FIRE DAMAGED Commodore Amiga A600 Ultrasonic Cleaning! 🔥 Sneak Peak at my Crystal Case from PCBWay!
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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It's finally time!
After a bit of scrupulous "saving up" to buy the professional cleaning solutions and distilled water, we get to try out ultrasonic cleaner on the fire damaged Amiga A600 motherboard that we were SHOCKED to see boot in our previous "DOES IT WORK" episode: • DOES IT WORK?: A Fire ...
Big thanks to Elaine Hu at PCBWay for sponsoring this ridiculousness. This is PART ONE of a project with PCBWay, and I've left a clue in the video as to the next thing we are doing. Be sure to watch until the end to find that hidden info.
If you have any Ultrasonic Cleaning hints let me know in the comments!
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Hey Mark. Fill the cleaner with tap water. Now grab some large zip-lock bags and drop what you want to clean into them. Fill up with the cleaning solution and get rid of any trapped air as you're sealing the bags. This will save a fortune when cleaning but more importantly, when filling with tap water you can use hot water saving time waiting for the cleaner to warm up.
Impressed with how well it came out though!
I learned about "indirect cleaning" after this video. I really didn't even think for a moment about hot water though, so thank you!!!
Tip for next time: it's often worth spraying PCBs down with 99% IPA after an ultrasonic bath. The ultrasonic cleaning solution does lower the surface tension, but water still has a tendency to get trapped in small amounts under SMD parts. The trapped water takes a long time to dry out at ambient temperatures. While it's there it starts to leech oxygen from the air and metal salts from nearby pads/leads/vias, which can lead to hidden corrosion. It's particularly a problem on BGAs but it also happens with QFP/QFN/SOIC and larger passives. If you tilt the board and spray 99% IPA over it, straight out of the bath and while the board's still warm, it'll run down under the parts and mix with any water in there, lowering the surface tension and increasing the volatility of any trapped liquid, allowing it to evapourate away much more quickly :)
EDIT: I also echo what others have said regarding the water - it's usually fine to just use it straight from the tap instead of distilled. Most of the ultrasonic cleaning fluids contain citric acid, which is a water softening agent, so even if you're in a hard water area it'll quickly pull out the minerals and just knock down the potency of the cleaning fluid a little. Our water is super hard here so I tend to add a teaspoon of citric acid powder to the mix to offset the issue - it's _way_ cheaper than the ultrasonic fluid (about £9 on eBay for a whole kilo) so it's well worth it. It's also honestly a miracle chemical. You can use for all sorts of things - it's safe on basically every household metal including jewellery, it's safe on plastics and rubber, it doesn't bleach clothes, it's an incredible limescale remover, it's great as a dishwasher cleaner, it's what's in espresso machine cleaner (except you don't get charged £15 for 100g!), it's used as a pickling agent for preparing copper pipes and brass for soldering, and even in pretty strong concentrations with hot water you can get it on your skin and it's no big deal, just wash your hands and you're good to go. Seriously magic stuff.
Or you could use water from a dehumidifier or condesing tumble drier, we get more of those than we know what to do with.
Wow! Thanks for the great info here. Definitely sone great tips.
@Graham Sutherland Are you only using tap water and citric acid? Nothing else?
@@ThisOldChris for cleaning tasks yeah. for ultrasonic baths I use the ultrasonic fluid and tap water plus an extra teaspoon of citric acid to knock down the water hardness. there's other stuff in the fluid that aids cavitation, which is important.
I bought two kilos of citric acid today. Thank you!
The boards cleaned up so well!!! I don’t have a proper cleaner so I’d have just tossed the boards and case pieces into my dishwasher and prayed for a miracle. 😂
If I put this into my dishwasher the divorce would be expensive...
@@MarkFixesStuff Why? Consider all the other crap you put in there. All the baked on crap from pans and what not. I doubt a little smoke grease is the worst of it.
It's surprising how many do that with success. I don't think its the proper way. But when not having anything else a valid way. Just make sure there is no, how do brits call it, corrosive compounds? in your cleaner. Just a simple degreaser will do. Something you could use on your hands is fine for most electronics.
Edit: Don't do things with transformers and such, you might have a hard time getting water out again and some might use cardboard coil formers and such. But a mainboard has little of that. A switching power supply would so thats a no for washing.
@@bzuidgeest the fireman told us that this smoke grease is highly carcinogenic because of all the plastics and metals in a house fire. I’d rather not risk it!
@@MarkFixesStuff only if you eat it. 🤣. But yes it's nasty stuff. But then again, who hasn't stood next to a campfire, with who knows what kind of crap in it. And do remember that charred food is also considered carcinogenic. As are a surprising number of actual foodstuffs. But only in large quantities.
The dishwasher is build to make that stuff disappear, it's reason for existing .😮. I'm not advising against the ultrasonic cleaner and marriage safety. I am just saying it wouldn't have killed you.
First time seeing some one using a ultrasonic on a retro motherboard the results are spectacular, a must have tool in the arsenal in my opinion!
I’m absolutely over the moon to have this board clean, and most importantly “stench free”. Cheers for watching Fasman!
There's no need to buy lab-grade distilled water. The distilled water at the grocery store for a couple dollars a gallon works just as well, and for hobby related cleaning, is more than sufficient.
Very nice. Been thinking of an ultrasonic cleaner for a while. I would use tap water and then just rinse the board in distilled water at the end.
Its amazing how well that board came up. That new case looks great.
It's such a great tool. I'm sat by the door waiting for the case to arrive.
I'm not so surprised at how well it came out. I've been using a smaller ultrasonic tank for a few years now, it's proven really useful especially with boards that have been got at by leaky capacitors and backup batteries. Not a tool I use every day but when it's needed, it's priceless.
That’s good to know because I worried that boards with capacitor damage might be ruined by the cavitation cleaning process. Thank you 🙏
@@MarkFixesStuff Note, they can be damaged. It depends on how extensive the damage to the copper is. If it's minimal, it shouldn't cause significant damage, or at least not so significant beyond the reach of simple soldering repairs!
That transformation was truly remarkable, My face was exactly the same when I first saw Patsy Kensit's baps in Lethal Weapon 2 when I was a kid
Eigth Wonder...
It’s good to have Mark Fixes Puns back!
We’ve all had hangovers leaving us feeling in need of an ultrasonic bath.
Thanks duck. Yeah. Wish I could rinse my brain out like this! Big love.
@@MarkFixesStuff you and me both. Honestly tho, some before and after shots would go crazy on social media. You’ve done good!
@@fueledbyregret good idea! I'll do that!
3:39 Probably the best advise I've ever gotten from the Internet: If it's already broken, what do you have left to lose trying to fix it? Of course time is money etc. etc. but we do lots of things just because. At least in your case, it would make an interesting video, no matter the outcome! And the ultrasonic cleaning did an amazing job with the boards! Can't wait to see how this project shapes up!
Everything you say is true. A video testing the board is coming next.
Nice jugs !
That Ultrasonic cleaner is so impressive. Those boards look fantastic.
Really shiny in real life as well.
Seeing the after had me astonished saying "holy shit". What a difference! It's nice seeing you rescuing things presumed lost in that fire, it's got to be cathartic for you. Well done.
Thanks. It is.
just a tip, before you clean the parts you can turn on the ultrasonic cleaner as well as the heating element and that will make the liquid heat up a lot faster instead of waiting one hour
Thanks for the info!
That turned out a whole lot better than I thought it would, and now it's getting a nice new crystal case to go in. Great stuff, looking forward to seeing the final result.
Glad you enjoyed it
I used my Dishwasher 2 weeks ago, to clean a fully smoker PC. It was so disgusting brown inside. Mainboard, CPU cooler, Mini Tower, even the fans. It came out like new and after 2 days of drying it worked again like a charm :)
Gah, but my plates go in there!!! You are braver than me!
hopefully you deep cleaned your dishwasher afterwards or it was a junk one no longer used for washing dishwashers. I don't really think it is a good idea to put potentially toxic things in it and use it for dish cleaning too.
@@MarkFixesStuff well i went the hottest program :D also i used cleaning tab as well and I think dirty dishes could be even more dirty then some nikotine or something else like mold :D
I'm staggered. Simply staggered. What an amazing job that ultrasonic cleaner did!!
Hard to not throw everything in it now tbh!
It's amazing how satisfying it is to watch a good cleaning vid. Great result!
It's fabulous and so heart warming to see. Even the anodising on the choke coils is gleaming. 😊✔
I can’t stop looking at it!
@@MarkFixesStuff Stop it, just stop it! 😄
Wow! Never thought it'd be that effective - amazing!
Right?!
The first song sounds like DM Stripped intro! Nice!
I hear it now! 🎶 Come with me into the trees 🌲
Wow! What an instant difference in the ultrasonic bath! I remember when I was a kid they had a little one at the o-to Ian and when we went in for adjustments or checkups the first thing they would always do is pop your glasses in it for a couple of minutes. The result was always perfection. An Amiga motherboard is a bit of a scarier prospect though.
Could you hear how nervous it made me then 😂
@@MarkFixesStuff that came across very clearly! I am now going to anxiously await your update on whether it boots. And that amazing clear case!
Wow that is impressive!
Thanks Firthy!
Amazing results. I know first hand just how terrible fire damage soot is, so wasn't expecting that.
Your comment about too much Ultrasonic cleaning for electrolytics being a thing has got me wondering if that's part of the problem with some re-capped Sega Saturn motherboards that I have. After re-capping, they went from perfectly fine to dead. My initial reaction was "Maybe they need more cleaning??". I'm thinking I want to re-do the capping entirely on one of them to see if that revives it. In case you're curious, I've imported, successfully refurbished and resold 10 units from Japan with at least 10 more awaiting attention. 5 boards on the dead pile has eaten away at my confidence lately :)
That case is amazing, and the cleaner worked better than I hoped.
I was really nervous, this being my first time.
@@MarkFixesStuff We're all nervous the first time. Oh, the cleaner! That too. Btw, lol at grabbing the jugs 😁
Blimey! And they printed the case as well. Double Blimey!
"I ran down the shops and grabbed the first pair of jugs I saw" OOooohhh Matron!🤣
😂😂😂😂you beat me to it
Perfectly done nice and methodological especially the jugs 😄
Rumour has it the Gummies are using the ultrasonic cleaner as a jacuzzi….
Rumour has it that it’s powered by Gummy Farts…
@@MarkFixesStuff I'm now wondering if they actually smell sweet...
@@richards7909 I can only comment on the taste...
Marky Mark and the funky A600... its looking good, cant wait for the second video :)
Definitely a good tool to have.
I want to put everything in it now! 😂
It all cleaned up rather nicely it must be said!
Definitely effective! I’m really pleased.
Wow, amazing!
I think it's magic!
i love your collection of computers :) i still have a few amigas ,a c16 motherboard ,a spectrum 48k rubber key . best times of my life going to woolworths and w h smiths to by games . 5 pound saved up .that should buy at least 2 games :) haha
Loved the budget label stuff. Often terrible but part of the joy was finding out.
That was amazing, I doubted the efficacy of these cleaners but now I might just buy one.
You should! I thought it was BS too TBH.
The board came out great and i learnt a bit about sonic cleaning .Brian from tech yes city youtube channel often uses a sonic cleaner on pc parts with great results .Will you be looking at your amiga 1200 at some point as well .
Yes. I have a vintage accelerator caked in soot too
5:20 .... oh err missus :)
That was a massive difference after the first bath... Its tempting to stick everything in the US bath before trying to fix it but you often find you wash away any evidence of where a problem may lie. better to US bath it after fixing any issues although I can see why you took a gamble with this one. Looking forward to the next part.
Oh yes. 100%. But in the previous video it was booting, so time to wash it.
That came up amazingly! Expensive I'm sure with the consumables, but still worth trying out.
More and more I’m reading to just use tap water and rinse off with distilled or IPA after.
@@MarkFixesStuff Yep might be the plan, I only just got access back to my retro computers. I have a bit of cleaning and testing ahead of me :)
Amazing results! Looking forward to see where this is going :)
Thank you! Good places I hope!
Wow!!! Now I need an ultrasonic cleaner, too. Unbelievable!
Incredible results. Great job mate!
Wait until you see the joystick I’m going to pair it with…
A very entertaining watch, looking forward to the see thru case. Duncan
Cheers Duncan. Look forward to it actually arriving!
Nice work Mark. Less is always more with ultrasonic cleaners. I ruined several things before I figured that out 😢
I wondered if I might have overdone the board because some of the solder mask looks patchy but I think that might have been heat of the soot (it kind of melts into surfaces like sand on sandpaper). The gotek board is fine. The copper traces on the Amiga aren’t exposed mind you.
I'd recommend washing in soapy water before going into the ultrasonic cleaner. That way there is less contamination in the cleaner and the board should come out even better.
I did consider that, but I then thought for the "first one" I wanted to see if it could handle the full horror... and it did. I'll definitely pre wash most stuff in future because I had to dump that solution after one wash.
Excellent results Mark. I would love to get an ultrasonic cleaner.
Obviously I would recommend them now. It’s like magic.
I think I'd have put it through the dishwasher first. Great video as always though Mark!
Not my dishwasher… I’ll put it through yours though Daz! 😂
Well that came up really nice didn't know they worked so fast
"That's what she said"... sorry Si lol
Wow, nice.
Thanks Ron!
I really should invest in an ultrasonic cleaner soon. I very nearly bought one last year (for PCBs).
Hope all is well, mate. ;)
Really worth it Ash!
UltraSonic Cleaner is definitely on my list of things to get soon. I want want for removing paint from plastic models, but cleaning things like jewellery, glasses and other things will be a bonus really.
I'm curious what solutions to use really. I've seen some suggest washing up liquid, or stronger detergents (US YTers have used things like Simply Green iirc). I've seen some use Isopropynl Alcohol! I won't be doing that however as I don't want a fire in my house!
Wow, that board will did clean up well in the ultrasonic cleaner.
You can save quite a bit of money by using deionised water instead of distilled. Carplan stuff is usually around £2.75 for 5litres
I was about to say this. Here in Norway, they call it "battery water", and it's "clean enough" for ultrasonic cleaning.
Just don't do what a certain youtube-channel did and use alcohol in the tank.. That can quite literally explode.
Thanks! That’s a lot cheaper!
Yeah. I read up on the physics. Anything flammable is a bad idea!
Amazing result!
I think someone will print you an Amiga case in clear plastic.
That's my prediction.
Also, the ultrasonic was like magic.
I was amazed.
I hope that board works, that was amazing!
Next video we will find out!
Amazing results.
Thanks Ross!
Truly astounding.
Super cool vid! My fav kind of vids! :D
Thanks so much!
A Gotek drive with a big ARM chip; not seen one of them for ages. I hope it works.
That's retro all by itself!
I'd say using tap water should be fine. There is so much dirt coming of the board that the water is less clean than tap water within a fraction of a second. If you are worried about minerals you could do a small clean with distilled water afterwards. Ethanol works well too. However, I have succesfully cleaned so many computers in the dishwasher in the kitchen that I'm convinced the minerals problem maybe exists in theory, but in practise isn't a problem at all.
Came to say the same. Also like to use plastic zip lock bags filled with cleaner solution and tap water in the tank to keep solution use at minimium and the cleaner clean
Yeah. I think in hindsight you are right. Because this was my first ever go at this, and because this is UA-cam, I didn't want to open myself up to abuse 😂
tap water and zip lock bags sounds like a good compromise, or maybe a glass dish I have read??
I hear you. I'll try that as well!
I've been using an ultrasonic cleaner for years but I've no tips because mine is teeny tiny, intended for jewellery and I use it to knock paint off little warhammer men.
I also have a small one....
Very impressive! I want one now. 😆
Mate... you have NO IDEA haw hard it is to resist cleaning "all the things!" right now!
I bought an ultrasonic cleaner a year ago, turns out it was significantly bigger in the picture. Couldn't fit much in the little basket and it has mostly stayed in the box, so I guess size really does matter 😅
Actually, a small one is really useful for a lot more stuff because the cost of filling a large one is a bit prohibitive.
Hey Mark. Have you ever used an ozone generator to get rid of bad odours from electrical equipment. I have an eBay purchase and the previous owner was a smoker. It’s a 90s hifi stack. I am toying with the idea of an ozone generator but find little UK info. I read great stuff but also that’s it’s dangerous and I’m too nervous to commit
I actually know little about these, I'd probably go for a good wash and maybe an ultrasonic cleaner instead?
i put my stuff through an ultra. clean. i have a soft bristled brush i run over the board during a 2min ultrasonic clean.. one minute on each site.
Hmm, brushing whilst cleaning is an intriguing idea! Thank you!
@@MarkFixesStuff no worries... i do that also with flux from my pcbs i solder
Full jugs are useful
Just realised this one was a few months old... was there a follow up? How did it all go?
Updates will be coming but hit a couple of road bumps
@@MarkFixesStuff good? To know... I mean good that updates are happening. But roadbumps are always a pain. But makes for fun projects.
Been looking forward to this one 😍
I wish I got the 22l version of the cleaner. I got 15l and have to have half of a large board stick out then turn it over. I wrongly thought that 22l would be too big. They work well, but make sure to unplug it when done, they're made in China!
Warning understood and heeded! If I want to do an Amiga 500 I’m in the same position.
@@MarkFixesStuff It's not a show stopper. You just have to flip the PCB over and it takes longer.
How long was the board actually in the cleaner for ?
About 17 minutes of run time in total!
some 20+ years ago i had an early 1970s thorn 1590 black n white portable tv given to me that'd been in a house fire, the front moulding was quite badly heat bubbled but still intact, also knobs very wonky, but strangely the main outer case unaffected, maybe 'cause different type plastic? the case and innards werent too mucky luckily and the gunk just mostly brushed off, amazingly the thing worked perfectly after that, still got it but not easily usable now analogue transmissions stopped, booo, damn you tony blair!
1000 thank you for the headphone warning Mark.
It looks like its a new motherbord
Incredible, isn't it!
Is that a 30L?
22L
DOES THIS WORK ON GRUBNUTS?
Dunno Ringmaster? How grubby ARE your nuts?
Forgive me if this is a silly question, is distilled water harder to come by in the UK or do you have to use that brand of distilled water? in the US its about .70c to $1.00 a gallon (3.78L)
I had to order from a farming supply company in bulk and it comes out at £35.99 for 40 litres delivered and that's by far the cheapest I could find.
Wow, that’s a lot. In the US you can get it at any drug store or supermarket, and the amount you used would be less than $5.
You could always ditch the ugly RF modulator entirely, since it's not critical to the display circuit like the modulator on a C64. That way if you want to use an RGB2HDMI later on you'll have a spot to run the cable out of the case.
That's actually true... hmmm
@@MarkFixesStuff noo, leave the poor ol' modulator alone, far too many people gut or completely remove modulators (especially when composite modding zx81s and spectrums) which is totally unnecessary and makes it then unusable in its original way
Hope you asked before just grabbing random juggs!
Consent is everything.
helpful advice......dont try and wash your tackle in there!
Where were you twenty minutes ago??!! 😭
But his rod came up a treat!
Personally I prefer 2 jugs the exact same size
So you grabbed two jugs but failed to mention who they belong to?🤪
Me now. I paid for them.
😍😍😍😍
Exactly my sentiments
Is there something special about that water? They sell distilled water in stores really $1 or $2 a gallon by the other water here. People use it for humidfiers and drink it.
That ultrasonic cleaner needs an ultrasonic screwdriver
A small Timey Wimey adjustment.
There is some really doubtful advise in this video. Clearly he never used an ultrasonic cleaner. It's not smart to use distilled water that way. It's more filthy then tap water after the first rinse, not economical at all. And if you live in a area where water has low mineral content its useless. If you really want to use it. Put it in a small bag with the device and put that in ordinary water. You can also just rinse with distilled water afterwards or IPA.
I'm not giving advice. At the very beginning of the video I say that it's my first ever time using an ultrasonic cleaner, and towards the end I ask people if I am doing anything wrong and if they have any better ways that they can leave in the comments section. I'm not pretending to be an expert or teaching people. I'm just cataloging my own journey. Thank you for watching.
@@MarkFixesStuff I apologize, but i think people take your videos as advise by definition. You opinion is valued by a lot of people. Maybe i should have said doubtful action or something. Just saying it's meant as a video blog is a little bit of a politicians copout. That might be your intention, but the reality has a way of getting away with that🙂. That's why disclaimers exist.
Well, I say it's my "first ever ultrasonic cleaning" adventure and that "I'm nervous" because I don't how how it will come out right at the very beginning. If people don't hear that and think I am an expert I cannot really do more I am afraid Bart. Sorry.
@@MarkFixesStuff i actually agree with that, but so many people will still take it as gospel. It's just something to keep in the back of ones mind. Luckily we are not in the US.