Great coverage Jason. They have been lucky so far. No loads on their side & most important no injuries to crew. Hope they are able to fix their track issues. Not going to be easy .
Great jobs with these derailment videos. Love short line activity and this is icing on the cake. I'm a Mod for Virtual Railfan, mostly at the Flagstaff AZ and Belen NM cameras. Southern Transcon mainline stuff . Watched your videos before, so now I subscribed. Stay warm and good luck with your channel.
I have enjoyed these videos! I grew up on W. Fleshiem, and delivered the News on W. Fleshiem. I used to drop a paper, then cross the tracks back by "the curve" then go up the hill from that crossing. So many good memories!
that wood took a long time to pass your homestead photo perch ! Thanks for the posting of this event . An event you always wish to catch , but feel bad when it does. 🙏
Nicely done Jason. Yes, those will need complete inspection before released on the national network. Obvious based on the first car as you noted. Dragging equipment will not cut it Thx for the coverage!
One of those cars has a bent brake rod. It was broken off, and dragging, and when the engine reversed, it caught on a tie and was bent. I yelled at the crew, but they did not stop in time. I do not know how critical that part was, and perhaps they fixed it already; but a 1" rod bent into a U is gonna be tough to un bend.
No rail can be bent. As you spike it in. But if you put cold rail in and don't heat stress it especially on a curve it might be too much steel. They would fix it now but you might have a crazy video in the summer. Rail kink, I hope not. They have a machine that is just on a small flat car that can spin on its own jack. It has propane tanks and can heat the rail and make it run. Look for it. They will only put oneclip in ten to do that i think. They use clips or spikes on replacements? They will need new ties. hulcher mught replace those trucks on the smart siding in the siding! Nice video.
A couple of great vids Jason - I think that curve will need to be completely relaid [or should be] and this time on a much stronger bed than appears to be the case in the first vid, where someone with a blower could just remove all the rubbish to get to the bottom, needs a firmer base without doubt
Hey Jason !!! If you watch some of the RR Rail construction videos, they show how to bend the rails to fit the curve using the tie plates to hold the rail in place & Spiked down !! Thanks again for the videos & your time to do them !!! How's the rock sales going ??? 👍👍👍👍👍
Track is not pre curved, it is straight sticks of rail and is worked over and spiked as they go. No doubt some rail will need to be replaced, and definitely A CRAP TON of ties also.
That would be all new rail and crossties and mainly going across the road like that that have to dig the road up. That's a major operation. I've seen it done
Thank you for anouncing the MEGA-LOG HAULERS. Always a fun experience. I am expecting you to keep up to date how the track work is going. 122 thousand pounds, with or without the green Freddy? 😄 Really appreciated you sticking with it and sharing with us. 👍
A thought: If LP wants rail service, it should lease the portion of the line which carries its products, witha maintenance obligation. Then, it can invest in track restoration and get the right to a tax deduction for the repair costs or the depreciation.
Total capacity of center beams are 223200 lbs (111.6 tons), as stenciled. I'm not saying they are loaded to capacity. However, the crane picked up only one end, which is far from total weight of the car. These cars fully loaded are closer to 90 to 100 tons each.
I am quite surprised ELS shunted with the 5 cars that derailed as after they are put back on the tracks, CN, CP and NBSR take to shop or nearest siding. We got extreme rain and wind on the 11th then turning bitter cold on 13th..
The other issue here is location. In the north, you can have deep freeze, hot summers, freezing by night and warmth by day. The temp swings, freezing and thaw cyles wreak havoc on railroads!
Well, it's really obvious that ELS doesn't have a preventative mow program and is always waiting for something to happen and only then makes repairs to the tracks and other equipment too!!
The short line on which I worked was a Conrail line. It had a derailment a week. Conrail sold the line to the owner of a track repair/installation company. Soon, the derailments stopped.
Curved track and straight track use the same rail. The rail is flexible enough to bend around the curve. They do have a hardened rail for curves which helps it wear better but i doubt they use it.
Nice and slow motion...not another derailment !! It´s simply luck, that the train reaches its destination ! This railroad would be shut down in Germany, no chance ! Fixing the track is wrong, better rebuilding completely !!
I just can't believe how tracks are waved on that railroad. What kind of bedrock is underneath the track ballast ? If it's a clay soil deposit, I get why trackage is so bad and that there are frequent derailments. Pretty much like Jell-O !
Not anymore. 20 years ago they could have taken their original main line from channing to escanaba and around but that's been out of service since 2006ish.
Unlike the CN, CPKS, UP, NS, or BNSF, the ELS does not run multiple trains on a subdivision daily. They will run trains when they have cars to go somewhere. The ELS tends to run two crews, one each on the north/south section of the railroad and will run north on one day and south the next. But, due to traffic needs, anything can happen. The crews will tie down where they are at when they become outlaw due to time, and may not go back to work for two or three days. It's an odd railroad and that is part of its charm. On most railroads, you can put a chair anywhere and see action soon. Not so with the ELS, you can go days/weeks without any meaningful action.
@@thomasboese3793 "and may not go back to work for two or three day" - Where is the crew these two or three days? Are they delivered to their homes or put up in a hotel? I'm just curious, please explain.
@@AlexKhvedor I do not know how the ELS does this part of the business. The WC Ltd back in the day ran crews home via taxi until they got their act together. Back in the 50s, the MILW still put people up in hotels if needed. Every railroad has its set of rules to handle outlawed crews and to transport/put up overnight. You would need to get your hands on an employee handbook for the railroad you want to learn about.
Well we can't put the blame on the mega log hauler or even an icy flange as the train was mostly passed that point. Now comes the tricky part. Will they do the car repairs on this siding or limp them down to Pembine? It'll be a real moment of frustration if they have to transload a car as you need flat land on both sides for a forklift. This will be truly a day by day basis
Doesn’t look like the track is maintained at all. The movement of the cars shows it. I’m surprised LP would think they can support movement of their product.
Reminds me of when the freight operator on the line used by the museum for which I volunteered. There was a freight derailment, and CSX sent an engine and crew to pull the cars still on the rails off the road crossings. When we put the train back together after th track was repaired, we discovered that the CSX crew set NO handbrake on any of the 3 cuts of cars.
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I enjoy your videos, especially this one. I live in Detroit, but have family in Iron Mountain & Kingsford.
Great video. I couldn't believe they were all out there working with the crane extended above them and they weren't wearing hard hats.
I don't think hard hats would help..
Great coverage Jason. They have been lucky so far. No loads on their side & most important no injuries to crew. Hope they are able to fix their track issues. Not going to be easy .
Keep us Posted Jason. Great video.
Wow! Excellent catching all the trains, I like them, they're awesome, @jasonasselin, thank you very much and have a nice day and night.
Great 2 part video -- fun and educational all at the same time!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome you covering that crossing. Dont think you ever had before..👍
Great jobs with these derailment videos. Love short line activity and this is icing on the cake. I'm a Mod for Virtual Railfan, mostly at the Flagstaff AZ and Belen NM cameras. Southern Transcon mainline stuff . Watched your videos before, so now I subscribed. Stay warm and good luck with your channel.
Awesome, thanks for subscribing!
I really enjoy your videos ! Slow going in the North is great ! Thanks !
I have enjoyed these videos! I grew up on W. Fleshiem, and delivered the News on W. Fleshiem. I used to drop a paper, then cross the tracks back by "the curve" then go up the hill from that crossing. So many good memories!
Thanks for sharing part 2 🚂
Very interesting video. Those kinds of derailments are easy fixes, as the cars don't go everywhere, but stay close to the r ails.
Yeah. This one was a good one.
that wood took a long time to pass your homestead photo perch ! Thanks for the posting of this event . An event you always wish to catch , but feel bad when it does. 🙏
Thanks for your time recording this. Not something we see every day.
Very interesting video Jason. Thanks for braving the cold to get it for us!
That’s one heck of a zoom you got on that camera…I’ll bet if you point it south you could see me waving from my roof 😀
Very nice videos Jason. Us railroad geeks enjoy this stuff. They have a lot of work to do on those tracks.
I wouldn't miss ELS shenanigans ever! Seeing all that siding, I'm wondering if they're shutting down between Christmas and New Years.
They are now !! lol
Will take weeks to repair track !!
Super video thanks Jason
Nicely done Jason. Yes, those will need complete inspection before released on the national network. Obvious based on the first car as you noted. Dragging equipment will not cut it
Thx for the coverage!
Hopefully no more derailments on train with a green freddy on the back ,thanks Jason !
Thanks for the video, buddy! Keep it up...
Very cool video!
Another great looking video. Crisp images.
Good to see them back up and running. I dont wish those kinds of problems on any railroad.
One of those cars has a bent brake rod. It was broken off, and dragging, and when the engine reversed, it caught on a tie and was bent. I yelled at the crew, but they did not stop in time. I do not know how critical that part was, and perhaps they fixed it already; but a 1" rod bent into a U is gonna be tough to un bend.
Yes. Great explanation. Thank you
I always find your videos interesting
No rail can be bent. As you spike it in. But if you put cold rail in and don't heat stress it especially on a curve it might be too much steel. They would fix it now but you might have a crazy video in the summer. Rail kink, I hope not. They have a machine that is just on a small flat car that can spin on its own jack. It has propane tanks and can heat the rail and make it run. Look for it. They will only put oneclip in ten to do that i think. They use clips or spikes on replacements? They will need new ties. hulcher mught replace those trucks on the smart siding in the siding!
Nice video.
A couple of great vids Jason - I think that curve will need to be completely relaid [or should be] and this time on a much stronger bed than appears to be the case in the first vid, where someone with a blower could just remove all the rubbish to get to the bottom, needs a firmer base without doubt
Great video
I would think they will have to replace the rails in that area if they have been twisted by the derailment
Hey Jason !!! If you watch some of the RR Rail construction videos, they show how to bend the rails to fit the curve using the tie plates to hold the rail in place & Spiked down !! Thanks again for the videos & your time to do them !!! How's the rock sales going ??? 👍👍👍👍👍
I remember old timers on my railroad using blocks of wood to rerail cars !😂😂😂
To make a quick fix, they might bring in sectional track that is already curved to that radius. Great job on the video Jason!
Track is not pre curved, it is straight sticks of rail and is worked over and spiked as they go.
No doubt some rail will need to be replaced, and definitely A CRAP TON of ties also.
Good videos Jason. Hope you get some footage of the track repairs. I wonder what was dragging. Maybe a future problem? LOL
at 1:32 ..... That would make a beautiful picture!!! 👍
Nice job
That would be all new rail and crossties and mainly going across the road like that that have to dig the road up. That's a major operation. I've seen it done
the way them cars are moving about i would say another derailment is not far away.
I have the same thoughts!🤝
Thank you for anouncing the MEGA-LOG HAULERS. Always a fun experience. I am expecting you to keep up to date how the track work is going. 122 thousand pounds, with or without the green Freddy? 😄 Really appreciated you sticking with it and sharing with us. 👍
122K pounds on each end... Woooofff!
You know those angled parts you see on many turnouts to hold the rail?… well railroads should use some on curved rail to avoid roll out.
You mean like how they use old lights of rail on the insides over bridges and such? Or they can just fix the damn rails lol
A thought: If LP wants rail service, it should lease the portion of the line which carries its products, witha maintenance obligation. Then, it can invest in track restoration and get the right to a tax deduction for the repair costs or the depreciation.
Or for a fraction of the price they can just keep paying someone else to handle it all.
61 Tons wow 😮
Total capacity of center beams are 223200 lbs (111.6 tons), as stenciled. I'm not saying they are loaded to capacity. However, the crane picked up only one end, which is far from total weight of the car. These cars fully loaded are closer to 90 to 100 tons each.
Tracks already repaired ?? I wonder why they derailed in wintertime.. Thanks for this update ! Greetings from Germany !
I enjoy that video👍👍
Used to live by bnsf rail line I have seen them turn around rail in 48 hours.
Can you get some footage of the track being repaired ?
I like to see MW Equip or possibly they are doing it all by backhoe and small machines.
I am quite surprised ELS shunted with the 5 cars that derailed as after they are put back on the tracks, CN, CP and NBSR take to shop or nearest siding. We got extreme rain and wind on the 11th then turning bitter cold on 13th..
This was the nearest siding.
good train video
All rail is made straight they bend them to make curves, they will straighten by themselves if spikes are pulled.
Mega cold air coming your way & snow.? Whops
U should have ask the crane operator how much he gets paid per hour to that so every time there is a dm it cost the company .
They forced the rail into the curve spiking ass it gos watch that's railroading with Dave.
Rail can be bent; unless steel company has exactly what is needed. Worst part is digging up frozen ballast. That’s tough.
I'm curious if the FRA has ever inspected this company and taken a thorough look at it's operations.
Too small class three
@tomroise9426 They will if they dump a tank of petrochemicals on its side instead of lumber cars that stay upright
They do inspect them. I am guessing this is all excepted track so it fits into those regulations.
Did you see 501 bounce after going across that crossing?
Nice Train Videos
You bet!
Oh and don't worry, the heavy cars help tamp the tracks on their own!
244,000# is 5.4 semi loads.
are they finally going to maintain the tracks?
Certainly you jest
The other issue here is location. In the north, you can have deep freeze, hot summers, freezing by night and warmth by day. The temp swings, freezing and thaw cyles wreak havoc on railroads!
They can bring in sections of rail pre spiked and just drop it in a section of old rail cut out and removed. Weld the new section in and there you go.
Thats some bad track 😮
Makes you wonder when was the last time that they had tamped the rails and reballasted them?
I don’t believe that those words are even in their vocabulary.
@TruthProvider Have to agree with you.
Quite recently actually, around 1960. Just kidding
Might wanna put ties in first !
Sometime between ww2 and Vietnam.
Well, it's really obvious that ELS doesn't have a preventative mow program and is always waiting for something to happen and only then makes repairs to the tracks and other equipment too!!
It's a new way of doing things, it's called reactionary maintenance 😉
@@sc0tte1-416 true
I worked for a short line company that only fixed track when absolutely necessary or when we got grant money.
The short line on which I worked was a Conrail line. It had a derailment a week. Conrail sold the line to the owner of a track repair/installation company. Soon, the derailments stopped.
Some of Union Pacific Main Lines are not much better
Beginning of winter and beginning of spring are the time for derailments
I like the stack and let the CN yard in Green Bay fix order method. That's what I would do.
They block their trains in Crivitz for delivery @ NGB.
@BudmanPackfan, that makes sense.
Curved track and straight track use the same rail. The rail is flexible enough to bend around the curve. They do have a hardened rail for curves which helps it wear better but i doubt they use it.
If I were this railroads customer, i'd tell them, "fix your tracks or I'm switching to trucks."
Then the cost of shipping would go through the roof. Would customers pay the high cost?
Why? If the product is damaged the railroad is liable. The siding being shipped isn’t time sensitive, so it doesn’t really matter.
Well, ee shall see, how long until the next derailment will be
If they went cwr it would bend easily around that curve. Continuous welded rail
24:57 no Jason straight rails will bend around a curve.. rails flex..
Think about a long welded rail train going round a curve - rail bends vertically, but I don't think it does horizontally.
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Is the rest of the cars on the alter metal siding?
That spur is the wrong way (Alter Metal)
Jason are you going into Iron Mountain to see how the track repair is comong along.
That would sure suck (for them) if those 5 cars derailed again as they were shoving them back...
Do you ever look at the tracks to see how old they are.
Great saga! What do the rails at the point of derailment look like?
Outside rail is rolled over.
Have they found the reason for the derailment?
You can tell from the videos they rolled a rail. That’s normally caused by rotten ties.
Do they have alternate rails so they can go around the bad tracks?
No. For the most part, the ELS is single-tracked.
Nice and slow motion...not another derailment !! It´s simply luck, that the train reaches its destination ! This railroad would be shut down in Germany, no chance ! Fixing the track is wrong, better rebuilding completely !!
The track fits the FRA’s excepted category. 10 mph or less it’s fine.
they're being slow with them so i assume they consider them risky (until inspected/tested)
Yard Forman in the black pick em up truck?
What is the clicking noise on the blue locomotive?
mechanism that removes condensation from the air brakes
I just can't believe how tracks are waved on that railroad. What kind of bedrock is underneath the track ballast ? If it's a clay soil deposit, I get why trackage is so bad and that there are frequent derailments. Pretty much like Jell-O !
Is there another way they can bypass iron mountain and get to there destination
Not anymore. 20 years ago they could have taken their original main line from channing to escanaba and around but that's been out of service since 2006ish.
@ thanks
Was there any track repair between yesterday and today?
How many trains typically use this track?
The use it all the time
Unlike the CN, CPKS, UP, NS, or BNSF, the ELS does not run multiple trains on a subdivision daily. They will run trains when they have cars to go somewhere. The ELS tends to run two crews, one each on the north/south section of the railroad and will run north on one day and south the next. But, due to traffic needs, anything can happen. The crews will tie down where they are at when they become outlaw due to time, and may not go back to work for two or three days. It's an odd railroad and that is part of its charm. On most railroads, you can put a chair anywhere and see action soon. Not so with the ELS, you can go days/weeks without any meaningful action.
@@thomasboese3793 "and may not go back to work for two or three day" - Where is the crew these two or three days? Are they delivered to their homes or put up in a hotel? I'm just curious, please explain.
@@AlexKhvedor I do not know how the ELS does this part of the business. The WC Ltd back in the day ran crews home via taxi until they got their act together. Back in the 50s, the MILW still put people up in hotels if needed. Every railroad has its set of rules to handle outlawed crews and to transport/put up overnight. You would need to get your hands on an employee handbook for the railroad you want to learn about.
@@thomasboese3793 Thank you!
Well we can't put the blame on the mega log hauler or even an icy flange as the train was mostly passed that point. Now comes the tricky part. Will they do the car repairs on this siding or limp them down to Pembine? It'll be a real moment of frustration if they have to transload a car as you need flat land on both sides for a forklift. This will be truly a day by day basis
Doesn’t look like the track is maintained at all. The movement of the cars shows it. I’m surprised LP would think they can support movement of their product.
When did 1221 get that big dent in it's fuel tank ?
Hmmm. Spend 5 mill in track maintenance or 7.5 annually to put on derailments.....
$$ on maintenance in this Gordon Gekko era? Not hardly!
watching from Syracuse NY
Jason, how did they get the locomotives from the front end of the train, when it derailed, to the back when the were pulling the cars the next day?
They parked their train in the siding in this video. That's why they were picking these cars up.
They didn't switch sides.
Did they even set a hand brake?
Reminds me of when the freight operator on the line used by the museum for which I volunteered. There was a freight derailment, and CSX sent an engine and crew to pull the cars still on the rails off the road crossings. When we put the train back together after th track was repaired, we discovered that the CSX crew set NO handbrake on any of the 3 cuts of cars.
@@erie910 CSX - Crash, Smash/Spill, Xplode
I agree with the person who is driving the train
How many tracks are back there? What's going on in town on the damaged rails?
There was a derailment in town.
A single 4,600 ft double end siding.
They need to take better care of the rail system
Do ya think, that outfit must have a shoestring budget.
East Kingsford the charcoal place?
YAS rail is more feexabal then you think !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
I used to do MOW for Union Pacific and I can say your correct