I can’t get past the way she smiled in court like killing her children meant absolutely nothing to her. They’re both very disturbing people. Vile and disgusting wastes of oxygen.
Of course it was nothing to her. She made that clear by disposing those kids like trash and living her happy little life with that other sick bastard who she married.
Yep ur right, and I cannot stand the way Ashleigh Banfield speaks to us like were little children, sayin "itty bitty - teeny weeny " and "fingy prints" , and "liar liar pants on fire" !! Wtf were not 5 year olds.. smh🙄
Yes absolutely she knows more. But Alex Cox saw himself as a Mormon prophet. He heartlessly killed a little boy and numerous others. And the worst part is C and L will blame 100% on him
It was the same day Chad shot his gun off so Chad hasn't got much of a chance to get off with this murder, even with Alex being there. I fully believe Alex was there both times the kids were brought to Chad's by him...
Excatly, not to mention Lori could have had a phone in Alex's name, it's already been proven she had 3 phones. The Murder of her own children is horrible enough but they way they disrespected her Daughter's body is so diabolical and then bury her in a pet cemetery speaks volumes of evil, it's unforgivable for what these selfish pigs did to all of the people they ounce claimed to love. Lori our God is a God of love, you never have fellowed our God, your God is of Hate and lies !!
Many more what? Victims? I am not aware there are any other missing people involved in their Sick plans Are there still people missing we don't know about?
@Frank the Landlords' Side Chick In the world? Yes connected with this psychotic False Prophet Chad Daybell? I don't think so I think we would have heard about any possibilities concerning that with all the investigations into him and Lori and their Cult members
I don't think she did the dirty job. She was having breakfast with her guests while Chad and Alex did. I believe they suffocated JJ with that plastic and duck tape right there in Chad's place, before Chad finished the deed.
I don’t think they are legally married. There was no marriage license. They probably knew it was only a matter of time before one of them would kill the other for insurance money.
Justin Coffman it definitely won’t. The problem with the Casey Anthony case, is that the prosecution could not without doubt, prove how little Caylee died. We all know that Casey murdered her....don’t we? Or, did she die after being drugged to sleep? And Casey panicked? The prosecution threw the DP onto the table and they didn’t have any forensic evidence to put Casey even as the person who wrapped the duct tape around her face. The wet conditions that Caylee was found in had degraded any and all DNA that would have been saved on the tape. This case is different. JJ was wrapped up and buried, so preserved the evidence. By wrapping a body, you also inhibit decomposition, which is valuable to prosecutors. Btw...I believe Casey Anthony to be 100% guilty. But, legally, the prosecution had little to actually prove Casey was even there when Caylee died. That’s true.
All of this is old information and people still do it regularly in their crimes. They panic and need to ditch the bodies quickly so they don't think or know what else to do.
These cases are just so sad in so many different ways but I just want to compliment these 2 on how well they work together and interact with one another on all these cases. I really enjoy watching and hearing what they both have to say about what's going on with the doomsday case as well as other cases.
I couldn’t agree more! I love watching these two. I’m from Australia so I don’t get court tv (unless it’s just a UA-cam channel) lol 😂 I really enjoy them both telling each other what they believe even if They don’t think the same.
Because Chad Daybell knows everything he's been teaching to Lori, Melanie P, Melanie G and Alex is all bullshit. He knows the world isn't going to end in July. He just used those "teachings" to get rid of Lori's kids and his wife Tammy. Remember he also said he could go into his closet and go through portals to different dimensions. Lol If that were true why did his lawyer try so hard to get him a bond that he could afford. It's all BULLSHIT
Carolee Jones I have wondered why we allow people to make predictions for the end of the world inside buildings designed to exist beyond the expiration date of earth. In other words, if the end is imminent, 2 years, preach that garbage from a tent. Seven years, mud and grass hut.
Aside: If Casey Anthony's story was to be believed; that the baby ACCIDENTLY drown in the family pool, why was duct tape placed around the child's nose and mouth after the fact? You don't need to cover a baby's mouth or nose if they were already dead. You put the tape over a nose and mouth to cease breathing and muffle sound and prevent sounds from coming from the mouth.
I always felt that Casey used Chloroform on Caylee, to have her sleep and put duct tape on her mouth in case she woke up. Then she put her in the trunk of the car and went partying. She used too much Chloroform and when she went back, Caylee was dead.
@@1whocs486 not true. It's the prosecution's fault for over charging her. They knew going into the trial they couldn't explain "how" Caylee died. You have to prove intent for 1st degree murder. If you can't explain how, then you can't prove intent. Period. The jury was following the law.
Jurors -- people just like you and me -- made the call. Don't blame the lawyer for doing his job, blame the half-educated, gullible public. They think with their emotions rather than their brains, and Baez played them like a fiddle.
HJNTX the prosecution couldn’t prove how she died. And, they went for the DP. If you can’t absolutely pinpoint cause of death, you leave reasonable doubt for some. Personally, I would have at least found her guilty of second degree, AT LEAST. But, when you throw the DP out there and you have, particularly men, on the jury of a young mother....it makes it tougher to get a conviction. The prosecution could not prove that Caylee didn’t drown and Casey panicked, and dumped her body. It’s incredibly frustrating, but that the truth.
There will be finger prints, at least Chad's and Alex's. But Lori was keeping company to her guests in that morning while Alex was in Chad's house so most probably there is no her fingerprints.
Apparently, they were given misinformation on what exactly was required to give a guilty verdict. A few of jurors said that in interviews after the fact. They knew she was guilty but thought that circumstantial evidence wasn’t good enough. 🤦🏼♀️
@@coloradocapricorn4086 thank you! You are exactly right. They are blaming the jury when the blame should be on the prosecution solely for over charging.
I'm a landscaper soil settles about 1 inch per ft even if hand tempted down. The rocks wouldn't prevent that. However, the rocks would keep an animal from digging up the remains.
David good point! Especially where Chads house was located, that land definitely had raccoons, coyotes etc coming in! I didn’t think about that at all!
@@ukmedicfrcs well it rains there so that would be enough. It doesn't take much. The soil has a lot of gaps in it. Even a patio pad is only around 97% compaction and it will settle and or heave if done wrong. Short of building on bedrock your gonna deal with settling.
Yea but chad definitely helped dispose the body. I think alex shot tylee at the farm (that’s why chad specifically said he shot a raccoon incase his neighbors asked why there was a gun shot heard) and chad helped dismembered Her body and burned. It takes apparently takes about 40 hours to burn a body they got inpatient and just buried her body in the pet cemetery. I think JJ was killed at alex’s house and chad had the hole dug and they sloppily just covered his body.
I think chad used Alex to get loti to himself. He had Alex kill everyone and then the only person that was close to her that was still alive was Alex. Soooo it was Alex’s turn to go!
Also, He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses AND renounces them finds mercy. --read Proverbs 28 And, Acquitting the guilty AND condemning the innocent-- the Lord detests them both. -- read Proverbs 17
They used religion to justify murdering these kids, their spouses, and lord knows who else so they would be together and obtain wealth. Chad has never been contacted by any God or messenger 😂 Cases like this pull people away from religion and God.
EXCELLENT team coverage of this heart wrenching much too real story! Every one has done an awesome job keeping us well informed!! Bless Tylee and JJ...We pray we see prosecution of their mom, Chad, and anyone else involved! Thank you for the coverage.
That we know of. 😉 Wouldn't it be interesting to find that the niece Melanie, has/had the remaining of the roll??????? And PD has already recovered it. 👍
If people have to go this far to prove the guilt and innocence of people like this, how do innocent people serve decades sometimes in prison for things they didn't do. They had to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Lori or Chad or Alex whoever killed those kids and sometimes even then (OJ\Casey) the people that do it get off on a technicality. Help.
Alot of the cases where someone was convicted and sentenced to prison were at times when forensic evidence was just beginning. Back in the 80s and before. They didn't have DNA testing nor a finger print data base to use. Forensic pathology was sometimes performed by an assistant to the medical examiner, and many mistakes were made. . Detectives would rely on witness statements and the statement of the person being questioned in the crime. Also there are just corrupt detectives. It's pretty rare but it does happen. Sad to say.
Ashley, I would've never figured out why there were items beneath the body. I thought maybe those items had been used in the murder. Excellent reporting! 👍
These people are so evil. I will never understand how someone can murder a child. Poor little J. J. and Tylee. Had their little lives stolen from monsters.
You guys do such a great job drawing parallels in cases and bringing meaning to evidence between cases. It’s always a pleasure to learn something new from you both every time you bring us information about a case. I also enjoy your discussions together, because I can always relate to everything you guys are saying. Thanks Vinnie and Ashley for doing a great job each and every day!
"Not Guilty" does NOT mean "Innocent." All a Judge or Jury is required to assess is whether someone being charged with a crime has been shown by a preponderance of evidence that surpasses a reasonable doubt of a finding of guilt. There is only ever one of two options; either the person did it or they didn't. But nobody is required to prove somebody is innocent, only that guilt beyond a reasonable doubt couldn't be established. It's where people get all crazy and start believing allegations mean guilt, by default. For all anyone REALLY knows Chad and Lori could have had NOTHING to do with the murders at all. (As unlikely as that seems.) Presumption of innocence is SO difficult sometime, especially when most of the circumstantial evidence is so seemingly overwhelming. I agree about Casey Anthony, that she did something stupid resulting in the death of her daughter, and her stupidity caused her to lie repeatedly, try covering what she'd done up by staging a homicide, instead of facing the consequences for the accident she doubtlessly caused, and with that in mind I'm compelled to suggest everyone maintain some semblance of patience for the process in regards to the Vallow/Daybell case. Because, it could turn out that we had it ALL wrong the whole time. It's better to not be married to an idea or belief, we look FAR less stupid that way in hindsight.
The bad thing here is, even if Alex wrapped the body, if they don't know how JJ died Alex may be blamed for it all. I mean Lori could very well have poisoned either kids etc..before their bodies were "dealt with". Its all so horrible and sad.
This approach of vibrant dialogues between passionate specialists, often referring current cases to previous ones and their outcomes, is soooo wildly informative and entertaining; Court TV's team, you're awesome!!!
I think Lori's brother Alex murdered both kids for Lori and Chad helped him bury them. I cannot fathom how any person can chop up a person's remains. I can't even cut up a whole chicken from market. Alex killed them and the 2 men buried them. They're all nuts. It's a weird religion and Chad added his own weirdness or evil to it.
You guys are great and I thank you for keeping us so up to date on this case. You have fantastic insights and deliver details with compassion and appropriate outrage. I didn’t discover your show till the Lori/Chad cases but if I had to choose anyone to explain any news or court law to me, you’re my first choice! Thank you both so much! Hang in there, this heartless act takes a lot out of a person, protect your hearts! Stay safe, stay healthy!
Love court tv team. Informative, the team shows demonstrate restraint in rendering unspeakable crimes. I like the mix of appropriate personal musings, without being dramatic.
How could somebody kill two children go get married I think there’s nothing wrong with it I’m sorry but I think she to get life in prison just like him
First, the are narcissistic idiots that think they are smarter and better than everyone else. So they had thought that they would cremate Tylee between 9 am and noon so they would be done when Chad's wife Tammy just might come home for lunch. But being idiots they didn't realize it would take at least 24 hours of continuous burning to destroy a body sufficiently. So after two hours of trying to just burn her limbs (see Chad's text referencing limb debris) they knew it would not work. So they just buried the rest of her. When they murdered JJ a few weeks later they knew burning does not work and so they just shrouded him in plastic and duct tape.
I haven't seen Court TV since it was on my Great Grandmother's old school console television, I believe it was the Melendez Brothers trial... Regardless, she had that channel on 24/7 to watch her "programs", hehe! 💗 Now, at 37, I totally understand why she loved it! This is truly amazing content and I'm practically speechless... know that I'm so excited to continue watching these wonderful "programs" and appreciate the fantastic narrative. Thank you!
“Fingie prints” 🙄 she’s the one a few weeks back was playing the “OH GUESS WHAT” game when talking about real people who were murdered. He’s not alone, I’m annoyed too. She needs to grow up.
Aw I just thought it was bc she talked fir more time than ideal bc of format... I think she has some good insight and everyone has their negatives so is it worth it?
She acts strange when describing murders. She said a few days ago the children were rotting in the ground. Is that really necessary? No, it isn’t. She acts like she’s describing someone who said a cuss word in polite company not the brutal murders of children! She has pics of kids behind her. Wonder how she would like hearing those words and more importantly the annoying disrespectful tone she uses if it were her children? Yeah we know the answer.
Ashley is just being sarcastic. He gets that annoyed look when she mentions Casey Anthony because he cant stand Casey. He wont even say her name. I like Ashley.
It makes you sick if someone could do that to two children that we never go to prom we never get married or never will have children I never will be able to Christmas presents or birthday present celebrate Thanksgiving
DA went for 1st degree murder. Jury couldn't deliver as per law, no time or manner of death, jurors said prosecution could not meet the premeditation requirement. Very sad but it's American law 😢
Yes please do that Casey😨😨 jj and Tylee will get justice . They not smiling now and Melanie needs to be investigated to she is doing interviews to cover her involvement PURE EVIL!!
I am so glad that this particular case is going to get the funding to do all that amazing forensics...those beautiful children derserve it. Forensics amazes me. How doggedly some law enforcement agencies can be looking for that critical connecting evidence. It is inspirational to learn so much from your podcasts. Thank you for delving, when others might find themselves having a close personal encounter with the lavoratory...heaving! I start to get dry heaves sometimes when the brutality of the crime is unearthed by forensics....it just scares me and disturbs my sense of safety for all of us.
I am Canadian and we don't have the death penalty. However, I think Lori qualifies to be sentence to death! Chad deserves it as well! Any person that can laugh in court about the heinous crimes makes my skin crawl.
That was a different case they referenced just to give the idea to us people what could happen with tape. The nail polish convicted a lady who murdered her husband.
The test they are referring to is called a diatom test. It's used to determine if a person has drowned. When a body has been drowned diatoms go into the lungs and then are circulated to other internal organs through the individuals circulation. A forensic scientist will extract 100 g of either a tissue sample or bone marrow from a femur still attached to the victim.
I pray these two don't get away w/ all the terrible crimes they've committed... The murders of the children are simply the most tragic, senseless of all the crimes but by far not all encompassing. All their victims deserve justice! Y'all have done an excellent job reporting on this case.
I can't wait for the physical evidence,that duck tape has something on it!!👍🏼💜💙btw I'm from NJ and I lived up the street from that lady(melony hmm that name!) who dismembered her hubby,she lived in the townhouses across from Woodbridge mall,my parents still live there😷😁
Glad I’m not the only one who caught that. She’s the one who was playing the “guess what” game a few videos back 🙄 You’re covering the murders of REAL people- grow up and present it professionally. It’s incredibly offputting to be “baby talked” while listening to these gruesome details.
Thank you SO much for alerting would-be murderers to this knowledge about garbage bags and duct tape that could lead directly to the murderer....now murderers could make SURE in future to avoid this and be more difficult to be caught.
they keep saying he sat in the car in the driveway watching them dig. i see 2 driveways,1 full of cars n trucks the other that's near the house has no view of where there digging?
I don’t think fingerprints are needed at this point. There’s a trail from both of these men to these babies’ bodies. All they need now is a cause of death, MAYBE confessions, but I highly doubt that. I’m interested to see if they’ll turn on each other now ....
In most of our opinions, yes. Guilty at least of conspiracy if not being an accomplice! And/or guilty because his teachings/ideology led others to commit murder...
Where was Chad chinless going to go when he took off? monsters evil diabolical creeps. Did Chad say they were zombies to get rid of these innocent children? So he could have lori all to himself? Why were his kids spared?
Casey Anthony again!! I'm tired of hearing about her. They should put Casey Anthony on the thumb nail. I can't even watch this show again. I came here to hear about JJ Tylee
I truly believe, the day after Casey argued with her mother, she started moving out. I believe she was packing Caylee's things saying "We're leaving; You won't see Nan again". I believe Caylee started crying & saying, "Don't take Nan's sunshine away" over & over. I believe in a moment of anger she got the duct tape & placed it on her face, over her mouth. I believe, she didn't mean to include her nose. It wouldn't have taken long to suffocate. And the lie began.
I think she gave Caylee sleeping pills and then taped her mouth so that she couldn't be heard screaming while she was in the trunk of the "Princess Casey$" car. Then she went into the new boyfriends house and forgot about her daughter. A party girl, I think she got stoned with the boyfriend. I also believe she was relieved of her responsibility of having a child that she didn't want in the first place. Hence, she partied hardy got a tattoo and ran off for a month, before showing up at her parents house and her mom then called the police to say that her granddaughter was missing. Why did she go back to mommy? Casey is out of money and friends to stay with and no car. So to get money, she went home expecting mommy, to hand her cash so she could survive until she ran out of that. She was totally being supported by her parents since she got pregnate with Caylee and before. Casey proved she had no morals or sense of anything, but herself. For all her life! Mother spoiled her with anything she wanted, but when baby came around, Casey was not her parents main focus anymore, Caylee was! This caused her to become a real con, to act out like the immature children who were never taught responsibilities or work ethic. Who think of themselves as entitled. I too thought she would have gotten the death penalty. Oops, it was an accident! BS!!! No, she was tired of her over indulged child, who didn't want to leave the security of grandma and poppa, and most likely screamed and showed her dislike of being with her self absorbed mother. Further, I don't think it was a accident. I think she murdered her daughter because she had no coping skills and a baby who is angry at her mother, is a terror to be around especially when men are arround. I think Casey was tired of it and way too immature to be a mom. She wanted out! She didn't want Caylee around anymore.
They never thought these kids would ever be found. So I hope and Pray they were sloppy and have finger prints all over the bags and tape. And I'd say theres gonna be 3 sets. Lori, Chad, and Alex all 3. All 3 are guilty.
The most disgusting thing about the Anthony trial, besides her being acquitted, is how she blamed her dad for everything. She said he molested her, which was a lie, she said he killed Caylee, which was a lie. She is so gross, and I don't know, as a parent, if I could forgive her for that.
I can't believe Florida allowed Casey Anthony to go free.
Shes not free in her head an she will answer to God
That case is so maddening! I will never understand how the jury didn’t find her guilty. Breaks my heart. Poor caylee
Not Florida, 12 stupid, unprofessional jurors and an evil Defense Lawyer.
It happens. Hell don't forgot California let OJ Simpson go free
She isn't free she's in hiding very much like prison
I'm glad they are piling up evidence on these monsters. I hope they 🔥.
@The Catfather yea and even if Lori says she didn't do it, she knows what it meant to call ppl a zombie bc she called Charles one & he's dead
Not knowing where they were actually killed they should have sealed off the whole property not allowing the daughter to move into the house.
Agreed
Great point
Isn’t there an old closed off well on the property where they could have disposed of the murder weapons?
Cathy Cole I think they had her move in the house because of threats and attempted burglaries...! Brave ...her!
The house may have been turned over to her. She has the rights to be there. That may be all she has left of her mom.
I can’t get past the way she smiled in court like killing her children meant absolutely nothing to her. They’re both very disturbing people. Vile and disgusting wastes of oxygen.
This is what happens when middle-aged people's hormones run rampant...ughhhhhhhh
She’s smiling because she feels she’s above us and godlike. She feels her children are free now. Crazy.
Of course it was nothing to her. She made that clear by disposing those kids like trash and living her happy little life with that other sick bastard who she married.
After all, they *were* zombies.
Deelicious Grapes you’re so right! It’s difficult to even comprehend.
WHAT'S DONE IN THE DARK...COMES TO LIGHT..
Always
Every hardcore fan of Forensic Files know about garbage bags!
Exactly
Love that program. Every item that's manufactured has a unique flaw hidden from the named eye.. forensic science is fascinating!
Love that show!
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Yep ur right, and I cannot stand the way Ashleigh Banfield speaks to us like were little children, sayin "itty bitty - teeny weeny " and "fingy prints" , and "liar liar pants on fire" !! Wtf were not 5 year olds.. smh🙄
Just because Alex’s phone was pinged on the property doesn’t mean HE was there. And I still say the Melanies know more than they are saying.
Especially her niece
Yes absolutely she knows more. But Alex Cox saw himself as a Mormon prophet. He heartlessly killed a little boy and numerous others. And the worst part is C and L will blame 100% on him
It was the same day Chad shot his gun off so Chad hasn't got much of a chance to get off with this murder, even with Alex being there. I fully believe Alex was there both times the kids were brought to Chad's by him...
Excatly, not to mention Lori could have had a phone in Alex's name, it's already been proven she had 3 phones. The Murder of her own children is horrible enough but they way they disrespected her Daughter's body is so diabolical and then bury her in a pet cemetery speaks volumes of evil, it's unforgivable for what these selfish pigs did to all of the people they ounce claimed to love.
Lori our God is a God of love, you never have fellowed our God, your God is of Hate and lies !!
God Will Judge
I would be digging up that entire yard.. Probably many more.
RIP Sweet JJ and Tylee ❤❤
I think all of them are serial killers
Many more what? Victims?
I am not aware there are any other missing people involved in their
Sick plans Are there still people missing we don't know about?
I agree
@Frank the Landlords' Side Chick
In the world?
Yes connected with this psychotic False Prophet Chad Daybell?
I don't think so
I think we would have heard about any possibilities concerning that with all the investigations into him and Lori and their Cult members
I believe they had a cadaver dog out there and they probably trust where he hit and didn't hit.
Love this woman Ashley..she's so smart and sarcastic!
She is
I know right!
except where she was paid by Weinstein to smear his accusers.
She’s really clever and quick! I love her ✨
Hope they left fingerprints on the duct tape or Lori's hairs.
I don't think she did the dirty job. She was having breakfast with her guests while Chad and Alex did. I believe they suffocated JJ with that plastic and duck tape right there in Chad's place, before Chad finished the deed.
Have they released any recording of Chad Daybell calling 911 when he found his wife dead?
They got married so they wouldn't have to testify against each other.
They don't have to, but im hoping someone will want to save themselves, and spills their guts. Or maybe fear of God will compell one of them to talk?
In Idaho if it involves minors the law is void.
They are not married they didn’t file the papers
lilacsNroses fear of God? These 2 monsters don’t know nothing about God
I don’t think they are legally married. There was no marriage license. They probably knew it was only a matter of time before one of them would kill the other for insurance money.
This better not turn into another Casey Anthony case.
Justin Coffman it definitely won’t. The problem with the Casey Anthony case, is that the prosecution could not without doubt, prove how little Caylee died. We all know that Casey murdered her....don’t we? Or, did she die after being drugged to sleep? And Casey panicked?
The prosecution threw the DP onto the table and they didn’t have any forensic evidence to put Casey even as the person who wrapped the duct tape around her face. The wet conditions that Caylee was found in had degraded any and all DNA that would have been saved on the tape. This case is different. JJ was wrapped up and buried, so preserved the evidence. By wrapping a body, you also inhibit decomposition, which is valuable to prosecutors.
Btw...I believe Casey Anthony to be 100% guilty. But, legally, the prosecution had little to actually prove Casey was even there when Caylee died. That’s true.
I hope this doesn't teach people how to commit the perfect murder.
Obviously wasn't perfect. Everyone in the family was suspicious before the kids even disappeared
I guess they could learn from their mistakes, because this was badly done.
All of this is old information and people still do it regularly in their crimes. They panic and need to ditch the bodies quickly so they don't think or know what else to do.
Suzanne Morfeuws husband is working on it.
There's no such thing...
I want to know where Chad was trying to run away to in his car before cops caught him and handcuffed him. Where was he going to??
Some say he was going to turn himself in as he was going towards Rexburg.
At the bond hearing chads lawyer said he was arrested at home without incident and that chad didnt run or flee.
@@Fitbymiranda Needed to go to the bank and to see his beautiful wife Lori..
Prob to do himself in, the coward
Lawyers office
I learned about the trash bag thing on forensic files ALONG time ago
Same!
I literally don’t get what they were saying about the trash bag
Like, these people were armatures. Killing people is bad. But using duck tape is like asking to get caught
These cases are just so sad in so many different ways but I just want to compliment these 2 on how well they work together and interact with one another on all these cases. I really enjoy watching and hearing what they both have to say about what's going on with the doomsday case as well as other cases.
I couldn’t agree more! I love watching these two. I’m from Australia so I don’t get court tv (unless it’s just a UA-cam channel) lol 😂 I really enjoy them both telling each other what they believe even if They don’t think the same.
Why did Chad try to escape the scene? If he truly believes the world is ending in July, he would know this case would never make it to trial.
Because Chad Daybell knows everything he's been teaching to Lori, Melanie P, Melanie G and Alex is all bullshit. He knows the world isn't going to end in July. He just used those "teachings" to get rid of Lori's kids and his wife Tammy. Remember he also said he could go into his closet and go through portals to different dimensions. Lol If that were true why did his lawyer try so hard to get him a bond that he could afford. It's all BULLSHIT
Carolee Jones
I have wondered why we allow people to make predictions for the end of the world inside buildings designed to exist beyond the expiration date of earth.
In other words, if the end is imminent, 2 years, preach that garbage from a tent. Seven years, mud and grass hut.
Well he did get it right. His world ended.
Right these 2 should never see the light of day
I think he panicked when he saw them dig up the remains, and he just tried to get away.
I will never get over how Casey Anthony got off on killing her daughter.
Aside: If Casey Anthony's story was to be believed; that the baby ACCIDENTLY drown in the family pool, why was duct tape placed around the child's nose and mouth after the fact? You don't need to cover a baby's mouth or nose if they were already dead. You put the tape over a nose and mouth to cease breathing and muffle sound and prevent sounds from coming from the mouth.
ONE of the *many* fabrications of that wretch...
Mardi Taylor I don’t believe that story or any of the defense crap
Exactly. Good point.
I always felt that Casey used Chloroform on Caylee, to have her sleep and put duct tape on her mouth in case she woke up. Then she put her in the trunk of the car and went partying. She used too much Chloroform and when she went back, Caylee was dead.
Casey killed her Baby!!! Stupid Jury!
How they acquited her is mind blowing.
That jury had book deals on their minds not justice
@@1whocs486 not true. It's the prosecution's fault for over charging her. They knew going into the trial they couldn't explain "how" Caylee died. You have to prove intent for 1st degree murder. If you can't explain how, then you can't prove intent. Period. The jury was following the law.
It's only "mind blowing" if you don't have an understanding of the law. It makes perfect sense to those who do.
Ashleigh...HOW did that murderer Casey Anthony get by with such an horrific murder? I still cannot believe it!
Jurors -- people just like you and me -- made the call. Don't blame the lawyer for doing his job, blame the half-educated, gullible public. They think with their emotions rather than their brains, and Baez played them like a fiddle.
HJNTX the prosecution couldn’t prove how she died. And, they went for the DP. If you can’t absolutely pinpoint cause of death, you leave reasonable doubt for some. Personally, I would have at least found her guilty of second degree, AT LEAST. But, when you throw the DP out there and you have, particularly men, on the jury of a young mother....it makes it tougher to get a conviction. The prosecution could not prove that Caylee didn’t drown and Casey panicked, and dumped her body. It’s incredibly frustrating, but that the truth.
She was screwing her Attorney for legal fees
Prickly Pear Yes I know. Just have NO idea how anyone with even HALF a brain could have come back with that verdict.
it was money.
The Melanie McGuire still bothers me to this day! I hope Lori's, Chad's and Alex fingerprints and DNA is on them bags and tape!
And Melanie Pawlowski’s DNA. I so badly want to see her go down in flames too. Or at least have Ian divorce her 😂
There will be finger prints, at least Chad's and Alex's. But Lori was keeping company to her guests in that morning while Alex was in Chad's house so most probably there is no her fingerprints.
@@susanna8612 oh no she had little JJ in her room..don't you think she taped him up and then Alex came the next morning to "get" him
Those jurists on Casey Anthony’s case, should be ashamed. 🤬🤬
Apparently, they were given misinformation on what exactly was required to give a guilty verdict. A few of jurors said that in interviews after the fact. They knew she was guilty but thought that circumstantial evidence wasn’t good enough. 🤦🏼♀️
@@coloradocapricorn4086 thank you! You are exactly right. They are blaming the jury when the blame should be on the prosecution solely for over charging.
I'm a landscaper soil settles about 1 inch per ft even if hand tempted down. The rocks wouldn't prevent that. However, the rocks would keep an animal from digging up the remains.
Ty
It depends on the climate. If you're in a drier climate it won't happen at all, if it's a wetter climate it will sink more.
FLORIDA SUCKS THAT IS WHY GO THERE TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER STUDY THAT STATES SUCKS
David good point! Especially where Chads house was located, that land definitely had raccoons, coyotes etc coming in! I didn’t think about that at all!
@@ukmedicfrcs well it rains there so that would be enough. It doesn't take much. The soil has a lot of gaps in it. Even a patio pad is only around 97% compaction and it will settle and or heave if done wrong. Short of building on bedrock your gonna deal with settling.
I wonder when Chad was setting in his car and staring intently at the detectives on his property if he was trying to murder them with his powers?
😂
For sure!
😂. Maybe he was trying to open a portal in his car.
I’m sorry to laugh but you’re funny 🙊😂😂
I laughed
Bet you it's all Alex DNA. That's why he died
They used him and disposed of him like anyone else in their way.
I hope it’s not just his dna. Chad and Lori need more evidence against them.
Yea but chad definitely helped dispose the body. I think alex shot tylee at the farm (that’s why chad specifically said he shot a raccoon incase his neighbors asked why there was a gun shot heard) and chad helped dismembered Her body and burned. It takes apparently takes about 40 hours to burn a body they got inpatient and just buried her body in the pet cemetery. I think JJ was killed at alex’s house and chad had the hole dug and they sloppily just covered his body.
I think chad used Alex to get loti to himself. He had Alex kill everyone and then the only person that was close to her that was still alive was Alex. Soooo it was Alex’s turn to go!
@@zoster766 U r right and Alex new way too much so he had to b eliminated he was next on there hit list, this evil pair need the death penalty 😣😣
The scripture says your sin will find you out. Seems Chad and Lori never read that scripture. 😡
They also never thought that they will have to face their victims after they die..
Plus the Bible says the 144,000 will be virgins
They also did not read the zombie bs in the bible
Also, He who conceals his sins does not prosper,
but whoever confesses AND renounces them finds mercy.
--read Proverbs 28
And, Acquitting the guilty AND
condemning the innocent--
the Lord detests them both.
-- read Proverbs 17
They used religion to justify murdering these kids, their spouses, and lord knows who else so they would be together and obtain wealth. Chad has never been contacted by any God or messenger 😂 Cases like this pull people away from religion and God.
EXCELLENT team coverage of this heart wrenching much too real story! Every one has done an awesome job keeping us well informed!! Bless Tylee and JJ...We pray we see prosecution of their mom, Chad, and anyone else involved! Thank you for the coverage.
Casey Anthony was NOT a good liar..
d b I bet she’s not. Didn’t she say “I sleep....pretty well, at night”? Monstrosity of a human being.
Yep just a plain old lier that got away with murder,not a good lier
She wasn’t a good liar. Her jury was just brainless
Keep on getting all those ducks in a row. The day will come for justice!
This case pisses me off to no end. I hope these people get every bit of karma coming there way. How disgusting. I can't wrap my head around it.
I’m with ya. No case has had me this upset since Chris Watts. The way these people dispose of their babies is unfathomable and pure evil.
I hope they start ratting on each other and tell more information to incriminate them both.
They obviously disposed of one big ratter Alex who shot dead poor Charles who is now dead himself😣😣😣😣😣😒😩👨❤️👨🙏🙏🙏🙏
I think they definitely will. It almost always happens or they'll slip.
So who still has the rest of the roll of garbage bags that were used last September... no one.
That we know of. 😉 Wouldn't it be interesting to find that the niece Melanie, has/had the remaining of the roll??????? And PD has already recovered it. 👍
But maybe the duct tape
Lets hope they shop at costco
@Diane Catts I'm not stupid, I just get garbage bags in rolls of 40. My toilet paper comes in rolls of 12, and paper towels I can get 2 in one pack :)
Stop giving killers tips!!
I just love listening to your analysis on this case and also how you compare other cases. Very entertaining so thank you.
If people have to go this far to prove the guilt and innocence of people like this, how do innocent people serve decades sometimes in prison for things they didn't do. They had to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Lori or Chad or Alex whoever killed those kids and sometimes even then (OJ\Casey) the people that do it get off on a technicality. Help.
Alot of the cases where someone was convicted and sentenced to prison were at times when forensic evidence was just beginning. Back in the 80s and before. They didn't have DNA testing nor a finger print data base to use. Forensic pathology was sometimes performed by an assistant to the medical examiner, and many mistakes were made. . Detectives would rely on witness statements and the statement of the person being questioned in the crime. Also there are just corrupt detectives. It's pretty rare but it does happen. Sad to say.
Very good point. Might 'politics' be involved... ;-)
@GSA "White Privilege"
Ashley, I would've never figured out why there were items beneath the body. I thought maybe those items had been used in the murder. Excellent reporting! 👍
Great segment you two!
These people are so evil. I will never understand how someone can murder a child. Poor little J. J. and Tylee. Had their little lives stolen from monsters.
This world is so damn sad.parents killing there kids.and kids killing there parents.
You guys do such a great job drawing parallels in cases and bringing meaning to evidence between cases. It’s always a pleasure to learn something new from you both every time you bring us information about a case. I also enjoy your discussions together, because I can always relate to everything you guys are saying. Thanks Vinnie and Ashley for doing a great job each and every day!
How could they???? That precious boy! 😢😡😢😡😢😡
Isn't Tylee important, why is it always JJ?
Those precious kids - both of them!
Thank you all for covering this. I've been following this case.
"Not Guilty" does NOT mean "Innocent."
All a Judge or Jury is required to assess is whether someone being charged with a crime has been shown by a preponderance of evidence that surpasses a reasonable doubt of a finding of guilt.
There is only ever one of two options; either the person did it or they didn't. But nobody is required to prove somebody is innocent, only that guilt beyond a reasonable doubt couldn't be established.
It's where people get all crazy and start believing allegations mean guilt, by default. For all anyone REALLY knows Chad and Lori could have had NOTHING to do with the murders at all. (As unlikely as that seems.) Presumption of innocence is SO difficult sometime, especially when most of the circumstantial evidence is so seemingly overwhelming.
I agree about Casey Anthony, that she did something stupid resulting in the death of her daughter, and her stupidity caused her to lie repeatedly, try covering what she'd done up by staging a homicide, instead of facing the consequences for the accident she doubtlessly caused, and with that in mind I'm compelled to suggest everyone maintain some semblance of patience for the process in regards to the Vallow/Daybell case.
Because, it could turn out that we had it ALL wrong the whole time. It's better to not be married to an idea or belief, we look FAR less stupid that way in hindsight.
Like oj Simpson right 🤦🏽♀️
wise words
I love watching prosecutors argue. They're amazing
I'm hoping Chad helped Alex put little JJ in the bag and left a ton of evidence.
I learned from the Casey Anthony trial @ plastic bags & ducktape forensics. It's so damn sad 🙁
The bad thing here is, even if Alex wrapped the body, if they don't know how JJ died Alex may be blamed for it all. I mean Lori could very well have poisoned either kids etc..before their bodies were "dealt with". Its all so horrible and sad.
This approach of vibrant dialogues between passionate specialists, often referring current cases to previous ones and their outcomes, is soooo wildly informative and entertaining; Court TV's team, you're awesome!!!
So sad
I think Lori's brother Alex murdered both kids for Lori and Chad helped him bury them. I cannot fathom how any person can chop up a person's remains. I can't even cut up a whole chicken from market. Alex killed them and the 2 men buried them. They're all nuts. It's a weird religion and Chad added his own weirdness or evil to it.
Those poor children its so heartbreaking....Lori and Chad daybell are pure evil
You guys are great and I thank you for keeping us so up to date on this case. You have fantastic insights and deliver details with compassion and appropriate outrage. I didn’t discover your show till the Lori/Chad cases but if I had to choose anyone to explain any news or court law to me, you’re my first choice! Thank you both so much! Hang in there, this heartless act takes a lot out of a person, protect your hearts! Stay safe, stay healthy!
why did he stick around, knowing they would find the bodies?
He was probably trying to use his magic prophet powers to blind the police to anything buried.
I believe it’s arrogance, he thought he was above the law.
Probably because they missed stuff when they had a search warrant to search the house before and he thought they’d be inept again.
Love court tv team. Informative, the team shows demonstrate restraint in rendering unspeakable crimes. I like the mix of appropriate personal musings, without being dramatic.
There's no such thing as a perfect crime but people get away with murder all the time.
I hope they are able to lift prints off either the duct tape or the plastic. And I hope if they are able to do so, Chad and LORI’s prints are found.
How could somebody kill two children go get married I think there’s nothing wrong with it I’m sorry but I think she to get life in prison just like him
I would like 3know why they handled his and tylees body so differently. What / how did they decide?
First, the are narcissistic idiots that think they are smarter and better than everyone else. So they had thought that they would cremate Tylee between 9 am and noon so they would be done when Chad's wife Tammy just might come home for lunch. But being idiots they didn't realize it would take at least 24 hours of continuous burning to destroy a body sufficiently. So after two hours of trying to just burn her limbs (see Chad's text referencing limb debris) they knew it would not work. So they just buried the rest of her. When they murdered JJ a few weeks later they knew burning does not work and so they just shrouded him in plastic and duct tape.
Second Act that sounds reasonable to
me
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Is it just me or does that dude always seemed to be annoyed with Ashley?😔
Haha yes I think so as I am to. She’s obtuse and overly dramatic. Ruins watching for me.
“Fingie prints” 🙄 she’s the one a few weeks back was playing the “OH GUESS WHAT” game when talking about real people who were murdered. He’s not alone, I’m annoyed too. She needs to grow up.
Aw I just thought it was bc she talked fir more time than ideal bc of format... I think she has some good insight and everyone has their negatives so is it worth it?
She acts strange when describing murders. She said a few days ago the children were rotting in the ground. Is that really necessary? No, it isn’t. She acts like she’s describing someone who said a cuss word in polite company not the brutal murders of children! She has pics of kids behind her. Wonder how she would like hearing those words and more importantly the annoying disrespectful tone she uses if it were her children? Yeah we know the answer.
Ashley is just being sarcastic. He gets that annoyed look when she mentions Casey Anthony because he cant stand Casey. He wont even say her name. I like Ashley.
Thank you both. I absolutely love this channel and you to work so well together.
Absolutely never apologise for a pun. Even if it accidentally.
It makes you sick if someone could do that to two children that we never go to prom we never get married or never will have children I never will be able to Christmas presents or birthday present celebrate Thanksgiving
Wtf was Casey Anthony let off ??
Ashley says no perfect crime, yet Casey A. seemed to pull one off. She didn't break and she even implicated her own family as a diversion.
Reasonable doubt. The pool story is actually believable.
DA went for 1st degree murder. Jury couldn't deliver as per law, no time or manner of death, jurors said prosecution could not meet the premeditation requirement. Very sad but it's American law 😢
Uggghhh.... Bummer. Surprised nobody has 👊knocked her OFF yet!
I hope they find Lori's hair and Chad's hair with the remains... Along with their prints on the duct tape!
Yes please do that Casey😨😨 jj and Tylee will get justice . They not smiling now and Melanie needs to be investigated to she is doing interviews to cover her involvement PURE EVIL!!
I am so glad that this particular case is going to get the funding to do all that amazing forensics...those beautiful children derserve it. Forensics amazes me. How doggedly some law enforcement agencies can be looking for that critical connecting evidence. It is inspirational to learn so much from your podcasts. Thank you for delving, when others might find themselves having a close personal encounter with the lavoratory...heaving! I start to get dry heaves sometimes when the brutality of the crime is unearthed by forensics....it just scares me and disturbs my sense of safety for all of us.
We love Ashley and Vinnie!
I am Canadian and we don't have the death penalty. However, I think Lori qualifies to be sentence to death! Chad deserves it as well! Any person that can laugh in court about the heinous crimes makes my skin crawl.
My husband is like Casey Anthony...he lies about everything. Casey Anthony is not that special.
Pathological liar vs - lying child killer .. wow I wonder what your husband thinks of you... lol
I think Chad buried them
Who murdered them and how? It really upsets my stomache. This case is horrible
Nail polish on JJ's duct tape? 😢 Lori is going to prison for the rest of her life!
That was a different case they referenced just to give the idea to us people what could happen with tape. The nail polish convicted a lady who murdered her husband.
That was Melanie Mcgwires case.
Emily Kelbell NO...NO duck polish on the Melanie McGuire Case tape!
The test they are referring to is called a diatom test. It's used to determine if a person has drowned.
When a body has been drowned diatoms go into the lungs and then are circulated to other internal organs through the individuals circulation. A forensic scientist will extract 100 g of either a tissue sample or bone marrow from a femur still attached to the victim.
Maybe they were gloves???? I hope not
I pray these two don't get away w/ all the terrible crimes they've committed... The murders of the children are simply the most tragic, senseless of all the crimes but by far not all encompassing. All their victims deserve justice!
Y'all have done an excellent job reporting on this case.
I can't wait for the physical evidence,that duck tape has something on it!!👍🏼💜💙btw I'm from NJ and I lived up the street from that lady(melony hmm that name!) who dismembered her hubby,she lived in the townhouses across from Woodbridge mall,my parents still live there😷😁
Mmmmmm cutting up bodies yikes
*duct tape
Ashleigh is so gleeful talking about those kids being dug up. Pretty disgusting.
Fing-y prints? Glad we have 4 year olds commenting on this case
Glad I’m not the only one who caught that. She’s the one who was playing the “guess what” game a few videos back 🙄 You’re covering the murders of REAL people- grow up and present it professionally. It’s incredibly offputting to be “baby talked” while listening to these gruesome details.
Thank you SO much for alerting would-be murderers to this knowledge about garbage bags and duct tape that could lead directly to the murderer....now murderers could make SURE in future to avoid this and be more difficult to be caught.
they keep saying he sat in the car in the driveway watching them dig. i see 2 driveways,1 full of cars n trucks the other that's near the house has no view of where there digging?
His daughter lives across the road, he sat in his silver SUV in her driveway.
I love this channel! Great information and great reporting.
I wonder if they’ll find chad’s and Alex’s and who else’s fingerprints on and in the garbage bags as well as on the duct tape
Also DNA on the sticky part of the tape, maybe.
I don’t think fingerprints are needed at this point. There’s a trail from both of these men to these babies’ bodies. All they need now is a cause of death, MAYBE confessions, but I highly doubt that. I’m interested to see if they’ll turn on each other now ....
I hope they do turn on each other. I really want to see them all motor mouth on each other. Then every one of them get the death penalty
Please do an hour on the Caylee Anthony case. I’ve never heard anything about the tape.
Thank you! I will!
Chad knew that was J J. Wouldn't that at least make him accomplish to murder?
In most of our opinions, yes. Guilty at least of conspiracy if not being an accomplice! And/or guilty because his teachings/ideology led others to commit murder...
This case is still insane
One day Casey Anthony will get what's coming . I just hope to live to see the day.
Like watching Vinny, Ashley intelligent, an knowledgeable information, good job!
Ashley looks so different (new hairdo).. love Court TV.
Where was Chad chinless going to go when he took off? monsters evil diabolical creeps. Did Chad say they were zombies to get rid of these innocent children? So he could have lori all to himself? Why were his kids spared?
Fingie prints! ( such a mom thing to say ) Lets hope so.
I read this comment right as she said that.... uggh.
You two are dynamic reporters!
Casey Anthony again!! I'm tired of hearing about her. They should put Casey Anthony on the thumb nail. I can't even watch this show again. I came here to hear about JJ Tylee
I was thinking the same thing. I fast forward through those parts.
I truly believe, the day after Casey argued with her mother, she started moving out. I believe she was packing Caylee's things saying "We're leaving; You won't see Nan again". I believe Caylee started crying & saying, "Don't take Nan's sunshine away" over & over. I believe in a moment of anger she got the duct tape & placed it on her face, over her mouth. I believe, she didn't mean to include her nose. It wouldn't have taken long to suffocate. And the lie began.
I think she gave Caylee sleeping pills and then taped her mouth so that she couldn't be heard screaming while she was in the trunk of the "Princess Casey$" car. Then she went into the new boyfriends house and forgot about her daughter. A party girl, I think she got stoned with the boyfriend. I also believe she was relieved of her responsibility of having a child that she didn't want in the first place. Hence, she partied hardy got a tattoo and ran off for a month, before showing up at her parents house and her mom then called the police to say that her granddaughter was missing.
Why did she go back to mommy? Casey is out of money and friends to stay with and no car. So to get money, she went home expecting mommy, to hand her cash so she could survive until she ran out of that. She was totally being supported by her parents since she got pregnate with Caylee and before.
Casey proved she had no morals or sense of anything, but herself. For all her life! Mother spoiled her with anything she wanted, but when baby came around, Casey was not her parents main focus anymore, Caylee was! This caused her to become a real con, to act out like the immature children who were never taught responsibilities or work ethic. Who think of themselves as entitled.
I too thought she would have gotten the death penalty. Oops, it was an accident! BS!!! No, she was tired of her over indulged child, who didn't want to leave the security of grandma and poppa, and most likely screamed and showed her dislike of being with her self absorbed mother.
Further, I don't think it was a accident. I think she murdered her daughter because she had no coping skills and a baby who is angry at her mother, is a terror to be around especially when men are arround. I think Casey was tired of it and way too immature to be a mom. She wanted out! She didn't want Caylee around anymore.
Ashleigh Banfield is so into herself "teenie weenie popcorn trail." it's getting hard to watch.
I really like Ashleigh Banfield...she seems to ask and answer all the questions I have
@Diane Catts Don't you curse at me. She has a big head and a big head.
They never thought these kids would ever be found. So I hope and Pray they were sloppy and have finger prints all over the bags and tape. And I'd say theres gonna be 3 sets. Lori, Chad, and Alex all 3. All 3 are guilty.
"itty bitty tiny winy" - really? ....
@Diane Catts Your response was way more than itty bitty tiny winy
@Diane Catts Your letters are waaaaay off, its IBTW!
The most disgusting thing about the Anthony trial, besides her being acquitted, is how she blamed her dad for everything. She said he molested her, which was a lie, she said he killed Caylee, which was a lie. She is so gross, and I don't know, as a parent, if I could forgive her for that.
Yet Casey still got away with it