120 never really use banshee or ghouls, he doesn't like them cuz it takes a lot of micro to make them effective. fiends aboms destroy are his go to units.
@@thijsjong that and the fact that dark ritual nerfed from 33/66/100% to 25/50/75% reduce mana Regen more. Not to mention it actually cost mana to cast it so the lich might even loss his mana from dark ritual after sacrifice
@@4bafiafzil999 Does it only give mana as a benefit or it’s also guaranteed deny of opponents xp? You know others try to time perfectly lh to deny xp maybe there is a benefit? Who knows…
I don't understand why in game 3 eer0 didn't go for destros, he had so much time to switch so much gold while forty was supply locked most of the game.
Happy and Err0, I have a question for you: Why don't you play the Oldschool tactic of fake expo Lich, and quickly T2 and DK, more units and only then the second gold mine, just like before, when Human had no chance versus you. So LYN started playing it again and he defeats Forti because of it. He doesn't build a second gold mine, but he keeps making more units and a second hero, and then he wins. You have also played this way against Human before and you were invincible. ...No chance in start game build next undead expo! ...Come back!! :D ♥ LOVE HAPPY ♥
It was mainly due to the ghoul nerf. That gave rise to the new king in town, which are knights. Undead has no direct counter to them since destroyers are hardcountered by gyros. Undead has to counter with more micro using hit and run with a combination of fiends, banshees, or aboms. HU needs to mass knights, get three staves, and optionally tanks or gryphons depending on the opponent's composition. Eer0 did some nice adjustments by trying to add the pitlord as the third hero to reduce overall army damage, but Fortitude split his army and avoided a direct confrontation until he had the ideal peak army composition. I think that ghouls should get a slight buff because they're really hard to micro to keep alive. That should keep allow Undead to better survive the early expansion war and to be able to pursue midgame dominance.
@@VelvanTivius It’s true that overall ud has won least money but why does it matter in 2024 that ud was losing 14 years ago? What is current situation? Is not the ud most wining race since 2018? Last 6+ years top is ud…
@@Biobin123 what top? ud has 2 overperforming players while never dominating the scene. in this dolphin asian qualifier there's only one undead. where are the other UD players hiding? just compare it to other races. ud won all tier 1 tournaments in 2023 and it may seem like the best race but was never overrepresented in top 16/8 like elves. Anyone can can check most represented race of any tier 1 tourney that have multiple qualifiers and somehow it's not undead.
@ Popular- strongest is not same… some people pick hu because they are humans themselves etc… doesn’t mean everyone plays cause of strength… When did orc dominated? Or hu? At least the way ud did? Like grand finals with mirrors in top tournaments? Like 2022 and 2023 had?
@ Since 2023 was ud mirror grand finals in t1 tournament we can assume hu was not op back than. So lets look end of 2023 and 2024 changes: There were basically 2 patches 1.36.1 which was buffs to both hu and ud that was 2023 November. And 1.36.2 which was nerf to hu and buff to ud namely arcane tower nerf + knights nerf while ud got hgm buff with fuends buffs cl buff cirppke buff etc . Only big change from where ud realy started to lose was not hu buff or ghouls nerf but removing healing scroll. Having healing scroll was stupid to begin with so it was needed to be removed for years now. Especially on a race with very easy and many wats of healing: 1. Blight 2. Coil 3. V aura 4. U aura 5. Statues 6. Dagger 7. Caninalaize / Burrow / stone form etc Compared to orc for example: 1. Salve 2. Healing wave 3. Healing ward Also i see lot of ppl complaining about how strong we is. Have you ever played we / blizzard build? No cause you wont have mana we takes most of am mana to cast. We is not strong stand alone , and is free xp in late game, it’s strong only in early game combined with aura which does nothing other than giving mana for we in early game. Is we stronger than nova combined with ritual? Or coil + aura? - if yes now that is different argument… personally i don’t think so but i can change my mind. When ud was dominating year after year every ud fanboy said it’s just happy and just skill issue. Well it wasn’t just happy cause then Why top 1 ud and top 2 were achieving more than top 1 and top 2 of all other races? Why top 3 and top 4 ud were achieving more than top 3 and top 4 of all other races? Maybe it was ud op? Have you thought about that? Now if hu is so strong why there is not same results? Top 2 hu is very behind compared to top 2 ud same with top 3 hu vs top 3 ud etc… maybe now we can really say hu is not op it’s just forty and it’s a skill issue. And my personal favorite, cause every ud answer was “ if ud so op why others don’t play ud” well if hu is so op why happy and 120 and others don’t play it? What is a statistic that makes you believe ud weakest race and hu strongest? According to wc3champions ladder statistics hu is not strongest neither is ud weakest same results on battle net and other sources. When it comes to earnings from tournaments it’s same ud first hu comes second. If you remove top 1 earners of all races still ud 1 and now hu isn’t even 2… same for top 3 and etc
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In the 3th game 120 throw the late game when he had two gold mines and he kept spending golds on feinds , he should transitioned to banshees
120 never really use banshee or ghouls, he doesn't like them cuz it takes a lot of micro to make them effective. fiends aboms destroy are his go to units.
@@mardini but he frequently uses it in ud mirror
Mana from dark ritual depends on current hitpoints of sacrificed unit. So a ghoul in the red gives very little mana
@@thijsjong that and the fact that dark ritual nerfed from 33/66/100% to 25/50/75% reduce mana Regen more. Not to mention it actually cost mana to cast it so the lich might even loss his mana from dark ritual after sacrifice
@@4bafiafzil999
Does it only give mana as a benefit or it’s also guaranteed deny of opponents xp? You know others try to time perfectly lh to deny xp maybe there is a benefit? Who knows…
I don't understand why in game 3 eer0 didn't go for destros, he had so much time to switch so much gold while forty was supply locked most of the game.
not just destros, he couldve tech switch to banshees to possess knights.
eero's apm cant handle that micro
Why no destroyers in game 3??????????????
Happy and Err0, I have a question for you: Why don't you play the Oldschool tactic of fake expo Lich, and quickly T2 and DK, more units and only then the second gold mine, just like before, when Human had no chance versus you. So LYN started playing it again and he defeats Forti because of it. He doesn't build a second gold mine, but he keeps making more units and a second hero, and then he wins. You have also played this way against Human before and you were invincible. ...No chance in start game build next undead expo! ...Come back!! :D
♥ LOVE HAPPY ♥
Human op af... especially water elemantals...
in game 2 the lich was out of mana did u know that?
Why are UD suddenly losing to HU?
“Happy Update”
Suddenly is not the word you're looking for
UD got nerfed. So unfair with water elementals so strong in their current state early game.
Cause HUMBA
It was mainly due to the ghoul nerf. That gave rise to the new king in town, which are knights. Undead has no direct counter to them since destroyers are hardcountered by gyros. Undead has to counter with more micro using hit and run with a combination of fiends, banshees, or aboms. HU needs to mass knights, get three staves, and optionally tanks or gryphons depending on the opponent's composition. Eer0 did some nice adjustments by trying to add the pitlord as the third hero to reduce overall army damage, but Fortitude split his army and avoided a direct confrontation until he had the ideal peak army composition. I think that ghouls should get a slight buff because they're really hard to micro to keep alive. That should keep allow Undead to better survive the early expansion war and to be able to pursue midgame dominance.
120 plays awful in game 1 and 3. Derps in the comments: hUmAn Op
HU OP all the way in early, mid, and late game
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Losing 3 games as UD is hilarious...
Found the person who's only watched wc3 and never played.
UD has won least tournament prize money for all WC3 history so winning with it much more hilarious
@@VelvanTivius
It’s true that overall ud has won least money but why does it matter in 2024 that ud was losing 14 years ago? What is current situation? Is not the ud most wining race since 2018? Last 6+ years top is ud…
@@Biobin123 what top? ud has 2 overperforming players while never dominating the scene. in this dolphin asian qualifier there's only one undead. where are the other UD players hiding? just compare it to other races. ud won all tier 1 tournaments in 2023 and it may seem like the best race but was never overrepresented in top 16/8 like elves. Anyone can can check most represented race of any tier 1 tourney that have multiple qualifiers and somehow it's not undead.
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Popular- strongest is not same… some people pick hu because they are humans themselves etc… doesn’t mean everyone plays cause of strength…
When did orc dominated? Or hu? At least the way ud did? Like grand finals with mirrors in top tournaments? Like 2022 and 2023 had?
They need to fire the current wc3 balance team. Every major patch is manic depressive. buff one race to unbeatable levels and screw every other race.
Yeah but even with odds like that hu managed to win thx to forty skill… no matter how buffed ud is .
@@Biobin123 The major changes in the recent patches buffed hu.
@
Since 2023 was ud mirror grand finals in t1 tournament we can assume hu was not op back than. So lets look end of 2023 and 2024 changes:
There were basically 2 patches 1.36.1 which was buffs to both hu and ud that was 2023 November. And 1.36.2 which was nerf to hu and buff to ud namely arcane tower nerf + knights nerf while ud got hgm buff with fuends buffs cl buff cirppke buff etc .
Only big change from where ud realy started to lose was not hu buff or ghouls nerf but removing healing scroll.
Having healing scroll was stupid to begin with so it was needed to be removed for years now. Especially on a race with very easy and many wats of healing:
1. Blight
2. Coil
3. V aura
4. U aura
5. Statues
6. Dagger
7. Caninalaize / Burrow / stone form etc
Compared to orc for example:
1. Salve
2. Healing wave
3. Healing ward
Also i see lot of ppl complaining about how strong we is. Have you ever played we / blizzard build? No cause you wont have mana we takes most of am mana to cast. We is not strong stand alone , and is free xp in late game, it’s strong only in early game combined with aura which does nothing other than giving mana for we in early game. Is we stronger than nova combined with ritual? Or coil + aura? - if yes now that is different argument… personally i don’t think so but i can change my mind.
When ud was dominating year after year every ud fanboy said it’s just happy and just skill issue. Well it wasn’t just happy cause then Why top 1 ud and top 2 were achieving more than top 1 and top 2 of all other races? Why top 3 and top 4 ud were achieving more than top 3 and top 4 of all other races? Maybe it was ud op? Have you thought about that? Now if hu is so strong why there is not same results? Top 2 hu is very behind compared to top 2 ud same with top 3 hu vs top 3 ud etc… maybe now we can really say hu is not op it’s just forty and it’s a skill issue.
And my personal favorite, cause every ud answer was “ if ud so op why others don’t play ud” well if hu is so op why happy and 120 and others don’t play it?
What is a statistic that makes you believe ud weakest race and hu strongest?
According to wc3champions ladder statistics hu is not strongest neither is ud weakest same results on battle net and other sources. When it comes to earnings from tournaments it’s same ud first hu comes second. If you remove top 1 earners of all races still ud 1 and now hu isn’t even 2… same for top 3 and etc