John, I really appreciate you for doing and sharing these interviews, and for being a great host and allowing the guest to answer in full. You are a legend, cheers mate.
John Anderson is a great interviewer, thank you for sharing your videos with You Tube, I enjoy them very much. Unfortunately I have not heard of Dr Yoram Hazony before but life is for learning and I have just been introduced to a remarkable and learned gentleman whose work I intend to research further. I have just finished listening to this video on UA-cam while doing household chores and will sit down now to listen to the whole thing again! It’s like I have just woken up without the hangover and I have a chance to think straight! Thank you both for a very enlightening and thoughtful video.
Yorams description of how democracy works needs to be taught to our politicians. I think for a lot of them it would be the first time they had heard it.
A few decades ago professor Dahrendorf, then head of the London school of economics, stated that the national state is the precondition for a functioning democracy. He was right.
Perhaps we need to start defining words when we speak? When you say words like Nationalism or Democracy, they mean very different things to different people. That alone may help us in conversations? We live in very confusing times. Thank you both for having a civil and quiet conversation. Blessings to you both. A standardized dictionary is a thing of the past so making a point that is understood as intended, becomes seemingly impossible.
I am a great reader of Yoram with whom I partake the essentials. I also consider Mr Anderson a remarkabke and much needed personality. However, I want to maje a futile remark just now. Mr Anderson educated aussie accent is a delight to my ears!
Regarding identity, I belong to a group or a tribe but it’s not my identity. My identity is me within a group or a tribe. I can identify myself in a group or a tribe but again it’s not my identity. If it were that the group all of sudden goes sideways and I can’t support it no more I don’t lose my identity. I still have my values, moral and political standpoint.
I somehow missed this... and Tucker Carlson’s discussion with Bukele 🤷🏻♂ Anyway, many thanks John; I believe there needs to be a synthesis of the ideas of Hazony, Eberstadt and Iain McGilchrist... the most important thinkers of our current crisis
Sadly I think it is too late for Australia. We don't have a major political party with conservative values. The only thing the LNP conserves is bad Labor policies. The immigration policies of both major parties are against nationalism. There are reports of the CCP flag openly flying in several areas of Australia, and it's no longer necessary to speak English. Our politicians do not object to foreign ownership. The ABC reported years ago that a third of the food producers in my state are owned by China. There are ofcourse tiny patriotic political parties, but I've concluded they are controlled opposition to give the illusion of democratic choice. We are essentially already under direct governance by global interests. Even Morrison was publicly praised by Schwab for using covid to advance the WEFs aims. And obviously Labor is as well.
@@banta-pd8zj : @Granny always criticises Australia and praises the CCP, usually in subtle ways but sometimes he gets lazy and blatantly supports the CCP as he recently did with the subject of Taiwan.
Yoram Hazony seems like a very nice man. On the specific issue of Brexit, although it is true that Remainers tried to sabotage the exit from the EU, there is really no going back now for at least a generation or more. John Major negotiated a special agreement so the UK could keep its own currency, something which no other country but Denmark had. If the UK sought to re-enter the EU now, it would enter on the same terms as Serbia or North Macedonia, and would be obliged to commit to adopting the euro. I doubt that a majority of Britons would ever go along with that. That was the logic behind Major seeking that special agreement in the first place.
I get his thoughts on "liberal ruled based order" and the problems with global centralization. But I wonder what Dr. Hazony thinks about the legal standardization of human rights in international law, the idea of a global criminal justice courts and those things. I mean, yes, these ideas impose certain principles and values on everyone. But is the answer to the question whether genocide and other atrocities are crimes really up to every single national government? Are there no universal principles whose validity overcome the borders of national sovereignty? Who am I to criticize the German policies towards Jews within the German borders in the 1930s? I totally could say "it's their way to live". What I'm trying to say is, that this "I want total independent and free nations" can easily lead to cultural relativism and to the "divinization" of states.
@@TakezoShinmen413 genocide is an absolute evil. But so is universal imperialism. And I would add this: an absolute moral truth is recognised, followed and realised from within; a universal legal court imposes and coerces from without.
@@YehoshuaDerovan I think we should define what Imperialism is in the first step. But sure I guess you don‘t mean anything good by that term. However, I‘m not sure whether my question is answered by that statement 🤔 How are morals (especially when we believe they‘re given by the god of Abraham who claims to be Lord to all humankind) absolute but not universal?
@@TakezoShinmen413I read his books. Values are universal in principle, but imperfectly grasped by human minds and societies. So there is some room for disagreement and difference. We do not impose values by force. If a state goes rogue like 1930s Germany, then he says it's permissible for nations to step in and stop it. In general he is not of favor of international orders with enforceable rules. He considers that imperialism. But you could have a coaltion of nation-states, as we did in WWII.
The central importance is love those that hate (unlovable) , but not too much where it results in self harm and suicide . Yes we do , easier democracies. Yes please . Imperialism NWO Global is "a downwards power" that makes everyone obey their rules that nobody else can resist because they are a distinguished legal law making power to underscore their foundation that is money NOT intelligent common sense and certainly NOT fear reverence to God as they are gods. This is frequently demonstrated in History from the beginning of humanity and Democracy, we can only stress, add pressure ; to warn against idolatry , which is absolute corrupt human (witchcraft) criminal authority. At the present trouble times, are extremely dangerous towards long -suffering and forgiving non - criminals civilised Peoples. We Object Unchanged Criminals Being Rewarded. Thank You Both . I agree conservative liberty .
Well considered and articulated but hardly a model to suit all. I do not consider myself a progressive, nor on the conservative right, as I see shortcomings in both positions. In any event with their history of taking the moral high ground, and dissociating from wrong doing, politically conservative leaders and religious leaders have a great deal to answer for.
Switzerland is a federal democratic republic since 1848, composed of different tribes, different religious denominations, different political leanings and languages, with direct democracy, is a functional political model.
Switzerland is a tiny country made up of majority Germans, some French and Italians, majority Christian. It's not multicultural by the normal definition of the word.
Really? Women couldn’t vote in Switzerland until 1971 and in some cantons 1990. Because Switzerland is such a model of democracy, I assume Swiss women simply didn’t want to vote.
@@alongsleepwhen did you live in Switzerland? I live there now and one only has to visit Zurich or Geneva, for example, to see how wrong that statement is. We have one of the highest percentages of immigrants of any country.
@@pawelpap9the word democracy doesn't automatically imply universal suffrage. In fact I think if proposed the modern concept of universal suffrage to most citizens in a "democracy" before about the 20th century they would think you were a radical extremist. Also in the US there were women that opposed women's suffrage. In many cases women actually didn't want to vote until it became a popular issue in the early 20th century
Yoram description of the Israeli situation is very distorted and removed from reality on the ground. There is no comparison between Israel situation and the American or British situation.
What a load! I discovered true liberalism very young. My girlfriend in high school was a first wave feminist. Both of us became atheists. We were eager to get married…did so…and just celebrated 50 years. We have one child who himself is married 12 years with 2 children of his own. We live in Canada under a Liberal government….and are doing just fine thank you…proud of our heritage but also aware of the fact that we have a long way to go to make our indigenous peoples feel that they are respected and cherished. Conservatives would have us ignore these people and regard them as the defeated. The good professor needs some fresh perspectives on true liberalism.
One of the main principles of 'Liberalism' is _Small Gov't._ How's Canada going with that ? Another is _Free Speech,_ why does Canada have laws restricting free speech ?
Canada was founded under a Conservative government which was at times called the Liberal-Conservative Party. The Liberal Party of Canada has governed far more often than the Conservatives and over the past 150+ years has done nothing for the indigenous people. When has Justin Trudeau ever had to boil his water before drinking it. You say Conservatives would ignore the First Nations yet it is the Liberals that have held them down. How did Pierre Trudeau’s ‘White Paper’ go over with them, like a lead balloon. Justin Trudeau is no better, he is all about self promotion and photo ops trying to impress the UN but very shallow in reality and light on results. And how is Justin’s record on running Canada? Extreme taxation, much waste, questionable ethics and ever encroaching destruction of individual freedoms in favour of his ‘post-nationalist’ country sellout to a one world government in which he expects to be among the elite while you and I eek out an existence subordinate to government welfare programs. The Hunger Games comes to mind.
Ohh please. There is nothing Liberal about your Far left regressivism in Canada. Who is we here? Will you also recognise the rights of indigenous Amazighs in North Africa or are your Muslim Brotherhood masters won't let you? Your heritage? Of what exactly?
Word. This book of Dr. Hazony is a delightful and very educative read.
John, I really appreciate you for doing and sharing these interviews, and for being a great host and allowing the guest to answer in full. You are a legend, cheers mate.
John Anderson is a great interviewer, thank you for sharing your videos with You Tube, I enjoy them very much. Unfortunately I have not heard of Dr Yoram Hazony before but life is for learning and I have just been introduced to a remarkable and learned gentleman whose work I intend to research further. I have just finished listening to this video on UA-cam while doing household chores and will sit down now to listen to the whole thing again! It’s like I have just woken up without the hangover and I have a chance to think straight! Thank you both for a very enlightening and thoughtful video.
This was a fantastic discussion. The Neo-Marxism and multiculturalism section was so well explained.
Yorams description of how democracy works needs to be taught to our politicians. I think for a lot of them it would be the first time they had heard it.
Very well said about a much needed message.
A few decades ago professor Dahrendorf, then head of the London school of economics, stated that the national state is the precondition for a functioning democracy. He was right.
Very thoughtful interview. Just bought his book to see if it lives up to this interview.
I read it and loved it.
Great interview and conversation between two wise men.
Conservatives need to teach and educate in order to wrestle the narrative away from the "progressives".
In Australia for years I've been saying the only thing the conservatives conserve is bad Labor (left) policies.
Western Politics needs more John Anderson’s.
Perhaps we need to start defining words when we speak? When you say words like Nationalism or Democracy, they mean very different things to different people. That alone may help us in conversations? We live in very confusing times. Thank you both for having a civil and quiet conversation. Blessings to you both. A standardized dictionary is a thing of the past so making a point that is understood as intended, becomes seemingly impossible.
Excellent analysis!
I want a conservative Democracy. This lunacy of living in a upside society is abnormal.
I am a great reader of Yoram with whom I partake the essentials. I also consider Mr Anderson a remarkabke and much needed personality. However, I want to maje a futile remark just now. Mr Anderson educated aussie accent is a delight to my ears!
What at great episode.
Regarding identity,
I belong to a group or a tribe but it’s not my identity. My identity is me within a group or a tribe. I can identify myself in a group or a tribe but again it’s not my identity. If it were that the group all of sudden goes sideways and I can’t support it no more I don’t lose my identity. I still have my values, moral and political standpoint.
I somehow missed this... and Tucker Carlson’s discussion with Bukele 🤷🏻♂
Anyway, many thanks John; I believe there needs to be a synthesis of the ideas of Hazony, Eberstadt and Iain McGilchrist... the most important thinkers of our current crisis
Sadly I think it is too late for Australia. We don't have a major political party with conservative values. The only thing the LNP conserves is bad Labor policies. The immigration policies of both major parties are against nationalism. There are reports of the CCP flag openly flying in several areas of Australia, and it's no longer necessary to speak English. Our politicians do not object to foreign ownership. The ABC reported years ago that a third of the food producers in my state are owned by China. There are ofcourse tiny patriotic political parties, but I've concluded they are controlled opposition to give the illusion of democratic choice. We are essentially already under direct governance by global interests. Even Morrison was publicly praised by Schwab for using covid to advance the WEFs aims. And obviously Labor is as well.
OK, you've established that Australia is not fascist, now weren't you going to talk about conservatism?
@@banta-pd8zj : @Granny always criticises Australia and praises the CCP, usually in subtle ways but sometimes he gets lazy and blatantly supports the CCP as he recently did with the subject of Taiwan.
Neither Australia nor NZ have control over the numbers; journalists are fed Critical Theory
ua-cam.com/video/bZ7NS-DnH6c/v-deo.html
"Conservative values" is an oxymoron.
@@---Dana----Probably you and your parents thinks it is a biting comment.
Yoram Hazony seems like a very nice man. On the specific issue of Brexit, although it is true that Remainers tried to sabotage the exit from the EU, there is really no going back now for at least a generation or more. John Major negotiated a special agreement so the UK could keep its own currency, something which no other country but Denmark had. If the UK sought to re-enter the EU now, it would enter on the same terms as Serbia or North Macedonia, and would be obliged to commit to adopting the euro. I doubt that a majority of Britons would ever go along with that. That was the logic behind Major seeking that special agreement in the first place.
Jon Haidt says nationalism beats globalism.
I love my Catholic Bible translation best and will not change it .Though I am NOT Catholic I am Christian.
Providing food and housing at no cost to someone tends to stop their ambitions, open those people up to drugs, and all kinds of criminal activity.
Authentic conservatism doesn't attack white rights to homelands
I get his thoughts on "liberal ruled based order" and the problems with global centralization.
But I wonder what Dr. Hazony thinks about the legal standardization of human rights in international law, the idea of a global criminal justice courts and those things. I mean, yes, these ideas impose certain principles and values on everyone. But is the answer to the question whether genocide and other atrocities are crimes really up to every single national government? Are there no universal principles whose validity overcome the borders of national sovereignty? Who am I to criticize the German policies towards Jews within the German borders in the 1930s? I totally could say "it's their way to live".
What I'm trying to say is, that this "I want total independent and free nations" can easily lead to cultural relativism and to the "divinization" of states.
"Moral truths are absolute, not universal" said the late Rabbi Jonathan Sacks. Maybe that helps you articulate some answers to your questions.
@@YehoshuaDerovan Thank you for your answer. Where‘s the difference?
@@TakezoShinmen413 genocide is an absolute evil. But so is universal imperialism.
And I would add this: an absolute moral truth is recognised, followed and realised from within; a universal legal court imposes and coerces from without.
@@YehoshuaDerovan I think we should define what Imperialism is in the first step. But sure I guess you don‘t mean anything good by that term.
However, I‘m not sure whether my question is answered by that statement 🤔
How are morals (especially when we believe they‘re given by the god of Abraham who claims to be Lord to all humankind) absolute but not universal?
@@TakezoShinmen413I read his books. Values are universal in principle, but imperfectly grasped by human minds and societies. So there is some room for disagreement and difference. We do not impose values by force. If a state goes rogue like 1930s Germany, then he says it's permissible for nations to step in and stop it. In general he is not of favor of international orders with enforceable rules. He considers that imperialism. But you could have a coaltion of nation-states, as we did in WWII.
The central importance is love
those that hate (unlovable)
, but not too much
where it results in self harm and suicide .
Yes we do , easier democracies.
Yes please . Imperialism NWO Global is "a downwards power" that makes everyone obey their rules that nobody else can resist because they are a distinguished legal law making power to underscore their foundation that is money NOT intelligent common sense and certainly NOT fear reverence to God as they are gods.
This is frequently demonstrated in History from the beginning of humanity and Democracy, we can only stress, add pressure ; to warn against idolatry , which is absolute corrupt human (witchcraft) criminal authority.
At the present trouble times, are extremely dangerous towards long -suffering and forgiving non - criminals civilised Peoples. We Object Unchanged Criminals Being Rewarded.
Thank You Both . I agree conservative liberty .
Well considered and articulated but hardly a model to suit all. I do not consider myself a progressive, nor on the conservative right, as I see shortcomings in both positions.
In any event with their history of taking the moral high ground, and dissociating from wrong doing, politically conservative leaders and religious leaders have a great deal to answer for.
Does Israel have a right to do what it has to to keep from being exterminated
Switzerland is a federal democratic republic since 1848, composed of different tribes, different religious denominations, different political leanings and languages, with direct democracy, is a functional political model.
Switzerland is a tiny country made up of majority Germans, some French and Italians, majority Christian. It's not multicultural by the normal definition of the word.
Really? Women couldn’t vote in Switzerland until 1971 and in some cantons 1990. Because Switzerland is such a model of democracy, I assume Swiss women simply didn’t want to vote.
@@alongsleepwhen did you live in Switzerland? I live there now and one only has to visit Zurich or Geneva, for example, to see how wrong that statement is. We have one of the highest percentages of immigrants of any country.
@@pawelpap9yes, they initially rejected the vote.
@@pawelpap9the word democracy doesn't automatically imply universal suffrage. In fact I think if proposed the modern concept of universal suffrage to most citizens in a "democracy" before about the 20th century they would think you were a radical extremist. Also in the US there were women that opposed women's suffrage. In many cases women actually didn't want to vote until it became a popular issue in the early 20th century
What intellectual is going to tell others not to read something? Reading is learning. Had to stop right there.
That’s not what he meant and you know it. Your only appeal is to those who cannot listen and discern for themselves.
The Slurification of Nationalism
Vote NO
Yoram description of the Israeli situation is very distorted and removed from reality on the ground. There is no comparison between Israel situation and the American or British situation.
What?
What a load! I discovered true liberalism very young. My girlfriend in high school was a first wave feminist. Both of us became atheists. We were eager to get married…did so…and just celebrated 50 years. We have one child who himself is married 12 years with 2 children of his own.
We live in Canada under a Liberal government….and are doing just fine thank you…proud of our heritage but also aware of the fact that we have a long way to go to make our indigenous peoples feel that they are respected and cherished. Conservatives would have us ignore these people and regard them as the defeated.
The good professor needs some fresh perspectives on true liberalism.
One of the main principles of 'Liberalism' is _Small Gov't._ How's Canada going with that ?
Another is _Free Speech,_ why does Canada have laws restricting free speech ?
Is true liberalism prime minister calling protesting workers fascists? If so, I will go with fake liberalism.
Canada was founded under a Conservative government which was at times called the Liberal-Conservative Party. The Liberal Party of Canada has governed far more often than the Conservatives and over the past 150+ years has done nothing for the indigenous people. When has Justin Trudeau ever had to boil his water before drinking it. You say Conservatives would ignore the First Nations yet it is the Liberals that have held them down. How did Pierre Trudeau’s ‘White Paper’ go over with them, like a lead balloon. Justin Trudeau is no better, he is all about self promotion and photo ops trying to impress the UN but very shallow in reality and light on results. And how is Justin’s record on running Canada? Extreme taxation, much waste, questionable ethics and ever encroaching destruction of individual freedoms in favour of his ‘post-nationalist’ country sellout to a one world government in which he expects to be among the elite while you and I eek out an existence subordinate to government welfare programs. The Hunger Games comes to mind.
U da 1 dat b spoutin da load
Ohh please. There is nothing Liberal about your Far left regressivism in Canada. Who is we here? Will you also recognise the rights of indigenous Amazighs in North Africa or are your Muslim Brotherhood masters won't let you?
Your heritage? Of what exactly?