@revolioclockbergjr.6780 if people want to act like they know about a certain topic while a very adjacent topic to the original exists, especially when it's tied closely to their own heritage and culture, then yeah, they probably should have an opinion on it. If they claim not to, they are most likely wilfully ignorant or clueless
Destiny doesn’t deal with real “politics” per say, he does Cultural Warrior LARPing pretend politics. He would also probably tell you the same. Covering streamer drama ain’t politics.
idk why but i cringe uncontrollably when ppl fake laugh bro. like why tf do ppl do that shit ever. i understand being uncomfortable and doing it, but why here
Lmao I LOVE when destiny hate watches Vaush and makes snide remarks the whole time. Lol his voice at 25:10 “I’ve done videos…I’ve done videeeooooosss on this you bitch…!” I replayed this more times than I’d like to admit.
It is indeed anti-black if the separatism is done voluntarily, because that would imply opposition to the separatist's freedom of association to associate only with people of like racial background. This concern also holds true for anti-white bigots who oppose white separatism. Live and let live; don't force people to interact with those they would prefer to avoid.
@@3112-x9r In a vaccuum you might be right, however in this case that "separatist's freedom to associate" is a euphemism for forming a black ethnostate. He's disagreeing with a racist, fascist, reactionary system of governance and not someone's individual freedom.
@@pakman184 It is not immoral to have an ethnostate among people who all consent to having it. You are not entitled to interacting with a set of people who wish to keep to themselves. That is what it means to have the freedom of association. All forms of racial separatism are acceptable so long as they do not infringe upon the rights of other people.
@@3112-x9r Again, you're thinking of this in a vacuum instead of the reality we live in. An ethnostate does not just suddenly pop up out of nowhere, full of everyone who wants to live there. Ethnostates are built by tyrannical and fascishistic leaders who kill, imprison, deport, and/or genocide the people who do not "belong" within it. There is no reality where an ethnostate appears without it infringing on the rights of many.
I get the feeling that Vaush and Destiny are so far removed from each other, that they now take each others hyperbolic irony posting seriosuly, which prompts further hyperbolic irony posting.
I’d agree if it wasn’t for the fact that I’m pretty sure that’s the first Destiny clip Vaush has had on his stream in like a year lmao, meanwhile Destiny is out here with his videos on Picture in Picture for literally hours in some streams. Destiny has all the context in the world to understand when Vaush is engaging in the exact same shitposting Destiny does (Ctrl-V) and yet (because yes - Destiny’s beliefs are spite driven regardless on how much you think making it a ‘meme’ changes the fact) whenever Vaush shitposts every DGG’er on the planet will suddenly pretend to 100% believe the statement and get triggered at the totally not ironic or overexaggerated remark lmao
@@Vin_Venture896 Vaush is kinda getting cozy with the post ironic humor when talking about Destiny though. His statement is clearly too dumb to be taken seriously but there's Vaushites that will believe it and use it for shitslinging against Destiny. Fucked up situation really, they could've been a socdem/lefty juggernaut together.
Katee is so wrong. Black separatist absolutely think they are the superior race. Black separatist/ black nationalism is almost no different than nazism.
On the other end, what happens if they get what they want? What leader or group of leaders are going to represent ALL black people? XD It's silliness. Ethnostates are a bad idea wholesale.
Really wish Katie would just stop talking period. Every single time I hear her speaking there's always multiple moments when she wants to tell people how they're wrong but then back track to I'm not educated enough on this subject....
@ezra Goldberg fairly certain those were cheap box braids and I really don't care about them as cultures across the globe have had a multitude of different braid styles. So I'm not gonna waste my time attempting to police each individual culture type to match them to the person wearing them.
@@ezragoldberg3132 one of the most horrific creatures I’ve ever seen online. Appearance is part of being taken seriously in society, I don’t like it either but that’s just the way it is. And then people like this crawl out of the woodwork and expect to be treated like an intellectual while looking like a nu-metal groupie
This comment section is crazy. How anyone can think this chick was on the side of logic is beyond me. You may not like the guy but she had no business even showing up to that “debate.” How can you openly admit you are uneducated on the topic and have the gall to immediately tell someone who is educated that they’re wrong and not give a single reason why? The fact she even agreed to have this “debate” tells us just how dumb she is.
You can tell most people commenting haven't even watched the video. They saw the title and thumbnail and assumed that Destiny and Vaush weren't on the same side but they are lol.
YOOO this DLC is INSANE. We got Blitler AND Nazism 3 in the same expansion!? These devs are built different, I wonder what the next story arc is gonna be like
Look at all the “leftist” audiences. They tend to have hive mind mentality, mob mentality and hero worship of their internet “leaders”. They just blindly accept anything they say and don’t bother looking for context. Hassan or Vaouwnsche will watch a 5 second clip and draw immediate conclusions based purely on ideological grounds. Facts be damned. So is it really that surprising?
She says she's not educated enough on the topic to explain the difference between black nationalism and black separatism, yet is educated enough on the topics to argue in favor of those things? Amazin'.
Katee somehow manages to make Vaush look good. I swear every time she opens her mouth it's a disaster. 😂 Why is she even talking with Vaush about topics she understands very little about? She was unable to even defend her own position or substantiate her criticisms. She was so out of her element. "🤓 Actually you should listen to black supremacist experts so they can educate you on why you're wrong. I'm certainly in no position to do so but I know for a fact that you're wrong. 🤓"
Bruh came here to say this, she just kept saying "you're bad because people are saying you don't understand it.", "Ok what am I getting wrong?", "I'm not well educated on it, but people on the internet I talk to say you're wrong". Then let them come on and talk, Jesus
@@myronwilliams3340 I'm pretty sure she is wrong. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think this whole thing started because Vaush disagreed with Prof. Flower's support for the deportation of white South Africans. Vaush is arguing against such ideologies.
Man the “im not educated enough to explain this but am educated enough to say you’re wrong” thing drives me up the wall. If you cant defend your positions dont speak on them.
That sentiment used as body armour to protect themselves against fellow lefties. She knows she is being watched and has to tread carefully, she’s a HWhite woman talking about black sepretism after all
This is wild do you understand how crazy someone has to be to let vaush sound like the most reasonable person in the room. I actually forgot I was waiting for him to call destiny a nazi
With respect to the Kurds and Kurdistan, their situation is not at all comparable with black separatism. The US is a liberal democracy which first had to fight a violent war to grant personhood to black people, but after which black people were able to advocate for themselves through peaceful means, i.e. civil rights. The Kurds are an ethnic minority from the Kurdistan region. The Kurdistan region spans where Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Syria's borders meet. Two of those countries aren't exactly whole countries. One of them is a Shia theocracy (meanwhile Kurds are mostly Sunni). And the last one is an ultra-nationalist autocracy which has consistently banned Kurdish political parties. We read a cringey CRT teaching guideline about teaching math with physical activity so black people can learn it better. Meanwhile in Turkey, you can't teach fractions in Kurdish. All of this is to say, Kurdish separatist efforts in Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Turkey are vastly more justified than black separatist movements in the US.
@@extremedrumming3393 I don't think either should be laughed at. Like some people get tatoos or piercings and those shouldn't be laughed at either ya know? Why can't we be nice to each other.
Destiny was using the same obfuscation as this lady to deny that Nick Fuentes is a Nazi. I wish he had just stuck to "if someone is interesting and treats me well, I can look past their abhorrent views". That was at least honest.
The difference is when destiny says he’s not sure if nick was a nazi, he still held strong moral language about nick’s views being unacceptable. It’s not like the two options were “nazi” and “normie”. The discussion was if it was even useful to parade around calling people nazi’s or if it was more productive to talk about the views themselves and demonstrate why they are morally abhorrent.
not a fan of Vaush recently but why is everbody saying the girl is making him look good here? Vaush is unironically great here, regardless of his silly debate partner. Calm, well spoken and rational.
I think it's mostly just Dgg tribalism. I'm not the biggest vaush fan especially recently but I think it's bad optics for both Vaush and Destiny to admit when the both of them did something good. Not only because of deep personal beef but it also drives views.
IMO both Destiny and Vaush benifit from drama baiting each other. Destiny will be overly uncharitable of Vaush and Vaush will be overly uncharitable towards Destiny
"He is great here" I mean I guess if you think winning a debate against a lobotomy patient is super impressive, it's not he who made himself look good, it's the complete retardation of Katee that did.
I dont think she even knows what the debate is about. She only hears "black" and "i disagree" and shes looking for a way to make this about being anti-black.
Destiny going "OOOHH 😎" after every debate bro "dunk" vaush does instead of just talking like a normal human being makes vaush just bearable enough for me to listen to
I'm pretty upset seeing Katee's hair. That is clear cultural appropriation and as a proud Ally I am shaking with tears in my eyes to see her usurp a BIPOC centric hair expression. Her employer will hear about this.
I think you just don't pay attention to anything she says. because she speaks with conviction (most of the time) and isn't a pushover. I guess sometimes she takes like 30 seconds to formulate a thought or something? is that what you mean? Is your attention span so fried that after 30 seconds you already lost attention?
@@sugarbirb5145 Not as embarrassed as you should be for being incapable of stringing together a coherent question. Lmfao imagine accusing me of not thinking after spewing out that absolute gem. You know you can plan this out, it's all text based, you have all the time in the world to figure out how express your wrong opinions. Do better.
At this point, I'm willing to allege that Katee probably is repulsed by her own skin tone to such a degree that it renders her incapable of honest dialogue.
Black separatism is definitely a dumb position, I feel like it was useful during the time that it originated, but it’s completely misguided nowadays. And I’ve found that most people who are black separatists today are just uncritically stealing and regurgitating the viewpoints of black separatists of the past. It’s literally like getting in a time machine when speaking to them. When I was younger, I was friendly with a few people who were part of a separatist group. I would always question them about their beliefs, and eventually I asked one too many questions and they just stopped speaking to me 😂
I had a friend in middle school who I just kind of lost touch with because we went to different high schools. After high school we met again through my girlfriends friends but suddenly she was like a hotep black supremacist. She still acted friendly to me in person but I’d see the crazy stuff she was posting on Facebook about how white people were inherently evil and it really freaked me out.
They also murder a lot apparently according to Vaush. Kinda crazy you can make claims like that in this community and never have to prove or substantiate it. Makes all these "debates" feel like idiots confidently talking out of their ass.
Also there's a big difference between making private spaces that you control the membership I.E. private business or homes and only allowing x group to be allowed there vs making segregation the law in public land or territory. Plus it's impossible to actually do this without a willing population of non-black people to agree on the terms or else it's going to be war, genocide, etc. If you ask these people "how do you intend to create an ethnostate and where" they never have any answer that holds up to basic scrutiny because it's functionally impossible to do without massive logistical issues
@@idimo7976 Because Black people ARE America/Americans. Black people helped build and cultivate America and Black people helped enrich America. Why would Black people as an entire race just leave a land they helped develop?
Most blatant clickbait I've seen in destiny's content so far, pretty disappointing to see. I've had to ditch content creators in the past for delving into clickbait titles and wasting my time in the process, hope this isn't going to be one of those time.
Fascism - Nationalist State and Nationalist Market Socialism following the moral and policy guide of Dottrina Fascista by Giovanni Gentile. NAZI - NationalSozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei/NationalSOCIALIST German Worker's Party. Before anyone claps back, better come at me with 1933-1945 German economics, because yeah they're definitely state and market socialists, but not Marxists. Hagel is their thought leader prior to Gentile and Mussolini. I like PRIVATE and VOLUNTARY transactions of goods and services. And yes, it would be nice to have some time in history as a reference NOT 1919-1945
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Destiny get this worked up by a white person being just as charitable to white people as she’s being to black people. Destiny can have full conversations with Nick Fuentes being super racist against black people and not bat an eye and in fact declare Nick Fuentes “very intelligent”… and then get super worked up by this woman defending black people. The more I watch Destiny, the more I realize he’s far more accepting of anti black sentiment than he is of anti white… and it’s a shame because for the last year I watched his content religiously.
Where did Destiny get worked up in this entire video? He barely said anything. The most he got worked up throughout this entire video was when, midway through, he went through an ENTIRELY unrelated rant about the other lady. He spent the majority of the video sarcastically memeing. Also, he's not laughing at any pro or anti black sentiment, he's laughing at the idea of someone going to debate someone and then saying "I'm not educated enough to tell you why you're wrong, but you're wrong" because that's retarded as fuck. Destiny is probably the only guy who's ever called Nick Fuentes on his bullshit face to face and you're sitting there like an idiot going "yeah it seems like he agrees with nick fuentes"
Well something deemed "super racist" against black people by todays standards is often the truth while being overly charitable to some black people is lying.
I’m new to the whole UA-cam podcaster thing, but there’s one thing I haven’t quite got my head around yet…. This Vaush guy seems incredibly obnoxious, unpleasant, and if a lot of the anecdotes I see around are anything to go by, somewhat of a pr*dator too. So……… what gives? Why do people listen to him?
It’s so odd. He talks like his shit smells like perfume. I guess the only people that like him are either severely mentally unstable or they have the same personality as him. He’s gross.
"It's Amazing!" 8 minutes in and I'm not mad at Vaush's takes even with Destiny's ooohhhhs in the background making it seem as if it was something radical. Let's see if we make it 10🤷♂️
He's playing a character, his Irishladdie days were the closest thing to him becoming a real boy, but he reverted back to his original Birch or possibly Maple self, lol.
He gets by purely on flowery language and feeding into insane leftists view that Nazis are around every corner and they are the only ones that can pick them out in milliseconds.
“Nazism is just a sociological and time specific version of fascism based off of the needs of Germany.” So you’re saying black liberation can be closely compared to Nazism, I find that anti black.” Rinse and repeat
I love this idea of putting bl Infront of things to make them black versions of it lmao.......black+Puerto Ricans= Blortoricans, black+Santa=Blanta, black+conservatives=Blanservatives😅
"let me educate you about how uneducated you are about this topic but I can't educate you because I'm not educated enough on this topic therefore you're wrong" non educating intensifies
Her talking about "Material Conditions" making the black separatist views better than the nazis is just false. Post WWI Germany was pretty awful to live in and it could be argued that the German people were being "oppressed" with the poor conditions of Germany at the time. Just a bad argument all together.
In south Africa the Dutch had a colony that lived in peace and equality with the natives...then valuable resoces were found and the English invaded. They lost the first invasion and in the second invasion the English actually INVENTED concentration camps for the Dutch families to imprison them till the fighting age men had to surrender...then the English Instituted Apartide to control the blacks.
Yawn. Destiny is driven by maximizing meso-level spite. That’s all. That’s the beginning and the end of Destiny’s principles. Destiny isn’t this third form, or whatever you want to call it, crap
As someone from a conquered nation that fought for independance for centuries, the Kurdistan argument is so dumb... It's downright disrespectful to compare the kurdish fight to black separatists. A nation is not a race. Sure, there's often some ethnicity related to it and different levels of exclusivness, but it's more about langage, culture, history, etc. This common misunderstanding of nationalism is so annoying for nations that don't have their independance yet. People nowadays think that nationalism is just far-right or white supremacy while it was literally the basis for the emergence of Enlighment and the advent of liberal societies at the end of the XVIIIe century (political institutions that reflect the will of a people in a precise territory instead of collections of peoples under foreign monarchies/empires).
Isn't this kinda just stealing vowsh's content? I'm not one to defend him but there's nothing "transformative" about giggling for half an hour at his stream and then reposting it.
15:45 as per usual, braindead people being braindead. "Destiny said the guy was threatening to kidnap her dog but he never said anything like that!" The Guy: "If your'e going to do what you want to then I'm going to do what I want to BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT! COME HERE PUPPY" Her: "He won't come to you" The Guy: "WE'LL SEE ABOUT THAT" Excuse me? In what world is that not stronlgy emphatically insinuating he is trying to take the damn dog from her.
Vaush takes himself so seriously while pretending he can actually laugh at himself like Destiny can It must be a painful experience to wake up and be like “fuck I’m Vaush”
Dude is well above the median income and has a lax af job--as he hardly prepare for anything anymore. You really think that's a painful experience? Have you been outside lately? You're letting parasocial hate rot your brain.
Reading the comments of this video are insane to me. Vaush literally doesnt say anything wrong in this video and people are like "oh how can anyone listen to this guy" like he makes good points sometimes that isnt a insane idea.
Reading this comment is insane to me. I've read 50 comments and 1 or 2 may have said something similar to what this commenter claims a lot of people are saying, but most say something similar to what he claims people should be saying, but claims aren't. Also, why would anyone find it insane for people who've been watching Vaush for years to have a settled opinion about him that isn't going to change due to his supposed rightness during one appearance?
How is naziism 3 already out and I haven’t even started naziism 2
I’m barely through the content update patch for 1.5!
💀
😂
Damn it must be pretty popular to get a 3rd season
I'm in Nazism 2.5. Definitely a good improvement over 2. I can't wait to get my hands on 3 lmao
Here's this girl's argument summed up: "I don't know enough to argue or support my opinion. But I know enough to know that you're wrong."
That is katee in a nutshell
@@AllYouHaveToDoIsBeHonest Does every Jewish person need to tell you what they think about a country in the middle east?
That's most people to be fair.
@@Gizzardx0 Yes it's 2023 you have to have an opinion about anything and everything political even if it's your first time hearing about it /s
@revolioclockbergjr.6780 if people want to act like they know about a certain topic while a very adjacent topic to the original exists, especially when it's tied closely to their own heritage and culture, then yeah, they probably should have an opinion on it. If they claim not to, they are most likely wilfully ignorant or clueless
POLITICS IN A DESTINY VIDEO?
Politics? In my Destiny Video?
@@nicememes7570 It's more likely than you think!
The last thing you’d want in your destiny video is somebody’s politics- but it turns out, that might be just what you get
Destiny doesn’t deal with real “politics” per say, he does Cultural Warrior LARPing pretend politics. He would also probably tell you the same. Covering streamer drama ain’t politics.
@@jnnx
Its almost a meme how often Vauwsh uses the term facist. Literally the stereotype of leftists
Vaush is how the average conservative thinks liberals are like.
Fascist doesn't really mean anything anymore. Nobody uses that term correctly
His parents are fascists because they live in Beverly Hills.
dont forget that each death is genocide.
@@brendanstanley9323 oh yeah just like notsee doesn’t mean anything and you can’t call Nick a notsee because of… reasons
destiny laughing like a teapot is the funniest shit ever
idk why but i cringe uncontrollably when ppl fake laugh bro. like why tf do ppl do that shit ever. i understand being uncomfortable and doing it, but why here
Lmao I LOVE when destiny hate watches Vaush and makes snide remarks the whole time. Lol his voice at 25:10 “I’ve done videos…I’ve done videeeooooosss on this you bitch…!” I replayed this more times than I’d like to admit.
@@DavidJones-ot8qu destiny was fake laughing?
@@MrAndeweg sounded like it; he’s fake laughing like 90% of the time. i think he’s just constantly on edge tbh
😂
Vaush: "I don't agree with black separatism"
Katee: "That's really anti-black of you. Let me educate you on my people"
*PINK DREADS INTENSIFY*
It is indeed anti-black if the separatism is done voluntarily, because that would imply opposition to the separatist's freedom of association to associate only with people of like racial background. This concern also holds true for anti-white bigots who oppose white separatism. Live and let live; don't force people to interact with those they would prefer to avoid.
@@3112-x9r In a vaccuum you might be right, however in this case that "separatist's freedom to associate" is a euphemism for forming a black ethnostate. He's disagreeing with a racist, fascist, reactionary system of governance and not someone's individual freedom.
@@pakman184 It is not immoral to have an ethnostate among people who all consent to having it. You are not entitled to interacting with a set of people who wish to keep to themselves. That is what it means to have the freedom of association. All forms of racial separatism are acceptable so long as they do not infringe upon the rights of other people.
@@3112-x9r Again, you're thinking of this in a vacuum instead of the reality we live in. An ethnostate does not just suddenly pop up out of nowhere, full of everyone who wants to live there. Ethnostates are built by tyrannical and fascishistic leaders who kill, imprison, deport, and/or genocide the people who do not "belong" within it. There is no reality where an ethnostate appears without it infringing on the rights of many.
@@3112-x9r
Leave it to Katee to make Vaush sound reasonable
What does this Jewish woman think about the Israeli ethnostate?
@@AllYouHaveToDoIsBeHonest in a roundabout way it's misogyny somehow
@@AllYouHaveToDoIsBeHonest what do you think about people spamming videos with copy pasted replies?
vaush is reasonable
@@liamparkos7698
it's dgg brain rot
I get the feeling that Vaush and Destiny are so far removed from each other, that they now take each others hyperbolic irony posting seriosuly, which prompts further hyperbolic irony posting.
Two confident idiots
I’d agree if it wasn’t for the fact that I’m pretty sure that’s the first Destiny clip Vaush has had on his stream in like a year lmao, meanwhile Destiny is out here with his videos on Picture in Picture for literally hours in some streams. Destiny has all the context in the world to understand when Vaush is engaging in the exact same shitposting Destiny does (Ctrl-V) and yet (because yes - Destiny’s beliefs are spite driven regardless on how much you think making it a ‘meme’ changes the fact) whenever Vaush shitposts every DGG’er on the planet will suddenly pretend to 100% believe the statement and get triggered at the totally not ironic or overexaggerated remark lmao
It’s like the most autistist horseshoe theory were working with
@@Vin_Venture896 Vaush is kinda getting cozy with the post ironic humor when talking about Destiny though. His statement is clearly too dumb to be taken seriously but there's Vaushites that will believe it and use it for shitslinging against Destiny.
Fucked up situation really, they could've been a socdem/lefty juggernaut together.
@@Vin_Venture896 HOLY FUCK BASED.
Katee is so wrong. Black separatist absolutely think they are the superior race. Black separatist/ black nationalism is almost no different than nazism.
Man, it must be way harder to think you are the superior race if you happen to be black.
Vaush based AF. Racial separatism of any kind is authoritarianism or authoritarianism adjacent, and also Katee was her usual bag of awful
On the other end, what happens if they get what they want?
What leader or group of leaders are going to represent ALL black people? XD It's silliness. Ethnostates are a bad idea wholesale.
@@TecTitan True, exactly.
Really wish Katie would just stop talking period. Every single time I hear her speaking there's always multiple moments when she wants to tell people how they're wrong but then back track to I'm not educated enough on this subject....
But how do you feel about the Pink dread extensions?
@ezra Goldberg fairly certain those were cheap box braids and I really don't care about them as cultures across the globe have had a multitude of different braid styles. So I'm not gonna waste my time attempting to police each individual culture type to match them to the person wearing them.
@@ezragoldberg3132 is there a word that means "I want to burn that thing to death in a fire" ??? That word is how I feel about wearing fake dreads
@@ezragoldberg3132 one of the most horrific creatures I’ve ever seen online. Appearance is part of being taken seriously in society, I don’t like it either but that’s just the way it is. And then people like this crawl out of the woodwork and expect to be treated like an intellectual while looking like a nu-metal groupie
This comment section is crazy. How anyone can think this chick was on the side of logic is beyond me. You may not like the guy but she had no business even showing up to that “debate.” How can you openly admit you are uneducated on the topic and have the gall to immediately tell someone who is educated that they’re wrong and not give a single reason why? The fact she even agreed to have this “debate” tells us just how dumb she is.
She actually asked to be on and debate him too. He didn’t ask her. Guess she was confident and crumbled.
Most of the YT comments on Destiny videos lean towards the right. Destiny's subreddit is much more left-leaning than his UA-cam community.
You can tell most people commenting haven't even watched the video. They saw the title and thumbnail and assumed that Destiny and Vaush weren't on the same side but they are lol.
@@Apollo-iq1vx That has nothing to do with it. The right would side with Vaush on this, obviously.
It’s VDS (Vaush Derangement Syndrome).
“Blitler” is my new go to slur.
YOOO this DLC is INSANE. We got Blitler AND Nazism 3 in the same expansion!? These devs are built different, I wonder what the next story arc is gonna be like
Delivers on their promises
unlike ow2
I genuinely don't understand how Vaush's audience still takes him seriously.
We were always in it for the lulz
Look at all the “leftist” audiences. They tend to have hive mind mentality, mob mentality and hero worship of their internet “leaders”. They just blindly accept anything they say and don’t bother looking for context. Hassan or Vaouwnsche will watch a 5 second clip and draw immediate conclusions based purely on ideological grounds. Facts be damned.
So is it really that surprising?
Just like i genuinely dont understand how you can say so little with how many comments you post
@@lilthreadd cope
If you pay close attention, it's his audience who feeds him the narrative they want to hear, it's a bit of an audience capture
She says she's not educated enough on the topic to explain the difference between black nationalism and black separatism, yet is educated enough on the topics to argue in favor of those things?
Amazin'.
Is there that much of a difference between black separatism and black nationalism?? I kinda thought they were the same thing
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor It seems like Katee couldn’t tell you
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor I think not all black nationalists are separatists, but probably all separatists are nationalists.
GET EM JLP 🥳
Good ol' Krunning Duger. I've studied this stuff for entire minutes.
LMAO NEEDS SOMEONE WITH AN AGGRESSIVE AND STRONG PERSONALITY AND HE PICKS FARHA!
Dudes will say anything for some ass
I can't wait until Destiny stops tryna kick start her career tbh, not even tryna be mean she just isn't interesting.
Calm down hes got diversity quotas to fill.
@@sticks7857 "diversity" I ain't seen one fat chick yet!
I read this in Quarntos voice
Katee somehow manages to make Vaush look good. I swear every time she opens her mouth it's a disaster. 😂
Why is she even talking with Vaush about topics she understands very little about? She was unable to even defend her own position or substantiate her criticisms. She was so out of her element.
"🤓 Actually you should listen to black supremacist experts so they can educate you on why you're wrong. I'm certainly in no position to do so but I know for a fact that you're wrong. 🤓"
Bruh came here to say this, she just kept saying "you're bad because people are saying you don't understand it.", "Ok what am I getting wrong?", "I'm not well educated on it, but people on the internet I talk to say you're wrong". Then let them come on and talk, Jesus
She wasn't wrong but couldn't defend the point
@@myronwilliams3340 I'm pretty sure she is wrong. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think this whole thing started because Vaush disagreed with Prof. Flower's support for the deportation of white South Africans. Vaush is arguing against such ideologies.
Only katee could make vaush look good Jesus Christs
@@AllYouHaveToDoIsBeHonest Over 20% of Israeli citizens are not Jewish so how is Israel an ethnostate?
Man the “im not educated enough to explain this but am educated enough to say you’re wrong” thing drives me up the wall. If you cant defend your positions dont speak on them.
Aka not knowing right from wrong and just wanting to blindly virtue signal for shallow self interests instead
That sentiment used as body armour to protect themselves against fellow lefties. She knows she is being watched and has to tread carefully, she’s a HWhite woman talking about black sepretism after all
But she has emotions and needs to be validated 😂
I cannot believe i actually agree with Vaush on something. Holy shit.
*Confused Cena Face*
This is wild do you understand how crazy someone has to be to let vaush sound like the most reasonable person in the room. I actually forgot I was waiting for him to call destiny a nazi
Word
My brain is in pieces, shes actually making vaush seem reasomable af right here
He is reasonable af
He already is
Really weird how Vaush can have a conversation like this and also have his reaction to the NY bike "Karen" in such a short amount of time.
It’s because this conversation is about takes from a time where he still tried
Vaush misrepresening Destiny's positions??? *shocked pikachu face*
This has never happened with Vaush ever!
Destiny at 8:18 literally can’t let Vaush finish a sentence before misinterpreting something he says.
@@josevonbuergenwader2 He does this all the time, and his fans do exactly the same. They just parrot any nonsense this dude says. Shits insanity
@@josevonbuergenwader2 Did you watch the video past that to where Destiny immediately corrects himself or did the soy take ahold of your brain?
@@JohnDoe-kn7ex just leave them to stew in their brain rot. They're Vauwsh fans, their capacity for critical thinking isn't exactly great.
With respect to the Kurds and Kurdistan, their situation is not at all comparable with black separatism.
The US is a liberal democracy which first had to fight a violent war to grant personhood to black people, but after which black people were able to advocate for themselves through peaceful means, i.e. civil rights.
The Kurds are an ethnic minority from the Kurdistan region. The Kurdistan region spans where Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Syria's borders meet. Two of those countries aren't exactly whole countries. One of them is a Shia theocracy (meanwhile Kurds are mostly Sunni). And the last one is an ultra-nationalist autocracy which has consistently banned Kurdish political parties.
We read a cringey CRT teaching guideline about teaching math with physical activity so black people can learn it better. Meanwhile in Turkey, you can't teach fractions in Kurdish.
All of this is to say, Kurdish separatist efforts in Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Turkey are vastly more justified than black separatist movements in the US.
Yeah, if it was still Jim Crow era in USA, the situations would be more comparable
Destiny laughing at somebody else’s hair is hilarious
I'll never understand why people like you get so scandalized by colored hair.
@@extremedrumming3393 I don't think either should be laughed at. Like some people get tatoos or piercings and those shouldn't be laughed at either ya know? Why can't we be nice to each other.
@@rapidashrorschachtest430 this is the internet, being nice is vanilla and cringe
@@rapidashrorschachtest430we should laugh at those people. They look like clowns.
19:34 destiny sounds like a teapot whistling 😂
Tea is ready 🧓🏻
Destiny was using the same obfuscation as this lady to deny that Nick Fuentes is a Nazi. I wish he had just stuck to "if someone is interesting and treats me well, I can look past their abhorrent views". That was at least honest.
The difference is when destiny says he’s not sure if nick was a nazi, he still held strong moral language about nick’s views being unacceptable. It’s not like the two options were “nazi” and “normie”. The discussion was if it was even useful to parade around calling people nazi’s or if it was more productive to talk about the views themselves and demonstrate why they are morally abhorrent.
not a fan of Vaush recently but why is everbody saying the girl is making him look good here? Vaush is unironically great here, regardless of his silly debate partner. Calm, well spoken and rational.
I think it's mostly just Dgg tribalism. I'm not the biggest vaush fan especially recently but I think it's bad optics for both Vaush and Destiny to admit when the both of them did something good. Not only because of deep personal beef but it also drives views.
IMO both Destiny and Vaush benifit from drama baiting each other. Destiny will be overly uncharitable of Vaush and Vaush will be overly uncharitable towards Destiny
@@Stardustphantom97 Destiny obviously knows Vaush has double the iq of Katee but is laughing at all the Vaushisms for the meme potential
That's true. Thank god I orbit both of these guys.
"He is great here" I mean I guess if you think winning a debate against a lobotomy patient is super impressive, it's not he who made himself look good, it's the complete retardation of Katee that did.
I dont think she even knows what the debate is about. She only hears "black" and "i disagree" and shes looking for a way to make this about being anti-black.
Destiny going "OOOHH 😎" after every debate bro "dunk" vaush does instead of just talking like a normal human being makes vaush just bearable enough for me to listen to
I love it so much, I can't even articulate why
@@junk1308
Same 😭😭😭
If Farha is a "strong personality" then I am Andrew Tate.
I'm 6'6" and in complete control of my life.
She is tho. Why the Farha hate?
@@Seri-dy5dd Because she’s boring and is devoid of any charisma. She’s like every other basic feminist out there with no new or interesting opinions.
@@jalenbelin6569 I thinks she is smarter than the average feminist out there and can weasel around in a conversation well.
@@Seri-dy5dd hope she sees this bro
Wait… are you serious? destiny is doing a podcast with farha, fuck
It'll last 2 months tops, he's done similar ventures in the past and never sticks with them.
@@codyb.3015 Not to mention he always does them with very snakey people and always gives the other party way more credit than they deserve
Him and chud logic would be a way better duo
Hold on, we are on Nazism 3? when did i miss Nazism 1.5 and 2.0 wtf? I havemore questions now 😂😂😂
I think 1.5 was when the American skinhead arrive but I still don't know what patch 2 and 2.5 was
Jokes on you, Nazism 3 is just the Overwatch 2 of Nazism 1. We were promised a new mode but the only change is there's less players.
I am become racism
I'm so proud of this community
Based
damnnn destiny wants vaush back soooooo bad lmaooo
???
I don't think so lol
At least it wasn't Nazism IV: Blinking an odd number of times in half the rooms you go in. That one's *really* bad!
I'm pretty upset seeing Katee's hair. That is clear cultural appropriation and as a proud Ally I am shaking with tears in my eyes to see her usurp a BIPOC centric hair expression. Her employer will hear about this.
I don't know. Destiny saying "oooohhhhhhh" every five seconds kind of gets to me.
It’s really fucking annoying.
Made me laugh.
How is anything vaush said to her in any way objectionable?
It isn't, "Vaush bad" is the new "America bad" the political position.
I love Destiny’s worn out squeaky toy laugh.
*Nazism III: This time, we're going global*
"[Farha] barely talks just blankly stares" That's actual FACTS
I know ya’ll play those videos as background noise because this is not true 💀
I think you just don't pay attention to anything she says. because she speaks with conviction (most of the time) and isn't a pushover. I guess sometimes she takes like 30 seconds to formulate a thought or something? is that what you mean? Is your attention span so fried that after 30 seconds you already lost attention?
Are you embarrassed that thinking before talking is something she can do and you possibly can’t ?
@@sugarbirb5145 Not as embarrassed as you should be for being incapable of stringing together a coherent question. Lmfao imagine accusing me of not thinking after spewing out that absolute gem. You know you can plan this out, it's all text based, you have all the time in the world to figure out how express your wrong opinions. Do better.
Vaush talks like a video game NPC
@amifiii265 He is the dumb persons version of a smart guy.
6:50
Ladies and gentlemen, the extremely rare based vaush moment.
Katee is so insufferable she makes Vaush looks good in comparison.
Ive never seen Destiny laugh and fold over like that before lmao
Look up "What is an NFT" and you'll see his Limit Break fold
She is not well educated enough to have to make a statement but is educated enough to just say the dude is wrong. She is bulletproof 🤣
At this point, I'm willing to allege that Katee probably is repulsed by her own skin tone to such a degree that it renders her incapable of honest dialogue.
Black separatism is definitely a dumb position, I feel like it was useful during the time that it originated, but it’s completely misguided nowadays. And I’ve found that most people who are black separatists today are just uncritically stealing and regurgitating the viewpoints of black separatists of the past. It’s literally like getting in a time machine when speaking to them. When I was younger, I was friendly with a few people who were part of a separatist group. I would always question them about their beliefs, and eventually I asked one too many questions and they just stopped speaking to me 😂
I had a friend in middle school who I just kind of lost touch with because we went to different high schools. After high school we met again through my girlfriends friends but suddenly she was like a hotep black supremacist.
She still acted friendly to me in person but I’d see the crazy stuff she was posting on Facebook about how white people were inherently evil and it really freaked me out.
They also murder a lot apparently according to Vaush. Kinda crazy you can make claims like that in this community and never have to prove or substantiate it. Makes all these "debates" feel like idiots confidently talking out of their ass.
Also there's a big difference between making private spaces that you control the membership I.E. private business or homes and only allowing x group to be allowed there vs making segregation the law in public land or territory. Plus it's impossible to actually do this without a willing population of non-black people to agree on the terms or else it's going to be war, genocide, etc.
If you ask these people "how do you intend to create an ethnostate and where" they never have any answer that holds up to basic scrutiny because it's functionally impossible to do without massive logistical issues
Why is it misguided nowadays?
@@idimo7976 Because Black people ARE America/Americans. Black people helped build and cultivate America and Black people helped enrich America. Why would Black people as an entire race just leave a land they helped develop?
This title is pretty misleading. Destiny basically agreed with vaush for the most part in this debate.
But that doesn't get as many clicks
What grifters do bro. Your feelings for clicks.
Most blatant clickbait I've seen in destiny's content so far, pretty disappointing to see. I've had to ditch content creators in the past for delving into clickbait titles and wasting my time in the process, hope this isn't going to be one of those time.
@@bangkokinc.4233 you might want to look at what the word grifter means
@@sticks7857 stop crying about clickbait you tiny baby, that’s how UA-camrs get people to click on their videos
why do online people say Nazi so much?
Welcome to the Internet buddy. You'll never be the same
Fascism - Nationalist State and Nationalist Market Socialism following the moral and policy guide of Dottrina Fascista by Giovanni Gentile.
NAZI - NationalSozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei/NationalSOCIALIST German Worker's Party. Before anyone claps back, better come at me with 1933-1945 German economics, because yeah they're definitely state and market socialists, but not Marxists. Hagel is their thought leader prior to Gentile and Mussolini.
I like PRIVATE and VOLUNTARY transactions of goods and services.
And yes, it would be nice to have some time in history as a reference NOT 1919-1945
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Destiny get this worked up by a white person being just as charitable to white people as she’s being to black people. Destiny can have full conversations with Nick Fuentes being super racist against black people and not bat an eye and in fact declare Nick Fuentes “very intelligent”… and then get super worked up by this woman defending black people. The more I watch Destiny, the more I realize he’s far more accepting of anti black sentiment than he is of anti white… and it’s a shame because for the last year I watched his content religiously.
Agreed. I feel like he's in general much more forgiving of hardline conservative ideas than he is of far left ideas.
Where did Destiny get worked up in this entire video? He barely said anything. The most he got worked up throughout this entire video was when, midway through, he went through an ENTIRELY unrelated rant about the other lady.
He spent the majority of the video sarcastically memeing. Also, he's not laughing at any pro or anti black sentiment, he's laughing at the idea of someone going to debate someone and then saying "I'm not educated enough to tell you why you're wrong, but you're wrong" because that's retarded as fuck.
Destiny is probably the only guy who's ever called Nick Fuentes on his bullshit face to face and you're sitting there like an idiot going "yeah it seems like he agrees with nick fuentes"
Well something deemed "super racist" against black people by todays standards is often the truth while being overly charitable to some black people is lying.
Vaush is just so good at this.
Lmao i thought mr girl was insane until destiny announced his podcast with Farah
Nazism 3 the new patch for Nazism 2 Blood and Soil the RPG.
I’m new to the whole UA-cam podcaster thing, but there’s one thing I haven’t quite got my head around yet….
This Vaush guy seems incredibly obnoxious, unpleasant, and if a lot of the anecdotes I see around are anything to go by, somewhat of a pr*dator too. So……… what gives? Why do people listen to him?
It’s so odd. He talks like his shit smells like perfume. I guess the only people that like him are either severely mentally unstable or they have the same personality as him. He’s gross.
"It's Amazing!" 8 minutes in and I'm not mad at Vaush's takes even with Destiny's ooohhhhs in the background making it seem as if it was something radical. Let's see if we make it 10🤷♂️
I'm still not convinced Vaush is a real person, and not just playing a character.
I'm convinced he's an undercover Nazi: that's why his character is the worst possible Leftist.
"Control the opposition by BECOMING the opposition"
He's playing a character, his Irishladdie days were the closest thing to him becoming a real boy, but he reverted back to his original Birch or possibly Maple self, lol.
He gets by purely on flowery language and feeding into insane leftists view that Nazis are around every corner and they are the only ones that can pick them out in milliseconds.
The way he talks…with such self assurance with only a bachelors degree is hilarious.
@@jimmyramos1989 He can tell things more about a 2 millisecond clip then anyone else possibly can.....hes that smart!! the white one is bad!!
Vowsh is starting to sound like some guru who's been cooped up in his hideout and not gone out once since 2020.
Damn, Vaush is now red pilled and based!
“Nazism is just a sociological and time specific version of fascism based off of the needs of Germany.”
So you’re saying black liberation can be closely compared to Nazism, I find that anti black.”
Rinse and repeat
Destiny is the white Blitler!
vaush has a broken clock moment, racial separatism is pretty destructive
Destiny was definitely on something in this
Adderall and/or her period
Vaush's position in a nutshell: We can't let blacks separate because we need them here to crush white colonialism and raise trans awareness.
I love this idea of putting bl Infront of things to make them black versions of it lmao.......black+Puerto Ricans= Blortoricans, black+Santa=Blanta, black+conservatives=Blanservatives😅
Blanta is going to be a thing, I see it on front of my eyes ! Maybe it’s going to appear as a a bad comedy Movie.
Blanta 💀
Black + Orville Redenbacher = Blorville
@@realmcafee what the world really needs right now is a Blacula movie.
Blapes...dont ask me what I meant by that.
Vaushs cadence deepens every day.
Not to be pedantic, but cadence means something like "rhythm" or "tempo. Perhaps you mean "tone", or just "voice"?
"let me educate you about how uneducated you are about this topic but I can't educate you because I'm not educated enough on this topic therefore you're wrong"
non educating intensifies
It a pretty cold day in hell when I agree with Vaush on things. Hope everyone down there packed a sweater.
Her talking about "Material Conditions" making the black separatist views better than the nazis is just false. Post WWI Germany was pretty awful to live in and it could be argued that the German people were being "oppressed" with the poor conditions of Germany at the time. Just a bad argument all together.
How do people take vaush seriously?
Idk lol he so cringe
I'm not sure that they do ...
Imagine a smart guy for dumb people, thats Vaush.
Someone needs to make a supercut of Vaush comparing people to Nazis. It would be hours long.
this was actually a good vausch piece. well done sir
Brain Giffen seems reasonable compared to the separatist advocate
Who let the air out of the ballon.😂😂😂 19:34
My favorite blue haired naz*.
This is the most semantics driven conversation I’ve ever heard. God damn this is frustrating
In south Africa the Dutch had a colony that lived in peace and equality with the natives...then valuable resoces were found and the English invaded. They lost the first invasion and in the second invasion the English actually INVENTED concentration camps for the Dutch families to imprison them till the fighting age men had to surrender...then the English Instituted Apartide to control the blacks.
Destiny's wheeze is like a fine wine
Yawn. Destiny is driven by maximizing meso-level spite. That’s all. That’s the beginning and the end of Destiny’s principles. Destiny isn’t this third form, or whatever you want to call it, crap
Destiny in his mind rent free.
He’s addressing destiny?! You would answer too, specially if you have more followers.
@@realmcafee I don't want more followers, I have no interest in e-celeb drama and bs.
@@Based_Stuhlingerreally? You're in the wrong comment section then, you self-aggrandizing liar.
As someone from a conquered nation that fought for independance for centuries, the Kurdistan argument is so dumb... It's downright disrespectful to compare the kurdish fight to black separatists. A nation is not a race. Sure, there's often some ethnicity related to it and different levels of exclusivness, but it's more about langage, culture, history, etc. This common misunderstanding of nationalism is so annoying for nations that don't have their independance yet. People nowadays think that nationalism is just far-right or white supremacy while it was literally the basis for the emergence of Enlighment and the advent of liberal societies at the end of the XVIIIe century (political institutions that reflect the will of a people in a precise territory instead of collections of peoples under foreign monarchies/empires).
Destiny in summary:
"OOOOOOooooooohh"
Pretty cool that Destiny turns into a Banshee at 19:34. Never knew he could do that!
Vawsh is real good at sounding smart and confident on some dumb bs take
Isn't this kinda just stealing vowsh's content? I'm not one to defend him but there's nothing "transformative" about giggling for half an hour at his stream and then reposting it.
Wouldn't black people hating Nazism be anti-white liberation if you followed her logic?
More importantly she lost her job and had to go through re-education training
15:45 as per usual, braindead people being braindead. "Destiny said the guy was threatening to kidnap her dog but he never said anything like that!" The Guy: "If your'e going to do what you want to then I'm going to do what I want to BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT! COME HERE PUPPY" Her: "He won't come to you" The Guy: "WE'LL SEE ABOUT THAT"
Excuse me? In what world is that not stronlgy emphatically insinuating he is trying to take the damn dog from her.
obamna
It's funny to think that white supremacists and black separatists might actually get along.
I’ve never seen destiny in this good of a mood
👃🍭
2:20 translation: if I want to get in their pants, that means you have to believe they're good content. You have to pretend with me.
Vaush and Destiny. 2 egotistical hypocrites fighting each other. Nice
These are the best conversations because I have no idea what anyone's talking about and why they care.
Vaush takes himself so seriously while pretending he can actually laugh at himself like Destiny can
It must be a painful experience to wake up and be like “fuck I’m Vaush”
they dont know u bro. relax
this is pure cope lmao
I’m sure
Dude is well above the median income and has a lax af job--as he hardly prepare for anything anymore. You really think that's a painful experience? Have you been outside lately? You're letting parasocial hate rot your brain.
@@phoneAntics why did you delete your embarrassing rant about people making fun of vaush's speech patterns?
Reading the comments of this video are insane to me. Vaush literally doesnt say anything wrong in this video and people are like "oh how can anyone listen to this guy" like he makes good points sometimes that isnt a insane idea.
The tribalism is strong with the DGG crowd, unfortunately. They can't see that they agree with Vaush on a lot. Ian was never a saint.
It's because Destiny doesn't like him. It's rare they go against whatever stance Destiny has made.
Yeah, the shit slinging between DGG and Vaushites gets really pointless sometimes.
True but his good points are completely eclipsed by his gargantuan shit takes.
Reading this comment is insane to me. I've read 50 comments and 1 or 2 may have said something similar to what this commenter claims a lot of people are saying, but most say something similar to what he claims people should be saying, but claims aren't.
Also, why would anyone find it insane for people who've been watching Vaush for years to have a settled opinion about him that isn't going to change due to his supposed rightness during one appearance?
I've not seen Vaush much lately, I thought he'd grown out of calling everyone a Fascist or a Nazi. How wrong I was, he's got worse.