My 2 Pitbulls Killed Our Boxer While We Were Out
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My sister has 3 pitbulls. One of them just ripped the ear off another. My sister is giving birth to her first baby in a week. I’m terrified of getting a bad phone call because she doesn’t want to address the fact that these dogs can’t be trusted.
Very scary situation there
That’s like saying black people cant be trusted. It’s an individual problem. Not a breed problem. Don’t allow the problem to happen. Crate the dogs. Train the dogs. Set boundaries. Be responsible
Tell her to rehome! Come from a place of love and show her the bites from leerburg.
There are plenty of horror stories that can help drive the point home
If she’s not ms dog trainer herself then there is a huge risk of things going sideways
If she can’t put the time in now to help fix these issues how’s it going to be with an infant
I feel for you and your sister but human life is more important than a dogs… well just not my pup😜
That baby aint gonna last a year
You have to muzzle certain dogs if they've already learned to use their teeth to get what they want. This is a no-no in our world and muzzles are designed to take their teeth away which makes everyone much less nervous and gives you the chance to correct your dog without worrying about being bitten. If you have multiple dogs, make sure you are the leader and don't let anyone of them show aggression towards each other, ever. The real issue here is that as a dog trainer, when I bring up the word "muzzle", most people hate it. They hate the idea of a muzzle more than the idea of a dog attack. Society is doomed and I can't fix it.
Having had a vet clinic for many years, when dogs have committed an attack on this level, they are VERY likely to continue the pattern. They had been practicing aggression previously and then they became highly skilled. Dogs don’t go back to lower levels of aggression. Yes, they could possibly be managed by extremely skilled handlers with impeccable attention to the management. BUT. No regular household could ensure long term that other dogs (and people) are safe from future aggressive events with those dogs. Excellent excellent video and handling of a tough topic. I’m always grateful that your voice of knowledge, experience and reason is continuing to educate. Please don’t stop!!
So happy to see a person, in the world of dog's, agree that aggression is only managed and not eradicated. And it's only managed by someone the dog respects. And that person has to be 100% on their game with eyes in the back of their head.
Dog Aggression and Human directed aggression are not related.
@@WDLC1911 I have always wondered about this. I have come across generic pitbull types in public places that stared my dog very intently (tail whips back and forth--a heightened state of arousal) but when they look at me, their entire posture changes to one of absolute friendliness.....there was no mistaking this complete change in demeanor. Another interesting factoid, the owners in both cases, were completely oblivious to their dogs' attitudes--absolutely clueless. By this point though, we are walking away as quickly as possible.
@@melblacke5726, yes. It’s “odd” in that we as humans think “aggression is aggression”. But think of it as “interest” and then we see bird dogs interested in birds. Cattle dogs typically interested in cattle and fighting dogs their own kind.
This is what I think about raising a Pit Bull. It must be lovingly cared for in a close to a zero stress environment. There must be an outlet for its natural aggression: tug of war, spring pole, flirt pole, etc. There must be play and exercise to match its drive. Never encourage the pup to go after a human (don’t allow people to tease the dog). If those things cannot be effectively addressed there’s likely to be some trouble - especially the first and last item. The lack of an avenue to expend its natural aggression will also cause issues if the dog isn’t naturally calm.
Mine, even as an adult, would come up to me, put one paw on my leg and lean into me for affection. The first three nights. S every Friday I would spend a few hours cuddling him and sleeping with the pup on a beanbag chair.
When I got him outside I’d sprint away from him laughing. He’d run and try to catch up. Id get on the ground at his level and play with him - roll him over and scratch his belly, nibble on his ears.
The goal was to show him that I was always in his life in a positive manner: a source of food, fun and consistent firm but loving discipline.
He’d not hurt a human unless you went after someone in the house and only if the dog interpreted your intent as a serious intent to do harm.
But he was ALWAYS dog aggressive. We had a poodle that he was fine with. As a puppy he always grabbed the poodle’s collar so we removed the collar. It was the Bulldog’s instinct to fight and wrestle and the poodle could not take that so I wrestled and played tug of war, etc with him and the rough play with the poodle stopped. I never did anything to make the Bulldog jealous. I would pick up the poodle and would step across the Bulldog and run his sides so he thought early that this was how to receive affection.
When I’d take them to the vet the Bulldog was eventually unmanageable. We’d call ahead and the vet would bring us thru the side door straight into a room. As soon as Dr. Peter’s and his assistant would come into the room he’d whine and carry on with them for about five minutes.
When he’d hear a dog bark he’d stiffen up like a statue. Staring intently in the direction he heard the bark. No dog could even approach the poodle.
So, it CAN be done but it’s as much as the dog as it is the trainer. When people say “Pit Bulls are just like any other dog” they are either (a) ignorant, (b) not been around a working strain variant or (c) disingenuous. There’s nothing wrong with the first two…
Also, every owner of an intense dog should have a break stick to pry them off. If you see a Pit Bull or any catchdog breed (to include a Malinois or Dutch Shepherd) with its owner and they have no means to pry the dog off go elsewhere. Mistakes happen and you don’t need to be part of that mistake.
God bless.
@@WDLC1911 this is simply not true. Dogs who are showing aggression to other dogs are practicing over threshold behavior. They are practicing expressing their frustration with aggressive acts. They are at very high risk of expressing frustration at humans with aggressive acts. They are at very high risk of displacing their dog aggression onto a human. This goes the other direction too.
When we were kids our neighbor had a wiener dog that snatched one of our puppies through the cyclone fence between our yards and killed it. Nothing was done at that time. Then it killed one of our kittens in the same way in front of my brother. I will never forget the scream. The neighbors decided enough was enough and put the dog down. It was very sad for all of us, because we liked their dog. But it’s true, aggressive dogs get better at aggression
In 2021 Pittbulls Accounted for 93% of All Family pets killed by dogs. And they are only 🥲6% of dogs.
Dachshund s. can also be very agressive, muxh like Terriers , were used to go underground after vermin, & kill.
That is prey drive. Very different.
Thats not aggression at all. Dachschunds were bred to catch small animals: rabbits, mice, moles etc... This is the dogs instinct, not aggression. Until somebody socializes & trains the dog they shouldnt be left alone outside especially if they have access to small animals in nature. Its sad to think that poor dog lost its life because the ignorant owner mistook his small prey drive for aggression🤦♀️ And all that was really necessary were some antecedents, like a better gate/barrier set up.
@@adriana7310 small animals such as moles rabbit squirrel etc. not PUPPIES THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR. This is territorial and aggression. He’s not just hunting.
My buddy had a pit around 1999. His wife had a Jack Russel. Coaster, the pit, was the best dog in the world, trained and loved. While Coaster was gutting the Jack, the wife stepped in. She ended up in critical condition, 800+ stichtes. She almost bled out.
Poor lady. Big dogs, any big dog can do much damage. Around children any dog can do damage. More breeds should be banned as household pets. Families do not need dogs capable of killing.
"While Coaster was gutting the Jack"....there's your 'best dog in the world' lol
Typical pitbull behaviour.
@@jenny2tone242 attacking the other dog? Not uncommon.
Attacking the woman? Not common at all.
@@WDLC1911 Wrong. Pit bulls and their mixes are the number 1 canine killer of humans. No other breed comes close in number of fatalities. So not as uncommon as you say.
Friends of ours lost a sister-in-law. She went out one morning to feed her horses and was attacked by 2 pits. They eviscerated her, tore off one of her arms etc. This was about the same timeframe. Denver had already banned pits from the city. Those dogs were euthanized.
Tragic ending.
My God, how horrible. So sorry for the family and friends too.
That is called pack mentality. Thank you for being a voice of reason. I am sick of hearing, 'he is my baby he would never hurt anyone. '
I agree, people who say that line are one of the people I hate the most. How they can actually believe a dog will behave itself in all scenarios is beyond me. I have childhood trauma from neighbors who kept dog packs. Dogs change when they have a pack, like Dr. Jackal and Mr. Hyde. I have seen a perfectly good behaving dog turn into something wicked when it gets caught up in the moment with a pack. For example, my sister's next door neighbor's dogs (had around six dogs) were pretty okay when they were ALONE, but when they roamed as a pack they killed my sister's cat and tried to kill my dog while we were walking on the road. We always had to drive quietly when approaching the house, look around carefully to see where the dogs were and make it to the house before they got close, just in case they were in an aggressive mood. They also ALWAYS chased the car when we left. Let me tell you, trying to drive with six dogs chasing your car is awful. When the neighbors down the road had a child, despite the pack owner being a cop, we called the cops and had the dogs removed as it was against the law to even have that many dogs without a kennel license, let alone allow them to roam loose. We only waited that long because of the fact that the owner was a cop and all the shelters around at the time were kill shelters. Once a young child was involved any sympathy or fear of reprisal had to be thrown out the window. I am 40 years old now and am still traumatized from the things that pack did. Thanks to various incidents with aggressive dogs and their irresponsible owners when I was still young, I developed a fear of dogs that is still with me today. Even though I like dogs in general, I am always scared when seeing one approaching me until I know for sure that it is friendly. Even then I never fully trust them, and that is so so sad. I am missing out on all the good things that come with a close bond with a dog. Over all, people should never have more than two dogs unless they are a professional handler and follow kenneling practices, no matter how experienced they believe themselves to be.
Right - I agree completely! It was great when he pointed out that people shouldn't attach human emotions to these dogs. They're animals. Period. I feel very sorry for the poor Boxer. What a terrible way to go! The owners should be ashamed of themselves!
This is all owners that don't know or want to take responsibility!!!
People need the training first ! Too many people have no idea about dogs, just get cute puppies. Dogs are a 24/7 job !
Thank you for your sensibility !
Neighburs of mine had 2 pit bull x dogs that would get out and cause havoc in our neighborhood including killing peoples small pets etc; they were warned numerous times to make sure the dogs were not able to get out but they did - Everyone was so concerned about them coming across a small child as we had seen what they did to small animals. Needless to say these dogs mysteriously disappeared and then the owners moved. No one is entitled to have dogs that kill ANYTHING for no reason. Once a killer always a killer.
If someone would’ve touched my dogs u would’ve been burried w Em
Dog aggression is totally different than human aggression
Seniors have died going for a walk In thier own neighborhood
Yup...totally **APPROPRIATE**
Truth has no defense,nor requires defense WHEN a stupid man insists on choosing to believe a lie.
Sounds to me like another neighbor had feeling like yours and decided to handle the problem. If someone allowed their dog to harm my dog, who knows what might happen.
I absolutely love animals. But what makes me the angriest is when people refuse to leash their dog, who's running at you. They yell from down the block, "Don't worry, he's friendly!" I have to yell back, "Mine is not!" People forget a leash law protects everyone's dogs. It's not fair to the dogs nor to the owner whose dog is properly leashed.
I’m old enough to remember a time when a dog who became aggressive, whether to another dog or to a family member, took a quick ride in the car with Dad, who came back home alone. Man, we should go back to those times.
The dogs were taken out behind the barn where I grew up. The end. Men were men and adult decisions were made.
That’s how I grew up and no one asked any questions
My grandad did the same to our dog
We are going back there, women are now second class citizens and black Americans are losing rights. Just shut up when you spout ignorance. And NO MAN is taking MY dog anywhere if he/she bites someone. My husband would lose an arm and his home for trying. FULL STOP.
Y’all sound dumb tbh
I had to put my beloved Pitbull, 5 years old, to sleep several years ago, because he snapped and was trying to kill my other dogs, who he always loved. I knew it was never going to end. He was too dangerous to risk it. I still cry over his loss... But, it had to be done. He wasn't just suddenly dog aggressive, he was also somewhat human aggressive.
And I agree, the female jumped in to attack the Boxer, not protect him. That poor boxer.
Sorry, but something should have been done when you knew that your Pit Bull was human aggressive. Were you waiting for your human aggressive Pit Bull to harm someone? On second thought, yes, you were waiting for your aggressive Pit Bull to attack someone or something.
@@schoomzer Hey tard, did you miss the part where she put the dog down? A pet owner will at least try to give their dog the benefit of the doubt, especially since it happened suddenly. Get off your high horse
@@schoomzer why you beating up in a guy that took responsibility for his aggressive dog? He did what was right, didn't fool himself re predictable future attacks and made a heartbreaking decision to have him put to sleep. What is your angle ?
@@Spyglass2024 You would not be saying that if his decision was a day late after mauling you!!!!!!
@@Spyglass2024 Yes, but I think schoomzer is trying to point out that ppl wait because they don't want to have to make the hard decisions they know they are going to have to make.
Who the hell leaves dogs alone for the weekend????
Exactly. Clearly bigger issues happening well before the " weekend away "
Where were the crates!!
millions upon millions of 21st century dog nutters around the world who have completely anthropomorphized dogs.
The whole weekend that is a problem there
Pit hater using hoax issues to create a pit ban law.
I had a bull terrier and a Maltese poodle. I never ever left them alone together the only time they were together was when I was around. I didn't even leave them alone outside together or inside I had my eyes on them constantly when they were together. When I went out they were locked up separately.
Tell her pits are the #1 canine killer of children.
You are a very responsible person
You were very wise to be cautious.
Too much work. Just shoot one and keep the other. Have a nice day.
Tho bullterriers are not pitbulls, were at one time bred for fighting, ancestry goes back to pitbull & bulldog animal aggressiveness .
While walking my Bouvier quietly down the sidewalk 3 separate times 3 different pit bulls came from no where and tried to attack him. They're too unpredictable for most people to own. Especially if they are not qualified to train.
Love Bouviers! Don’t see them often
@@catneedham4913 I'm on my 2nd thinking about getting another they're super chill.
Since cities don't seem to enforce leash laws it's time to sue the Pitt owners. We have a leash law but from what I hear dogs get one "free bite" before it's enforced. There is an "irresponsible owner" who lets a Cane Corso roam loose. Think of a 110 pound Pitt that doesn't bother to growl first.
@@bradleyanderson4315 Cane Corsos are pits. Oh my lord you people 😂 of course you’d call a mastiff breed a ‘pit.’ Still high off of that animals24/7.
@@bradleyanderson4315 here Fla. Is no one bite allowed, any breed, attacks, once , is surrendered to Animal control . Some cases, are returned, but with restrictions, males must be neutered, & muzzled when out side, or being walked. Second incident , put down .
I'm horrified. Poor boxer. The pits cannot be provided the opportunity to do this again.
No they shouldn't. Next time it could be a child. The dogs should be euthanized.
What about the terrified Russell? Can you imagine it's insecurity after that? After a dog gets the flavor of fresh warm blood it's over. How can anyone deliberate over this!
@@debrapaulino918 Dogs don't crave blood
I would have these pits put down period
@@cheyenne2572 Wrong! They do after they have tasted it.
Once a dog bites, much more likely to do it again.
If they learn it works to protect themselves. Yes, dogs bite when they feel threatened (even if we don't think they should be.) Not because they sit at night and ponder on who to take revenge. Animas react in the moment, they can't call their lawyer when they get in a bad situation, so they take matters into their own hands (or mouths, when they feel it's necessary.)
I still have PTSD from 2014 when a pitbull ripped out of a broken gate and attacked my little Golden Doodle while she was taking a poo. Thankfully, the dog retreated after kicking her hard a few times. I was walking two dogs at the time and she went straight for my female. When I addressed it with the owners, they said it was because she was in heat, as if it was an acceptable excuse...😡🤬
Living outside San Antonio and pit bulls are favorite dogs in this area. Every year there is a dog / human attack and they ALWAYS involve this breed. Say anything you want but families with these dogs are exposing themselves and their children to potentially catastrophic injuries.
Emphasis on “catastrophic injuries”!
Catastrophic injuries or death.
Time bombs 💣 👍😤
That a very ignorant statement pitbulls and bullies are not the problem it is the owner's that have no idea what they are doing that are the problem stop blaming the breed.
@@larrycasaletto2331 So what? Owning a psycho dog proves that the owner is a psycho. Just because the human is dangerous doesn't make the dog any less dangerous. Put them both down.
Years ago, my mother picked up a a stray female pit from the park. She was scared, scarred and it took my mom two weeks to get her into the car. We think that she may have been a bait dog for other dogs to train to fight. She turned out to be pregnant and had four puppies. One went to a good home, two we kept and one had to be put to sleep. He was extremely aggressive toward everybody from the get-go. The vet said he was a danger to us and the other dogs. It was heartbreaking, but it had to be done. The mother dog was one of the sweetest and best dogs we ever had, the puppies turned out to be very protective of my mom, but not aggressive. They all lived good lives.
So you put the mother dog to sleep or one of the male babies? You used the word "he" was extremely aggressive so I am confused. Did you mean "she" was extremely aggressive?
@@ameliab7245 It was one of the male puppies. They found a home for one, had one put to sleep because he was aggressive, and kept the other two along with the mother.
@@ameliab7245 What GirlFriday said. One of the puppies was extremely aggressive almost from birth. The vet recommended that he be put to sleep. It was a tough decision, but he had attacked both my mother and the other dogs.
doubt it would be a bait dog
Yep, little jack is in trouble next.
Hope not I like ja ck Russell's,
Or the son will kill the mother pit- that happens alot too with big dogs who stay with mom too long
That is heartbreaking. But yes most people always put human emotions into their pets. Pets do NOT process like that. So many people do not understand this then they end up with horribly disobedient and crazy animals.
The dogs should have been crated or each put in different rooms. You never leave dogs out with no one is around. People should know about the breed of dog they get. Basically this is an owner mistake.
if owners have to go to such extreme lengths to contain their "pets", it just shows how incompatible to human society these things are; they don't belong with us. They don't even belong in nature. They are man-made mutants that should be exterminated from this earth.
Never ? My beagle/lab mixes were always out together and never had an issue 14 yrs. Yep breed matters.
Ya, i have 2 male bullies, and a FIGHT when I'm not home is my biggest worry. I NEVER leave them alone together. You just never know. Its the little one that would start after the other one, who is a big baby.
Never take chances.
@@80bbygrl exactly this, this is not about breed, this about animals in general males or female, they are all supposed to be crated and separated, never leave them alone, train your dogs, get educated on how to deal with them specially if you got big breeds
@@SLEEPYCAPPYCASH lol it's absolutely about breed. Pits are fighting dogs bred to kill other things in a pit. They are bulldog and terrier crosses. Staffies are pits that got AKC registration. Bullies are staffies mixed with pits and bulldogs.
They are all bloodsport dogs. Normal dogs won't do this.
In my home town of Moruya, NSW, Australia, only a few weeks ago, a 3 months old baby was attacked and slaughtered by two rottweilers in the loungeroom of a home her parents were visiting, whilst her parents were outside with their friends, enjoying a BBQ. When they came inside, they found their baby still alive, but didn't survive! Oh the HORROR.
Anyone who would leave a baby alone with two large dogs should not have children or pets. I don't care how nice the dog is, dogs are clumsy, and large animal antics and small child antics don't mix well without supervision by qualified adults.
OMG. The parents and other people left the baby alone inside with a dog that is not even part of the baby's family. Even it was the baby's family, never, ever leave a dog alone with baby and children, even with adults. I do not trust never.
Must be why pit bull apologists call them nanny dogs, oh wait!?
Oh my fucking god, when will people learn to stop leaving their children alone with big powerful dogs?!
@@cheyenne2572 yeah who ever just leaves their children alone with huge dogs like that is endangering the life of that child, it’s the parents fault and the parents in this story are horrible parents
I was so horrified by this story, I don't where to start.
There are worse, horror stories, dogs attacking owners, children, other breeds, majority are pitb.
Maybe by blaming the owners, not the dogs. Remember, dogs don't have morals.
@@Memow-pk1ng Because pits are allowed to mass multiply on the streets and in fighting rings. A well breed and raised pit is not a threat. Though I must say I've met some rescued fighting pits that were nicer than humans.
Had a niece with a Pit with Hog hunting lines in it's make up, she thought it was her child, I always had a pistol on me around that dog, never trusted it. Growled at my Momma and brother said she did something wrong. Some Dog people are nothing but complete freaking idiots.
Also, years ago, I was Deer hunting during bow season, not allowed to carry a pistol in my state, will not happen again, 2 pet dogs ran up on me and put me up a tree. I was younger and more agile, would not be able to climb a tree today but I carry now, do not worry about laws.
People, People, People, they are animals that have to be trained...............
Were the dogs that hunted you up into a tree pit bulls?
trained and physically controlled simultaneously
One dog can absolutely kill another! We used to ALWAYS separate my boxer and my moms boxer when we left home because theyd sometimes fight. Both were seniors and my moms dog passed on within a year or soafter they started having their "tiff" but we never left them unattended together
Pure negligence on part of the owners. Three bull breeds with no limits between them. Terrible.
Boxer is not a bull breed
@@user-yt4qg4df5h dude. Literally comes from Bullenbeissers (Bull biters) mixed with old English bulldogs. Learn the breed history. They’re just as much of a bull breed as frenchies, English bulldogs and yes, pits.
@@apbtdefinition Finally an educated person
@@bbycherub2420 I love dogs and I love history. Goes hand-in-hand
100%
Hi Ed! I've had APBT for 30 years. I've had dogs that could get along with other dogs and some that didn't.
Here is the deal ... You always expect that an APBT will fight. Dog aggression becomes predictable.
You never leave them Alone to their own devices. You don't leave them alone together or with little kids or really any one that isn't experienced with the breed.
For what ever reason I can't keep a apbt dog I can't place them in good concise. Just my rule and it works for me.
Those dogs tag teamed and stretched that boxer out.
Ed you always give solid advice !
whats point of owning this breed
@93ImagineBreaker dog fighting! 😂 I bet $200 my dog would beat yours 👊👊🫡🫡😕🎮🏃♀️🙃💫🇨🇭😂😔🏊♂️🎮👌🇨🇭😆😅
If those dogs would do that to another dog that they lived with on a daily basis what will they do to you when they don't like something you do? I read about a lady who went to a shelter and adopted what appeared to be a sweet loving pit bull. She had this dog a couple of years. One day this dog out of nowhere attacked this woman in her own home and ripped this woman's arm off including other major injuries. The woman barely survived the attack. She said later to never get a pit bull. She said they can't be trusted especially from a shelter!
Yes, you hear it time and again with these dogs. Some people are stupid they believe they can love the genetic drive right out of them.
Absurd
@@cheyenne2572 Correct, it's absurd that shelters are fobbing off these types of dogs onto unsuspecting, well meaning families.
@@jenny2tone242 I meant the woman who did not know what she was doing was absurd, seems see is not the only one.
@@cheyenne2572 Whats even more absurd is when some clever sod expects you to instantly know what they are referring to 🤔
Two staffy terriers attacked my Malinois who was walking with me (the owner had them off leash in his front yard and they dual attacked my dog unprovoked) and I’ve seen pits gang up (by twos) and even start fights with mid-high content wolf dogs. I’m not anti pit of staffies, but I am super upset with owners not understanding that there is a tendency for staffies/pits to gang up and attack dogs unprovoked. And they don’t do anything to correct the dogs or set boundaries, which is a huge error.
If this lady’s pitbulls were already resource guarding, they had a switch that was inevitably going to go off and shouldn’t be left alone with the other dogs. I also felt the need to address a Malinois owner who recorded a tug session with a pitbull, trying to show off the mal’s tenacity, but you could see the mal was playing fair/calmly, and the pit was going to do whatever it had to do to get the object away from the mal. Recipe for disaster and a horrible use of Malinois talent, putting it into that situation. So much ignorance, but if you care about dogs and their owners, you have to warn them.
I own a Malinois as well, and I'm in a neighborhood with tons of pitbulls, my neighbors have 2, 1 which has killed a small dog. I don't trust bully's, and it's mostly because I don't trust owners of bully breeds. Most refuse to be knowledgeable of breed genetics and drives and excuse the behavior and say Bully's are gentle giants, nanny dogs etc.
Most pitbull owners live in their own delusional little world. Denying all facts, statistics until a attack actually happens to them.
People forget the actual “training your dog” part but even worse and possibly more tragic is they fail to get themselves trained. We are responsible for these creatures and we fail them when stuff like this happens.
Why would you be pro a breed made solely for senseless violence?
@@Greggah nobody here said they were pro human
I love a male German Shepard Mastiff cross, and a femaleAmerican Stafy that was a rescue and mostly blind. If I’m gone they are in their crates. Not just about fighting but anxiety, in a crate no issues. They are conditioned to accept that and it’s a piece of mind for me and the cat.
I was dog sitting for a friend over Thanksgiving ten years ago. They had 6 dogs in a fenced common area with a locked barn they could access through a hole. There was an alpha female. One dog had its own dog houe near the house and was gentle. One day the alpha female attacked one of the dogs and even the gentle dog joined.There was even a puppy a few months old that also attacked. That's pack mentality. You can't stop it once it starts. The dog lived thankfully.
Yrs ago when my oldest kids who are now in later 30's were young we had a couple of small house mutts from humane society. They were good dogs, playful n silly. When my kids would wrestle on the floor those two mutts would play attack the kid who was getting pummeled. The pack mentality it pretty easy to spot.
yeah I don't know why people don't seem to know this
Old school apbt people would always say that you shouldn't keep the breed with other dogs or small animals. It was common knowledge. What happened?
Plenty of APBT people still do. This owner likely had mutts or other breeds she referred to as pits wrongly. Everyone with an actual APBT does not do this.
People started treating dogs like humans is what happened, in my opinion.
Get your bs out of here. Do not gaslight people, it’s pathetic.
@@carlosolivas7280 Its true. People who pretend it isn't are the one who should not own them.
The rescues that want them adopted. They are trying to change the narrative to get them homes.
I agree with you 100% about not putting human emotions onto dogs. Leads to violence and bad situations like this because people don't look at the facts of the situation and don't want to actually deal with the problem
The #1 cause in problem relationships and poor outcomes between dog and owner with scores measuring harmony, and low rates of satisfaction with the relationship - humans who anthropomorphize dogs, attribute to the animal human qualities especially overestimating intelligence and comprehension, that places on the dog impossible burdens or expectations and sets them up to fail. No, a dog does not 'understand' what you are saying. No, they do not 'know better'. Dogs have the cognition and reasoning ability of a 2 ~ 3 y.o. child.
Two to one the Jack Russell's crazy energy started the whole thing. But the truth will never be known. I would never l have left these dogs alone together.
@@bethwasserman2882 Or, the Pits sensed weakness and went for the easier target, which they often do, since they were created FOR THAT PURPOSE
Those would be people that call dogs, Fur Babies.
They aren't the only ones...
Tragic situation. From the information it seems the owners were ill informed and irresponsible on many aspects of multiple dog ownership. Sadly that’s cost their boxer its life. Who leaves dogs for a weekend … Neglect! Totally agree about people putting human emotions on dogs - they’re not furbabies, but opportunistic apex predators. As Ed read the owner’s statement, there were more red flags than the Chinese Olympic opening ceremony. Upsetting as these videos are, it’s all about education; and if it saves another dog from a similar situation it has been worth it.
I was living with a gal long ago who ran a dog rescue group. We had multiple dogs in the house. Usually my dogs were kept in my room with door closed when I wasn’t home, but one time, the hallway gate I think got knocked down, so all of the dogs then (I guess) bunched up at the sliding glass door where the dog door was. So anyway, I get home, my youngest dog was in the living room where she wasn’t supposed to be, was acting scared, was limping, and had puncture wounds on a front leg. Another dog, also a female had a 1 puncture wound under an eye. That dog belonged to the owner of house, she was a husky mix. My dog was a mixture of 4 or more breeds.. I called her my Heinz57. So while I was shocked, I was glad neither of them were seriously hurt. It really could have been a cluster*uck..
I wish you told the story more clearly. The door to your room wasn't closed? Was it a hall gate or sliding glass door? Or both? How did your dogs get into living room? Try to make it clearer please.
@@starcatcher3691 This was long ago. I probably left my door open. Only thing I can remember was gate in hallway got knocked down, and I believe all the dogs got bunched up at the sliding glass door trying to get into yard. That didn’t work obviously. So there was an altercation. I was just happy there were no serious injuries, and after that, everyone still got along and played like nothing had occurred.
As the owner of a boxer mix, this broke my heart. I really appreciate your voice of reason on that situation, both pits need to be put down after something like that.
very clear advice
I often wonder when watching one of those bazillions I-rescued-a-Pitty-what a lovebugg-videos, how many of those had a tragic ending later on. Genetics do matter (look at Boder collies or Malinois, their amazing frive) and combine that t^with back yard breeders and poor handling, that is scary. Considering that the prize of a wrong judgement might be the health or life of a human (or another dog) I think there are situations when putting them down is reasonable
You cannot single out Pits, there are many high prey drive and guard dogs being carelessly bred, carelessly managed and carelessly handled resulting in injuries to other animals and people, the Chihuahua is one of the worst biters of all the breeds the only thing that saves them from bad press is they are so small. A LOT of the Pits DO lead loving lives, this not a breed issue, it’s about the ignorant people who indiscriminately breed strong dogs for nefarious reasons and put them out into the world. The next big problems to come are all the carelessly bred Malinois, Cane Corsos, Boerboels etc at least here in Florida, that’s when people will see this is not a single breed problem. Imho, anyone who breeds dogs should be licensed and accountable for their breeding practices.
@@PARoth2011 I'm in Fla too , backyard breeding of pit types, is banned., & reputable breeders of purebreds as APBT, AmStaff , Staffies, allowed 2 litters a yr . there at counties, like Miami Dade, that bans, breeding, owning, selling any pit types.
Tho some shelters still adopting out adult pits, can be risky, may been good with previous owner, but notcompatible with a new one. Many have owned for yrs. & then somethingcanset them off, . goes for any breed .. but majority are pit types .
If genetics matter then how come you don't even know that Pitbulls are not bred to kill?
Well said,I agree.
This can happen with any breed but is a no brainer with pit bulls. Not a matter of "if" but when.
So many queues went unnoticed by the owners. Excuses even after the horrendous event of one dog losing it's life. Tough decisions sometimes need to be made for everyone's benefit, not just the dogs involved
Did you mean "clues"?
Sounds like signs were there that a problem could escalate. The “tussle like siblings over a toy or food” is resource guarding and ALWAYS a cause for concern.
Yes, I’m being extremely emotional. But, I can’t help but wonder what the poor Boxer’s last thought’s were: “Are mommy and daddy going to save me?” Boxer’s are wonderful, sweet dogs. The thought of losing one so tragically is heartwrenching.
So true. I have a lab but I love boxers
So unfair and so easily prevented.
Poor boxer's emotions have gotten you sentimental? Why don't you mourn for the 1000s of children/toddlers/infants that have been maimed, mauled, torn apart dying in agony, they still happen to this very day because of "shitbull lobby and the good old "it's all about how they were raised" argument. People's lives are being taken away by an abomination of a breed yet people turn their blind eye towards that.
@@pachaaaspaisa I think people care a lot, our voices are suppressed. Even within the pit bull lobby if one should fall, step out of line....
@@pachaaaspaisa You’re barking up the wrong tree (no pun intended.) I think it’s long overdue for pit bulls to be banned. Like you, I’ve been on several websites and have seen what these monsters do to children and adults….it infuriates me. I was just making a comment about this particular video. So please don’t mistaken me for a pit bull supporter. I own two little Westies….the “Cesar Dog Food” mascot. Even with my little dogs, I wouldn’t leave them unsupervised around children….I’m a responsible dog owner.
This is why I only get basset hounds. I have had 6 of them and my father had one too. They are the least aggressive dogs I have ever seen and are almost impossible to anger. My homeowners insurance company says the same thing.
I had one try to bite me once. All dogs can be aggressive but a Pit Bulldog will finish or at least will give it more effort than other breeds.
Beagles and shih tzus are very sweet and gentle
I have two male rottie, lab, pit mix littermates at about 18 months old. They are gentle, loving, non aggressive dogs but I watch them constantly for any aggression, even though they get along great. We have a plan if they become too rough with each other. We don't take them lightly at all. They are big enough to injure someone even in play so we are careful not to play rough with them.
I have 2 pit/lab mix siblings male and female. My niece originally git them but was renting so couldn't keep them. The female minds really well but the male challenges me but I had German shepherds so am use to working with large dogs. I always put him in his kennel when I leave and my property is fenced and cross fenced to keep everyone safe. People need to be responsible with their pets...they are animals. On the other hand people also expect better behavior from an animal then people. I tried rehoming the dogs through a no kill shelter but they said they only place maybe 4% of pits and the rest? They get euthanized at a no kill shelter? So I took them home and 6 years so far all good.
I have 4 male dogs. One is a border collie, catahoula, Pitbull, Pitbull mix. All of the dogs are rescues. I would never leave any two of them together any length of time. I've had the border Collie for 6 years catahoula for five years. Their older dogs been together all these years,but I still wouldn't leave any of them together in a yard without supervision. I've worked in and managed shelters for over 30 years. I've worked in boarding facilities. I've watch dogs go after each other when they couldn't get to what they wanted. Had a boxer go after me when it couldn't get to what it wanted, a male Doberman. I got 18 holes in me before they could get him off. One of the biggest things that human beings need to understand, is how animals see the world. How a dog is supposed to live in a pack. We force them to live in our world our way.
Owning this many potentially aggressive strong dogs is completely stupid on your part.
Your murder machine did a murder? Say it ain't so...
I have to agree with you..been training dogs for over 40 yrs
Good to see you, Mr. Frawley! I got your 'E-collar' course and me and the doggie are having the time of our life, off leash alot of the time! I would highly recommend this to anyone who has questions/fears/issues concerning E-collars. Ed is very patient, thorough and realistic in his approach and the price is well worth it!
Imagine owning dog-fighting breeds and being surprised to find them doing what they were bred to do. Dumb humans.
pit nutters have to lie to the public and say they were actually bred to be nanny dogs. You can't make this up. Psychos.
Imagine owning a shitbull. FTFY.
True enough. People should have to pass a test before being able to get one of these dogs. Even my male lab wouldn’t be handled easily by many people.
@Grand Champion May Day APBT are just a mix between existing bully breed with terriers... they're just mutant mutts. All bully breed mixes are useless shitbreeds.
@Grand Champion May Day true
You're life long experience and advice is always sound. Thanks
Thank you for doing this video so much this happened with a dog of ours and a cat. It’s a unfortunate situation. It’s really kind of you to make this video to help them understand what’s going on.
Huge rhanka for doing these, the info you share is priceless🙏🤝💚
This is so heartbreaking, it comes down to safety, if it happened once, it could happen again not just to another animal but to a human being. I am So sorry for your loss.and the pain you are going through.
Hi. I Agee with you. My suggestion, these dogs should only be owned by experience that are also knowledgeable dog trainers that can handle any situation. People have to stop treating their dogs as humans, they are animals first. Thank you for this video and I hope people learned something from you. Stay safe.
People do not take the time to train their dogs and to work them in the area they’re bred to work.
I work out my Mal 2-3 hours a day. We do PSA competition, I trained him for service and protection.
He mingled with kids and is dog neutral.
I found a place to train him. In he city off leash and it is a duck park so off leash dogs can’t go as they chase the ducks. My Mal leaves them alone.
I can’t stand untrained dogs running onto our training sessions.
The owners are Morons.
Thank you for spreading awareness instead of idiocy
Thxs for the reminder of the necessity of being in absolute control
People just need to have some common sense when it comes to all dogs. I have a Dachshund. He's the absolute sweetest little dog and we're together 24-7 when I'm not at work. However, he has aggression. I saw it in him from the earliest age. When my brothers and nephews come around they want to do that thing men do and make him mad and play rough with him but I don't allow it for one second. I also had a cat that just recently passed away at 16. My dog absolutely knew aggression wasn't tolerated toward the cat and yet I knew he was jealous and I just couldn't fully trust him around her when I wasn't there. I never left them alone in a room together when I wasn't there. He never so much as growled at her but I know his instincts. There's no way in h*ll I was going to risk coming home to that scene. I also did some research when I noticed the aggression. They were originally bred to hunt badgers. So naw, not going to leave a small animal alone with him and take that chance. I'm also not going to lay a baby up on the bed with him or have a small child pulling on him or up in his face. He's vicious with his toys, vicious, and I 'think' he understands that's where he's supposed to take out his aggression and he's never taken it out on anything living. But also, I'll never give him that opportunity.
That poor boxer! Although I believe dogs (animals in general) do have emotions that we can recognize and relate to, they are still all wired differently than us. People have a tendency these days to think of their pets, especially dogs are just like children. They are not. I believe there are ways to manage dogs that have aggressive tendencies towards other dogs, kids, strangers etc., but it is a commitment that you can never take for granted. You can train them to reduce the chances of an attack, but you can never rely on that training especially when they're not directly supervised. You have to remove the opportunities for them to fail. In other words, you don't test your training skills with a dog that doesn't like children by sitting a child in front of it. You train so that you know that you can control your dog's behavior should an unavoidable interaction of some type occur, but you can never take it for granted.
Wow. Love that you have a Q&A for any random person.
Thank you for this reply.
Let‘s just see:
1. Four energetic dogs left alone inside during the week = frustration inevitably builds up
2. The same dogs can release their frustration on weekends, unattended, uncontrolled, the way they like to
3. some of these dogs have shown aggressions (provoked a fight) towards the others without much intervention of the owners
4. some are showing aggressions around resources without the owners‘ intervention
To sum it up: this is a desaster waiting to happen.
You forgot to add that they may even have been hungry or thirsty..my guess is the food was all gone at the end of the first day.
I had 2 boxers and dogs can be very jealous.
At some point one will be the alpha and ugly fights can happen very fast.
Better spay them, it will help to avoid fights.
Mine would tag team other dogs, so boxers are no angels either. It is a pack mentality.
Better to never own pitbulls especially if you’re going to have them around other dogs.
@@robinpigeon2070
True.
Our friend had 2 dog's .The man woke up to one of the dogs killing the other one he couldn't get the dog to let go . It was heartbreaking
He loss both dogs as he had to put the male down.
Very well said sir
I wouldnt want a pitbull if it was the last breed of dog on the planet.and I am a massive dog lover.
Its got nothing to do with how the dog is raised and EVERYTHING to do with genetics, which you CANNOT change.
Pitbulls were bred for killing, thats years of genetics creating a breed with a purpose in mind.
Sadly people seem to be immune to this statement and reality.
I most certainly would never have a jack Russell along with a pack of dogs that contain pitbulls either.
I will be happy to see the number of pitbulls dwindle around the world when people catch a wake up as to how lethally dangerous they are.
And to all those pitbull owners that will diss me and this post, ive been a trainer, a rescue worker for a long time. I would never work with a pitbull, nor would I ever rescue a pitbull, nor would I ever encourage a person to adopt a pitbull.
Ive seen enough to know this breed should not exist.
I have heard too many horror stories about pitbulls.
Any dog can be dangerous in certain conditions, but a pitbull is a ticking time bomb, it can be lovely for years and one day it might turn on you, your family or your other pets, and remember the physiology of this breed will ensure your mangled toast, ive worked with many large breeds of dogs for many years, and helped with various large breed dogs with problem backgrounds, but I wouldnt give a pitbull the time of day.
Pitbulls are problem dogs due to their genetics, they dont belong in suburbs, nor amongst families and other pets.
Dont ever say you weren't warned.
The fatalities due to pitbull attacks in my country are massive, because people think they make great guard dogs, dont make this mistake either.
Dogs come with great responsibility, if you dont have the time to spend with a dog, dont get one.
Absolutely agree with you.
Pits can only bite legs. They’re lousy guard dogs.
I will stick to my Belgian Malinois. Even a Mal in the wrong hands is very dangerous.
Humans are idiots over all. I live in the city and will only train my Mal in a little unknown park because if the vast amount of untrained dogs.
My Mal is dog neutral, but has been surrounded by a pack of untrained dogs and the stupid owners could not recall any of them.
I loath untrained dogs and stupid dog owners
I had a male pit bull, bred by my best friend. Raised him same as my other dogs. Brought a stray kitten home, who scratched his nose and brought blood. Cat was dead in a millisecond. Kept him. 2 months later he attacked 3 members of my family who he was raised with. It’s not always how they are raised.
I truly believe genetics plays a role in aggression. I've seen pits raised in the same home, raised exactly the same, and one will be very sweet and the other aggressive. A person I knew had 4 3-month-old pit puppies left from a litter of 8. Three of the four ganged up on the 4th one and almost killed it. That is scary.
Take your dogs with you, don't let them alone for the weekend.
Also, thanks for being their for people. These day everyone want to charge, and the dog situation just keep growing.
Okay, I am not the perfect dog owner, but I’ve noticed that so many dogs don’t get any exercise. They’re just in a house all day: big dogs and little. This IS one way that dogs are like people. Exercise, physical movement and fresh air are essential IMO to mental health. I did not get a dog until my work situation changed permanently and I had more time at home. She is fortunately other dog friendly and if i’m away more than a few hours we have a doggie daycare for her to run off that lab energy. The days I am home we do early morning walks and/or park time and then mid day and evening. Several times we’ve had close calls from dogs bursting out the doors after being cooped up all day .
I had 2 Shih-Tzus.....Bindi & Chloe....10 & 6. I always took Chloe out with me when I went to get my clothes in the dryer or get the mail because she was a bit of a bully and Bindi was submissive ....because it was raining like crazy I said I would be right back ...as soon as I opened up the garage door , I heard a scream and ran right back into the house and Bindi was laying there with her throat ripped open and Chloe was under the kitchen table staring like nobody was home in her head. Bindi was laying on my lap as I drove her to the Vet.....she died while they were trying to save her. When I got home , I called my daughter and told her to come pick up Chloe and take her back where she worked and have then put her down, she worked at a different vet....that was the end of her, My mistake caused my Bindi to die...its been 5 yrs.and I still can't get over the loss of such a sweet and gentle girl.
My heart goes out to you and the your dog
I had a Stafordshire pit bull many years. She was the most intelligent dog I’ve ever had! And when my son took her, bcuz I moved into a mobile home park and she was too large for what they allowed. My son later moved & she was such a sweet dog, he had to choose between 5 families who wanted her. She was so loving. Although I was very strict with her bcuz of her breed!
Crating is essential for the strong breeds. My Dobie girl and Jack Russell sleep in the same crate at night. However if I am out of the house I crate Jack Russell by itself and separate them, because I know my Jack Russell male is a trouble maker and doesn't mind rough play. I want to supervise their rough play all the time.
Yes, I have only one dog and it’s a Rat Terrier who is spoiled rotten and loves to play but when I take her to the vet, I have to call ahead from my car to let them know my dog is here for her appointment. I tried one time taking her in with other dogs and she was starting all kinds of mess with pit bulls and every other dog. She does okay with small dogs but goes after big dogs. My dog goes on a walk every day with me holding tightly to her leash. Even thou I know my dog is very lovable, I take no chances for her own safety and others.
Why would you put them both in the same crate at night? I mean then there is clearly no reason for them to be in a crate!
@@hayleybonnell8837 They like to sleep in the crate. My dobie girl slept on sofa when I got my Jack Russell puppy, but she prefer crate.
Pits doing what they were bred to do.
Having power breeds roaming around unattended is not a good idea. Pits usually wont start a fight, but they will finish it.
@@jackielehman8945 Absolutely not true. Pits 100% will start a fight.
@@jackielehman8945 you’re dumb
@@MadDog_Rules yes they will! I’ve had several, but never again. The one that changed everything I thought was one that was raised in a wonderful life and one day, a switch flipped and he attacked my Boston terrier. Nothing bad happened bc I was right there and was stupid enough to think he was provoked. It happened again, I put the dog down. I switched back to GSD’s and will always know in my heart how these dogs (Pits) can flip a switch, in the blink of an eye. I still have my beloved Boston, he will be 12 this year. My GSD treats him with the utmost respect. I’m 59 and have had a pack of dogs my whole life (live on 17 acres, home all day, great place for a dog) and until I saw it myself, with a pit I raised (have had several, btw) I would never have believed it. Very scary when it happens! 🥹 they are ALL pack animals! Some just more dangerous. 💜
@@LettiesLife Super annoys me when people say pits don't start fights. Or that they're a trainer and have trained aggressive pits, to no longer be aggressive. There's no such thing. All they do is manage the dog's aggression. But that will only work with someone the dog respects and even then, you turn your back on them and it's fight on. Are there pits who are not like this, yes of course, but they're in the minority.
20 years ago I had a Doberman, Pitbull, and crazy boyfriend trying to compensate with “tough dogs” the Doberman and pitbull initially got along great and cuddled together… until they didn’t. One day they decided they didn’t like each other anymore. Their fights were BRUTAL.
One of the main question I would ask where these dogs fixed? Without being fixed it causes aggression.
The owners are obviously morons. Leaving the dogs unattended and accessible to other dogs is animal cruelty and supreme ignorance.
Leaving dogs with other dogs is animal cruelty?? Gee, better go update your loval Animal Control because I garuntee you no one else considers that animal cruelty....
Owners ignored lots of warning signs and clearly don't understand the dynamics of the breed they have nor the dynamics of a mother/offspring living together but leaving their dogs together is not "animal cruelty". Calm down.
Yep. Collective IQ's equivalent to a mild spring breeze. 🤦♂
@@thepersonaljo
Yes, leaving dogs unattended to engage in dangerous conflict is animal abuse. If you think otherwise, I seriously hope you don't own any dogs.
@@thepersonaljo unfortunately, in this particular case, there was severe animal cruelty and imho it was stupid, unfair and cruel to keep 4 in-house dogs outside alone for a weekend while the owners were gone. That gave a big clue about their dog management skills. It’s really easy to fall into complacency about multiple dogs being together (we have 6) though I agree with you these people ignored signs of potential danger. This story is so awful it’s easy for viewers to feel really riled up and make generalizations.
They are probably regretful of their actions but to say it was willful neglect is somewhat misleading. They did what at the time felt was right, even if they assumed wrong unfortunately it's not all black n white.
Absolutely agree with everything you said...it always amazes me that people think mother and son or Any parent offspring dogs behave the same as humans..they don't the have pack behaviour and that's that
I agree with you hundred percent !!!!!
Since reading this, I picked up a thought. A remarkable trainer mentioned that any time a dog is triggered to thinking something else is PREY, they can attack and kill. So the dogs might have been normally o.k., but something triggered excitement and the PREY reflex kicked-in. So, in part a lack of levels of training, but dogs that are working dogs, needing a lot of exercise and needing strong social training, you can't necessarily ever take your eyes off them. So caging or separating when not under direct human (trained) supervision is vital... Being at risk includes kids,adults, dogs, cats and going out on walks, to dog parks, etc.
Decades ago my hs friend, normally a cat person, was persuaded in rescuing a sweet Pit Bull (a little known breed at the time). She fell in love w the dog & he was beyond sweet & nuzzled w her kitties! She posted loving pics of him & everything. One Sunday afternoon she went shopping as usual but immediately ran into friends. She visited w the friends who's grandbaby was in town for only a couple more hours. She then went shopping. When she came home (late) her house was destroyed. Stuff was broken, knocked over, ...even the slider glass was cracked. Fur & blood were everywhere. Every single cat was dead- however, not eaten. I cannot even talk about what that dog did to her cats. My friend took out her gun (her abusive ex ironically made her buy), & shot the dog as it was wagging his tail at her. It broke her heart. This breed has been a problem since the 1980s at least!! This breed needs to be banned! It is not unconstitutional to outlaw a breed. Do it already! PLEASE!
Effing sick. They are freaking terriers. People are so disgusting.
@@amyanderson6684 bred to kill bulls....killing is their dna
I have a sweet pit and fuck banning them. Its how they are raised. Not the dog.
Yes problem started in 80 s, mixing pits, with large breeds like mastiffs, & today what u got are not pure bred APBT, ( & that breed was made back in 1800s. from original Eng Pitb , bulldogs & Staffies) most these dogs that are called pitbulls are mixes APBT, AmStaff, Staffies, & who knows what . Fla has banned backyd breeding of these mixed mutts !!
The breed has been doing this since... the 1500's.
What has changed?
IGNORANT PEOPLE.
Screw your call for a ban. Ban stupid people instead and the world will get more than a little bit nicer.
Given that they bred the female pit my biggest question is, which if any of these dogs were spayed or neutered? If either or both the male pit or the boxer were intact, game over.
Exactly I knew a unspayed lab that had killed a unspayed APBT they will fight to the death
You can't train out what has been bred in.
That's not what pits were bred for.
Well said. Couldn't agree more
I grew up with pitbulls and now have a bulldog. It isn't the breed it's the OWNERS 100%.
In my “opinion” the owner was lucky to not be home. When that kind of Bully frenzy kicks off. All bets are off. Look at the statistics and video evidence on social media. They could easily have been added to the human statistics as another fatality.
You are aware that when dog fights/matches happen there are three people in the ring with the dogs, right?
The pit wall is 24” high.
There are many spectators there.
If the dog bites the handler, the opposing handler or the ref it’s disqualified.
Manbiters are routinely culled.
@@WDLC1911 oh dear. I didn’t expect to get a reply from someone taking the comment literally. Even if fighting dogs was remotely legal. I would not only have no interest. I would be at the forefront of efforts to ban it. People intervening in domestic dog fights and in parks etc often get badly bitten. As very few would have any idea how to stop the incident quickly or successfully.
@@DogTrainingBulledandSon
Then you are not really in your element speaking about Pit Bulldogs.
I am keenly interested in their past, conditioning, rules of matching then, etc., because it’s part of the dog. I have a much more complete understanding of them and how they *TEND* to behave.
Same with all of the Mastiff Family. That family of dogs have gone thru Hell.
@@WDLC1911 😵💫
@@DogTrainingBulledandSon
Back at you. You want to understand or not?
Apparently, it’s not the breed for you.
Stay with the myths.
This is what crates are for, to avoid exactly this. These people shouldn't have 3 big dogs
It would absolutely unacceptable to hand these dogs to anyone else.
Minnesota here. 30 years ago, reported on our news, a family’s Husky killed their baby.
20 years later another family’s Husky killed their toddler.
The problem is lot of people out there will keep repeating it's all about training and the owner. Fact is that pits were bred for years to be human friendly, but aggressive towards dogs. Ofc, some bull mixes and pits might show no signs of aggressive behaviour, but this is something the owner always has to predict. Like this lady said, there was no prior incident.
They will target any weakness in its pack. Unfortunately for the boxer, it was at the bottom. If either of the owners had been there, they would have ended up the same way as the boxer.
There were prior incidents just not on the same level.
@@MadDog_Rules, false.
Dog Aggression and Human Aggression are not synonymous with the Pit Bull.
@@WDLC1911 Pits attack humans, the data doesn't lie. Data collected over the past 15 years, showed 346 out of 531 deaths, were from pit bull attacks. Jack Terriers are actually more aggressive, but the big big difference is, they're too small to inflict any real damage. Great Ted Talk. 👍
It sounds like the young pit has matured,he’s at the age where he’s feeling himself plus who’s to say the female wasn’t coming into heat? If both male dogs had their bits then this is the scenario you’d be left with unfortunately.
Pitbulls cannot be trained out of dog aggression. They were born to not like other dogs. That’s why we made them and that’s how they will always be. I won’t apologize for the truth. I feel sorry for this boxer and for this family
Oh yes they can. I'm a dog trainer and I do it daily. I take a pack of dogs off-leash on a three-hour long hike with dogs, kids, bikers, joggers, puppies, dog haters, coyotes, deer, fisher cats, etc. I work with all types of breeds, sizes, and attitudes so I'm built for looking for any signs of challenging and I will pin any dog in an instant to avoid it. A real alpha is a parent and nothing more and they pin their pups even when they are fully grown if they dare challenge their parents. Study the wolves since dogs are domesticated wolves and still need a real leader in their life. Real parent wolves do not let their siblings challenge each other without being challenged by the alpha themselves. I've worked with very aggressive Pits, Dobies, Akitas, etc... they are all trainable and most people are not training their dogs properly. They even admitted here that they were "indoor dogs". No dog is an "indoor dog". Humans created this absolute mess, so humans must deal with it. Blaming the breed is an excuse for not taking responsibility for raising your dog properly, much like what we must do with our human children but who's gonna admit when they screwed up raising a kid? Not many! Therefore, most humans simply do not have any clue about dogs and suffer the consequences by having a domesticated wolf living in a DEN for most of its life, which is as unnatural is it gets. P.S. Wanna know the real truth? The real truth is that the smaller dogs are the absolute worst and most dangerous when they are bad because your wonderful humans let them get away with that behavior of attacking people or dogs because the dogs are so small. All it takes is one little dog to be an alpha and lead another few dogs around to start a fight and I've seen it many times. We can discuss this all day long as I'm packed with stories about how dumb humans are, how most aren't prepared to have a dog, and how most simply argue that a dog is not a domesticated wolf and is some other kind of creature "evolved" from wolves. If I could write a test that people would have to pass in order to get a dog or a have a kid, most people would fail.
@@asanseil5553 thats more managing than training..you are there to controll the situation. But even that can go wrong fast if a fight starts before you can adress it and others hey into it and you are alone. The fact that you haven't had any major incidents doesn't mean it can't happen. But the dogs will still have this in them and and can't be left alone together without someone there to supervise and control = they are not trained out of dog aggression.
@@asanseil5553 You can't train out genetics, and as a dog trainer, your methods are old school. The "Alpha" dog training method and pinning dogs is old school, and isn't necessary, also if you were to try and pin my male Belgian Malinois you'd get bit and it would be your own fault. Also Alpha male wolves drive off males that hit sexual maturity and don't allow them to stay in the pack.
pit bulls were bred to be animal aggressive, with a high prey drive to be used for bull baiting, dog fighting and are still used for dog fighting and also boar hunting in the south. Most people don't buy bully breeds from reputable breeders, thus having unknown genetics bred constantly and sold for $200-500 online. If you think you can untrain a border collie to not herd, train a Belgian Malinois to not want to bite, or a pit bull breed to not be animal aggressive, then you need to go back and learn about breed genetics and drives.
Respectfully have to say False … I’ve had trained plenty of pitbulls to get there CGC’s , lived full life’s with kids and dogs , never one single bite or issue…
I will give you that Once a dog has become a biter that yes you’ll always battle that underlying issue and hopefully with enough knowledge and skills you can manage it..
Pitbulls or any large breed is a risk my friend.
Unfortunately people like feeling “protected” by there dog… so they go out get a dog with the biggest block head , and have zero experience or skills with dogs and think 2 meals and going in the backyard is enough..
I’ve been training dogs for years and I’ve been around some aggressive ass dogs , all shapes ages and sizes..
Pitbulls from a reputable breeder , are not born aggressive ..
Pitbulls from breeders in or from the culture of dog fighting and protection , sure.
**I say this because I do feel for people, these dogs can be SCARY!
But ignorance from both sides is even scarier 😂
God bless have a great day
@@ShieldMaiden452 I don't care about breeds and never have. I never will. I see them all as wolves so I couldn't care what breed they are as the breed is only the specialty of the wolf. Whether it's fighting, herding, running fast, jumping high, chasing prey, etc, it doesn't matter to me. They are all fully capable of being trained if you're a real trainer and have a clue about what you're doing when they are puppies. If they are older or rescues who are aggressive, they get muzzled and I use a prong collar or e-collar. All of my puppies, adolescents, and adults get pinned when they show aggression or fight because I'm mimicking the behavior of their dog/wolf parents and nothing more. You can call it old school all you like since you love to keep listing to other lost humans about this topic, but try to tell that to a mother or father dog or wolf! I use the ways of the wolves to train them all and it never fails. I seek out aggressive behavior to nip it in the bud. I do this with every breed, every age, every situation. Sure, you have to be more sensitive than others due to some of their histories, but in the end, they ALL assimilate to the pack, regardless of breed, age, size, shape, history, and attitude. I've done it too many times to count. None of the dogs are mine and I take the rules of the wolves as serious as it gets. 99.9% of the time we are exploring off leash and everyone's been over-sensitized to every type of situation there is at a park/state park/conservation land. I train them to not chase deer, to not chase and kill, I've grabbed pit bulls by their heads when they catch prey and have made them drop it. I allow hunting in certain areas but not in others. Dogs are to be useful and when you're in a park like we hit daily, it is critical that none of them show aggression at all in any way whatsoever. I use e-collars, pinch collars, and prong collars when I need. Remember, parent wolves and dogs do not need any e-collar or any tool to train their pups, especially the more dominant ones who may have learned to be dominant at the nipple. I've seen too many times where someone's got a dominant dog and they're not correcting him/her. Because of my mighty wolf rules, we get to explore 99.9% of the time off-leash, they get almost complete freedom to be themselves, and you can bet if I needed to train them to hunt and kill larger game, I would in about a day. I pack them up so I can study them as domesticated wolves, not dog breeds. I'm a pack trainer and when you have so many dogs, breeds become moot as they all speak the same language. Dogs are serious business and most people simply have no clue. That's really not my problem or my job to fix this broken mess. Keep thinking a dog is a breed and you will fail every time. Is this why I'm always the 3rd or 4th trainer at someone's house? It's so sad I can't even make videos about it yet.
And when it comes to wolves, watch any wolf documentary and you will see that many wolves stay in the pack for life and are happy to be subordinates. Not all of them are driven out by the "alpha". And remember the "alphas" are ALWAYS the parents! Are your children going to be the alphas in your family? NO. The parents are top dogs, and the grandparents are even higher. Grandparents do not take sh8t from grandchildren. This is nature. My oldest dogs have seniority over the younger ones due to experience. Many younger wolves can be more powerful than the alpha and up front on a hunt but they still have to wait for the older more experienced wolves to come from behind and make the death kill. This has been documented many times. Just because a younger wolf or dog is powerful does not immediately get him respect in the wild. People screw this up all day long in our world. Most humans get pits and other powerful breeds to show off or use as guard dogs so they are not training them as they should nor are they socializing them. And with the story above, you certainly don't keep four dogs in a house all day long no matter what breed! Trapping wolves is bad enough, no need to trap dogs in your house for life.
I totally agree with your no nonsense approach on giving advice. I read that dogs have a 99% wolf instinct, since all domesticated dogs are wolf descendants. Dogs will be dogs when left unsupervised. Sometimes they even misbehave even with the owner around.
Well put. Thank you. I had wrestled on the floor & been with two dogs many times…once I came over & the mother was upstairs. The other one lowered her head , hackles up and just stared . I lowered my voice, called for the mother (who never came) and when this dog charged me I grabbed a throw pillow from the sofa, the dog went for my thigh, & stayed locked in for about 1.5 hrs. Most terrifying thing ever.
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About 10 years ago, 2 of my dogs (both Bull breed mutts) got into a fight. I was able to separate them, but was bit by one of them in the process. The one that bit me showed further aggression both towards myself and the rest of the pack. I took him to the shelter and they put him down after he failed his Evals 🤷♀️ it was peaceful in the house once he was gone. But, I learned my lesson after that incident, and am a huge fan of crating dogs when not supervised. I now have a Pit Bull/American Bulldog mix, 4 chihuahua mixes, and one 10 week old puppy. Everyone is crated when not supervised. Crating would've saved this Boxer's life.
American Bulldogs are great
It's 100% how they are living with their dogs! Well said!!
Twist. The Jack Russell killed the Boxer,
I had to make a tough, but necessary decision to put a dog down after it showed aggression over a bone i tried to take away as a puppy, then snapped at my pregnant daughter and then my granddaughter too at dog age 1.. It was a black lab someone threw out and just dumped. There were family members mad at me for putting him down instead of trying to rehome. I was petrified the dog would end up biting another child, plus the fact so many non aggressive dogs are put down every day. I feel like I did the right thing, and the veterinarian agreed.
Disgusting humans who know not to leave them together while they are away🤬
Yes, and disgusting pit bull apologists.
The breed of peace...
Seriously? You're ignoring all the other videos of other breeds attacking and killing on this page?? Recently 8 dogs turned on their dog walker and mauled her to death and attacked anyone who tried to help her, the breeds were Leonberger, Border Collie, German Shepherd, Cockapoo, 2 Dachshunds (Weenie dogs), and 2 small dogs. And 2 off leash German Shepherds killed a small poodle that was being walked by its owner.
That why you crate your dogs when your not home
What to do in the event of a dog attack:
If two dogs are squabbling a sudden loud noise can interrupt them. If one is advancing on another, throwing a blanket or jacket over their head can prevent them from continuing the attack(because they lose sight of their victim) and can also help you remove them without them seeing you and redirecting.
I would advise against physical involvement such as pepper spraying or hitting because the dog may A. not feel it if they are intensely engaged, or B. the dog may only be warning you or another dog away and have no intention of exacerbating involvement. If you harm this dog they will receive YOU as the attacker and feel the need to defend themself! Even if the dog had thoughts of fighting from the beginning, a lower-intensity approach could have called the attack off, while physical involvement could make the dog blow over.
If a dog latches onto another animal or person, the best way to remove them is to choke them out. If the dog is not wearing a collar a lease, belt, purse strap, etc. will work. If you can get something around the dog's neck place it just behind the ears, lift up and twist. This suppresses blood flow to the brain, so the dog will either open its mouth to get air or pass out. Once the mission is accomplished, release before the dog dies (a dog that is this intense of a fighter may well be put down, but who wants to be the one to kill a dog?)
If a dog is displacing aggression towards you, stand still, (but not stiff) fold your arms, and look away. This communicates that your intentions are peaceful. If you are attacked, drop to the ground and lay still, becoming entirely non-threatening. Eventually, the dog will walk away, at which point you may begin to slowly crawl away. Some people think they can fight a dog off and you're welcome to go for it, but your better off not trying to assert your dominance.
I would like to add that until you spend years living with, interacting with, and researching the science, origin, and nature of any animal, please don't judge it. Chihuahuas have killed infants and Pitbulls have saved infants. If you don't want a Pitbull that's okay, if you don't like Pitbulls, that's okay, if you judge someone else for owning a Pitbull, that's not okay. 1 million Pitbull type dogs are killed in shelters in the U.S. every year. These are not dogs that have attacked anyone. These are not dogs with bite histories. They are puppies, they are well-mannered dogs that love kids and other dogs, and they are dogs who are best friends with a cat. They are innocent victims of uneducated people who heard something on the news. Tragically some people died at the hand of a Pitbull, but even so, every word I've written here marks one more dog that will die without ever getting to play fetch with its human, because it will never have one. Millions of dogs will never sleep in a fuzzy bed, but on an old blanket on a concrete floor, because no one will take it home. Dogs have and continue to die by the hundreds every day simply because they were born with the appearance and title of Pitbull. End racism, hate, and BSL.
I hear news every day about pit bulls attacking and killing people. This would be a horrific death. All these comments about bad owners don't really matter when a dog or groups of dogs kill someone. If the dog was a smaller weaker dog a human would stand a better chance. You can't argue with that. .pits are muscular strong dogs with huge strong mouths. Why risk it? Do you really love the breed that much? Just stop producing them. I had two dogs I got from a friend who rescued their mother. Supposed to be half lab and half German shepherd. I wanted big dogs because my house was in an iffy location. The yard was fenced. They certainly fid their job because no one came in my yard. But when the male got older he got out of the yard. I did everything I could think of but could not keep him in. I moved. Still couldn't keep him in. He killed anything in his territory except my cats and my jack Russell puppy. He seemed to know what belonged to me. After he almost killed a neighbor dog I had to get.rid of him. My vet found him another home because I just couldn't kill him. On a big farm I think. He was a very big dog and brindle in color. Everyone said he had pit in him because of his behavior. I just couldn't risk going to jail because he killed a person. Of course, he was very good and protective to me.
My friend's roomate had a pitbull who was sweet as could be for many, many years. My friend eventually moved, however a few years later inquired about the dog. The roomate hemmed and hawed & avoided talking about the dog & the cats & big shepherd that remained. He ignored all the requests until I sent several scathing emails to him. He told me what happened & why he was avoiding the calls & texts. The senior Pitt (by then) had taken out the big shepherd w the bad hip, & 2 of the 3 cats. The smallest cat had survived by shimmying up a curtain & sitting on top of the rod & finial. The heavy tall bureau was knocked over, computer chair on its side, the other curtains & rods were all down, one of bedroom window panes broken, etc...He had buried them all out back including my friend's favorite sweet Pitt who would never hurt a fly. I just ended up saying...well he is just an addhole...just write him off.