The Burke was soft killing those AShW by jamming and decoys. The AEGIS AN/SPY1 is immensely powerful in both detection, tracking and even jamming. The SS-N-19 while immensely powerful and advanced in the Cold War doesn't have the electronic suite and powerful enough jammers to burn through the modern day SPY1.
@@ThatZenoGuy Only limited by the amount of EW emitters and one can assume a Burke has more than two. I do not know the Burkes EW capability, but I know what an EA18 can do and it is a lot more than 2. Just one tiny moment of confusion in guidance the missile will correct for a mistake that doesn't exist and splash. 😉
@grimreapers i added active electronic counter measures to the arleigh Burke f2 and f2a. Its the same isch system as the Ea6B prowler has. So thats the reason they exploded.
Hi Cap, the missiles were taken from subs, the firing and trigger mechanisms are part of the hatch system. On the submarine version they would use hydraulics at launch depth to open the hard hatch. The cap and container is a hard plastic shell which stops any fluids from entering the air breathing engine. The cell is pressurised and upon a launch command the engine fires at the same time as the scored hatch implodes, the over pressurised air bubble expands and with the missilec floats in its own air bubble to the surface. The fire sequences and electronic interface are like a cable system with contacts on the external surface of the tube. Lugs locate the tube within the silo/launcher to ensure the on board servos/gyros and computer know where it is, what direction it is facing, and what vectors to head towards. Height is done via two fins with radio range finders on the bottom surface. Gyros and inertial compass with a dunce, time and speed module is used to calculate switching radar systems on beforebeingin range.
As a bit of a historian and a retired US Navy Chief, I don't think the first battle would have had a draw as the outcome. I don't think Sea Power has factored in the extraordinary capability of Arleigh Burke's crew in damage control. Remember an OHP frigate took 2 Exocet missiles, which broke the keel and the crew managed to stitch her back together and limp to port in the Gulf. From what I have been told of the Russian navy, a large part of the DC equipment, was not maintenanced and didn't work.
Russian guy in touch) regarding the color of the deck, this is an old tradition dating back to the times of the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union (and well, they say the Red Army blah blah blah) and it’s cheaper and makes it easier to work with the hull and eliminate corrosion faster since our ports are in northern latitudes (more severe conditions during repair work and operation) and a small number of dry docks PS sorry for the bad english google translator:P PPS: 🐦peaceful skies
Cap, keep in mind that the DDG is equipped with the SLQ-32 EW suite. This is a VERY powerful jammer and most certainly would have an effect on the radar guided Soviet ASMs.
Cap you can use F10 to see what is happening to the missiles like if they are being jammed and by how much. Its really useful for seeing just how dangerous certain missiles really are.
IIRC Kirov just used the missile systems out of a submarine, so the launch tubes need to be flooded for it to work and the nosecones popping off are presumably there to stop the air-breathing engines from flooding with water.
My nephew was stationed on the USS Donald Cook as a radar tech in the late 90's. I asked him about missile jamming. He said that the AN/SLQ-32 is a very capable missile jammer. It worked by jamming the enemy radar and missile guidance systems.
I can promise you that the SPY-1 and SPY-2 can detect a missile sized object 100 miles away assuming it is not below the horizon. The radars on those ships are some of the most powerful and capable in the world Good stuff Cap! Thanks
But that ''assumption'' is the fundamental limit of radars. theoretically it can see well beyond 100 miles but problem is, at that distance, everything is below the horizon. P:S nothing wrong with game detection ranges.
@@kadrikarakoc807Well, I'm not sure if it'd be properly implemented here but Phased Array Radars are designed to specifically see over the horizon by bouncing signals off of the cloud layer and upper atmosphere.
@ Yeah they might have some solution for seeing that far but if there is a technology that can lock enemy missiles beyond horizon what is the point of make missiles go very low, as they will be seen anyways? Maybe long range radars doesn't give enough detection to lock enemy missiles.
I think that the problem is in the illumination radars. Sure the Spy radar suite can see over the horizon. But if your illumniation radars are the only ones that can guide your Sams and can't see over the horizon, then you're still going to be limited by the horizon.(I could be wrong but I don't believe Spy1/2 could illuminate targets.)While it means that they can't intercept the sea huggers as far out. At least they can detect them earlier and not get caught with their pants down, and the Aegis can start dividing up what assets it wants to use on what threats well outside it's sam umbrella.
I want to point out that the P-700/P-270 (not sure about P-500/P-1000) should technically be impossible to jam. Their radar homing seekers are dual-purpose Active and Passive (it uses both to find targets). Even if the active homing head gets fully jammed, it should still be able to hit the Arleigh Burke by tracking it's radar signals (the same way a HARM works). The only way to properly jam them would be ECM from escorts + EMCON on the defending ship (of course, this would mean the defending ship can't use it's SAMs). However, I don't think this is possible to model in-game yet. But they definitely shouldn't be splashing into the water even if their radars were fully jammed. They should be switching to "HARM" mode.
I had a freind who was in the Russian Navy who said during Stalin's time they painted everything red. As years went on the paint faded to "pink", and they had to keep cutting the paint with primer to make it match. Eventually they just started using straight primer. My suspicion is that someone along the supply chain was selling the missing paint for vodka.
There's a great book, MiG Pilot, that chronicles the experience of Victor Belenko, who defected from Vladivostok to Japan in 1975(?) in his quite new MiG-25. An intelligence windfall for the West, for sure. Anyway in the book, Belenko claimed that it was not uncommon for aircrew/support staff to get into the alcohol that was meant for cooling purposes on the aircraft... stuff that was near 100 proof and probably not far from making you blind. Siberia can be a lonely place, it seems.
@@TheNotoriousENG I've heard of this, I think. The oroginal Tu-22 had ethanol/water (vodka) cooling and the airmen would fill bottles, old fuel cans, even their boots with alcohol. Paper Skies has an excellent video on it.
This is correct. The cap is to keep seawater out of the air-breathing engine. On the Shipwreck, it has a MiG-17 style nose intake. The Sunburn has a more modern underbody intake.
As several have stated, the Burke will have EW that if modeled decently probably is quite effective against these old Soviet missiles. That may be the true reason for their behavior.
You son of a gun. You're definitive "shes out of missiles, avert your eyes" statement with conviction (admittedly, I was thinking the same), swiftly followed by their aquatic nosedive and "well that happened" made me spit out laughing on my phone. Ahh im just glad im by myself here...
As far as the Slava is concerned, I dont care what the sim says, in a broadside CIWS exchange I dont want to be the one on the ship with enormous antiship missiles mounted in tubes above the main deck when thousands of rounds of 20mm API DU shells are coming point blank. For the missiles eating ocean, that may just be due to the jamming and decoy capabilities of the new Burke 2 EW/ECM suite of the time vs russian missiles of the time.
To answer your question about the SSN-19s. If memory serves correctly the oscar class was built before the Kirov class and rather than make a model of shipwreck specifically for the Kirov they just made the cells on the Kirov's shipwreck cells work like the Oscar's (where they flood them and pump air into to eject the missle like a submarine) and that cap popping off of the shipwreck is the seal that stops water from flooding the intake of the missle while it's underwater.
"Russian warship decks are often painted red primarily for practical reasons, as the color red helps to easily identify areas of potential danger like spills of oil or hydraulic fluid on the deck, making it easier for crew members to avoid accidents; this is especially important in harsh weather conditions or during rapid maneuvers."
Couple of things. Russian rockets aren't ASROC, they are RBU-6000's. Interestingly, the Russians are now mounting these things on armored vehicles and using them on land.The caps on the P-700 missiles that fly off cover the ramjet inlets for the rocket motor. The missiles are ejected using a solid fuel rocket which falls off, then a ramjet kicks in for sustained flight. The cap would keep debris out of the intake. Russian ships decks are Red Oxide. They just don't paint over it with gray like most navies.
The thing is the game AI is definitely not taking into consideration the mode. So for example the AI might have a certain salvo programmed for the normal enemy ship without the VLS. So for certain the Russians would have fired more missiles if they knew the other ship had VLS.
Why people ask for modern slava? considering modern slava is not well maintained and the SAM system+most of CIWS are broken due to disrepair in time on its demise... VS Admiral Gorshkov please?
the decks are red on russian cold war era ships because they used tar as an anti slip coating. since most of the ships were docked in (semi) arctic waters, this was the cheapest solution to keep the sailors from slipping overboard off the decks during a (polar) storm.
I'm just going to deem it "Cap Countermeasures". Every... damn... time you give us "It's going to get through!!!!".... Missile defeated. It's just a natural born talent you have.
I believe the cone on the nose of those missiles is the air intake. Guessing the cap has to do with protecting the air intake from something when it ignites in the tube?
This is what I love about military history: US develops tech and doctrine for dominating in all combat scenarios. Cold war and even modern Russia really only has to develop to counter the US and can excell in that narrow scope.
Hate to point this out for the galleon fight but getting raked by that much 20mm would pretty much mission kill the skava, particularly with all the tracers, she would be burning from stem to stern, not to mention the machinery damage and crew incapacitated/unable to act as damage control ratings.
aren't the Sava-class those ships that can't operate their air-defenses and radar at the same time? something about not generating enough current to power all systems at once
I suspect/assume that the Russian ASuM are getting jammed by EW on the Burke which messes with guidance on missiles and if the missile corrects for an issue that doesn't exist either SPLASHY or off like a rocket. IDK if the game has that capability simulated but... it is a real capability. Might explain what is happening.
Good battles. According to Google AI, the Russian ship color was some sort of coating. [Google is never wrong, ha ha.] CAP: if I could test one thing, it would be to play as the American Burke II, and see if you can get it to manually fire SAMS farther away... that would tell us if it is the software or the ship's capabilities [at least according to the game]. Thank you, as always. P.S.: you cannot help the game platform being bugged.
It was to be expected that the AB run out of missile defense. Huge tonnage difference, a completely different role in the fleet (AB are meant to work with other AB and under the umbrella of many other defensedl asset), and the AB missile loadout is not suited for this scenario (those TLAM Tomahawk are useless so might as well switch them out for more SM-2)
And meanwhile in reality the Slava got sunk by a pair of Neptune Missiles (Allegedly). Just goes to show no matter how 'realistic' these combat simulators are, reality is a completely different kettle of fish. But nice video nonetheless, I appreciate what sea power is doing, recreating these vessels in their prime and in fully working order, not the dilapidated hulks the Russians call their black sea fleet.
When you mistake Jamming and EW as a broken game 😂😂 This is exactly what we have been trying to tell you. The US ships are insane from the weapons systems to Radar to Jamming, literally no other country can even compare in those fields.
Hey an easy video to make is a 1v1 and 4v4 Yamato vrs. Montana class battle ship. Iowa i very close to not winning at all I'm curious had we actually built Montana and she came face to face with Yamato would she fair any better. Montana has more guns but is slower then Iowa in theory based on her design. But should be faster then Yamato due to weight. 🤷🏼♂️ Just good old fashioned gun battle.
The Navy only ordered 91 LRASMs this fiscal year becuase it also ordered expansions to the JASSM/LRASM production line to double its nominal capacity. And that's on top of getting more ships outfitted with the Naval Strike Missile to replace the Harpoon, and ordering the first batches of the Joint Strike Missile for aircraft, as well as the airl-launched SM-6, which should retain its anti-ship capability. Finally, the Air Force has started to take delivery of prototype Stand-in Attack Weapon, which is another missile capable of being used in the anti-ship role, which will certainly find its way onto Navy aircraft as well as Air Force ones.
ok…but what is the Navy planning on using for its primary VLS launched anti ship missile? It’s my understanding that the NSM is for littoral combat ships, the new frigates and smaller non fleet ships. 91 LRASM is nothing and I done understand why they wouldn’t buy hundred a year and fit them to VLS- at least for the Zimwalt. I get that the carrier is the primary tool for surface warfare but Destroyers need their own capability in case there isn’t a carrier around. Or - as may happen- the carrier is damaged and unable to launch. I get that the SM-6 has an anti ship capability but it lacks the “intelligence” of the LRASM in regards to target discrimination, ECCM and destructive power. The weapon is there for them, has been for 10 years and has been tested out of VLS….yet the Navy is still - 10 years later- talking about what they are going to do in the future; the same plans they had 10 years ago. And we aren’t any closer. Meanwhile, our surface fleet relies on surface to air missiles or- occasionally- obsolete, non stealthy slow harpoons. Same with subs…what is the point of arming subs with Maritime tomahawk when- like the harpood- it is a non-stealthy and subsonic missile? Why not the NSM? Seems like fhat would be a great choice. Are we seriously relyjnh on torpedoes to take out surface ships? I mean, they work great but are relatively short ranged and you can only send 4 at a time (and they take forever to get there)
@@mikeck4609 Did you not read the first sentence I wrote period? They didn't order a big batch becuase the line's in the middle of being expanded, which means there's likely to be several production halts while the upgrades are being built. They ordered that number of LRASM's and a somewhat bigger batch of JASSM's on top of ordering the facilities upgraded. So yes, this fiscal year's batch, and probably next year's batch will be on the comparatively small side, but then we'll be able to order larger numbers afterwards since we'll now have the additional production capacity. As for the NSM, we've already had one destroyer outfitted with Naval Strike Missiles for last year's RIMPAC. More will undoutbtedly be coming, but right now the Marine's ground based anti-ship missile batteries have first crack at the missile, followed by the Navy, who have been using the NSM as a means to give the LCS additional firepower. However, given how we've already seen one DDG outfitted, we should be seeing more soon, especially once the Marine's order is complete and the new NSM/JSM production line Kongesberg's building in Virginia opens. And the Joint Strike Missile, the air-launched version of the NSM, has been determined to be Mk 41 compatible, so there's that missile availabe for VLS deployment. Now, as for the LRASM not being deployed via VLS, part of that is likely due to it's primarily being intended as an ALCM, and not a surface based one, and part of it could also be from the fact that longer ranged LRASM variants are under development, ones which will almost certainly include boosters, and given how adding the booster to make the JASSM-ER meant it could no longer fit in the VLS, any LRASM-ER's when they're built likely won't fit either.
Lol a Flight 2 burke would house both. A flight 3 is no contest. Also any decent commander would not be stupid enough to get into a gun battle with a cruiser. The burke is significantly faster and the crew well thy know their DC roles as wel las having far superior EW systems.
given what we know about the Slavas' track record, i wonder how real it is represented in game.....Russian paper specs are not as impressive on the battlefield...
The main 3d radar was STOWED when it sank indicating it didn't have it's defence active. Without conclusive evidence it will never be known what actually happened. No photos of the wreck have been published and the final images taken before it sank are inconclusive. It had a catastrophic fire aboard for sure, but the root cause is not obvious from the only photos available.
Cap, I think the Russian missiles are "bugged" because Burke is jamming their guidance for soft kills, not because the mods aren't working.
Burke is like, "and yet I remain deeply unbothered"
Moisturised, in their lane.
Oh my..is it high tea time?
The Burke was soft killing those AShW by jamming and decoys. The AEGIS AN/SPY1 is immensely powerful in both detection, tracking and even jamming. The SS-N-19 while immensely powerful and advanced in the Cold War doesn't have the electronic suite and powerful enough jammers to burn through the modern day SPY1.
Also SLQ-32v3 had active jamming capabilities.
Seems way unlikely that many would be redirected lmao.
@@ThatZenoGuy Only limited by the amount of EW emitters and one can assume a Burke has more than two. I do not know the Burkes EW capability, but I know what an EA18 can do and it is a lot more than 2.
Just one tiny moment of confusion in guidance the missile will correct for a mistake that doesn't exist and splash. 😉
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They wouldn't be loaded with anti-missile systems if they could just use the force to deflect missiles.
@grimreapers i added active electronic counter measures to the arleigh Burke f2 and f2a. Its the same isch system as the Ea6B prowler has. So thats the reason they exploded.
Good ol' SLQ-32.
This one Cap.
@@Reniconix I was a nuke on USS Arkansas, and we had the SLQ-32 V-3. I had no idea the 32 was that effective!
Hi Cap, the missiles were taken from subs, the firing and trigger mechanisms are part of the hatch system. On the submarine version they would use hydraulics at launch depth to open the hard hatch. The cap and container is a hard plastic shell which stops any fluids from entering the air breathing engine. The cell is pressurised and upon a launch command the engine fires at the same time as the scored hatch implodes, the over pressurised air bubble expands and with the missilec floats in its own air bubble to the surface. The fire sequences and electronic interface are like a cable system with contacts on the external surface of the tube. Lugs locate the tube within the silo/launcher to ensure the on board servos/gyros and computer know where it is, what direction it is facing, and what vectors to head towards. Height is done via two fins with radio range finders on the bottom surface. Gyros and inertial compass with a dunce, time and speed module is used to calculate switching radar systems on beforebeingin range.
As a bit of a historian and a retired US Navy Chief, I don't think the first battle would have had a draw as the outcome. I don't think Sea Power has factored in the extraordinary capability of Arleigh Burke's crew in damage control. Remember an OHP frigate took 2 Exocet missiles, which broke the keel and the crew managed to stitch her back together and limp to port in the Gulf. From what I have been told of the Russian navy, a large part of the DC equipment, was not maintenanced and didn't work.
The Burke also has an offensive ECM. I'm not sure if the AI will use them, but it's another layer of defense that can jam enemy missiles.
Yup, the SLQ-32.
Russian guy in touch) regarding the color of the deck, this is an old tradition dating back to the times of the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union (and well, they say the Red Army blah blah blah) and it’s cheaper and makes it easier to work with the hull and eliminate corrosion faster since our ports are in northern latitudes (more severe conditions during repair work and operation) and a small number of dry docks
PS sorry for the bad english google translator:P
PPS: 🐦peaceful skies
Cap, keep in mind that the DDG is equipped with the SLQ-32 EW suite. This is a VERY powerful jammer and most certainly would have an effect on the radar guided Soviet ASMs.
home on jam is a thing...
Cap you can use F10 to see what is happening to the missiles like if they are being jammed and by how much. Its really useful for seeing just how dangerous certain missiles really are.
VLS ships are crazy, cant wait for more modern mods!
IIRC Kirov just used the missile systems out of a submarine, so the launch tubes need to be flooded for it to work and the nosecones popping off are presumably there to stop the air-breathing engines from flooding with water.
My nephew was stationed on the USS Donald Cook as a radar tech in the late 90's. I asked him about missile jamming. He said that the AN/SLQ-32 is a very capable missile jammer. It worked by jamming the enemy radar and missile guidance systems.
I can promise you that the SPY-1 and SPY-2 can detect a missile sized object 100 miles away assuming it is not below the horizon. The radars on those ships are some of the most powerful and capable in the world
Good stuff Cap! Thanks
And paired with the SM-2 family, anything flying and detected, dies.
But these games are fun, big thanks to Cap and GR
But that ''assumption'' is the fundamental limit of radars. theoretically it can see well beyond 100 miles but problem is, at that distance, everything is below the horizon. P:S nothing wrong with game detection ranges.
@@kadrikarakoc807Well, I'm not sure if it'd be properly implemented here but Phased Array Radars are designed to specifically see over the horizon by bouncing signals off of the cloud layer and upper atmosphere.
@ Yeah they might have some solution for seeing that far but if there is a technology that can lock enemy missiles beyond horizon what is the point of make missiles go very low, as they will be seen anyways? Maybe long range radars doesn't give enough detection to lock enemy missiles.
I think that the problem is in the illumination radars. Sure the Spy radar suite can see over the horizon. But if your illumniation radars are the only ones that can guide your Sams and can't see over the horizon, then you're still going to be limited by the horizon.(I could be wrong but I don't believe Spy1/2 could illuminate targets.)While it means that they can't intercept the sea huggers as far out. At least they can detect them earlier and not get caught with their pants down, and the Aegis can start dividing up what assets it wants to use on what threats well outside it's sam umbrella.
The 2024 Slava Class acquired submarine capacities.
I want to point out that the P-700/P-270 (not sure about P-500/P-1000) should technically be impossible to jam. Their radar homing seekers are dual-purpose Active and Passive (it uses both to find targets). Even if the active homing head gets fully jammed, it should still be able to hit the Arleigh Burke by tracking it's radar signals (the same way a HARM works).
The only way to properly jam them would be ECM from escorts + EMCON on the defending ship (of course, this would mean the defending ship can't use it's SAMs).
However, I don't think this is possible to model in-game yet. But they definitely shouldn't be splashing into the water even if their radars were fully jammed. They should be switching to "HARM" mode.
Cap, the Burke has offensive ECM, i'm thinking thats why the incoming missiles were dumping themselves.
Can you simulate a Russian ship towed by a tugboat? 🤔
I had a freind who was in the Russian Navy who said during Stalin's time they painted everything red. As years went on the paint faded to "pink", and they had to keep cutting the paint with primer to make it match. Eventually they just started using straight primer.
My suspicion is that someone along the supply chain was selling the missing paint for vodka.
There's a great book, MiG Pilot, that chronicles the experience of Victor Belenko, who defected from Vladivostok to Japan in 1975(?) in his quite new MiG-25. An intelligence windfall for the West, for sure. Anyway in the book, Belenko claimed that it was not uncommon for aircrew/support staff to get into the alcohol that was meant for cooling purposes on the aircraft... stuff that was near 100 proof and probably not far from making you blind. Siberia can be a lonely place, it seems.
@@TheNotoriousENGFinally I know why Russia’s advance in Ukraine is so slow lol. Jokes, ofc
@@TheNotoriousENG I've heard of this, I think. The oroginal Tu-22 had ethanol/water (vodka) cooling and the airmen would fill bottles, old fuel cans, even their boots with alcohol. Paper Skies has an excellent video on it.
So the Shipwreck missiles are made for submarine use, so Kirov needs to flood her VLS to fire... I assume the top is ditched after surfacing
This is correct. The cap is to keep seawater out of the air-breathing engine. On the Shipwreck, it has a MiG-17 style nose intake. The Sunburn has a more modern underbody intake.
As several have stated, the Burke will have EW that if modeled decently probably is quite effective against these old Soviet missiles. That may be the true reason for their behavior.
Hell yes! More G R this week and more Sea Power! Many thanks for the actions.
The missiles might be diving because of defensive ECM
The Soviets painted the decks red to be visibility different, they chose the color red because red was the color of revolution.
These are fun but we all know an Arleigh Burke DDG would have sent both to the bottom at the same time😂
You son of a gun. You're definitive "shes out of missiles, avert your eyes" statement with conviction (admittedly, I was thinking the same), swiftly followed by their aquatic nosedive and "well that happened" made me spit out laughing on my phone.
Ahh im just glad im by myself here...
sixteen thousand pounds of warhead sitting out in the open on the deck seems like a chain reaction waiting to happen.
As far as the Slava is concerned, I dont care what the sim says, in a broadside CIWS exchange I dont want to be the one on the ship with enormous antiship missiles mounted in tubes above the main deck when thousands of rounds of 20mm API DU shells are coming point blank. For the missiles eating ocean, that may just be due to the jamming and decoy capabilities of the new Burke 2 EW/ECM suite of the time vs russian missiles of the time.
To answer your question about the SSN-19s. If memory serves correctly the oscar class was built before the Kirov class and rather than make a model of shipwreck specifically for the Kirov they just made the cells on the Kirov's shipwreck cells work like the Oscar's (where they flood them and pump air into to eject the missle like a submarine) and that cap popping off of the shipwreck is the seal that stops water from flooding the intake of the missle while it's underwater.
thank you! another awesome video!
Anyone notice the Burke has offensive ECM? And that it wasn't used…
The wonders of the AN-SPY. It is so powerful it can scan while actively jamming.
"Russian warship decks are often painted red primarily for practical reasons, as the color red helps to easily identify areas of potential danger like spills of oil or hydraulic fluid on the deck, making it easier for crew members to avoid accidents; this is especially important in harsh weather conditions or during rapid maneuvers."
..isn't hydraulic fluid red? Or is that just US stuff?
Arleigh Burke ECM suite? Electronic countermeasures took leaps and bounds in the 90s. Maybe old missiles are highly susceptible?
Couple of things. Russian rockets aren't ASROC, they are RBU-6000's. Interestingly, the Russians are now mounting these things on armored vehicles and using them on land.The caps on the P-700 missiles that fly off cover the ramjet inlets for the rocket motor. The missiles are ejected using a solid fuel rocket which falls off, then a ramjet kicks in for sustained flight. The cap would keep debris out of the intake. Russian ships decks are Red Oxide. They just don't paint over it with gray like most navies.
Now that the Burke is in the game, can you do a 90s carrier fleet battle. AB, Tico, OHP, and the CV versus Soviet strike group
They store the missile in a white wine vinegar.
the burk has jamming like a growler so the missiles may fail from it
The thing is the game AI is definitely not taking into consideration the mode. So for example the AI might have a certain salvo programmed for the normal enemy ship without the VLS. So for certain the Russians would have fired more missiles if they knew the other ship had VLS.
Why people ask for modern slava? considering modern slava is not well maintained and the SAM system+most of CIWS are broken due to disrepair in time on its demise...
VS Admiral Gorshkov please?
What's happening? Burke's ECM electronic countermeasures working perfect... Do it again and use the most modern Slava version!
the decks are red on russian cold war era ships because they used tar as an anti slip coating. since most of the ships were docked in (semi) arctic waters, this was the cheapest solution to keep the sailors from slipping overboard off the decks during a (polar) storm.
I'm just going to deem it "Cap Countermeasures". Every... damn... time you give us "It's going to get through!!!!".... Missile defeated.
It's just a natural born talent you have.
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At 40 miles, why didn't Burke use Harpoons also?
I believe the cone on the nose of those missiles is the air intake. Guessing the cap has to do with protecting the air intake from something when it ignites in the tube?
This is what I love about military history: US develops tech and doctrine for dominating in all combat scenarios. Cold war and even modern Russia really only has to develop to counter the US and can excell in that narrow scope.
Thanks for another glorious video :) When the missiles hit the water, it might be ECM jamming.
Hate to point this out for the galleon fight but getting raked by that much 20mm would pretty much mission kill the skava, particularly with all the tracers, she would be burning from stem to stern, not to mention the machinery damage and crew incapacitated/unable to act as damage control ratings.
Thank you so much, I love how my comment didn’t go unnoticed 😊
I'm surprised when they were beside each other that the arley Burke class didn't throw its torpedoes at her to sink it
Love The Naval Ship Battle Scenarios!
aren't the Sava-class those ships that can't operate their air-defenses and radar at the same time?
something about not generating enough current to power all systems at once
Burke had offensive ecm that could be why the missles were missing it
The Russians paint the decks red so bad guys can't see them bleed.
I hate that the tomahawk missles don't work properly, there's a whole video where it's also shown that the rockets dodge, and a few other things.
Putting a cruiser vs a destroyer and the cruiser hardly winning says ALOT
What about the offensive ECM on the Arleigh Burke, that should help it to protect it self more reliably?
ASROK is torpedoes and the those rockets are just depth charges with rockets
Anti-ship Tomahawk does have a 1000 lbs warhead
I suspect/assume that the Russian ASuM are getting jammed by EW on the Burke which messes with guidance on missiles and if the missile corrects for an issue that doesn't exist either SPLASHY or off like a rocket. IDK if the game has that capability simulated but... it is a real capability.
Might explain what is happening.
the term is Phyric victory
i defo spelled that wrong... like aluminum or something
to save money thy do not paint over the red
interesting those RBUs at close range.....boom boom
One was decoyed by chaff cloud above the ship...
If they could get a Zumwalt in this game with the Dark Eagle hypersonic missile It’s been equipped with, I’d love to see it
Nice vid cap!
Now that you know Sea Power better, Cap. Can we get a new US CBG vs. Russian Strike Group video, please.
Good battles. According to Google AI, the Russian ship color was some sort of coating. [Google is never wrong, ha ha.] CAP: if I could test one thing, it would be to play as the American Burke II, and see if you can get it to manually fire SAMS farther away... that would tell us if it is the software or the ship's capabilities [at least according to the game]. Thank you, as always. P.S.: you cannot help the game platform being bugged.
26:18 Not sure about luck or skill, but she's definitely gonna run out of missiles
wheres the Arleigh in sea power?
On your screen... 😅 it's q mod I think it's in the description
25:35 The ships are Soviet?
It was to be expected that the AB run out of missile defense. Huge tonnage difference, a completely different role in the fleet (AB are meant to work with other AB and under the umbrella of many other defensedl asset), and the AB missile loadout is not suited for this scenario (those TLAM Tomahawk are useless so might as well switch them out for more SM-2)
How would current ABs do against current Russian assets?
Stay 300 miles from thier harbours and there is no issues unless they hear a tug first...
Can Sea Power use the nuclear ASROC?
Oh a fun and well fought bit of pow pow
shows the power of VLS
And meanwhile in reality the Slava got sunk by a pair of Neptune Missiles (Allegedly).
Just goes to show no matter how 'realistic' these combat simulators are, reality is a completely different kettle of fish.
But nice video nonetheless, I appreciate what sea power is doing, recreating these vessels in their prime and in fully working order, not the dilapidated hulks the Russians call their black sea fleet.
Should have called it T-1000, instead
I love arleigh Burkes so much 😊
made a scenario,,, 2 Iowas, a big landing group, a couple of belknaps... if you do it right, you can win
and in the 80's all these weapons on the Kirov would likely actuallyl have worked... :)
Because Red ones are FASTER
Anyone else notice that the Burke is missing it's Harpoons, it should have 8 in 2 MK141 launchers.
The game has US ships hilariously nerfed while russian/Soviet ships were buffed just so they could have a chance.
Thats because it is a Flight IIA version and that version doesnt carry harpoons
I don’t think flight 2 has the harpoons
@@cynthiaherbst3909 why do American ships always win so easily then? Skill issue?
@@FlyMysticalDJA well-managed Nimitz floatilla is nigh unstoppable
Try an Improved Spruance and a Tico vs both Russian ships
When you mistake Jamming and EW as a broken game 😂😂 This is exactly what we have been trying to tell you. The US ships are insane from the weapons systems to Radar to Jamming, literally no other country can even compare in those fields.
Could always do one ai-vs-ai, then one human-vs-ai and one ai-vs-human, comparing the latter two vs each other with ai-vs-ai as a control.
Thank you
The upcoming battle try not letting the slower missile ship go first just let the AI do its thing.
Looks like Slava would've won if she fired salvos of six instead of five.
Cap,
Soviets use red because they know if they get into a naval fight with US, their bleeding crew can blend in with their surroundings !!😂
The shape of the russian fleet presently is poor.
Try Tico vs Russians maybe?
Maybe the decks are red, because they want to honor their 'soviet' flag? It is called the "Red Army", would be silly to paint your ships purple 🙂
Hey an easy video to make is a 1v1 and 4v4 Yamato vrs. Montana class battle ship. Iowa i very close to not winning at all I'm curious had we actually built Montana and she came face to face with Yamato would she fair any better. Montana has more guns but is slower then Iowa in theory based on her design. But should be faster then Yamato due to weight. 🤷🏼♂️ Just good old fashioned gun battle.
When all else fails, Russian technology to the rescue. Try Tico vs. those two. Destroyer v Cruiser isn't very fair.
Yet the Navy still thinks the Harpoon and Maritime strike Tomahawk are “just fine” for anti ship work; so they only need 150 LRASM for air launch use
The Navy only ordered 91 LRASMs this fiscal year becuase it also ordered expansions to the JASSM/LRASM production line to double its nominal capacity. And that's on top of getting more ships outfitted with the Naval Strike Missile to replace the Harpoon, and ordering the first batches of the Joint Strike Missile for aircraft, as well as the airl-launched SM-6, which should retain its anti-ship capability. Finally, the Air Force has started to take delivery of prototype Stand-in Attack Weapon, which is another missile capable of being used in the anti-ship role, which will certainly find its way onto Navy aircraft as well as Air Force ones.
Tbf they are, since irl they have only ever been intercepted by ground fire.
ok…but what is the Navy planning on using for its primary VLS launched anti ship missile? It’s my understanding that the NSM is for littoral combat ships, the new frigates and smaller non fleet ships. 91 LRASM is nothing and I done understand why they wouldn’t buy hundred a year and fit them to VLS- at least for the Zimwalt. I get that the carrier is the primary tool for surface warfare but Destroyers need their own capability in case there isn’t a carrier around. Or - as may happen- the carrier is damaged and unable to launch.
I get that the SM-6 has an anti ship capability but it lacks the “intelligence” of the LRASM in regards to target discrimination, ECCM and destructive power.
The weapon is there for them, has been for 10 years and has been tested out of VLS….yet the Navy is still - 10 years later- talking about what they are going to do in the future; the same plans they had 10 years ago. And we aren’t any closer. Meanwhile, our surface fleet relies on surface to air missiles or- occasionally- obsolete, non stealthy slow harpoons.
Same with subs…what is the point of arming subs with Maritime tomahawk when- like the harpood- it is a non-stealthy and subsonic missile? Why not the NSM? Seems like fhat would be a great choice.
Are we seriously relyjnh on torpedoes to take out surface ships? I mean, they work great but are relatively short ranged and you can only send 4 at a time (and they take forever to get there)
@@mikeck4609 Did you not read the first sentence I wrote period? They didn't order a big batch becuase the line's in the middle of being expanded, which means there's likely to be several production halts while the upgrades are being built. They ordered that number of LRASM's and a somewhat bigger batch of JASSM's on top of ordering the facilities upgraded. So yes, this fiscal year's batch, and probably next year's batch will be on the comparatively small side, but then we'll be able to order larger numbers afterwards since we'll now have the additional production capacity.
As for the NSM, we've already had one destroyer outfitted with Naval Strike Missiles for last year's RIMPAC. More will undoutbtedly be coming, but right now the Marine's ground based anti-ship missile batteries have first crack at the missile, followed by the Navy, who have been using the NSM as a means to give the LCS additional firepower. However, given how we've already seen one DDG outfitted, we should be seeing more soon, especially once the Marine's order is complete and the new NSM/JSM production line Kongesberg's building in Virginia opens. And the Joint Strike Missile, the air-launched version of the NSM, has been determined to be Mk 41 compatible, so there's that missile availabe for VLS deployment. Now, as for the LRASM not being deployed via VLS, part of that is likely due to it's primarily being intended as an ALCM, and not a surface based one, and part of it could also be from the fact that longer ranged LRASM variants are under development, ones which will almost certainly include boosters, and given how adding the booster to make the JASSM-ER meant it could no longer fit in the VLS, any LRASM-ER's when they're built likely won't fit either.
On rhe brightvside a 80s slava proably has a much better crew and hasent sold off its danage control equipment to the black market.
Lol a Flight 2 burke would house both. A flight 3 is no contest. Also any decent commander would not be stupid enough to get into a gun battle with a cruiser. The burke is significantly faster and the crew well thy know their DC roles as wel las having far superior EW systems.
These fights are only fair in games. Russia has proven they absolutely can not shoot down slow-moving Ukranian drones, much less a missile.
Please stop calling the RBU’s asrocs. One is a mortar one is a torpedo
given what we know about the Slavas' track record, i wonder how real it is represented in game.....Russian paper specs are not as impressive on the battlefield...
The main 3d radar was STOWED when it sank indicating it didn't have it's defence active. Without conclusive evidence it will never be known what actually happened. No photos of the wreck have been published and the final images taken before it sank are inconclusive. It had a catastrophic fire aboard for sure, but the root cause is not obvious from the only photos available.