radio coordinated go-arounds and other movement while outside for a. Of time it was the commercial version of Oshkosh
@@drmayeda1930 that was a quake in another location I think it was either Indonesia or the Philippines where one of the controllers stayed too long once the Quake started he couldn't get out in time started
Scary really to think it can be permitted. I was taught early in to my PPL that you always have an alternative and know where you’re going to go if you have adverse wx etc. it seemed like they really had no idea where they were diverting to and my point was even though they hadn’t filed it, it doesn’t appear they briefed either. Thanks for your videos, VAS - they’re consistently great.
I have zero idea what are the proceedures, but maybe the flight was short, and with enough fuel, so they knew weather can't really suddenly change (and they knew it already on departure), plus abundance of airports they could divert to, so they didn't put it explicitly? Still weird tho.
Do you have atc from Fort Lauderdale international airport and Fort Lauderdale executive airport! This week is our air show and would love to hear all they’ve said
I thought when you file a flight plan you are supposed to have a divert airport planned. I guess I was wrong, I was just a bit surprised that Air Calin didn't have a backup plan.
At 1:06, sounds like he says "Via either a left base or Kurnell" rather than "or final" - Kurnell is a neighbouring geographical area (the peninsula on the other side of Botany Bay from the airport) Could be wrong, but definitely sounds like a "k" sound there.
*A round of applause to these controllers and pilots!*
Great job!
Yesterday in Jacksonville Florida a 737 skidded off the runway into shallow water, might be a good video idea.
Gitmo gotmo!
Lane Hammond It was at an Air Force base so my guess is atc won’t be publicly available
So, do you know if there was an actual fire?
Yesterday May 4, a FedEx flight had something going on at San Diego International KSAN that closed runway 27 and taxi way C for about 30min. Emergency vehicles were also on the runway. I have seen nothing on the news, airport PIO, or FedEx. Just wondering if you had anything. Edit this was between 5:15 and 5:45pm West Coast time
Tower: mayday mayday mayday, this is tower we are evacuating due to a fire alarm
Aircraft: roger, please expedite your evacuation
How many souls in the tower and how many gallons of coffee?
Tracy Timberlake 😂
@@tracytimberlake6588 too many souls, not enough coffee.
Tower go around
Aircraft: I see the fire!
The slow zoom into Tasman1 just coming into frame, "seeing" the chaos ahead and saying "uuuuuh Centre we'd like to go to Melbourne please" is just too funny to me
For added context, Sydney is the biggest Australian airport, with the SYD-MEL route the 2nd busiest air route in the world, and the SYD-BNE route the 8th busiest. It had a massive knock on affect for all other Australian airports too!
Thank you, Bryan! :)
SYD - MEL is the 2nd busiest (domestic) air route but SYD - BNE is the 12th, not 8th.
@@MarksTournaments The busiest Domestic routes are the all busier than the top international routes, hence why i put in the world. I used these 2 sources which both say SYD-BNE is 8th. I guess it comes back to that old quote, "there are 3 types of lies. Lies, damned lies and statistics." www.traveller.com.au/worlds-busiest-airline-flight-routes-melbournesydney-now-worlds-second-busiest-h0e7ha and thenewdaily.com.au/life/travel/2019/03/27/busiest-flight-routes-australia/
I had no idea that SYD-MEL was the second busiest air route in the world! What's the first?
@@SamanthaM It's Jiju-Seoul. Apparently Jeju is a South Korean resort island I believe
This is what happens when ATCs perform an emergency descend (down the stairs).
I call that a job well done. Keep it up😃👍🏻
Lol
@@Speedster___ most times, 2-3 folks should go down the stairs at a time so no one trips and gets hurt..or, just remain where you are until the alarm stops.
Was at the airport during this evacuation waiting for a flight. Watched the fire service without knowing what was going on. Short delay to departure, no dramas.
Now you know what happened and how it all was handled :D
Recalling it now, I remember the air ambulance doing a full stop on the runway.
Same 😂
*This is when the controllers declared an emergency.*
(Thank you guys for this so many likes!)
LogRol Hmm I wonder if it was actually a fire Or just a false alarm
@@rawexplorer8373 I believe if this was a test alarm they wouldnt have evacuated the tower. (I know all tests evacuated, but not in the ATC Tower. Because this come with a lot's of plus cost to the airlines.)
this is why communication is key. after the controller aired on freq what was occurring, pilots made every effort to land quickly. everyone working together to mitigate an unusual event. love it.
This video is quite a masterpiece of perfectly timed edits. Fantastic work, as always!!!
Thanks! :)
I was at the Qantas business class lounge at the time at T1. waiting for my flight FJ911 from Nadi to land, I remember me sitting next to a tv with Flightradar24 on my iPad, I saw on the TV that the ATC was evacuated, It was a bit weird. My flight was still on hold circling around the sea. Luckily There wasn’t a delay for my flight to Nadi. I had a feeling that our flight will be delayed for like 30 minutes. But no delay.
Quantas 118 this is Air traffic control declaring a fire emergency, requesting vectors to the nearest exit.
Air traffic control turn left heading 270, begin decent down the stairs and we’ll have fire and medical meet you there. Speed at your discretion.
Qantas 118,we are losing a bit of control because of big danny
qantas 118:Alpha Tango Charlie Slow speed to 1 knots and wait for big danny to finish
It's so cute that g'day is like an official greeting.
Sean Haggard As an Aussie, it is an official greeting.
We need to thank Australians for g'day & no worries.
Not like an official greeting. Lol. It is the greeting.
Heads up on jfk tower just ordered Kuwait airlines 117 to go around harshly after he did not give proper read backs. Sounded pretty tense for a second you might want to check it out.
Just listened to it. Will work on that ;)
Awesome thank you!
Great video and editing as always, keep it up Victor!
Thanks for watching!
A RAAF c-130J from RAAF Richmond (western suburbs of sydney) ended up performing ATC duties during this period.
Relaying instructions from controllers on the ground.
At 09:36 the approach controller gives the option to land at Sydney on a MBZ (Mandatory Broadcast Zone) basis, essentially a non-controlled airport procedure where aircraft broadcast their position and intentions on a common frequency. Aircraft become responsible for their own separation and sequencing. I wonder if any commercial airliners used this option?
Regional airlines in Australia do use this often at class G (CTAF) airports.
Many controlled airports are also operational during certain (daylight) hours only, and revert to CTAF after hours...
All pilots should be well aware of the procedures. ...
Yes they did - but it wasn’t included on the video .. ::
Yes. Several diverted to other major airports, but many of the commercials did land under the MBZ conditions
An Air Force Hercules who was in the area helped out too
www.airforce.gov.au/news-and-events/news/air-force-c-130j-hercules-trojan-55-supports-sydney-air-traffic-control
Can I just say I admire your professionalism and cool headed thinking during this crisis? I now must fly to Australia and bring you doughnuts and beer.
Don't worry about the doughnuts, but feel free to bring a pizza....with the beer.....maaaate!
And you being a sheila and all,....bring some freinds...
Can you get the ATC that crashed in the lake of Florida by any chance
It was a military base, so that's unlikely.
I’ll give you the transcript. Cleared to land runway 1Right. Roger cleared to land........oh fuck! Splosh. Uh oh.
Great job, interesting listening.
🇦🇺👍
Mayday, Mayday, this is Tower, we’re on fire...
This is quantas 1234, copy mayday, say your intentions :D
Buenas, habrá vídeo de los incidentes en LEBL..???
Muy buen vídeo como siempre.
Diverting to Wollongong (Albion Park Airport) would have been fun, seeing as the Airport Open Weekend's on right now (Historic Aircraft Museum). Not a very long runway either and pretty minimal passenger handling capability (definitely NO International capability)
yes, but it's just used as a waypoint outbound to the south of Sydney. it has an NDB so it's a navigation waypoint
"Guess I picked the wrong day to stop doing meth"
Definitely the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Yes, the shit is really hitting the fan.
Must've cook the meth in the microwave.
Just curious but if you are a pilot aircraft, wouldn’t you just land vfr since when the tower closes I assume it’s like usa where it becomes Unicom or class E
Wow! Cool capture!
8:12 Is it even allowed to file a flight plan without alternate? I thought planning for alternate and having enough fuel for it (on top of reserves) was mandatory.
yep, ref. from 2013 - pg80 www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2013/aair/ao-2013-100/
Code grey forecast
The ICAO Annex 3 - Meteorological Service for International Air Navigation does not permit the inclusion in a TAF of a probability of less than 30 per cent that a weather phenomenon, such as fog, may occur during the forecast period. In order to provide some airline operators an advance notice about such low probability weather conditions that may interrupt flight operations, the BoM issues an aerodrome weather briefing (AWB) product and, if applicable, a ‘code grey’ forecast. When a TAF is issued that is valid for the period 1800 to 2400 UTC (0400-1000 EST), any current ‘code grey’ forecast is superseded by that TAF.
The availability of a code grey forecast is unique to Australia, and is used to highlight the possibility of weather conditions that airline operators may wish to consider in terms of flight planning. They are typically used in long haul operations due to the extended flight time between departure and arrival. **There is no regulatory requirement to carry alternate aerodrome fuel in the case of a code grey forecast and they are not routinely referred to by short haul flight crew or in the construction of flight plans for short haul domestic operations. **As such, there was no requirement for the crews of Velocity 1384 or Qantas 735 to obtain or account for a code grey forecast in their fuel planning for Adelaide. Additionally, the AWB for Adelaide included the potential for fog by way of a code grey, but the TAF issued at 1800 did not forecast fog. Based on the procedure that any current code grey is superseded by the 1800 to 2400 UTC TAF, the TAF issued at 1800 UTC for Adelaide would normally cancel the code grey forecast.
Shamelessly commenting to keep track of this valuable info.
agusti92 Above report is worth having a read, it’s about an incident of unforecasted fog which caused two aircraft to divert and land below minima.
@@trcalculus Thank you! That's an interesting bit of information.
elmin Never said it did, just referencing from what I’ve read.
Hi! Could you do a video about FIN5 diverting???
This reminds me of what happened when they had the earthquake in Alaska a few months ago they had to evacuate the tower and Anchorage and the tower staff literally evacuated the tower using portable air-to-ground radio coordinated go-arounds and other movement while outside for a. Of time it was the commercial version of Oshkosh
"GO AROUND FEDEX"
Which is beyond scary!
Is that the one where an atc died because he stayed in the tower too long?
@@drmayeda1930 that was a quake in another location I think it was either Indonesia or the Philippines where one of the controllers stayed too long once the Quake started he couldn't get out in time started
Is this the big airport SYD? Or is this a smaller one in Sydney?
This is Sydney International, the "big one". Sydney only has one airport that flies regular routes currently, with another one under construction.
@2:11 - is that Bathurst, Richmond, Sydney and Woolongong?
ACI140S filed a flight plan with no diversion.
How did they not have any alternative?
That is permitted.
Scary really to think it can be permitted. I was taught early in to my PPL that you always have an alternative and know where you’re going to go if you have adverse wx etc. it seemed like they really had no idea where they were diverting to and my point was even though they hadn’t filed it, it doesn’t appear they briefed either.
Thanks for your videos, VAS - they’re consistently great.
The airport was VFR and likely VFR on TAF for 2 hours before and after the ETA.
I have zero idea what are the proceedures, but maybe the flight was short, and with enough fuel, so they knew weather can't really suddenly change (and they knew it already on departure), plus abundance of airports they could divert to, so they didn't put it explicitly? Still weird tho.
What do the numbers under the planes mean? Is it flight level and speed? I can't work it out
Yes, the one on the left is altitude in thousands of feet. So, 090 is 8,000ft. The right is the speed in tens of knots, so 29 is 290kts.
Brisbane Centre is YBBN not YBBE. Great Video! :)
Negative, YBBN is for Brisbane Airport. Brisbane FIR is YBBB divided into two main regions: East YBBE and West YBBW
@@VASAviationThere you go, I just learnt something :)
@@VASAviation Do you have a source for that? Everything I've found says YBBE is Big Bell, a ghost town in Western Australia.
Do you have atc from Fort Lauderdale international airport and Fort Lauderdale executive airport! This week is our air show and would love to hear all they’ve said
check out liveatc.net. FLL and FXE are the airport codes.
Funny how from where I live, near Sydney Airport, I always see a fire and a long trail of smoke.
Good job
Hope they updated ATIS
They said ATIS alpha. So yes.
:D
Stupid question probably, but what's MBZ?
Mandatory Broadcast Zone
Главное все живы!
Wow
New take on coming in hot..
Nevermind, air conditioning had a smokey ball bearing.
Somebody overcooked the frozen lasagna in the microwave.
I thought when you file a flight plan you are supposed to have a divert airport planned. I guess I was wrong, I was just a bit surprised that Air Calin didn't have a backup plan.
I mean they probably did have a backup plan, maybe not written down anywhere but in their mind, they have definitely thought about it.
@@ying20000818 yeah that's what I was thinking. It just seemed like they had a surprise reaction when told to consider your alternate airport.
If weather is vfr guy our not required to file and alt
At 1:06, sounds like he says "Via either a left base or Kurnell" rather than "or final" - Kurnell is a neighbouring geographical area (the peninsula on the other side of Botany Bay from the airport)
Could be wrong, but definitely sounds like a "k" sound there.
Thanks for the info! I'm not familiar with the area.
Yes, I would say Kurnell. It is marked on both VTC & VNC maps...
I know the industry is pretty standardised internationally but hearing australians talk about miles is just too weird
Another day for Australia
Buy a beer and call it a day
0:38 Qantas 188 not 118
Negative, that is QFA118 (QFA188 doesn't exist as a current flight number). You should check your Australian accent.
VASAviation -
that may be the case, but the pilot definitely said 188, and the Tower did say one eighteen at 0:32
@@vk3hau He said 118, you understood 188.
It was not very clear, could also have been 180 in my opinion, but he almost certainly said 118.
@@lauritzt well, he definitely said 118 because QFA118 was the flight that was there at the time.
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There Fl"s Are screwed up. FL400?? I'm assuming 4k feet?
FL400 would be 40,000 feet. Wikipedia states "flight level (FL) is an aircraft's altitude at standard air pressure, expressed in hundreds of feet."
@@kayakingphotos yes in the states but dont think so there who would make them climb and hold at FL 400? 5 miles from airport?
@@jeffdo9195 5 miles? I just looked at SkyVector and it indicates that RIKNI is 70 NM from YSSY
Anything below 10,000 feet is not a flight level.
In US anything below 18K is not a flt level