"Sex is only fun because you're gambling on a life" is not a take I thought anyone would ever have. Props for making Vegan Gains look reasonable by comparison though...
@sauved0 you feel attacked? But no, most people don't need the risk of possibly breeding to enjoy z3x with someone. The "purpose " and the pleasure are not one and the same. Unless you have a breeding kink.
“Every man should get a vasectomy.” God that’s definitely gonna be the dumbest shit anyone has said today. “Sex is only fun with the risk of getting pregnant…… Everyone believes in god, if you say you don’t you’re a liar.” I stand corrected.
Vegan Gains is the optimal orbiter. He's like the anti-Dan (who is also the optimal orbiter). We don't see him much, but when we do, it's just top tier bloodsports combat. The guy is completely unable to hold a conversation with a civil tone, and I love it
vegan gains unironically feels like a bad person. qorantos, even maybe someone like zherka, even though unhinged, seems like a person that has empathy but is putting up an act all the time. vegain gains unironically just comes off as someone that has zero empathy and knows that it comes off that way but doesnt care. id rather be friends with literally any other orbiter.
Grace is insane. I wouldn't even consider dating someone who thinks that way even if I did get a snip. I've never been with someone and thought "oh man I might ruin my life right now, that's hot let's roll the dice." She instantly wins the debate for vegan gains by just existing.
"It's only like $10-$30 a month to freeze your sperm if you want kids later. it's relatively cheap" How did no one push back on the cost of fertilizing an egg with frozen sperm? That's an expensive elective medical procedure that insurance doesn't cover.
@@angelmartin7310 She 100% deserved to be mocked lmao. She made claims about women's preferences in general with nothing to back it up. She set the tone of the argument and they only returned the favour.
@waleedabbas4996 I didn't hear mockery, I heard stupidity and strawmanning. If you believe women find the idea of neutered males attractive more often than not, I don't know what to tell you. But comparing a man who 100% cannot have children to someone being *possibly* 10% less fertile than they could be, due to poor diet/smoking/etc is stupid. Plenty of men aren't as fertile as they could be, that doesn't equate to them being neutered and sterile. Most people don't find sterility attractive. That should be obvious.
@@angelmartin7310 If it's obvious, feel free to share the conclusive evidence on this topic then. Lady, actually do the bare minimum and use your brain for once. 😂 Secondly, the breeding bit was definitely mockery. Even lonerbox was getting the same digs in.
People can consent to having a surgery done, pain and discomfort that might come with it. Animals aren’t really consenting to die, their behaviour instead expresses a will to live. Not sure why it’s contradictory to you for someone to be ok with surgeries on themselves and also not eating meat. Seems weirdly combative to call a surgery like that mutilation, would you say to a woman who has had surgery to remove her sex organs for whatever reasons mutilated?
You're literally funding and paying for an industry that systematically slaughters billions of animals every year. Eating meat IS murder whether you like it or not.
@@bamwesty8158 Mutilate: 1. to cut up or alter radically so as to make imperfect 2. to cut off or permanently destroy a limb or essential part of : cripple It is mutilation.
You know what’s a turn off…a woman who wants to entrap you with a kid. “The whole fun is the risk,” 🙄😒. Crazy. I generally don’t like vegan gains. But this chick was out to lunch.
@Budda Brotha responsible adults weigh the pros and cons before making important choices. The risk that comes with sex isn’t worth having sex just because it’s risky and you’ll get a kick out of it. This immature, depraved mindset explains… The ridiculously high STI rates Broken families Child abuse rates Etc. our society is worse off because of this.
Bruhh it has been over a decade now and Vegan Gains is just stuck in time and has not grown as a person at all since like 2012. He comes in all hot and heavy about Destiny spreading misinformation but when it turns out he just confused a "30% reversal fail rate" for a "30% regret rate" like a muppet he doesnt stop even for a second to acknowledge his mistake and he just keeps blindly rolling further as if he is totally nailing it
Anyone else remember the Drunken Peasants days when they would watch his videos and then he would come on and do the exact same stuff he does now? Ah, to be a teenager again.
What an absolute gold mine of content! It's like Destiny is a magnet for batshit crazy yet wildly entertaining people. What a glorious thing to wake up to!
I made the mistake to look up Grace’s content today. Her dad needs serious supervision, and she probably needs help. Top level grooming - disturbing af.
Grace seems smart enough to understand consequences of actions and where she can go to learn more about topics. I'd say she's far above other people who are aimless and only follow the crowds.
The woman arguing that "the fun of sex" is the risk that you may get pregnant is a lunatic. If I knew I could *not* get pregnant, I would be having so much more fun than having to worry if I'm actively in the process of negatively changing my life forever (as someone who *never* wants kids). Send them "neutered males" my way, please and thank you
@@brandonsobremisana6681 Its pretty obvious that the only subject that VG has seriously thought about is veganism. However his shit personality and superiority complex makes any effectiveness moot.
I think she just doesnt have real argument here,because its mostly feelings,but that is true that women find man after vasectomy "less of a man". Her argument are stupid,it has nothing to do with risk,but its true.
Only idiot women think this way. As a woman who's had to juggle hormonal contraceptives repercussions, I find it sexy as hell that a man would take some accountability for his sperms
I think most women would actually agree. Not too many women are gonna be happy u got a vasectomy. Especially if they want to have kids. A LOT of women want to have kids. Moreso as they get older.
There's one thing you can definitely say about Richard: He's not a bullshitter, he's not a grifter. Dude is fully invested in his beliefs, whether you agree with them or not. That's the thing I like about him.
@@mikasasukasa4479 Im not saying hes right, im saying he doesnt obfuscate or lie about his beliefs, and he lives by them. That cant be said for all youtubers.
@@curtisyue182 Living according to your beliefs is useless when your beliefs are based on factually incorrect information lmao. This guy casually spouts of misinformation and came into the call trying to correct Destiny on his "misinformation". Watching a smart person debate a brainless moron is mentally debilitating.
If vasectomies were being advocated for like 35+yr old men then I wouldn't have a problem but i'm not keen about telling 20 year olds to get a potentially irreversible and expensive elective surgery and pay tens of thousands of dollars for results that can be done non-surgically for about $1 per condom, especially when the benefits being touted are 'risk-free' casual sex yet you should be wearing a condom anyway to prevent STDs.
If you want to get a vasectomy at 50 that's reasonable, at 20 that's just unnecessary. There's no way you're having so much sex that you and your partner can't use a condom or pills.
Yea, but abortions are okay though right? If Abortion wasn't such a big issue, I would say sure. But since Abortion to ALOT of people is disgusting, we need more people without sperm. People just can't help themselves with the sex and creating babies to kill.
@Loislikes Even people that support abortion don't think abortion should be used as a form of birth control. Just wear a condom/ take birth control pills. A vasectomy at 20 is completely unnecessary. We have so many readily available forms of contraceptives.
@@TonyCox1351maybe but not risking pregnancy. having sex in a bathroom or in a car is way different than risking getting knocked up. especially cause the options if you do get knocked up can fuck with your body too much (never met a woman that likes plan b/abortion pill)
These "conversations" remind me so much of Clubhouse and other apps that came before it. It is weird to watch internet personalities get off the forums and argue face to face. Super entertaining and addicting. Even a bit nostalgic
I don’t understand why he’s saying you’re more likely to get a STD from casual sex than you are to have complications from a vasectomy. Maybe it’s true but I don’t understand the relevance of the statement considering a vasectomy doesn’t prevent STDs in any way
The relevance is that the likelihood of complications is very low and relatively mild but Steven is making it out to be a bigger deal than it is. Mild discomfort for a few days-couple weeks is worth not worrying about unwanted children, especially in a time where many states are outright banning abortion and slowly working to take away birth control as well.
Who would've thought Vegan Gains had had a vasectomy? Now he has two things to tell everyone about that they didn't ask for. My favourite part of this whole thing is Destiny leaving mid convo, coming back and Vegan Gains was still talking at him 😂
@@razzle_dazzle that doesn’t mean that chat couldn’t gaslight him into believing it. Also loner box asked two small questions and even then you could tell he didn’t want to ask😂
@@razzle_dazzle nothing wrong with the concepts in and of themselves, Its how they make prescriptions that makes it overly unthoughtful. Theres a difference between being pro gun and Pro 2A. if hes Pro 2A and only wants to remove guns from the violent criminals, Then Im fine with this stance since people forfeit their own rights once they decide to be violent criminals. For Veganism, I'm ok with that position as a progress to work to, But I'm not gonna call people who eat animals Bad right now. And for Atheism, I support Atheists being agnostic toward God and making scientific arguments for theory, But not for them being Anti Theistic making attacks toward peaceful world relgions. Or them taking a position that Everyone would be better off without Religions.
It's still worth considering if you want the benefits of it. I think the worst mistake possible would be taking this trashfire of a debate as an indication of any pegs being put on the decisions you should make in life.
I love how his argument is all about having control when you could potentially have all your potential posterity invested in a sperm facility and hopefully there are no power outages or issues over the course of 10-15 years (as well as paying 400 dollars a year). Also, when you decide to have kids, you selfishly put your partner in a position where have to be artificially inseminated by random doctors if they want to have kids with you. If you want to have a vasectomy go ahead but you dont need to justify your position to the world like Vegan Gains on some next level cope.
Apparently since you still make sperm you can get it out with a needle if necessary even if you lose your stored sample. Doesn't sound like a ton of fun, but it's an option if you decide to have a kid later. Had a vasectomy recently, but even with all that said I wouldn't get one if you were considering kids. My Dr. basically said if you want to store a sample you probably shouldn't have the procedure since you're too unsure.
Yeah no thanks vegan gains I'll rely on myself rather than a sperm bank praying nothing happens with my sample. Also my ______ is not an area I want going under the knife thank you very much
@@lovelylonerboy7156 Bud it's another surgery & it does not have a 100% success rate. How do you not get that? Even if the chances are high that it can be reversed is that something one should really gamble on? Idk about you but knowing my luck I'd end up being in that 5% that the reversal surgery didn't work on. No thanks. Having my gfs on birth control has always worked for me & not only that the birth control would make them go up a full cup size! What sounds better? That or d*** surgery & feeling like you've been kicked in the groin for days? do the math on that one lol But you should not be just getting surgeries willy nilly going back & forth anyways. You should only get one if you're sure you never want kids. If you think you might want kids one day it's absolutely NOT recommended to get one
@@frankmarano1118the reason i want the vasectomy is beacause my girl was on birth control, and it has efects on the body while the vasectomy really doesnt affect you that much. But fine if you are a litle girl, ans prefer your girls to suffer because you are too scared of an opartion at that point just say you sre lesbians.
Im a 5th year vet student..thank you coz now i know what id do for my undergrad thesis. Gender dysphoria on pigs. Cant wait to drown those gilts with puberty blockers. Wonder if pigs with gender dysphoria would make good burgers as well
It's so refreshing to see intelligent debate instead of brain dead echo boxes. This is discourse that our society needs. Thank you, Loner Box, for what you do for this space.
The ONLY reason you have sex is babies. What she describes is totally natural and why sex always dries up in marriages when they can longer have kids. It’s not fun anymore and they have to use kinks.
She seems actually twisted. I keep hearing shit about her homelife being fucked up so idk if it's good enabling her projections/conclusions about life based on her fucked up experiences so far.
So women on birth control don’t enjoy sex as much because a child can’t be conceived as a result… damn Vegan Gains looking reasonable is usually hard to do.
Qorantos is for sure the funniest guy to show up on stream in a while. There's alot of dumbfucks who have horrible conversations/arguments but at least he's screaming insults the whole time
@@Census__ I think Quiznos is funnier but 90% of the time he comes in to ruin a good conversation so most of the time I just hate him. Zherka is less funny but his timing is usually better(Although sometimes he gets thirsty for clout and gets annoying too)
Its crazy how Qorantos came across the most sane in his arguments, vegan gains arguing that vasectomys are good and should be done over condoms and the chick arguing that sex is fun with the risk of having kids, wtf is this stream
It’s crazy how VG manages to position himself as a qualified expert of literally every topic imaginable despite being so full of shit on nearly all of them.
@@amazingpad4674yes. VG’s strategy is always the same: Make a retardedly argumentative statement about the evidence of a topic, that he has ALWAYS misremembered.
Damn never seen Vegan Gains leave the call first. Usually he's the one making people leave and then rejoicing on his stream how he DEMOLISHED someone. Also, crazy how he called that a discussion when Destiny literally walked away in the middle of it.
Destiny is just chaotic capitalist, the 'chaotic neutral' shit happening is all the deranged people coming on the stream and giving him content while he sits back and laughs.
Growing up I was always under the impression that most people getting vasectomies were married and getting them after having their last child, or someone who plans to never have a child. I could be wrong that was just my impression.
He says the psychological pain of accidentally getting a girl pregnant is worse than getting your balls snipped and losing your ability to have kids. Hell nah dude
Destiny has created his own amusement park. You can see the joy in his eyes.
Destiny is one messed up individual. Hahahaha
Destiny videos really pick up once destiny stops talking.
😂
@@younggod5230 damn thats real loll
care for a special needs children more like
"Sex is only fun because you're gambling on a life" is not a take I thought anyone would ever have. Props for making Vegan Gains look reasonable by comparison though...
There is some truth to it.
@@angelmartin7310 yeah maybe for yall ladies who can get benefits from a divorce
@@angelmartin7310 maybe to you
There’s some breeding kinks out here. A lot of them
@@callmeacutekitten8106 a divorce? What does divorce have to do with it?
This is the first time the woman with an obvious breeding kink has even heard of a breeding kink, outstanding.
She just went around thinking she's normal
@@lordlittletoeq8537 she did the thing where everyone thinks other people are them, just in different bodies.
“TIL I have a breeding kink”
@@lordlittletoeq8537 a "breeding kink" _is_ normal. is that not the biological purpose of sex, and why it feels pleasurable to humans?
@sauved0 you feel attacked? But no, most people don't need the risk of possibly breeding to enjoy z3x with someone. The "purpose " and the pleasure are not one and the same. Unless you have a breeding kink.
“Every man should get a vasectomy.”
God that’s definitely gonna be the dumbest shit anyone has said today.
“Sex is only fun with the risk of getting pregnant…… Everyone believes in god, if you say you don’t you’re a liar.”
I stand corrected.
😂
The clinics frown upon men under 30 getting a vasectomy because there is a higher probability that they change their minds.
Everyone else makes vegan gains looks like a scholar
The first statement isn’t dumb at all unless you’re talking about health risk
@@KurokamiNajimi it might aswell be the top of the mountain of stupidity until you hear statement 2
lonerbox just saying, "Oh no" as grace starts talking was hilarious.
Vegan Gains and Qorantos: the gift that just keeps on giving
Fr!
At least qorantos can be funny lol
@@AntonioRodriguez-yp2rw And vegan gains can give a coherent argument
@@AntonioRodriguez-yp2rw loud = funny 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
can we return these gifts? anyone save the receipt?
Vegan Gains is the optimal orbiter. He's like the anti-Dan (who is also the optimal orbiter).
We don't see him much, but when we do, it's just top tier bloodsports combat. The guy is completely unable to hold a conversation with a civil tone, and I love it
And he’s incapable of being logically consistent with his mush brain 😂
vegan gains unironically feels like a bad person. qorantos, even maybe someone like zherka, even though unhinged, seems like a person that has empathy but is putting up an act all the time. vegain gains unironically just comes off as someone that has zero empathy and knows that it comes off that way but doesnt care. id rather be friends with literally any other orbiter.
Agree 100%
Is it only me or does he always sound like he is about to cry?
@@Kingcashyt when you eat nothing but estrogen your bound to have the mental rational of a women
Imagine paying 30 dollars a month just to not have kids when you're not even getting laid
Either way, somebody is getting fooked
😮.... 😂
Homie,if you're ain't getting action then vasectomy ain't for you lmao
Lol lots of dudes have kids and they aren’t getting laid 😂. The stats don’t favor men in the sex department once she’s got a kid.
@@Tagerrunagree it seems the dgg comunity doesnt get lade at all and surrendered to that idea like if it where their destiny.
Grace is becoming a top contender in the mental illness Olympics!
Vegan gains is the type of person to debate himself when destiny leaves💀💀💀
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀My favourite part was Destiny asking if Vegan Gains had had been talking the whole time he was gone
Was he not arguing with the other guy though?
It‘s free attention from audience, with noone there to pull the plug, why wouldn’t he talk.
@@endofen9107 cuz no one gives a fuck what he’s talking about💀
@@id1550 He wasn't really arguing or debating. He was just rambling on, hoping someone was listening to his ass. LMAO
Qortanos and Vegan Gains 10 hour islam debate. Please
Qoranthos making fun of Vegangains for being vegan is ironic lol
"You haven't made an argument, you're a virgin"
-Vegan Gains 2023
This was actually the rare occasion in which accusing your opponent of being a virgin was relevant to the debate.
@@Vasilia4 If virgins wouldn’t have a right to voice their opinions - the world would be a better place.
@@3rdHalf1 No no if people wouldn’t have sex the world would be a far better place
@@Vasilia4nah W qurantos
Vegan gains was right at least with one thing. the guy ruined the discussion
“You worship lettuce” was funnier than it needed to be 😭
And he worships dead decomposing rotten animals
Grace is insane. I wouldn't even consider dating someone who thinks that way even if I did get a snip. I've never been with someone and thought "oh man I might ruin my life right now, that's hot let's roll the dice." She instantly wins the debate for vegan gains by just existing.
how is bringing life into the world ruining your own? if that's what you think, perhaps refrain from reproducing
Mmm no having a girl like that is hot
she's just twisting his tits lol
"You feel like you got kicked in the nuts really hard for about a week"
"the recovery isn't that bad"
Bro they can't both be true 😅
True statements if they give you good drugs for those first couple days
@@eeyun5279And then you might become addicted to pain killers by accident, right? Sounds fucking awesome... brainlet
@Eeyun what about the ret of the week where you feel like you got kicked in the nuts real hard is that not bad
It's extremely unlikely to feel that bad.
Yep, and it'll feel tender for a month. No big deal.
Wait wut
"It's only like $10-$30 a month to freeze your sperm if you want kids later. it's relatively cheap" How did no one push back on the cost of fertilizing an egg with frozen sperm? That's an expensive elective medical procedure that insurance doesn't cover.
Breeding kink? You think the desire to procreate is a kink??
@@angelmartin7310 She 100% deserved to be mocked lmao. She made claims about women's preferences in general with nothing to back it up. She set the tone of the argument and they only returned the favour.
@waleedabbas4996 I didn't hear mockery, I heard stupidity and strawmanning. If you believe women find the idea of neutered males attractive more often than not, I don't know what to tell you. But comparing a man who 100% cannot have children to someone being *possibly* 10% less fertile than they could be, due to poor diet/smoking/etc is stupid. Plenty of men aren't as fertile as they could be, that doesn't equate to them being neutered and sterile. Most people don't find sterility attractive. That should be obvious.
@@angelmartin7310 If it's obvious, feel free to share the conclusive evidence on this topic then. Lady, actually do the bare minimum and use your brain for once. 😂
Secondly, the breeding bit was definitely mockery. Even lonerbox was getting the same digs in.
@waleedabbas4996 Because most people want to have children??? So I guess get a vasectomy if you want a single mom ? The RP angle on this is bizarre
This debate shall be known as The Battle of the Brainlets.
Dudes smarter than you though, thats the funny thing
Is that like “ the battle of the bastards”?
@@lukeempty3386 lol 😊
You mean the battle of the "brainless?"
The battle for the brain cell
That opening edit showing Vegan Gains just talking to an empty chair is just... everything I've ever wanted. Ty.
I will forever appreciate Vegan gains for being the residential punching bag in these calls.
Vegan Gains is such a good addition to the stream. Someone who can come in, get yelled at, and just keep kicking. He's a true warrior.
Warriors or extremely autistic?
He is peak aut.. it's beautiful
Not really, he's a Walmart MrGirl. And I hated MrGirl being on stream from the second I discovered who he was
@@SpitFireDebates def smarter than mr girl though
This is all he has in his life.
His reluctance to say a vasectomy is mutilation is funny coming from the dude who thinks eating meat is murder.
actually real
Truuuueeee
People can consent to having a surgery done, pain and discomfort that might come with it. Animals aren’t really consenting to die, their behaviour instead expresses a will to live.
Not sure why it’s contradictory to you for someone to be ok with surgeries on themselves and also not eating meat.
Seems weirdly combative to call a surgery like that mutilation, would you say to a woman who has had surgery to remove her sex organs for whatever reasons mutilated?
You're literally funding and paying for an industry that systematically slaughters billions of animals every year. Eating meat IS murder whether you like it or not.
@@bamwesty8158 Mutilate:
1. to cut up or alter radically so as to make imperfect
2. to cut off or permanently destroy a limb or essential part of : cripple
It is mutilation.
I love how the very first point of contention he comes in with is already just a lie, this dude wastes no time to force a fight with destiny lmao
average vegan debater, just wants attention to spout some propaganda
@@fyfaenihelvete What does that have to do with veganism? You probably don't see the irony of your point.
@@r.m8146 ok cuck boy
@@r.m8146 found the vegan
@@r.m8146 based. Legan Lains is just a lunatic, nothing to do with veganism
The best contraception of all is Vegan Gains’s personality.
She literally argued that sex isn't fun if you don't share her fetish. That's it. That's all that was.
Well said
You know what’s a turn off…a woman who wants to entrap you with a kid. “The whole fun is the risk,” 🙄😒. Crazy.
I generally don’t like vegan gains. But this chick was out to lunch.
@Budda Brotha responsible adults weigh the pros and cons before making important choices. The risk that comes with sex isn’t worth having sex just because it’s risky and you’ll get a kick out of it.
This immature, depraved mindset explains…
The ridiculously high STI rates
Broken families
Child abuse rates
Etc.
our society is worse off because of this.
@Budda Brotha probably not. I doubt it
@Budda Brotha Maybe it is common with women; doesn't mean it's acceptable.
@Budda Brotha that ain't common you're just projecting super hard
@@InsertSomethingStupid2002 how’s he projecting?
Another day another vegan gains debate. Thank you so much for this god content. 🙏
Bruhh it has been over a decade now and Vegan Gains is just stuck in time and has not grown as a person at all since like 2012. He comes in all hot and heavy about Destiny spreading misinformation but when it turns out he just confused a "30% reversal fail rate" for a "30% regret rate" like a muppet he doesnt stop even for a second to acknowledge his mistake and he just keeps blindly rolling further as if he is totally nailing it
Anyone else remember the Drunken Peasants days when they would watch his videos and then he would come on and do the exact same stuff he does now? Ah, to be a teenager again.
He came off pretty calm and rational in this "debate"
Double down? Triple down? Quadruple down? Never back down.
@@Vasilia4 you can be calm and keep your cool while still saying complete bullshit the whole time
Yep it's depressing as fuck
What an absolute gold mine of content! It's like Destiny is a magnet for batshit crazy yet wildly entertaining people. What a glorious thing to wake up to!
Vegan Gains is one of those guys who is just frustrating to have serious conversation with but is fun to troll.
VG: “I have a vasectomy”
Everyone: “Thank god!”
For real. I don't want this bloodline to propogate.
I made the mistake to look up Grace’s content today. Her dad needs serious supervision, and she probably needs help. Top level grooming - disturbing af.
W H OMEGALUL?
Wrong video lol
What’s her channel name ?
Grace seems smart enough to understand consequences of actions and where she can go to learn more about topics.
I'd say she's far above other people who are aimless and only follow the crowds.
Vegan Gains is a legit scary person.
Thank god he’s neutered and can’t reproduce
It’s been crazy seeing him here after being most aware of him several years ago when he was straight up unhinged
@@shaqitup >was
_"MAYBE IF I JUST PULL OUT MY FUCKING GUN..."_ - Vegan Gains, probably
Why is he scary
Vegan Gains hairline catching the wildest shots 🤣
The woman arguing that "the fun of sex" is the risk that you may get pregnant is a lunatic. If I knew I could *not* get pregnant, I would be having so much more fun than having to worry if I'm actively in the process of negatively changing my life forever (as someone who *never* wants kids).
Send them "neutered males" my way, please and thank you
☝ this
Feel the same way. Not having anxiety during sex is life-changing
@@Reese842 I have a great news for you, condoms exist you can use them and check them after. I know it is mindbending but you can use them.
You know you're crazy when you make Vegan Gains the ultra reasonable one
He made destiny look crazy their very first debate tho holy fuck
@@brandonsobremisana6681 Its pretty obvious that the only subject that VG has seriously thought about is veganism.
However his shit personality and superiority complex makes any effectiveness moot.
@@brandonsobremisana6681what was that debate about
@@brandonsobremisana6681 What was that debate aboutt? Veganism?
lmaooo i thought she was trolling, but she is serious... I've lost brain cells listening to this.
There are A LOT of women who feel this way so she's not even wrong.
I think she just doesnt have real argument here,because its mostly feelings,but that is true that women find man after vasectomy "less of a man". Her argument are stupid,it has nothing to do with risk,but its true.
She’s not wrong. She’s pretty inflammatory but she right in principle
Only idiot women think this way. As a woman who's had to juggle hormonal contraceptives repercussions, I find it sexy as hell that a man would take some accountability for his sperms
I think most women would actually agree. Not too many women are gonna be happy u got a vasectomy. Especially if they want to have kids. A LOT of women want to have kids. Moreso as they get older.
There's one thing you can definitely say about Richard: He's not a bullshitter, he's not a grifter. Dude is fully invested in his beliefs, whether you agree with them or not. That's the thing I like about him.
He's been doing it for a while too, I remember way back in 2014 my flatmate was obsessed with him
I guess you can like how dishonestly he is about his "honesty" lol
Vegan Gains doesn't get much views yet still stays himself. Gotta respect him for being real af.
@@mikasasukasa4479 Im not saying hes right, im saying he doesnt obfuscate or lie about his beliefs, and he lives by them. That cant be said for all youtubers.
@@curtisyue182 Living according to your beliefs is useless when your beliefs are based on factually incorrect information lmao. This guy casually spouts of misinformation and came into the call trying to correct Destiny on his "misinformation". Watching a smart person debate a brainless moron is mentally debilitating.
Qurantos is Destiny's pit bull 🤣. Love it!
He is slowly becoming my new favorite Orbiter
Chuwawa
@@Tagerrun chuwawa 😭😭im dead
@@Tagerrun what the fuck is a chuwawa
@@happycrimson it’s because Q cries so much but still keeps barking xD
This was one of the most painful discussions I've listened to in a while
Lmao Just the idea of a guy recommending his entire audience get a vasectomy is hilarious😂😂😂
Don't eat meat. Get a vasectomy.
tbf, if you're one of his fans...
Birth control is built into their personality, so for them getting a vasectomy is like a humble brag.
If vasectomies were being advocated for like 35+yr old men then I wouldn't have a problem but i'm not keen about telling 20 year olds to get a potentially irreversible and expensive elective surgery and pay tens of thousands of dollars for results that can be done non-surgically for about $1 per condom, especially when the benefits being touted are 'risk-free' casual sex yet you should be wearing a condom anyway to prevent STDs.
Who don’t want any more children. I wouldn’t advocate men to not have children at an age where they’re more likely to be financially secure
If you want to get a vasectomy at 50 that's reasonable, at 20 that's just unnecessary.
There's no way you're having so much sex that you and your partner can't use a condom or pills.
@shaqitup It is also the age where an increased risk of birth defects begins to be an issue.
Yea, but abortions are okay though right? If Abortion wasn't such a big issue, I would say sure. But since Abortion to ALOT of people is disgusting, we need more people without sperm. People just can't help themselves with the sex and creating babies to kill.
@Loislikes Even people that support abortion don't think abortion should be used as a form of birth control. Just wear a condom/ take birth control pills. A vasectomy at 20 is completely unnecessary. We have so many readily available forms of contraceptives.
I was on Destiny's side until Grace showed up
Damn. Incest fetish got the best of you?
same here, which is why i only have sex in public places. if there isnt a risk of getting caught/getting pregnant/getting a std why have sex?
@@Hardly_Party she had some nuggets of truth in there, since sex with risk of getting caught is definitely hotter
@@TonyCox1351maybe but not risking pregnancy. having sex in a bathroom or in a car is way different than risking getting knocked up. especially cause the options if you do get knocked up can fuck with your body too much (never met a woman that likes plan b/abortion pill)
@@TonyCox1351 you have a breeding kink.
The one time im happy to see Q, 21:23 😂
You will learn. This is why we love him in every Convo. It's just obvi in this one bc vegan gains
These "conversations" remind me so much of Clubhouse and other apps that came before it. It is weird to watch internet personalities get off the forums and argue face to face. Super entertaining and addicting. Even a bit nostalgic
A virgin talking about Sex + Believes in God?? Lmfaooo this is Gold
This was a complete debacle. I laughed out loud throughout 😂😂
That is CONTENT.
I don’t understand why he’s saying you’re more likely to get a STD from casual sex than you are to have complications from a vasectomy. Maybe it’s true but I don’t understand the relevance of the statement considering a vasectomy doesn’t prevent STDs in any way
The lady wanted risky sex.
The relevance is that the likelihood of complications is very low and relatively mild but Steven is making it out to be a bigger deal than it is. Mild discomfort for a few days-couple weeks is worth not worrying about unwanted children, especially in a time where many states are outright banning abortion and slowly working to take away birth control as well.
@@xcricket6631and yet it’s still not worth it and there’s no point in promoting it, the ROI just isn’t there
this video just kept getting funnier and funnier as it went along. Just a bunch of completely unhinged people piling on each other.
Who would've thought Vegan Gains had had a vasectomy? Now he has two things to tell everyone about that they didn't ask for. My favourite part of this whole thing is Destiny leaving mid convo, coming back and Vegan Gains was still talking at him 😂
He wasn't, he was talking to LonerBox.
@@razzle_dazzle that doesn’t mean that chat couldn’t gaslight him into believing it. Also loner box asked two small questions and even then you could tell he didn’t want to ask😂
3 things, he's also Atheist. Maybe 4 if he's anti gun rights, the dude is such a walking waste of anything that has to do with Wisdom.
@@AKABattousai What's wrong with atheism and veganism? (And btw he's pro-gun.)
@@razzle_dazzle nothing wrong with the concepts in and of themselves, Its how they make prescriptions that makes it overly unthoughtful.
Theres a difference between being pro gun and Pro 2A. if hes Pro 2A and only wants to remove guns from the violent criminals, Then Im fine with this stance since people forfeit their own rights once they decide to be violent criminals.
For Veganism, I'm ok with that position as a progress to work to, But I'm not gonna call people who eat animals Bad right now. And for Atheism, I support Atheists being agnostic toward God and making scientific arguments for theory, But not for them being Anti Theistic making attacks toward peaceful world relgions. Or them taking a position that Everyone would be better off without Religions.
“Sex is only fun with the risk of getting pregnant…"
Childfree women: "Allow me to introduce myself."
We need more testicle-free men. Got way too many abortions.
Anyone else relieved to hear that VG got a vasectomy 😂
Anyone with a brain should be
As someone who was considering a vasectomy, I'll officially stick to the pull out method now lmao.
One of those rare debates that leaves both sides less sure about their arguement 😂
Just wrap it up ffs
@@MrCharly780 body count +200 pull out only mode k/d +200/0 any percent run. Fuck condoms haha
@@MrCharly780 fr fr no cap on god
It's still worth considering if you want the benefits of it. I think the worst mistake possible would be taking this trashfire of a debate as an indication of any pegs being put on the decisions you should make in life.
I love how his argument is all about having control when you could potentially have all your potential posterity invested in a sperm facility and hopefully there are no power outages or issues over the course of 10-15 years (as well as paying 400 dollars a year). Also, when you decide to have kids, you selfishly put your partner in a position where have to be artificially inseminated by random doctors if they want to have kids with you. If you want to have a vasectomy go ahead but you dont need to justify your position to the world like Vegan Gains on some next level cope.
Apparently since you still make sperm you can get it out with a needle if necessary even if you lose your stored sample. Doesn't sound like a ton of fun, but it's an option if you decide to have a kid later. Had a vasectomy recently, but even with all that said I wouldn't get one if you were considering kids. My Dr. basically said if you want to store a sample you probably shouldn't have the procedure since you're too unsure.
Yeah no thanks vegan gains I'll rely on myself rather than a sperm bank praying nothing happens with my sample. Also my ______ is not an area I want going under the knife thank you very much
You could just reverse the vasectomy
@@lovelylonerboy7156 Bud it's another surgery & it does not have a 100% success rate. How do you not get that? Even if the chances are high that it can be reversed is that something one should really gamble on? Idk about you but knowing my luck I'd end up being in that 5% that the reversal surgery didn't work on. No thanks. Having my gfs on birth control has always worked for me & not only that the birth control would make them go up a full cup size! What sounds better? That or d*** surgery & feeling like you've been kicked in the groin for days? do the math on that one lol
But you should not be just getting surgeries willy nilly going back & forth anyways. You should only get one if you're sure you never want kids. If you think you might want kids one day it's absolutely NOT recommended to get one
@@frankmarano1118the reason i want the vasectomy is beacause my girl was on birth control, and it has efects on the body while the vasectomy really doesnt affect you that much. But fine if you are a litle girl, ans prefer your girls to suffer because you are too scared of an opartion at that point just say you sre lesbians.
Advising a vasectomy for people planning to reverse it is pretty stupid.
The amount of brain cells I lost here is concerning
Nice to see this instead of Lav.. and I hate myself for mentioning her 😖
Omg when Qorantos joins.. someone needs to set these people up in a free-for-all. Their mutual enmity sustains me.
These are the shitshows I keep coming back for
"It's not painful"
"It feels like you got kicked in the nuts for a couple of days,"
Lmfao I never liked Vegan Gains back in the day, BUT, I ducking LOVE him as a Destiny orbiter. This is peak content.
This is a better cross over than Marvels avengers. We just need Zherka.
Let’s throw Louis Rossmann in there too!
He's been through the procedure, I'm glad
Desperately want to ask Vegan Gains if Pigs can be trans
Yes.
lmfao
Im a 5th year vet student..thank you coz now i know what id do for my undergrad thesis. Gender dysphoria on pigs.
Cant wait to drown those gilts with puberty blockers.
Wonder if pigs with gender dysphoria would make good burgers as well
😂?
@@raz0rcarich99 it's part of his "name the trait" shit
Absolutely dangerously based conversation.
It's so refreshing to see intelligent debate instead of brain dead echo boxes. This is discourse that our society needs. Thank you, Loner Box, for what you do for this space.
1: technically, I agree with vg. Much as it pains me
2: who would haveguessed Q would be his kryptonite
Apparently getting mad online and coping are side effects of the snip-snip 🍦
That girl is twisted saying the whole fun of having sex is the risk of having a baby, wtf tell me that’s not a normal thought for women
I hope not
The ONLY reason you have sex is babies. What she describes is totally natural and why sex always dries up in marriages when they can longer have kids. It’s not fun anymore and they have to use kinks.
@@Nedak2003 no, it’s not. It’s just Grace projecting
She seems actually twisted. I keep hearing shit about her homelife being fucked up so idk if it's good enabling her projections/conclusions about life based on her fucked up experiences so far.
So women on birth control don’t enjoy sex as much because a child can’t be conceived as a result… damn Vegan Gains looking reasonable is usually hard to do.
Grace: "People only enjoy food for the thrill that it might be their last meal before choking and dying."
Destiny finally won a debate !!!😊
Qorantos is for sure the funniest guy to show up on stream in a while. There's alot of dumbfucks who have horrible conversations/arguments but at least he's screaming insults the whole time
He's just less funny zherka imo
@@Census__less funny but much more insane, swings and roundabouts
@@Census__ I think Quiznos is funnier but 90% of the time he comes in to ruin a good conversation so most of the time I just hate him. Zherka is less funny but his timing is usually better(Although sometimes he gets thirsty for clout and gets annoying too)
He is a total gem!
@@Census__ Nah, he's funner. Zherka has like 5 lines he says, one being "masonic literature". At least Qorantos doesn't sound like an NPC
I love lonerboxes "oh no" right as Grace drops in.
oh my god this is simultaneously so hard to listen to but also content gold
Its crazy how Qorantos came across the most sane in his arguments, vegan gains arguing that vasectomys are good and should be done over condoms and the chick arguing that sex is fun with the risk of having kids, wtf is this stream
I really appreciate destiny summarizing vegan gains’ position in an accurate and fair way at 25:31
“Kicking my ass won’t grow your hairline” Dude can be annoying but that was the funniest thing I’ve heard all day, keep him in orbit 💯
Gonna use that line
It’s crazy how VG manages to position himself as a qualified expert of literally every topic imaginable despite being so full of shit on nearly all of them.
He's right more than half the time
@@amazingpad4674 delusional
Npc has entered the chat
@@EE-xx5xd do you seriously think agreeing with vegan gains more than half the time is an npc trait
@@amazingpad4674yes. VG’s strategy is always the same:
Make a retardedly argumentative statement about the evidence of a topic, that he has ALWAYS misremembered.
@@ericsonofjohn9384 that has literally nothing to do with my question but whatever
after all these years, finally some good content.
"you're worshipping lettuce" nice!!
Loner Box was so based here 🗿
ALSO, that cliff hanger at the end, holy shit 😂
destiny has this subtle superpower that makes him some kind of attracting beacon for completely insane people
that thumbnail for the Sneako video was perfect, shoutout to whoever made that
“Kicking my ass won’t grow you a hairline” is hilarious
Vegan Gains may be a vegan, but he had to swallow Pisco’s sausage in this conversation.
Who's pisco?
@@crystyxnboring orbiter w annoying voice
basic psychology: he fucked up and now wants others to suffer the mistake he did. ''Misery loves company'' type shit
Damn never seen Vegan Gains leave the call first. Usually he's the one making people leave and then rejoicing on his stream how he DEMOLISHED someone. Also, crazy how he called that a discussion when Destiny literally walked away in the middle of it.
THE CONTENT WE NEEDED 😂😂
This was just a case of escalating craziness and I'm here for it
damn i thought the woman who came in was an incredible troll, then i realised it was grace
😂😂😂
This is what it sounds like when a reddit mod and discord mod debate
Destiny out here being a true chaotic neutral 😂😂
Destiny is just chaotic capitalist, the 'chaotic neutral' shit happening is all the deranged people coming on the stream and giving him content while he sits back and laughs.
>Vegan
>Grace
>Qorantos
the absolute state of destiny fans
Dude, I'm very grateful for Qorantos, because now Vegan Gains can also clown on someone.
Knowing vegan gains isn’t reproducing made my day better
Said the same thing myself.
destiny laughing in the background is funny asf
Growing up I was always under the impression that most people getting vasectomies were married and getting them after having their last child, or someone who plans to never have a child. I could be wrong that was just my impression.
Lmaoooooo when homie said “you can’t crush a watermelon” I died
TBH, Heated arguments is all I'm here for!
He says the psychological pain of accidentally getting a girl pregnant is worse than getting your balls snipped and losing your ability to have kids. Hell nah dude