Stephen Kotkin: What Putin Got Wrong About Ukraine, Russia, and the West | Foreign Affairs Interview

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  • Опубліковано 26 кві 2023
  • Foreign Affairs invites you to listen to its podcast, the Foreign Affairs Interview. This episode with Stephen Kotkin was originally published on May 26, 2022.
    Since Russia invaded Ukraine in February, the world has contended with the stakes of the conflict, and what the war means for Russia’s relationship with the West-and beyond. Should Russia still be considered a great power? What in Russia’s past explains the mistakes it’s making today? Will unity in the West outlast the war? What is Russian President Vladimir Putin’s ultimate goal in Ukraine, and is it changing?
    Stephen Kotkin is the author of seminal scholarship on Russia, the Soviet Union, and global history, including an acclaimed three-volume biography of Joseph Stalin. He is a professor at Princeton University and a fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford. Kotkin brings formidable historical depth and a sharp sense of the current geopolitical landscape to these questions about Russia, Putin’s leadership, and Ukraine’s future.
    We discuss why Russia’s capabilities too often fall short of its ambitions, why Putin underestimated the West (and why the West tends to underestimate itself), what China is learning from Russia’s experience, and what could happen next in Ukraine.
    SOURCES FOR THIS EPISODE
    “The Cold War Never Ended” by Stephen Kotkin
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    “Russia's Perpetual Geopolitics” by Stephen Kotkin
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    “The Fantasy of the Free World” by Shivshankar Menon
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 301

  • @tabithan2978
    @tabithan2978 Рік тому +267

    And they say liberal arts majors like historians are no longer needed. This guy is proof they are essential. This guy makes more sense than any computer programmer I've heard.

  • @kenkearns4616
    @kenkearns4616 Рік тому +349

    Excellent interview, this guy makes more sense of geopolitical issues than anyone else I have listened to.

    • @markb8468
      @markb8468 Рік тому +20

      Agreed

    • @gmw3083
      @gmw3083 Рік тому +22

      It takes two to tango. Kotkin ignores American hegemony and nato aggression. Putin attempted to join nato, but being that nato can't exist without its main enemy, that couldn't happen. Maybe try Jeffrey Sachs.

    • @michaeldelisieux5252
      @michaeldelisieux5252 Рік тому +6

      Agree!

  • @Alex-hu5eg
    @Alex-hu5eg Рік тому +178

    As a hungarian (who knows a thing or two about russia) I've been constanty blown away by the amount of insights he provides.

  • @briancase6180
    @briancase6180 Рік тому +197

    If Stephen Kotkin is talking, I'm listening. Thanks for bringing more of his wisdom, knowledge, and insight to us. He should be more widely known, and citizens of the US should be required to hear his analysis of history and international affairs. He can hold nearly anyone's interest!

  • @Aussie-Mocha
    @Aussie-Mocha Рік тому +148

    After every single interview with Kotkin , I have to sit back, take 5mns to evaluate everything he says. I usually end up laughing. It’s a laughter coming from a place of being overwhelmed at how comprehensively genius this man is.
    Mearshiemer was the 1st person I heard talking about Russia vers west issue but when I came across Kotkin , Mearshiemer suddenly sounded like a propaganda mouthpiece.
    Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
    US must show some teeth right at the top. Because so far we haven’t yet convinced Putin/Russia that they can’t achieve anything.

  • @martinarijsbergen4270
    @martinarijsbergen4270 Рік тому +168

    Stephen Kotkin has this beautiful ability to clearly outline the big picture and always makes me feel better and I am very happy we have great thinkers still amongst us!

  • @dixienormous8444
    @dixienormous8444 Рік тому +143

    I never miss a word this guy says. Thank you for the great conversation!

    • @markb8468
      @markb8468 Рік тому +10

      Same!

    • @thecount1001
      @thecount1001 Рік тому +22

      i'm surprised more people don't pay attention or even know who he is. his intelligence combined with an uncommonly listenable voice and delivery make him my preferred 'go to', intellectual.

  • @Conn30Mtenor
    @Conn30Mtenor 11 місяців тому +37

    Men and women like Professor Kotkin remind us that academics are still highly relevant.

  • @KellyEngstrom
    @KellyEngstrom Рік тому +49

    Dr. Kotkin, what a gift you are during this turbulent time. Your 'intellectual humility' makes your voice the most trustworthy one in the podcast era we live in right now.

  • @gnazlis
    @gnazlis Рік тому +27

    When I see a Kotkin interview, I "thumbs up" before I even start listening... I've never regretted my decision!

  • @paulh2468
    @paulh2468 Рік тому +58

    Fantastic! If Dr. Kotkin had his own weekly show, I'd be the first to subscribe. Despite being almost a year old, this interview was still highly educational.

  • @muchamad613
    @muchamad613 Рік тому +37

    As a Belarusian, I find this 83% accurate. The rest of 17% I blame on my own experience, which forms my own lense. So, it is very accurate.

  • @michaelroark2019
    @michaelroark2019 Рік тому +29

    One of the most impressive characteristics of Stephen Kotkin is his intellectual humility. Few other scholars speak about this virtue. It is refreshing.

    • @thecount1001
      @thecount1001 Місяць тому

      unlike John Mearsheimer, his polar opposite in style and perspective.

  • @mikecamacho1934
    @mikecamacho1934 Рік тому +49

    Stephen doesn't only parrot history, he breaks down the psychology, sociology and philosophy of that history. An unbelievable resource.

  • @mychalharris
    @mychalharris Рік тому +65

    Stephen Kotkin is simply the master of interleaving historical fact with current ground truth to derive reason based analysis. That, coupled with rhythmic storey-telling creates a great listening experience.

  • @rafaromanozademelmac6095
    @rafaromanozademelmac6095 10 місяців тому +6

    As a Pole, I am always surprised and shocked how much the West does not understand this current war and its context. But this is the absolutely brilliant interview. One of the few experts who speak sense.

  • @michaelk5825
    @michaelk5825 Рік тому +14

    Gotta love this guy. Steven Kotkin is believable and extremely well informed. I just hope Western leaders listen to him.

  • @albertwalker8994
    @albertwalker8994 Рік тому +55

    So refreshing to hear reality effectively and clearly articulated.

  • @considerthis7712
    @considerthis7712 Рік тому +9

    Kotkin as a historian is a joy, insightful and display of clarity amongst a large proportion of mass media ignorance, bias, prejudice, fear mongering and self interest.

  • @metmeningen463
    @metmeningen463 Рік тому +14

    Love to listen to this calm, wise, amiable and fair professor dr.Kotkin! Thank you!

  • @stianmathisen4284
    @stianmathisen4284 Рік тому +18

    Stephen Kotkin`s contributions is existential level important combining great history lessons with great analytic and philosophic
    skill!!

  • @marycampbell3431
    @marycampbell3431 Рік тому +15

    This interview is from May 2022. I'd like to hear Prof. Kotkin's view on the situation eleven months later.

    • @robleahy5759
      @robleahy5759 Рік тому +4

      He has given five or more interviews available on UA-cam since this date. Enjoy his addendum.

  • @elspeth8476
    @elspeth8476 Рік тому +18

    Stephen Kotkin is beyond insightful. He should be a household name.

  • @niklashansen8594
    @niklashansen8594 Рік тому +8

    It's scary how perfectly fluent and yet melodic this man speaks! Sounds almost as if he would read from a paper

  • @chrishooge3442
    @chrishooge3442 Рік тому +9

    I found Kotkin's assessment of Putin very illuminating. It explains why he's not only out of his element but also head of a state that is being stripped down to the foundation by oligarchs and courtiers.

  • @tonyholmes962
    @tonyholmes962 Рік тому +27

    Blows all those private school boys away every time.

  • @marionkapp49
    @marionkapp49 11 місяців тому +13

    What a privilege to listen to this masterful interview and be able to benefit from Mr Kotkin's expert explanations and background history so that we can have an understanding of this most complex horror that is the invasion of Ukraine. Most of us in urban far flung Western countries grapple with the rationale and motives of an aggressive, brutal Russia that's hell bent on wiping out Ukraine by pounding civilian apartment blocks, hospitals, schools etc. Thank you for your presentation, your humbleness and your professionalism. You have enlightened me not only regarding the Russian perspective, but the wonderful spirit of our Western world. You are right, we have almost become accepting that our Western world was doomed because we had become weak and self indulgent, when despite the shortcomings, greed and mistakes, we are far from being irrelevant and in fact are mightier than any of us imagined.

  • @johnoconnor4572
    @johnoconnor4572 Рік тому +14

    Brilliant, just bloody brilliant. The man is a genius, proves that history is, and always will be, essential and must never be ignored!!!!!!

  • @MB-to5gl
    @MB-to5gl Рік тому +7

    The moment I see written or spoken word by Mr. kotkin I stop, read or listen intently.
    Just love Mr. kotkin.

  • @guardiangypsy2682
    @guardiangypsy2682 Рік тому +14

    Great interview... I wish everyone would take time to listen to Stephen, full of common sense ❤

  • @wiv2631
    @wiv2631 Рік тому +4

    The clarity and adroitness of Kotkin's mind never ceases to amaze me.

  • @johnstewartrichards5922
    @johnstewartrichards5922 Рік тому +16

    “Prediction is difficult- particularly when it involves the future.” - Mark Twain

  • @bpurkapi
    @bpurkapi Рік тому +16

    Kotkin is a great historian and worth listening to.

  • @paulmakinson1965
    @paulmakinson1965 Рік тому +49

    I totally agree with this gentleman. I just don't think president Macron gets it.

  • @cdmcmxcvi1249
    @cdmcmxcvi1249 Рік тому +6

    Professor Kotkin is a national treasure.

  • @GenXstacker
    @GenXstacker 10 місяців тому +2

    Kotkin is largely correct, but I think he slightly overestimates the dominant position of the West. The fact is that we have saddled ourselves with unsustainable levels of debt. Since we froze Russia's bank reserves, foreign central banks have switched from buying Treasurys to loading up on gold. Russia is a major gold producer and commodity powerhouse. Commodities are a hedge against inflation. The US economy is gradually becoming a smaller percentage of the total world economy. So while the US remains world hegemon, we are definitely moving into a multipolar world. As Kotkin said, it is important to remain humble and avoid overconfidence.

  • @OziBlokeTimG
    @OziBlokeTimG Рік тому +6

    Stephen Legend Kotkin ❤

  • @craigshagin5506
    @craigshagin5506 Рік тому +9

    Excellent presentation. Events are their own force and all we can do is adhere to what we believe is right. This works in favor of one side 100% of the time. It might even be the good side. However , doing nothing because you are not assured of an outcome guarantees that you will amount to nothing.

  • @charlesandrews2360
    @charlesandrews2360 Рік тому +14

    Thank you for bringing this to us. Always good to get Stephen's current thoughts.
    He is hands-down the most informed expert on this subject that I've ever seen or read

  • @diedertspijkerboer
    @diedertspijkerboer 11 місяців тому +2

    As far as I'm concerned, I think that Russia's prescribed economic shock therapy based on the then popular neoliberal dogma's in the 1990s created enormous hardship in Russia and turned Russians away from a western style of running a country both politically and economically.

  • @volkodavav
    @volkodavav Рік тому +14

    Always inspired by Stephen Kotkin's honesty and deep understanding of complex geopolitical issues, and this interview on the war in Ukraine was no exception. His insights shed light on the root causes of the conflict and the challenges facing Ukraine, as well as the broader implications for regional and global security. I appreciate his nuanced analysis and would love to see more of his expert commentary on youtube and other platforms. Thank you, Stephen Kotkin, for sharing your wisdom and expertise!

  • @mixisixi2367
    @mixisixi2367 Рік тому +22

    Excellent interview! There is a level of decadence in the west and hopefully the events in Ukraine have been a wakeup call to take a hard look at threats to the free world. There is no freedom without the work needed to sustain it.

  • @RP-gx5wv
    @RP-gx5wv Рік тому +11

    Excellent interview and Kotkin always talks on topics in a balanced sense. Well done.

  • @lostkey1
    @lostkey1 11 місяців тому +2

    Spot on.

  • @frederikbjerre427
    @frederikbjerre427 Рік тому +21

    Wow, what an insight. One thing Putin never foresaw was the public outrage in the western world, people going to the streets calling for action, from the very beginning and thus putting pressure on the politicians to act. While politicians rather would warn about the price for cutting of gas from Russia, people saw a new Munich 38 and rejected it firmly. Now we have to stand by Ukraine til the very end and rightly so. Slava Ukrainini.

    • @Blanka1100
      @Blanka1100 Рік тому +10

      Some people saw it coming long time ago. Russia's neighbours in the first place. They have been warning for years.

  • @PaulHirsh
    @PaulHirsh Рік тому +19

    Thank you for mentioning Tibet. We always seem to hear about the genocide of the Uyghurs as if the same crime hasn't happened in Tibet and Inner Mongolia, where quite apart from the suppression of religion, language and culture, ecologically sustainable nomadic ways of life, agricultural practices that have taken centuries to evolve are being destroyed by the Chinese invader.

  • @yellowbug5113
    @yellowbug5113 Рік тому +3

    This man is so incredibly interesting. I need to hear more of what he has to say.

  • @jonathaneffemey944
    @jonathaneffemey944 Рік тому

    Thanks for posting.

  • @robertciesluk7207
    @robertciesluk7207 Рік тому

    It was exellent lecture.... Thanks a lot.
    Greetings from Warsaw 🇵🇱

  • @dueldab2117
    @dueldab2117 Рік тому +3

    Used to read your magazine back in my 20’s. So excited to see you have a UA-cam channel! Subbed automatically.

  • @paulburkholder9690
    @paulburkholder9690 Рік тому +2

    I so want to hear Dr. Kotkin lecture in person. He is so reasonable, articulate and humble and of course brilliant.

  • @j.d.snyder4466
    @j.d.snyder4466 Рік тому +4

    Not just brilliant, but profound and insightful, based on a thorough understanding of the historical evidence.

  • @jjforcebreaker
    @jjforcebreaker Рік тому +16

    Hell yes Stephen Kotkin!

  • @dabbyj509
    @dabbyj509 Рік тому +1

    Thanks Stephen for us for the update much appreciated 👍

  • @2Oldcoots
    @2Oldcoots Рік тому

    WOW!! Thank You Sirs for so much insight and information!!!

  • @CatalystD9
    @CatalystD9 Рік тому +4

    Another Clear Concise exploration of Geopolitics for the People .. Thank You 🙏

  • @frankshifreen
    @frankshifreen Рік тому +3

    Great analysis-deep understanding

  • @tobyblur
    @tobyblur Рік тому

    Excellent. Please do more.

  • @susanbalog8355
    @susanbalog8355 Рік тому +1

    excellent as always...

  • @thusspokezarathustra
    @thusspokezarathustra Рік тому +13

    Absolutely brilliant situational overview, executed with flawless insight only a scholar such as Stephen Kotkin could muster.

  • @ridethecurve55
    @ridethecurve55 Рік тому

    Anything Stephen Kotkin and I'm There. He's the sharpest, most insightful person on Russian geopolitics. Thank you for this updated perspective, Dr. Kotkin!

  • @iandeeming2654
    @iandeeming2654 Рік тому +5

    This interview was fantastic thank you. I'll be looking for more from Stephen Kotkin.

  • @Giorg189
    @Giorg189 Рік тому

    How dare you make such good interviews that I see a static picture for 40 minutes and cannot get away just because I want to listen to the next what the guest has to say.

  • @yuglesstube
    @yuglesstube Рік тому +1

    Its also true that the West got a lot wrong about Russia. They have been far more resilient than we expected.

  • @thegeneralist7527
    @thegeneralist7527 Рік тому

    I admire Dr Kotkin thoughtful analysis.

  • @tylerrichards6456
    @tylerrichards6456 Рік тому +1

    Stephen Kotkin is just amazing

  • @Sirinwara
    @Sirinwara Рік тому +4

    Holy hell
    I have been having a subscription for the Foreign Affairs journal for 4-5 years now but I was completely unaware that they have podcasts haha
    It's of high quality btw
    Kotkin seems to be an incredibly thorough and well-read man.

  • @clairebaum
    @clairebaum Рік тому +7

    A brilliant lecture !Thank you for this

  • @malikshabazz2065
    @malikshabazz2065 Рік тому +1

    this is great!

  • @vman505
    @vman505 Рік тому

    Thank you for putting deep perspective on this critical topic.

  • @TheRamsesII
    @TheRamsesII 10 місяців тому +2

    So, Kotkin finally addresses the views from the other side with an argument that still dismisses the views from the other side.

  • @marcoarteaga1010
    @marcoarteaga1010 10 місяців тому

    God bless Mr.Kotkin, thank you FA for the content…..just gained a new subscriber here

  • @comradem0lotov
    @comradem0lotov Рік тому +1

    I found myself both agreeing and disagreeing with Mr. Kotkin. I am indebted to him for his monumental work on Stalin and the USSR, which will stand the test of time.

  • @charleshouser3123
    @charleshouser3123 11 місяців тому

    Excellent on many levels. Thanks.

  • @Stickyman61
    @Stickyman61 Рік тому +1

    Lovely. Great speaker.

  • @junopuno7011
    @junopuno7011 Рік тому +2

    He is really good, if not very very good, excellent interview.

  • @PaulineCook-fy5po
    @PaulineCook-fy5po Рік тому

    Thanks, very insightful.

  • @FrankFaulkner-qf8cb
    @FrankFaulkner-qf8cb Рік тому +2

    Excellent

  • @sorbethyena3828
    @sorbethyena3828 Рік тому +1

    more Mr. Kotkin, nice

  • @MultiCappie
    @MultiCappie Рік тому

    I think Kotkin communicates in a very good way for me to understand.

  • @W.Khairi
    @W.Khairi Рік тому +1

    Quite an insightful insight, Thank u.

  • @garyeuscher4499
    @garyeuscher4499 Рік тому +1

    Where is the third Volume Mr.Kotkin??

  • @rodolfofernandez9174
    @rodolfofernandez9174 Рік тому +1

    Great analysis!!!

  • @peterfrankiewicz9379
    @peterfrankiewicz9379 Рік тому +1

    Thanks.

  • @unfixablegop
    @unfixablegop Рік тому +4

    "Systems select their leaders" - excellent.

  • @en7814
    @en7814 Рік тому +1

    god bless stephen kotkin

  • @Bughisteine
    @Bughisteine 11 місяців тому +2

    You got to hand it to Stephen Kotkin. He's dazzling us with his wisdom, knowledge, and insight on Russia, Stalin, and the USSR and doing a perfect impression of Joe Pesci at the same time. What a legend!

  • @DardanRamabaja
    @DardanRamabaja Рік тому +1

    He is great allways 🙏

  • @steveclemons8191
    @steveclemons8191 11 місяців тому +4

    I’ve heard Stephen Kotkin, mentioned by others as someone who really understands Russia. I considered reading a or some of his books, but never did. I thoroughly loved this interview. I am sold on the statement that he is a man who understands more than most others that I’ve heard speak.
    One thing that really impressed me about him in this interview is his ability to admit that he was wrong before on some things. How often do we hear experts say that? I am interested in the truth not the “party line” which ever side of issues one might come down on. It’s his willingness to say I was wrong on x, y, or z that makes me believe that he is also more interested in the truth than just promoting his own image or agenda. That seems in my experience to be very rare. After this interview I will look more into Stephen Kotkin’s words that he has said and written in the past. He was very impressive here. (At least to me as someone who knows a LOT less than he does in this area).

  • @Kissypooh
    @Kissypooh 11 місяців тому +3

    Spectacular commentary, that is as relevant today (a year after this interview was conducted) as it was a year ago.

  • @ChrisSmith74627
    @ChrisSmith74627 Рік тому +1

    There is only 1 Stephen Kotkin

  • @recherche4528
    @recherche4528 10 місяців тому +1

    “Riveting three volume biography of Stalin”? The third book on Stalin is not out yet. It doesn’t come out until February 2024.

  • @kwesikwansakennedy2196
    @kwesikwansakennedy2196 Рік тому +4

    Excellent commentary, Mr Kotkin!

  • @nakshatraroy7442
    @nakshatraroy7442 Рік тому +2

    Dr. Kotkin is very knowledgeable and by listening to him one learns a lot.

  • @vijjreddy
    @vijjreddy 9 місяців тому +2

    Philosophical arguments aside, if you see how many accords Russia violated and how many NATO violated - that gives the answer. No need to go into 19th, 18th or 10th century - which can only extend the words which have no meaning, plus you hardly have any idea of what happened in 10th century

  • @MichaelBrueckner
    @MichaelBrueckner Рік тому +2

    Stephen Kotkin is always good choice for an interview.

  • @leeming1317
    @leeming1317 Рік тому +2

    15:00 I love how blunt he is here

  • @elishevajones6730
    @elishevajones6730 Рік тому

    Dr. Kotkin is brilliant in his understanding of communist regimes and strategy. Kudos.

  • @murryrozansky8753
    @murryrozansky8753 Рік тому +2

    Hi. Dr. K, vol. of Stalin, when?

  • @gladkal3202
    @gladkal3202 Рік тому +4

    Beautiful analysis. Very well articulated. Thank u. Keep it up