I also think some people overestimate how good expansions are in WC3, probably because of how big of an advantage they are in SC2. . . . . yes, Soul Calibur 2
@@khzzzzzzzz In most Real Time Strategy games (RTS), having 2 bases vs 1 base means you have double income. In WC3, when you have 2 bases, you will very probably have to go above 50 population. There is an upkeep mechanic, so when players have more than 50 population, they only get 70% of the gold mined (you can see workers start giving you 7 gold instead of 10). To better visualize the impact of this: In other RTS games: You get 20 gold per second, your opponent gets 10 gold per second. In WC3: You get 14 gold per second, your opponent gets 10 gold per second. You only earn 40% more than them, and you have to spend resources to defend both bases. Don't get me wrong, expansions are really good! But experienced players can sometimes prioritize units or items to creep faster and/or execute really strong timing attacks on 1 base.
"It may not be good, but it's good against YOU so you need to prepare for it." If Artosis ever heard those words he'd become an ASL champion within the month lol
Great game, your casting is most helpful as well. I am surprised Happy can survive so long vs T3 human and make it look close.. I thought game was over when Romantic got the Lich and Happy had to tavern revive.. HU vs UD has always been one of my favourite matchups.. even during the Infi mass tower and mass tank style. I still remember a game on Turtle Rock with Lucifer vs Reprisal where Reprisal had like 11-13 workshops and killed all ghouls of Luci and the undead had just the ability to build Necropolises to survive.. Fun times!
0:35 -- G forgot to start with... *ChinaHuman* !! when started listing great HU players from China... He was #2 at WCG *2003* !! :) That was before Sky was *ANYBODY. :P* .
@@Gizziiusa I see. I was a HU and NE player when I stopped playing this game back in 2004. I still don’t know who would want to play for the UD (the most difficult race) to play for…
Epic game. (Semi-spoiler space) Wow, Romantic/Fortitude has really come a long way in the last several years, since I first saw him on casts by Crota; he improved a lot over the course of those, and now we see this.
So I used to mainly play Starcraft 2 and I need to ask the question. How in the world is it fair that Human had an expo most of the game and Undead didn’t and yet the game was so insanely close? Like is UD that OP or cheap? How is that even fair?
Basically it's not just about the gold, but also heroes being good at different stages of the game. For instance archimage early on is probably the best hero in the game, which allowed human to both take an exp and also pressure undead, preventing him from taking the second base, however the more the game goes on the less powerful archimage becomes in comparison to many other first heroes, because his water elementals can be dispelled all the way up to the level 6, where he becomes extremely strong once again due. In addition to that undeads have an incredible timing attack that forces a human to turtle a lot, resulting in missing that income advantage for quite a while, which also gives an undead an opportunity to get even more ahead XP wise, resulting in their heroes becoming even better. In any case, I'm still extremely surprised that this game lasted this long without undead even thinking of taking the second base.
i dont play rts, but maybe he didn't get gunpowder immediately to lull the opponent into thinking he is weaker than he actually is, and then later surprise him with a damage boost.
today a lot of people are mislead to think (and also because its being pushed) that the only thing that counts is graphic quality when its not, its artstyle and creativity, thats why a 2001 game still piss on most games today. Same reason why most people dont use the reforged layout of the game
I know Happy likes to do the same builds all the time but if you know the opponent is going to go mass Flying Machines wouldn't Dreadlord or even Panda be a better third hero?
I'm not a Happy fan, but this matchup is very imbalanced and unfair to Happy. Really, really difficult to stop human from exoanding and to counter-expo(water elementals way too strong and cancel expansion easily). With expansion, Human gets tier 3 and UD doesn't really have a counter to knights + gyros. Gyros hard counter all UD air for little cost in food and gold, and there is pretty much nothing that UD can do Vs knights. They tried possesion, but breakers are also too good, and banshee pretty much a zero DPS unit. Happy is 1,000,000X the player thatr Fortitude is, but alas, Blizzard couldn't care less about balancing at the pro level. When they do release patches, it's thinking about 4 Vs 4 since that's by far the most popular mode, with 95% of the World's 200,000 WC3 players playing 4 Vs 4 almost exclusive. Blizzard doesn't care about a mode played by only 11,000 hardcores. 1 Vs 1 in WC3 is *too* intimidating for most players. They prefer custom games or 4 vs 4, which is b5asically League of Legends or DOTA2 with armies.
dunno why these "pro" players allways do fe when playing with human, even taking am as a first hero. Pala+bm+tech (spellbreakers) would be much deadlier against ud.
Grubby must really like him to call him the best human in the world among 8 billion other humans
I like how he clarifies the guy is a player and not an NPC
Just look the ranking
After himself and his parents, Grubby is the next person to consider fortitude the best Human in the world. This shows how much Grubby likes him.
😂😂
@@marciocajado You missed the joke my boy.
14:47 Find yourself a grill that looks at you like Grubby looks at a DK with ankh
The fact that Happy stayed in the game for so long with 1 base against 2, while also having lost heroes in the mid game shows just how good he is.
or how good ud is
I also think some people overestimate how good expansions are in WC3, probably because of how big of an advantage they are in SC2.
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yes, Soul Calibur 2
@@MiguelAnton1994 Im a noob in wc3, can you explain to me why expansions have so small impact?
@@khzzzzzzzz
In most Real Time Strategy games (RTS), having 2 bases vs 1 base means you have double income.
In WC3, when you have 2 bases, you will very probably have to go above 50 population.
There is an upkeep mechanic, so when players have more than 50 population, they only get 70% of the gold mined (you can see workers start giving you 7 gold instead of 10).
To better visualize the impact of this:
In other RTS games: You get 20 gold per second, your opponent gets 10 gold per second.
In WC3: You get 14 gold per second, your opponent gets 10 gold per second.
You only earn 40% more than them, and you have to spend resources to defend both bases.
Don't get me wrong, expansions are really good! But experienced players can sometimes prioritize units or items to creep faster and/or execute really strong timing attacks on 1 base.
@@MiguelAnton1994 yes I play sc2, but I dont why in wc3 this is not as important
13:56 This is why Lich died. DK was storm bolted under the Arcane Tower where he lost all mana.
"3 Hits 2 Bash that's a video I'd watch" -Grubby insights 2024
"It may not be good, but it's good against YOU so you need to prepare for it."
If Artosis ever heard those words he'd become an ASL champion within the month lol
Underrated comment :)
Flying machines bullying statues is the funniest thing. The poor thing desperately wants to become a destroyer and knows it can't.
21:27 "1 2 jango", a man of culture I see.
It’s cool to see that this game is still played
14:27 "Nice." nice casting
24:08 "Wie geht's?" = What's up? :-)
22:33 what a battle of armies man i love this
Nice play by the Terran player, sacrificing their main like that.
Must have known that the Zerg base was about to run out . . . .
Gargoyle being killed by a holy light - best sound in the game
Great game, your casting is most helpful as well. I am surprised Happy can survive so long vs T3 human and make it look close.. I thought game was over when Romantic got the Lich and Happy had to tavern revive..
HU vs UD has always been one of my favourite matchups.. even during the Infi mass tower and mass tank style. I still remember a game on Turtle Rock with Lucifer vs Reprisal where Reprisal had like 11-13 workshops and killed all ghouls of Luci and the undead had just the ability to build Necropolises to survive.. Fun times!
I hope th000 gets well and starts playing again, remember wathcing him back in 2012 from warcraft3art
surprisingly liking just u commenting other ppls games rather than just meme games
My favorite types of your video ! GG grubb ^^
Can’t wait to see this one on the plane ✈️
19:15 -- wait, does Orb of Fire *REALLY* reduce the healing of statues, cannibalize and Aura ?? Or G just fooling with us ?? O_o
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0:35 -- G forgot to start with... *ChinaHuman* !! when started listing great HU players from China...
He was #2 at WCG *2003* !! :)
That was before Sky was *ANYBODY. :P*
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18:10 Pretty cool, I didn’t know that Abominations can use that ability.
when the game first came out, it was only for ghouls. A patch update allowed the aboms to use it too. that was years ago.
@@Gizziiusa I see. I was a HU and NE player when I stopped playing this game back in 2004. I still don’t know who would want to play for the UD (the most difficult race) to play for…
You’re thumbnail guy needs a raise
Grubby did anyone noticed that you have a very similar face with Benedict Camberbetch?
Not like very much but you know that angelic energy equal.
Now that you mention it, yeah... it's in the eyes, that kind of steady detached gaze
Epic game.
(Semi-spoiler space)
Wow, Romantic/Fortitude has really come a long way in the last several years, since I first saw him on casts by Crota; he improved a lot over the course of those, and now we see this.
This was exciting! Best pro game in my imo
Love these casts.
Th000? Best of all time ever...
20:11 cute
6:58 Which shouldn’t be the case…
Heres my suggestion for orc: make healing ward t1 and sentry t2. Make healing ward give mana regen as well.
crazy he had an expo for so long
So I used to mainly play Starcraft 2 and I need to ask the question. How in the world is it fair that Human had an expo most of the game and Undead didn’t and yet the game was so insanely close? Like is UD that OP or cheap? How is that even fair?
Basically it's not just about the gold, but also heroes being good at different stages of the game.
For instance archimage early on is probably the best hero in the game, which allowed human to both take an exp and also pressure undead, preventing him from taking the second base, however the more the game goes on the less powerful archimage becomes in comparison to many other first heroes, because his water elementals can be dispelled all the way up to the level 6, where he becomes extremely strong once again due. In addition to that undeads have an incredible timing attack that forces a human to turtle a lot, resulting in missing that income advantage for quite a while, which also gives an undead an opportunity to get even more ahead XP wise, resulting in their heroes becoming even better.
In any case, I'm still extremely surprised that this game lasted this long without undead even thinking of taking the second base.
Is there a reason for not making fiends? Are they bad?
Abombs + Fiends for AA might have been better than recommitting to destros + few gargs?
Can we talk about how op the water elemental is compared to say serpent ward which is 2 hit and gone, that's unbalanced to me.
Whenever I see you featuring Happy, the game result is always the same as this one.
You're spoiler bro
@@MarkJohnesMalones-ru5jp thank you for pointing it out. I edited the comment.
What a game.. i juste love watching hum beat ud
Hey Grubby. Could you rate all players since WC3 went competitive? Who is the best player ever?
i dont play rts, but maybe he didn't get gunpowder immediately to lull the opponent into thinking he is weaker than he actually is, and then later surprise him with a damage boost.
add "CAST" to such episodes
Does Fortitude have social media?
DRYAD DEATH SOUNDS IS GOD TIER 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
20:11 no, it IS state of the art, it's the best. WC3 is the GOAT of RTS graphics.
today a lot of people are mislead to think (and also because its being pushed) that the only thing that counts is graphic quality when its not, its artstyle and creativity, thats why a 2001 game still piss on most games today. Same reason why most people dont use the reforged layout of the game
@@xtremelemon8612 Artstyle and creativity are part of graphics in my book.
@@Jny235 yes of course I was just talking about pure image quality
Grubby thanks for video.
is 3800-4200 MMR decent? I've felt weak for not being able get higher than that
What about Hawk or Kaho ?
I know Happy likes to do the same builds all the time but if you know the opponent is going to go mass Flying Machines wouldn't Dreadlord or even Panda be a better third hero?
Happy dwarfs everyone else !
Is the new patch out yet?
Categorical categories are categorically best
fort
3 hits, 2 bash... omg
Its a matter of time before grubby catching up with the lyn tragedy 5-0
Flying machines strong
Thx
i thought sok was number 1, didnt he defeated happy?
Nice to see Bronze League Heroes continue.
I think UD is OP.
19:23 what da fuq
😶
If he wins hes a maggician
> happy wins
I'm not a Happy fan, but this matchup is very imbalanced and unfair to Happy. Really, really difficult to stop human from exoanding and to counter-expo(water elementals way too strong and cancel expansion easily).
With expansion, Human gets tier 3 and UD doesn't really have a counter to knights + gyros. Gyros hard counter all UD air for little cost in food and gold, and there is pretty much nothing that UD can do Vs knights. They tried possesion, but breakers are also too good, and banshee pretty much a zero DPS unit.
Happy is 1,000,000X the player thatr Fortitude is, but alas, Blizzard couldn't care less about balancing at the pro level. When they do release patches, it's thinking about 4 Vs 4 since that's by far the most popular mode, with 95% of the World's 200,000 WC3 players playing 4 Vs 4 almost exclusive.
Blizzard doesn't care about a mode played by only 11,000 hardcores. 1 Vs 1 in WC3 is *too* intimidating for most players. They prefer custom games or 4 vs 4, which is b5asically League of Legends or DOTA2 with armies.
I like yellow undead
Use me as spoilerblock
Who is this UD that Grubby keeps reviewing games of? He loses every single game that Grubby reviews.
Happy on a losing streak
this false impression can be created if you only watch reviews of his games from Grabby lol
Bad match up. Happy is definitely the better player./
Is happy the one who dropped ukrainian flag for russian right after russian invasion started?
Why you advertise son of Putin
wat
3апомни друг 149.200 позывной "Волга".
Wait Happy 😮 is Putin Successor we all Doom then
dunno why these "pro" players allways do fe when playing with human, even taking am as a first hero. Pala+bm+tech (spellbreakers) would be much deadlier against ud.