Basement wood shop tour 2023
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2023
- You asked about the basement woodshop, so here is a tour of the shop as it is today. But I have some big plans and significant changes to this little shop space. We'll look at that in an upcoming video.
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Blacksmithing and related activities can be hazardous. These videos are not a substitute for competent professional instruction. Your safety is your sole responsibility. Always use appropriate safety equipment including eye and ear protection when working in the shop. Follow manufactures safety guidelines for the use of all equipment. In the event something shown in one of these videos seems unsafe, it is up to you to make the appropriate changes to protect yourself.t yourself. - Навчання та стиль
I love the fact that you are committed to your hobbies. Thank you for the tour.
i can smell that wood shop from here
I love everything crafty. I have no problem with the addition of woodworking videos or anything else. Thanks for sharing the journey.
Lovely bunch of tools you have down there! Great tour
Thank you. It is always nice to have a friend stop by for a visit.
My favorite video you've ever made and I like a lot of your videos.
I believe that UA-cam is a modern, less impressive version of the library at Alexandria.
It would be an absolute waste for everyone if you didn't document all of your experiences and skills.
It looks like you have MUCH more valuable experience and information than you've shared thus far and, like that famous library, it would be tragic if it wasn't preserved.
Thanks again for all the valuable information you've shared thus far.
Another benefit I see of including us in what you're doing with your shop and how you're arranging things will give someone an idea that maybe they didn't think about for their small shop setup. Thanks for all you do and including us. Take care John.
Woodworking, blacksmithing, leather work and copper planishing, funny how alot of us are drawn to the same things lol
I am enjoying the variety of content you are providing on your channel!
Glad to hear it!
I second that
I love the crafts, whether they be blacksmithing or woodworking. Hell I'd even watch you do some leather working if you had a project in mind. Thanks as always John!
Thanks John - I loved the token reference to the loom for your wife to smooth out the road ahead - I think she bought it 😅
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My wife was admiring your clamp rack in an earlier video.
I do enjoy the hand tool environment - it removes the production type atmosphere and I think it allows projects to achieve acceptance by inspection rather than task completion.
Best rule for buying a jointer is to buy the longest, widest you can afford and have the space for. Sure is nice to be able to flatten a 10" board before taking it to thickness!!!
I was a professional contractor, power tool only, until I retired 6 years ago. Since then, I have transitioned to using mostly hand tools, although I do still have all of my power tools. From my own experience, you will never be happy with a bench top jointer. If you can make the room, then a full-size jointer on casters is the way to go. If you can't make the room or find a jointer that fits your budget, then I would suggest sticking with the hand planes. With practice, you will find that you are able to joint a board in not much more time than it takes to set up and use the power tools. If you are working on a larger piece of lumber that is really rough or twisted, consider using a small hand held power planer (these look like a belt sander) to get things close, and then finish up with the hand planes. The same holds true for the opposite face if you are only doing one or two small boards. For projects using a larger number of pieces that all need to be the same thickness, such as your face frames, then a thickness planer is the way to go. Sorry for the long post, but hopefully, you will find this helpful.
I would love to see more. Keep being you John. Can't wait to see more updates an projects and many more videos soon sir. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Forge On. Fab On. Weld On. Keep forge lit. Keep Making. God bless.
Thanks, will do!
I love that you started doing all sorts of different videos John. They're so interesting to watch! Keep it up, best regards
Glad you like them!
thanks ol boy. there looks like a motivation speaker in there
Love woodworking as well as blacksmithing; so bring on the video if you will! As for the router set up … I too am looking to establish the same and feel that if one could justify the free standing … go for it!
Hi John. Due to the mobile, on site nature of my work, l have gravitated to using primarily benchtop tools. I use a 6 inch benchtop jointer that l've had for about ten years, now. I simply use infeed and outfeed roller stands to handle the longer material. I do mean longer, by the way. I have to plane handrail blanks that are often 12 to 14 feet long. You just have to make sure the outfeed is lined up properly. Compared to the big 6 and 8 foot long jointers l've worked with in big shops, meh... Jointing is a pain in the a#@ either way. Having sharp blades makes all the difference. Similarily, l built a drop in stand for my benchtop tablesaw (DeWalt 745). That has allowed me to build kitchens. That might be an option for you as well. I guess when space is a premium you're forced to find other ways to work. Cheers.
What I was going to suggest.
While I have not used a bench top jointer I have used mobile tablesaws to great success. With enough outfeed support either tool can be incredibly useful and despite not being as nice as a larger unit, the benefits of being able to take them in and out of storage for a small shop, outside for projects around the property, or on the road for jobs. (Like finishing a log cabin?) are a huge up side and perhaps worth the trade off of the accuracy speed of large units.
Nice tour of shop.i can spend full day there. Always excited to see so many beautiful tools
Thanks 👍
When I finally kick the bucket and St Peter opens the pearly gates they will lead straight into a shop like this one, beautiful thanks for sharing.
I would love to see more woodworking... its something easier for the populist to get into. Still love the blacksmithing don't get me wrong.
Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to upcoming excitement in the basement and other shops you have. Wood and iron are a great pair in so many ways.
You and me both!
I believe the wood projects addition to your channel is a smart move. A little variety is always a good thing.
I also agree that the small jointer is not the way to go and, many would argues that you don't need one at all but, if you're getting one, buy one that will do the work you intend to do efficiently.
Thanks for the tips!
Nice shop. Small but functional. I like it. A table saw would be nice. Don't think you need a jointer. Hand tools can do that job quite well. A planer would speed things up if you were working with larger material. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂
John, I like the idea of integrating some woodworking as related to the blacksmithing work. Many forged tools aren't complete without a wooden handle, and seeing them put to work if they're woodworking tools is nice. Seeing forged hardware installed on doors or windows gives more context than ending at the anvil. Having installation videos might be really useful for customers.
Regarding storage, that alcove to the right of the woodstove cries out as a space for small boards/handle materials to live... you could "organize it" on cold mornings quite easily! Those long boards in the alcove could live on a shallow lumber rack on the stairway wall, next to the rolling rack, all more or less in one place. Finally, a doormat at the office door really helps.
Great timing on this video - my son and I just started planning on how to convert a garage attic into a small work space. It was good to see some of your tools and we'd like to hear more about how your benches are constructed.
Glad it was helpful!
Well done. I loved this video. I'd really like to see more of your woodworking processes if you have time to make the videos.
When you need the big power tools for the infrequent large jobs, you may find it easier to rent time in someone else’s shop. If you find yourself doing that two-three times a year for a specific tool, that’s a sign you need to buy that tool. Cabinet doors with handmade hardware would be nice.
Love your stuff. I tend to procrastinate on stuff so I have a lot of tools and projects to get done but just never get around to them either. Drives my wife crazy!
You and me both!
My wife is already crazy ( not my fault, honestly, she even admits she was like that before we met) but my tool and hobby project obsession makes her even more upset than her basic state. I am truly sorry that my own mental state makes hers worse, but I just cannot give it up. I'm an addict who sometimes creates useful objects with the tools and materials that my mental state drives me to purchase. My wife has put up with that for 23 years now. I hope she puts up with it for a few more years.
Great trip through your basement woodshop John. You know how to work on a tool that is some help untill you can get the tool you really want, sort of like the drill press you shared with us. You could make a setup for a benchtop on that work bench in the basement that is long and sturdy so you would have the distance you need to run thw borads that you need to use. The biggest problem with those smaller units is stability of the setup and the length of the cut being made without pausing the board going over the planer. I think you would be able to work with one of the unit's you can catch on sale at a Big Box Store or even the Grizzly on their sale days. Good luck with your tool gathering for the basement. Stay safe and keep up the good videos. Fred.
Love your videos John. Make another channel just about your woodworking with maybe some crossovers. Sure people would love that. Keep safe.
I had been putting that type pf content on another channel, people didn't watch both channels.
Ahh the good Ole disaster corner😂😂 I think most shops have them.
Looking forward to seeing you at handwork John.
No opinions on the joiner John, it's not something I've ever done, best of luck bro I'll happily watch you have a go 👍🏻 🍻 love your sash clamp corner,,, that's an awesome set. Stay safe team 👍🏻
John, Thanks for the tour, so glad I'm not the only guy that seems to take a long time to get a round toit, (those things are rare).
I also firmly believe that if you are going to make or repair tools with handles you should be able to make at least some of them, at least those that need special designs, lengths, sizes and such. I have a brother that can make fantastic handles for anything, i just let him know what I'm wanting and he has never disappointed me.
As far as the benchtop jointer/planer, if you're going to use it with large pieces of wood my suggestion would be to have a niche in a workbench that can handle it, infeed and outfeed so it's the same level and can help stabilize the workpiece, preferably make it so that you can change it out with other benchtop tools.
Anyway, I've rambled on long enough, great video as always, loving the diversity, keep up the great work.
John V.
Great, honest video, it's nice to see the hybrid wood & metal workers talk about this in honest terms, my shop is similar, and I have many 'projects' that have yet to see the first cut, (metal & wood). IMOHO, yes, you will be happier with a larger planer, as opposed to a bench-top style, I have one that is about mid-range, and am very happy with it.
as a woodworker, I'd have to agree with the majority on the benchtop jointer. This is solely based on the projects you mentioned in this video. Now, depending on your long term goals, you could probably work your way through the bigger projects using one. 731 Woodworks has a great video on the Wahuda brand one he has. That being said, if you're willing to invest in it, a great space-saving option would be getting a jointer planer combo. That's what I eventually want to get for my shop unless I find a way to expand it. Anyway, another great video! I love seeing these ones in the woodworking shop too! Can't wait to see how your shop here evolves!
Thanks for sharing your wood shop John! I have a small wood shop also and have gotten into blacksmithing 🙏🏼
I am doing Woodworking an the Paul Sellers approach. So the only big machine i use is a Big Bandsaw mostly For resawing. This bandsaw has sped up my woodworking significantly: There is always just one face of the Board that needs to be trued up. The other side gets resawn ans then only a few strokes with the smoother this in addition with just „getting better“ in my the use of handtools turns out to be fast enough for me. As you dont have a useful bandsaw i would consider this approach, because with getting a Power planer you are giving up a lot of What handtool woodworking give you; to name of the most important: a decent workout while trueing up which is quite important becoming older. Btw here in Germany we still use a lot of wooden planes. Espacially a lightweight scrup Plane makes trueing an very enjoyable. I would not give that up for 100 power planers. Enjoy the process ;-)
John, I applaud your stepping up your woodworking. As for the joiner....I recommend doing as the sports teams say..."Go Big or Go Home!". I think you would grow disenchanted with the bench top models. With a larger joiner, you can still do the smaller projects, but with a small model, you're pretty well restricted from properly working on the larger things. Just a seed for thought to plant with you.
Thanks for the tips!
I really love your wood working room! I will absolutely install a small woodburner myself. So smart for the cold winter days!
I want my house to look like this guys
If your plan is jointing long stock, get the longest bed jointer your budget allows, minimum of 72". Also, a bench top jointer doesn't have the mass to handle the heavy timbers you describe.
John, great tour. Thanks. As for the jointer - I'd get the big one. I don't have unlimited space, but everything is on wheels (apart from the anvil) and I just wheel out whatever I need. Even my big bench is on wheels. I used to have the exact same space problem, but wheels are the key!
I have used a benchtop jointer (Delta) in my shop for 15 years and have put some big things through it - not fun and had to ask the wife to help a few times. I wish it had helical cutters but changing the blades is not a big hassle so have never changed over. I do wish that I had gotten a stand-alone model like the Grizzle many a time but never pulled the trigger.
Thanks for the input
I feel your pain, John! Years ago, we had a larger house, which gave me room for large stationary power tools. Long sad story short, we live in a smaller place and I no longer have those big tools…including my table saw. A couple years ago, though, I bought a Rigid collapsible contractors table saw. I love this saw…it does almost everything I used to do on the large saw and it very quickly folds up and rolls away in a small space. I highly recommend it, or others like it.
Thanks for sharing
bench top jointer opinion.
last winter a friend of mine decided they would move out of their big house, kids are all gone etc. So he had quite a nice shop and he had to prune it down some. One of the things i got was a table top jointer and old 4 1/8", 5/8 HP sears craftsman to be specific. The bed length is a fat 23" i think and the fence, is a 16 ga sheet with 2 cast iron "protractors" attached that are well made. surprisingly the fence is sturdy as well. anyway i got a pile of stuff i didn't want or need but he had to get out of the house by the end of the week, (they are currently living on his sailboat with his lathes and stuff in storage) he said he was gonna throw this stuff away if i didn't take it, he knew i would take it then!
well, i have a nice large jointer already so i took it into the machine shop i run at a research facility. the main purpose being to joint the edges of acrylics and similar plastics to remove any saw cut finish. Which is does very well. however since it is there and by a saw it ends up getting used for any boards that gets near it. and it does very well. the longest i have had to joint is 8 or maybe 10" 2bys, and some maybe 6' 3/4" oak. I had no prob with it and i am actually surprised how well it cuts and doesn't slow down. mind you i am not hoggin the cut, but it is quite heavier than light. I was very surprised at it's performance. Would i replace my big jointer at home. nope, but if i decide to retire again, i will probably take it home and use it somewhere. it is small, i screwed it to a file cabinet and put some cut off bar stock in the bottom drawer, so the unit has to be moved with a hand truck. i can tuck it out of the way quick if needed. i thought it was a bit of a toy, it's not. and it takes an adaquate cut with nice finish as well. so it does have it's place. (i haven't the nerve to try running some alum thru it, but if i slowed the speed i bet it would work. why i would want to though is beyond me)
My blacksmithing is 90% in support of woodworking. Second smithing project was a very crude adze long before Internet shopping. Farriers taught me to forge weld and the various hewing axes and a bunch of different adzes. A couple slicks I really wish you'd been around to talk me through.
Hello John
I have a woodshop from my grandfather .
He build Waggons and wood weels and all the other things Windows stairs and ladders.
But it is not ever so organized as your Shop.
Thank you for the Video
Yours Frank Galetzka
I'm hand tool only when the journey is part of the goal, but I will use a few power tools when it's all about finishing something to get back on a more enjoyable project. I don't have any big power tools, though. Sawing etc. is done by hand. I just have some electric drills, a few air tools, and a drill press. Well, and an angle grinder, but I don't use that for woodworking! I also use an electric sewing machine, and my soldering iron uses electricity 😅
Love your woodworking shop!!!
Thank you!
Me too!
Like the other comment I had both the small and floor model.
It completely depends on the space and the work and use of the tool you want.
As example I had them both but did part with them. But that said as with you very large beautiful wood work bench.
If you got just a good quality table style on and basically built it into a good solid wood table that will do everything that it sounds like you want to do.
You could also inset a router at the other side and end of the table you would make for the joiner.
I now use only the electric hand plainer on a good bench.
As well as a good set of rails and a router for large stuff. Same as I just recently picked up a good table top thickness planer as space is just to tight and only so much space , time , money to build and do the small to medium sized projects that we are doing.
Hopefully this helps with some ideas.
The work bench table has most of the tools stored in or under the table so easy setup and takes up no extra space.
Love your videos and looking forward to seeing more of your projects.
God bless and enjoy
John and Cathy
Niagara Falls
Ontario Canada
Great video, can't wait to see it all setup.
Always nice to visit the wood shop, thanks for the tour.
Another excellent video sir
Love the big Roubo style bench! You nailed the issue with the benchtop jointer. We have a 6" Delta floor standing jointer in the shop, overall length is 44 or so inches and that is limiting for long 6 or more foot long boards. Especially if they are 8/4 or thicker and 6 to 10" wide, that's a lot of weight to counter balance while keeping the downward force on the outfeed table. My vote, with your dollars, is get as big of a jointer as you can fit into your workspace.
Thanks for the tips!
I always say,, If I finish everything,, you won't need me anymore! lololol
Used to have a benchtop 4" jointer when my shop was in a basement. It limited the work I was able to do. Trying to join a board that weighed more than the jointer was difficult at best. When I moved and was able to have a larger shop, I picked up a large 8" jointer, with a wheel base. I use the wheels to adjust the position of the jointer for when I have an extra long or wide board. Even though the new shop is larger, I still have to manage space.
A bench top jointer is ok for small stuff but not for bigger stuff I have both . I’ll use smaller for small stuff and bigger for larger stuff. Thank you John you are the best
Nice shop and tour John!
As a lifelong woodworkers I consider myself a machine age woodworker with the additional skills of a hand tool woodworker. When I was a carpenter 90% of the finish work on the job site was primarily hand tools, we rarely had a table saw or jointer on the job. I would avoid bench top machines, I have never had good luck with them. I tried a few because there were cheaper but they just didn't work out. My pride and joy in my Delta Great White 10" table saw with a 52" rip width. If you ever come up with a solution to the material storage for small pieces of hardwood I will see if I could make that work in my shop. Piles are not efficient as you know.
Thanks for the input. I do have an idea fora second storage rack just for the cut offs. Hopefully I can build it for a video
My shop I had 2 table saws a router table and a 14" surface planer inset and removable in my work/ assembly table. Never liked a bench top jointer. A decent sized jointer does take up a lot of room, but is worthwhile. But with a nice quality table saw and blades and experience, you can get by without a jointer. Especially if you can hand plane.
Handle material storage up between your TGIs (floor joists)?
I also had a rack above my assembly table (like a kitchen pot rack) of small clamps, paper for the orbitals, squares, and misc. things I used everyday.
I miss my wood shop.
Hello John, I have a suggestion for the clamp storage place. What you can try is to make individual upside down L shaped hinge hangers for the rows of clamps. That way you can swing the rows out to find the ones you need at the time you are looking for them. Also they will stay on the L shaped hanger as they are swung outward this making the search a little easier without worrying about clamps falling in the floor or on your feet. Being a blacksmith you can make the upside down L shaped hangers in the blacksmith shop nice video project and a productive item for your wood workshop. Thank you for the great content you create and the variety you have been posting is really nice. Thank you, Steve
Interesting idea, I may look into at some point
For the majority of edge jointing a fine cut saw blade on a tuned table saw will work just fine. For leveling out boards make a jig you can secure the longest boards you will be working with on that has it's own flat reference surface and run it through a planer. Once you have a flat surface on one side the rest is easy.
Shaving horse. That's what its called thank you. I couldn't remember what the piece of equipment was called
My wife and I recently purchased a combination jointer plainer from grizzly, as we wanted both of the tools, however in our garage work shop, we didn't have the room for both tools. It has the replaceable carbide cutters, and we are very pleased with the performance of it, and it isn't to bad to move around, I would highly recommend it to anyone. here is the P/N for the one that we purchased. G0959
Thanks for sharing, I'll check it out
John having worked in a custom cabinet shop a floor model jointer is definitely what you want. Bench tops are hard to use for the exact reasons you stated. You will kick yourself after running anything larger than a 4' 1"×4".
Good to know!
Hi John! I am looking for a joiner thicknesser for a while. Since I only have a small basement shop, about half the size of yours, and I have to move to another house in a few jears, I don't want to go for a 300+ pound machine. Unfortunately the cheap tabletop combi-machines all seem to be pretty crappy. I think, I will go for two separate machines by Shinko. Qualitywise they look good, even with helix-cutters. In Germany you get them only at Dictum. There should be a reseller in the US. If you are interested, I can give you a note, when I will have tested them in a few month. Have a nice day (I hope, my spelling didn't make your eyes bleed 😜)!
Fun tour! I like 1554, too!
Hi John,
Had an epiphany.
Anything you have, like the axe and adze handle pile, you could put it on your Etsy store.
Talk about a space maker.
Just thought about it.
Have a great day, Sir.
Maybe look for a jointer/planer combo machine to save on floor space?
Also, don't cheap out too much on a table saw. I have a complete piece of crap table saw that i almost never used because it sucks. It's also tiny and makes a mess so anything larger than a couple feet in any direction is kind of sketchy to put on it.
My comments as a hobby woodworker. I, like you, enjoy my hand tools and I use them pretty regularly on some projects. They just work better and more accurately than a spinning bit or blade. However, my shop is about the size of yours. I don't have room for a large workbench but make do with an old kitchen base cabinet with the top replaced with plywood.
That said, it would really be nice to have the long bed cast iron jointer, but my space dictated otherwise. I have a 6" bench-top jointer. I have carefully straightened 6 and 8 foot materials with it. I built a low-profile rolling stand that houses it and stores under a wing of my table saw. Same with my benchtop planer. It's a 13" planer and easily sits on top of my old craftsman tool chest. I use it there by rolling it from the wall into the center of my shop and roll it back when done. For both these tools I DO recommend requiring a helical cutter head. The sawdust from that type of cutter head is much more manageable in your dust collection system. I have not had a clog in 6 years of using both.
I have upgraded my bandsaw to a higher quality machine and haven't looked back. I can resaw 14" wide boards all day accurately. I have resawed thin enough to see light well through the cutoff. It's impressive. I also upgraded my drill press to a higher quality press. I had one very similar to yours that I used almost 40 years, and my grandson has it now. My new one is smoother, easy to adjust speeds when needed, runs much truer, easy to set drill depths, etc. Glad I finally did it. Lastly, I finally got a higher-end router table and lift. Makes all the difference in the world when changing bits, setting the rock-solid fence and dust collection combined, or just adjusting depth of cut in very small increments. It's also on wheels and rolls out of the way when not in use. As a matter of fact, everything in my shop is mobile except my table saw and drill press. I didn't mean to write an epistle, but I have become quite opinionated regarding small wood shop layout out of necessity. I abhor stepping over machines all day. Thanks.
Thank you for the insights. What brand bandsaw did you go with?
@@BlackBearForge Laguna 14/12
I sure hope he goes with the woodworking more. Very interested in that
As to jointer. It is all about size of project parts. The bench top 4" & 6" are good for smaller parts and typically lighter cuts due to smaller motors. If you are doing chairs and side tables. Good.
But if you are building 6' or longer parts...well you upgrade. I have a grizzly 8" with long beds. I can easily do larger boards. Just did 13ft maple 4/4.
One can Straighten things with the help of a router, which you already have, (two sliders and the router mounted on a beam with the workpiece fixed to the table) it doesn’t have to be rocket science, 😊
As for the ‘cheap’ bandsaw, if it has thick rubber on the wheels then that will quickly flatten the teeth on one side of the blade, one need crowning on the wheel, (so the teeth hangs in the air) or it will also not track properly. Took me a long time to figure that rubber-sabotage detail out🧐...
ShortChop saw with attachable Bridging.
Wood is a very versatile and renewable material, which has always been present in the development of civilization and promises to be totally useful in the future. Also, it brings good affective memories to everyone. Thank you very much for this presentation! Cheers!
You are correct in reference to the bench top joiner. You are better off finding a nice used 6" preferably long bed. In my experience you can find them for same cost as the bench top. Unfortunately the take up space but it is probably the one power tool that needs to not be bench top
I wish that when my high school had closed down that I had offered to buy one of the woodshop lathes. That was before I was interested in projects that needed machines like that. Nowadays I would be willing to pay good money for that, but back then I could have had one for a song. They may even have given me it for free. If I had the foresight to make a bid it would have paid me back 10 times for the effort by now. That's the benefit of hindsight, you regret the things you haven't done. I loved working on those lathes back then, they made short work of any job a student could make.
I love the work that you do...
that's a cool little woodworking shop
Thanks
Bench top jointers are fine, but for anything long you're going to want to build infeed and out feed tables.
Thank you, Nice shop. I started out hand tools only, BUT, Time is a factor, and they are slow. so now there is a mixture of power and hand tools. Just my 2 cents, a 6 inch joiner would be as small as I would get. I have a 4 inch, and It works ok, but could be better. Glad to see my little shop is not the only work in progress. Thanks again.
It would be nice to have a 10" or 12" jointer, but they are really pricey and need more power than I have. So I'm thinking 6" or 8" with the 8" versions being about 50% more expensive. I would hate to buy too small and regret the purchase a year later.
I am a hybrid woodworker and I have two suggestions for power tools. As someone who started out with hand tools (except my table saw) and has a small 12x20 shop, one I suggest getting a shop fox 6” bench top jointer. Shop fox is made by Grizzly industrial and is a wonderful tool. I have ran small parts and large on it, the key to getting longer parts flat is having rolling stands level with the in feed and out feed on the jointer. This takes care of supporting the weight of a larger workpiece. I have ran 4ft long x 1ft wide by 3” thick back leg rock maple blanks for a Maloof rocking chair and they came out perfect! And I didn’t break a sweat. Second is a dewalt table saw DWE7491RS this has all the features of a large cabinet saw unlike its smaller counterparts and I have never regretted buying it. Thank you for all you do!
Thanks for the input
I have been a carpenter for 47 years. there have been a lot of people that have asked me what size tools should I get. Simple answer is the biggest tool you can afford. I started with a 6" jointer now I have a 8" jointer and wish I had a 10". If you are serious make sure you get a helical cutter. They don't chip figured wood as much.
Thanks, those sound like the same thoughts running through my mind
Floor model would be the best
Nice shop John. The bench top jointer is like every other power tool. The big heavy ones are more stable and accurate. That being said, with anything research brands first and ask yourself what will you use it for and are you willing to give up a little accuracy/quality to achieve your goals. Ypu have some beautiful long bench planes that can do the job, albeit take more time. But Juarez make sawdust and have fun
Good Morning, Love your videos great content. I am a Woodworker /furniture makers. I enjoy your blacksmithing videos .on the question bench top jointer personally, I would stay away from it, went that route what you were talking about is true you’ll just be frustrated to the limitation of a 6 inch or 8 inch bench top jointer. I have a small shop. purchased the Hammer A31 jointer planer combo works great with a small footprint. that might be an option for you to look into.
Have a great week 😎
A bench top jointer will only safely do what you could do with a good hand plane, a good planer thicknesser would be more help to larger projects, and the thicknesser is a bonus. Look forward to seeing more of your wood workshop
As for the bench top jointer goes, I currently use a Wen 6 inch model. I am using it to true up material for a heavy frame bed and long shelves. My ONLY issue with this jointer is the aluminum bed. Otherwise I have no problem with it. I use roller head stands for runoff support when I work large sections. It IS a bit more challenging to use a bench top model, but if that's all the room you have, then that's the best choice. I would be using a floor model if I had the space for one.
I have no problem with your videos on woodworking. I like the hand tool work as it's something I do as well. A table saw is one of my most used shop tools. My advice is to continue your "overkill" method when buying one. Yes, they need room, make dust, but the versatility in different jigs is nearly never ending. Many times, blacksmithing and woodworking go hand in glove, so it's not a departure but a collaboration to see both.
A table saw is certainly something I miss having readily available.
A bench top jointer would probably do the job, but I would consider adding a catch table or roller stands to both end when working with piece that twice the length of more of the jointer.
A electric handplane works (too) fast but works as pre-fore-plane for me. True up with a proper foreplane or jack plane and end with a smoother. Looks like you only need the electric plane, a dime a dozen in the secondhand shops here. Worth a try for little money?!
I have always enjoyed your blacksmithing videos , always instructional and informative. Now your videos are a Sunday morning routine now. I look at all your videos like paying a weekly visit to an old friend.
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You are very welcome. Thank you so much for the support
Thank you for your woodshop tour, Sir.
I'm a hybrid hand/power tool guy, too. I love my traditional tools. If my body and time would let me, I would do everything with hand tools.
I came to your blacksmith channel a couple of years ago to learn how to temper edge tools, and I've followed it ever since. Keep up the good work.👍👍
John,
I really enjoyed seeing your shop! A couple of thoughts both solicited and unsolicited.
Unsolicited first, for the clamp rack, have you thought about making a rack that swivels out for each layer of clamps. Having a heavy duty pivot point hinges on the left side. I envision a series of these using round tubing/pipe offset for each layer beneath the previous one so you’d be able to quickly swing them out of the way to reach the inner layers without upsetting the outer ones. I would be happy to be more specific if you wish, so you can talk to your blacksmith friend for when he helps you :-P
As far as solicited commentary, I agree with an earlier person who posted about being portable. I haven’t had a permanent shop ever, primarily because I’ve never owned a house until recently, so soon I will be setting up a shops for both woodworking and metal work/blacksmithing.
I’ve done a bunch of work on a huge variety of carpentry projects including renovations to people’s homes, commercial spaces like bars and restaurants, wooden boats and wooden parts of boats that aren’t wooden boats. And often I’ve had to work on portable equipment and undersized equipment.
My takeaways are material support makes material handling much easier by using rollers, slides, and guides. Making sure your equipment is anchored when using it, nothing worse than thinking you can pushing something through quickly and the machine shifts at just the wrong moment.
So many are advocating getting the biggest shop jointer you can, I agree to the extent that wider (and helical) is great, but being able to move it out of the way would be fantastic.
Just my $0.02, and you’ll figure out what works for you.
-John
I’ve been eying Cutech joiner and surface planer for budget friendly helical tools.
No tool is perfect, they are all a series of compromises factoring in budget, space, precision, maintenance cost, etc. The carbide blades for the Cutech fix the maintenance cost a little.
Interesting idea on the clamp rack, thanks for the input
Like pages on a book would have been a more elegant way of saying it.
I meant to add to my original comment, there are tools I could only dream of owning, and when I’m repairing teak decks on boats, I will often send boards to a friend’s shop where he will sand them to thickness on his surface sander. This machine takes up at least 6’sq area of his shop, but it does a wonderful job of getting my materials to thickness.
It also does a wonderful job of sanding things like table tops and such.
But it isn’t worth the money for me to own a machine that I only infrequently need precision like that. Usually I can saw the teak and surface plane it close enough, it is mainly the odd shaped bits and fragile pieces I send over.
Enjoyed the walk through your woodshop! I admire true handmade wooden furniture with traditional tools. I use mostly power tools, but I do use a few hand tools on occasion. I just upgraded my jointer to the powermatic with a helical head, and it makes larger work much easier. A bench top model has limitations, but I would think it depends on how often you'd need to do larger work, compared to what you normally would use the bench top for. Thanks for another great video. 👍
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Great idea, although i wouldn't want to make a habit of drinking while working
Love the variety in your craft! I use your holdfasts all the time 🍻. Avoid a bench top jointer. The 6” helical PM and Jet are fantastic. Bed length is more important that 6” vs 8” in my experience. PM makes the longest 6” that runs on 110 power.
Awesome! Thank you!