Thank you for addressing the alpha roll situation. I first witnessed one during a dog class where the “trainer” had a young german shepherd rescue dog she was helping to rehabilitate. He got a bit snarly with another dog and to my horror she grabbed it and threw it to the floor and pinned it there until he submitted. It was so traumatic I did not go back. This was about 10 years ago. It is sad that it became so well known. I could not see any benefit to the dog in doing this. I am so glad you agree.
I always agree with your advice but I would like to add that lack of adequate exercise is a major reason for behavior problems in dogs. Many people get a dog and then the dog is crated and only taken for 2 to 3 (hopefully) walks a day. These people have busy lives and just underestimate the time commitment needed for a dog. This is especially a problem when people don't research the energy level of a breed they are interested in. No matter how much you love your dog a breed like a border collie or Siberian husky for example is usually not a good idea for someone living in an apartment or who works very long hours. It can be done but most people just don't have the time.
i have a aussie pup..almost 4 months, i have had her 2 months... ...she loves exercise....we have gobs of fun outside , when she is tired out, she comes in, goes to her crate and naps...keep them tired and they mellow out ...and they can focus better... thanks for the inside leash info...
Thank you for the content on these videos (and the rest of the channel). This video especially has cleared up a major confusion I've had with the things that 'that person' promotes -since getting a puppy a while ago the things I thought were right just did not feel right. I've found all the solutions here, applying them with my pup when needed turns things around for the better almost literally overnight. I know I will keep on building a relationship with my pup so I know that, along with the insight available here, I can get the strength of relationship I want. I learn alot from the videos you do in this format, it makes your training concepts exceptional clear. I am very grateful for the work you put into these videos so as to share your training principles. It is continuing to be very beneficial to me and the pup.
I also have ShihTzus and GSDS. I thought I was the only one with this combo! My little Gadget is just the cutest and surprisingly athletic and smart little Shitty ever!❤
It’s sounds like MOST of this dog’s life is alone in a crate! What kind of life (or love) is that? Play needs to happen indoors as well. My dog plays fine in the house (after being trained not to hurt furnishings, etc ). She knows to go to the door if she needs to go potty, etc. She plays with her toys & the occasional sock. That’s it. She always gives hugs & smiles. Why? We PLAY WITH HER! Why else have a dog? 😊
Sir, I agree with you about alpha rolling. I've done it with my own dogs at times, during which yes, they will bite you in the face if you're not prepared for it. That being said, I do everything with my dogs with the mentality that I am going to win this fight. I'm in with full knowledge that this animal can kill me, or my wife or kid. I also refuse to let it think it's going to hurt people with no consequences. Alpha rolling a 3 month old puggle sounds absolutely silly... My dogs are shepherds, labs, rotties, pitbull... They don't get to run this house, I do. There is a zero tolerance policy for bringing hurt to the humans within. The alpha roll is a last resort. I will absolutely put my pit on its side for charging a toddler, unacceptable. That all being said. I'm very open to criticisms, new information, and learning.. So if what I just explained sounds outrageous, please interact with me.
I learned of this through Cesar Milan. He uses it to show the dog that he is dominant without hurting the dog. I have never tried it. My dogs assume I am dominant because I control the food bowl!
sounds like they shouldn’t have taken on the responsibility of a dog so early, they seemed unprepared and that poor dog has to spend the majority of its time in a crate??? just sad
@Leerburg I agree with you. It's a very risky thing to do. When I first started working with dogs in AZ the staff introduced the alpha roll to me. I did it a few times and quickly learned how dangerous it is. If you flip the wrong dog, you will get bit and when you are in a pack of dogs and you flip one the others come running in and want a piece of it quickly starting a dog fight. It was so stupid. I stopped doing that.
@@LeerburgDogTraining I'm conflicted about Cesar. Like many, I used to watch him and was super inspired by him. I'd be curious to know how an actual subject matter expert such as yourself feels about my general assessment of him: Basically, I feel like he is very good at reading dog body language, and certainly has a way with dogs. Some of his methods are antiquated, and could benefit from incorporating more positive reinforcement as opposed to corrections. Maybe his methods have a place with red zone cases, and as a last resort type thing, but it's dangerous to have his methods aired on TV and emulated by an audience who can do a lot of damage without expert timing. The editing also makes it look like magic, so that's obviously not helping the misleading nature of it all. Do you think there are any good aspects about Cesar? Also, I have a 10 month old frenchie that nips and lunges when he gets excited. What is your way of correcting this behavior? We've tried everything from "uh uh" and avoidance, to leashing him and turning him 180 degrees, to (i'm ashamed to admit) the shoulder tap correction, and alpha roll when he gets really out of control
German rules summarized again: Do not leave the puppy alone at home for the first 3 months from the 5th month you can practice being alone start with about 30 minutes alone and slowly increase if a longer separation is unavoidable, consider a dog sitter By the way: even an adult dog may only be left alone for more than 6 hours in exceptional cases. If the dog is alone for more than 4 hours, this is no longer appropriate to the species. In such cases, we recommend using a dog sitter
I agree. I came home once and my BC/AS puppy had tore up the kitchen linoleum. She had major separation anxiety and still gets mad when left alone but not like she used to. She's actually not very destructive except also when she was a mom and I kept her and her puppies in a separate bedroom to keep it warm for them. She tore right through that door to get out. Every dog has a different personality and most of the "bad" behaviors will definitely be outgrown. Once they get past the puppy phase they will usually mellow out. I would definitely focus more on building a relationship first so even when they know you are mad and might avoid you for that day they will still come back to you because ultimately they trust you.
In this economy where both adults are forced to work, what's supposed to happen with a dog? should I spend whatever is left of my paycheck on a sitter?
@@GSKYYT Your question is a bit strange for me.. . Dogs are social creatures, they need the connection to humans. Is it about species-appropriate attitude? I once had an employer who took his dog to the office. I have a family doctor who takes his young dog to the practice, which is unusual, but is tolerated here. There are dog day care centers here in the cities, there are dog boarding houses for holiday care, for example, and there are dog sitters who walk and feed your dog while you work. If you want a dog from the shelter, you have to fill out a questionnaire and state how long you work. If you work full-time and are absent and have no care options, e.g. family members, neighbors or friends, you will not get the dog. This is often checked in pre- and post-controls. How is it regulated in your country? Surely there are people who leave their dog at home alone for longer, even here. Sometimes there is no other way for a certain time. But, if it takes longer, they often give their dog away because they want to save him from always being alone. and there are also dogs that can be alone for longer without fear of abandonment, but they also have to go for a walk to pee. Kennel keeping without a family connection is forbidden here. But there are many who still do it illegally.
Dog crates and ex-pens are hands down the best way to manage a puppy in the home. The can become a tool to manage house training and they control small kids and dog and they stop puppies from getting into things they should not get into. If you have time to tether a puppy to you with a leash that may be a better solution but who can do that all the time? NO ONE.
In my opinion, it's too much time for a puppy or grown dog to spend forty plus hours a week in a crate. A dog shouldn't live the majority of its life in a crate or on a chain. However, I do think that a proper tie out/chain setup is better than a crate in the house. All too often, the same people who keep their dog in a small crate in some dark corner of their house that claim a dog on a chain is being abused. At least a dog on a proper chain setup has the ability to relieve itself and move away from the mess. A proper chain setup provides shelter, water, fresh air, sunlight, and movement. They can dig, watch birds and squirrels, or play with toys if they are given access to them. Tethering laws are outlawing chain setups in more and more places. Why? Because a crate that is in a garage or kitchen is better. How?
@Leerburg my comment was about how dogs are kept when their owners aren't with them. So during those lengthy periods of time in which a dog lives without their owner, what needs of theirs get met within the confines of a crate but go unmet while restrained by a chain? Opinions might be cheap, but they hold more value than assumptions do.
Well, one argument against keeping a dog outside on a rope or chain is that something could happen to it and the owner isn’t there to take care of the situation. Weather could also be an issue. A crate if used correctly is a safe haven for the dog. I do agree with you that 40hrs a week with no one there in a crate is too much. But remember that dogs need to sleep about 14hrs a day and puppies even more.
@Elle Crescent If a person wakes up a 5am is at work by 6:30am and they get off work at 4:30pm and are home by 5pm. So far, their dog has had 1 hour out of the crate from 5am to 6am. It's now 5 pm, and the dog is let out for 4 and a half hours from 5 pm to 9:30 pm, and is in the crate for 7 and a half hours antel the routine starts over. In 24 hours, the dog was let out of the crate for 5 and a half hours. This is the schedule of someone who works four ten hour days. The most time that the dog is going to get out of the crate during the four day work week is 22 hours. 4 days 96 hours, 22 hours out of the crate, and 74 hours in the crate. Nomatter how you slice it the dog is living the majority of its life in a crate and that's not okay. There isn't much of an improvement in a work week that consists of five 8 hour days. This isn't the proper use of a crate, and this is how the person this video is centered around is using their crate. I'm not against the use of dog crates, I'm against people locking their dogs up like maximum security inmates on a 23 and 1 program or 74 and 22 program. People who leave their dogs in crates are no better than people who leave their dogs on chains, but chains provide better living conditions than crates.
@@logansilva8017 for good reason.. I’m a forensic student and people don’t realize that limited movements for extended periods of time will lead to arthritis and bone and joint issues... (just the way mammals bones react to acid building up from constricted movements) also why it’s important to properly size your dogs crate.
Thank you for addressing the alpha roll situation. I first witnessed one during a dog class where the “trainer” had a young german shepherd rescue dog she was helping to rehabilitate. He got a bit snarly with another dog and to my horror she grabbed it and threw it to the floor and pinned it there until he submitted. It was so traumatic I did not go back. This was about 10 years ago. It is sad that it became so well known. I could not see any benefit to the dog in doing this. I am so glad you agree.
The person was not a dog trainer - she did not deserve that title. There is no benefit to it. I blame Cesar for this mess.
Finally someone with some common sense when it comes to dogs. Thank you for this.
I love the idea of having a puppy on leash in the house until their more mature and potty trained. This is the first i've heard of this.
Wonderful instructional video, thank you Ed for clarifying that puppies should be on leash in the house! I learned something new!
I always agree with your advice but I would like to add that lack of adequate exercise is a major reason for behavior problems in dogs. Many people get a dog and then the dog is crated and only taken for 2 to 3 (hopefully) walks a day. These people have busy lives and just underestimate the time commitment needed for a dog. This is especially a problem when people don't research the energy level of a breed they are interested in. No matter how much you love your dog a breed like a border collie or Siberian husky for example is usually not a good idea for someone living in an apartment or who works very long hours. It can be done but most people just don't have the time.
i have a aussie pup..almost 4 months, i have had her 2 months... ...she loves exercise....we have gobs of fun outside , when she is tired out, she comes in, goes to her crate and naps...keep them tired and they mellow out ...and they can focus better... thanks for the inside leash info...
Thank you for the content on these videos (and the rest of the channel). This video especially has cleared up a major confusion I've had with the things that 'that person' promotes -since getting a puppy a while ago the things I thought were right just did not feel right. I've found all the solutions here, applying them with my pup when needed turns things around for the better almost literally overnight. I know I will keep on building a relationship with my pup so I know that, along with the insight available here, I can get the strength of relationship I want. I learn alot from the videos you do in this format, it makes your training concepts exceptional clear. I am very grateful for the work you put into these videos so as to share your training principles. It is continuing to be very beneficial to me and the pup.
I like your thoughts and advice!
Great info, I really appreciat you and your wife taking the time.
That is a great idea to do put my puppy on the leash until he is potty trained
I also have ShihTzus and GSDS. I thought I was the only one with this combo! My little Gadget is just the cutest and surprisingly athletic and smart little Shitty ever!❤
It’s sounds like MOST of this dog’s life is alone in a crate! What kind of life (or love) is that? Play needs to happen indoors as well. My dog plays fine in the house (after being trained not to hurt furnishings, etc ). She knows to go to the door if she needs to go potty, etc. She plays with her toys & the occasional sock. That’s it. She always gives hugs & smiles. Why? We PLAY WITH HER! Why else have a dog? 😊
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Sir, I agree with you about alpha rolling. I've done it with my own dogs at times, during which yes, they will bite you in the face if you're not prepared for it. That being said, I do everything with my dogs with the mentality that I am going to win this fight. I'm in with full knowledge that this animal can kill me, or my wife or kid. I also refuse to let it think it's going to hurt people with no consequences. Alpha rolling a 3 month old puggle sounds absolutely silly... My dogs are shepherds, labs, rotties, pitbull... They don't get to run this house, I do. There is a zero tolerance policy for bringing hurt to the humans within. The alpha roll is a last resort. I will absolutely put my pit on its side for charging a toddler, unacceptable.
That all being said. I'm very open to criticisms, new information, and learning.. So if what I just explained sounds outrageous, please interact with me.
I never heard of an Alpha Roll.
I learned of this through Cesar Milan. He uses it to show the dog that he is dominant without hurting the dog. I have never tried it. My dogs assume I am dominant because I control the food bowl!
sounds like they shouldn’t have taken on the responsibility of a dog so early, they seemed unprepared and that poor dog has to spend the majority of its time in a crate??? just sad
want to add that crates are super useful and important but don’t make them spend most of their time in one :/
You SHOULD name him though. Cesar Millan has caused so much damage.
Yep - I have to blame his editors more than Cesar.
Big Chuck McBride in Florida does that alpha roll bullshit too.
Never heard of him but if he ALPHA ROLLS dogs I don't want to know him. Alpha rolling belongs in the DUMB and DUMBER category of dog management
@Leerburg I agree with you. It's a very risky thing to do. When I first started working with dogs in AZ the staff introduced the alpha roll to me. I did it a few times and quickly learned how dangerous it is. If you flip the wrong dog, you will get bit and when you are in a pack of dogs and you flip one the others come running in and want a piece of it quickly starting a dog fight. It was so stupid. I stopped doing that.
@@LeerburgDogTraining I'm conflicted about Cesar. Like many, I used to watch him and was super inspired by him. I'd be curious to know how an actual subject matter expert such as yourself feels about my general assessment of him: Basically, I feel like he is very good at reading dog body language, and certainly has a way with dogs. Some of his methods are antiquated, and could benefit from incorporating more positive reinforcement as opposed to corrections. Maybe his methods have a place with red zone cases, and as a last resort type thing, but it's dangerous to have his methods aired on TV and emulated by an audience who can do a lot of damage without expert timing. The editing also makes it look like magic, so that's obviously not helping the misleading nature of it all.
Do you think there are any good aspects about Cesar?
Also, I have a 10 month old frenchie that nips and lunges when he gets excited. What is your way of correcting this behavior? We've tried everything from "uh uh" and avoidance, to leashing him and turning him 180 degrees, to (i'm ashamed to admit) the shoulder tap correction, and alpha roll when he gets really out of control
German rules summarized again:
Do not leave the puppy alone at home for the first 3 months
from the 5th month you can practice being alone
start with about 30 minutes alone and slowly increase
if a longer separation is unavoidable, consider a dog sitter
By the way: even an adult dog may only be left alone for more than 6 hours in exceptional cases. If the dog is alone for more than 4 hours, this is no longer appropriate to the species. In such cases, we recommend using a dog sitter
I agree. I came home once and my BC/AS puppy had tore up the kitchen linoleum. She had major separation anxiety and still gets mad when left alone but not like she used to. She's actually not very destructive except also when she was a mom and I kept her and her puppies in a separate bedroom to keep it warm for them. She tore right through that door to get out.
Every dog has a different personality and most of the "bad" behaviors will definitely be outgrown. Once they get past the puppy phase they will usually mellow out. I would definitely focus more on building a relationship first so even when they know you are mad and might avoid you for that day they will still come back to you because ultimately they trust you.
@@Midala87 Well said!
There are no hard set RULES in dog training. Not sure I agree with the German Rules. This is all dog dependant and human dependant.
In this economy where both adults are forced to work, what's supposed to happen with a dog? should I spend whatever is left of my paycheck on a sitter?
@@GSKYYT Your question is a bit strange for me.. . Dogs are social creatures, they need the connection to humans.
Is it about species-appropriate attitude?
I once had an employer who took his dog to the office. I have a family doctor who takes his young dog to the practice, which is unusual, but is tolerated here. There are dog day care centers here in the cities, there are dog boarding houses for holiday care, for example, and there are dog sitters who walk and feed your dog while you work.
If you want a dog from the shelter, you have to fill out a questionnaire and state how long you work. If you work full-time and are absent and have no care options, e.g. family members, neighbors or friends, you will not get the dog. This is often checked in pre- and post-controls.
How is it regulated in your country?
Surely there are people who leave their dog at home alone for longer, even here. Sometimes there is no other way for a certain time. But, if it takes longer, they often give their dog away because they want to save him from always being alone. and there are also dogs that can be alone for longer without fear of abandonment, but they also have to go for a walk to pee. Kennel keeping without a family connection is forbidden here. But there are many who still do it illegally.
I'm kind of suprise anybody keeps dog in a crate especially puppy ? Why would anybody do that ?
Dog crates and ex-pens are hands down the best way to manage a puppy in the home. The can become a tool to manage house training and they control small kids and dog and they stop puppies from getting into things they should not get into. If you have time to tether a puppy to you with a leash that may be a better solution but who can do that all the time? NO ONE.
In my opinion, it's too much time for a puppy or grown dog to spend forty plus hours a week in a crate.
A dog shouldn't live the majority of its life in a crate or on a chain.
However, I do think that a proper tie out/chain setup is better than a crate in the house.
All too often, the same people who keep their dog in a small crate in some dark corner of their house that claim a dog on a chain is being abused.
At least a dog on a proper chain setup has the ability to relieve itself and move away from the mess. A proper chain setup provides shelter, water, fresh air, sunlight, and movement. They can dig, watch birds and squirrels, or play with toys if they are given access to them.
Tethering laws are outlawing chain setups in more and more places. Why?
Because a crate that is in a garage or kitchen is better. How?
Opinions are cheap and you have a lot to learn about living with diogs and what they need or dont need.
@Leerburg my comment was about how dogs are kept when their owners aren't with them. So during those lengthy periods of time in which a dog lives without their owner, what needs of theirs get met within the confines of a crate but go unmet while restrained by a chain?
Opinions might be cheap, but they hold more value than assumptions do.
Well, one argument against keeping a dog outside on a rope or chain is that something could happen to it and the owner isn’t there to take care of the situation. Weather could also be an issue. A crate if used correctly is a safe haven for the dog. I do agree with you that 40hrs a week with no one there in a crate is too much. But remember that dogs need to sleep about 14hrs a day and puppies even more.
@Elle Crescent
If a person wakes up a 5am is at work by 6:30am and they get off work at 4:30pm and are home by 5pm.
So far, their dog has had 1 hour out of the crate from 5am to 6am.
It's now 5 pm, and the dog is let out for 4 and a half hours from 5 pm to 9:30 pm, and is in the crate for 7 and a half hours antel the routine starts over.
In 24 hours, the dog was let out of the crate for 5 and a half hours.
This is the schedule of someone who works four ten hour days.
The most time that the dog is going to get out of the crate during the four day work week is 22 hours.
4 days 96 hours, 22 hours out of the crate, and 74 hours in the crate.
Nomatter how you slice it the dog is living the majority of its life in a crate and that's not okay.
There isn't much of an improvement in a work week that consists of five 8 hour days.
This isn't the proper use of a crate, and this is how the person this video is centered around is using their crate.
I'm not against the use of dog crates, I'm against people locking their dogs up like maximum security inmates on a 23 and 1 program or 74 and 22 program.
People who leave their dogs in crates are no better than people who leave their dogs on chains, but chains provide better living conditions than crates.
@@logansilva8017 for good reason.. I’m a forensic student and people don’t realize that limited movements for extended periods of time will lead to arthritis and bone and joint issues... (just the way mammals bones react to acid building up from constricted movements) also why it’s important to properly size your dogs crate.