I'd not thought about it before, but "try to lie about something undetected" is the perfect panel show premise. Comedians get to tell outrageous stories, and the standup problem of "this doesn't sound like it really happened" is turned into a feature of the game.
@@Oddlot0930 As Tom says, there was Call My Bluff too from decades before that, although it wasn't necessarily stand up comedians (and related) who appeared on that
I expected this to involve him and the other (author) David Mitchell! As it was I don't see why the person couldn't just skip to wherever they wanted in the regular episode -- must not have been an option in the format they used? I know that as a kid I would always fall asleep listening to Radio Mystery Theater and wake up horrified, knowing that I had no way of hearing the end or finding anyone else who had heard it...
RE: Taskmaster seat order It's actually really weird, but seat order does actually correlate with wining the series, but only in that seat 1 is the worst seat, the rest are actually pretty balanced. Ignoring special episodes/series(like the champion of champions or new years episodes) Seat 1 has won 1/17 series Seat 2 has won 4/17 Seat 3 has won 4/17 Seat 4 has won 3/17 Seat 5 has won 5/17 If we include the specials/new years episodes then seat 5 has won 7/24, while seat 1 has won 3/24(mostly down to Dara winning season 14 and the Champion of Champions this year). So yeah, unless you're Dara Ó Briain seat 1 makes you about ¼ as likely to win.
I never realized that about Taskmaster... and sure enough, I ran through the first names of Taskmaster UK's series 18 cast (which is nearly complete, as I write this)... and yep! From left to right, in ABC order, it's Andy, Babatunde, Emma, Jack, and Rosie. I just thought it was an appealing arrangement, especially since Jack and Rosie are such polar opposites personality-wise. That's wild!
Pretty sure that we are so used to ordering people by last name that most people will never notice that they are ordered by first name. I only noticed in Victoria Coren-Mitchell's series because of the task to buy a present for the next person in alphabetical order by first name.
they should let people send in perfect pangrams and read them out loud before seating the candidates (but not even point out that the pangram is used to do the ordering) at least in like the Japanese version (if that exists) that would be fire.
I think I remember they said they don't post full episodes because the UA-cam algorithm tends to suppress videos that have low view counts and/or that people don't finish watching quickly, which happens a lot with very long videos.
OH MY GOD this really has come full circle I started watching Only Connect because Tom was in it (this was after watching a lot of Tom's yt video, so it wasn't when it first aired in Series 3). I then got into a Victoria Coren(-Mitchell, now) rabbithole, and watched the WILTY episode when she was there in Lee's team, and then became a huge David Mitchell fan, and now David is mentioned on Tom's podcast!
And here was me thinking it was a reference to another David Mitchell, the author of Cloud Atlas and it was about reordering to match the way the book orders time.
I just said that in my response to another commenter! (And did you notice that other and author sound alike? David Mitchell (#1) would!
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I was thinking it was a reference to David Mitchell, but they never even mention him (or I missed the mention). It certainly had nothing to do with David.
I fall asleep listening to No Such Thing as a Fish but instead of painstakingly editing fact orders I just start the podcast about halfway through on the second night! Seems a slightly easier option
@@lateralcast - So he _is_ making them to share with other people. Which means Tom's question at 4:31 made perfect sense, and the answer was incorrect.
@@Squant - I can totally understand other people being interested in the files (especially if they don't have any other way to access those episodes - the order of contestants is irrelevant, they just want to listen to that episode). But why would he make full episode _edits_ for himself when he literally just had to move the playback cursor to the middle of the episode before hitting play? Download the episode, load it into an editing program, do at least a dozen mouse clicks and drags plus an export to save the effort of _one_ mouse click (or screen tap)? Either there's more to his editing, or it doesn't make any sense.
I thought towards the end that maybe the trick was that the edit got more intense and high energy at the end - like a slow start that builds to a dramatic finale, and that was waking them up, so if they listened to the high energy half first they could nod off to the quieter parts.
3:12 - Bill's right. Casinos shouldn't kick you out for card-counting, rather than making slight tweaks to the game so that card-counting won't work. They offer a game that can be won by skill (rather than switch to a game where only luck wins) because many people will try to win by skill and fail (because they can't card-count well enough), losing more than they win. These are people who would not play at all if they knew that the game is unwinnable, and the casino would then get none of their money. So, the casino offers the winnable game, but then refuses to play if someone actually dares to win a winnable game that the casino offers knowing full well it is winnable. If casinos are going to play this ruse, fine, but the price they should have to pay for offering a winnable game to entice losers is to take the loss when the rare person who IS sufficiently skilled DOES win. What's fair is fair. You have no right to whine about someone using skill to win something that is NOT a game of chance. The tweaks to make the game unwinnable by skill are easy and simple.
"The Unbelievable Truth" is my 'sleepy-time' white noise. There are 30 series of six 28 minute episodes. Additionally, there was a pilot episode and an extra late Series 29-Best Of-New Years episode. 182 episodes with 181 formatted in the standard 4 comedians reading & being challenged. I think I'm a little OCD in how I catalogue "The Unbelievable Truth" (and 10+ years of "The News Quiz" - also 'sleepy-time' white noise), but, by god, *editing every episode* swapping the third and fourth with the first and second?? ... I feel practically normal. 😵💫
When I heard the question, I was thinking of '8 out of 10 cats do Countdown' which I stumbled across on UA-cam at some point, and I remembered it having some sort of quiz question for the audience right before the commercial break, which got answered at record speed as they returned. So I figured.. what if it involved something like that, except involving the start and end of the episode? Depending on what exactly got shuffled and when, or whether the answer is given in the same episode or whether it bridges episodes, it might have been funny to match the wrong answer with a question ('Why are tennis balls yellow? Because trees need to protect themselves from frostbite!'), or purely because they forgot a question when it was given in the first minute and the answer came last-second before the episode ended almost an hour later, and this would turn it into a sort of reverse jeopardy ("Green, goodbye. Hello. What is the color of healthy leaves?")
my initial thought was about WILTY and arranging all of Bob Mortimer's absurd stories in a way to culminate in the one about the egg in the bathtub and David Mitchell's absolute meltdown at the end of it.
I was thinking that maybe the reordering had to do with making sure that a David Mitchell tirade (as frequently seen in Would I Lie to You) didn't occur just as the listener was falling asleep- thus preventing or inhibiting the attempt at sleep... but as it turned out, Mitchell was mentioned in the video title but not in the discussion at all
I accidentally watched Memento in order. I happened to get a fan edited copy that had prearranged the scenes in chronological order, and couldn't figure out why people found the movie confusing 😂
Why would you need two _edits_ for that? Just drag the playback cursor to the middle of the episode the next night and play from there. They're four independent segments. Unless you're going to share the edited versions with _someone else,_ creating separate edits is kind of pointless.
Another suggestion for a long movie that puts you to sleep to watch in reverse order: Primer Youll be likely just as confused as if you watched it thru the normal way, at first, but itll make way more sense by the end than watchin Primer the other way around does xD
It wasn't described fantastically here. A surprising number of people re-listen to old episodes of The Unbelievable Truth while they are going to sleep. Which means that every time they start the series over again, they still only catch the first couple rounds before they fall asleep. So the guy re-edited the entire series to do the last two rounds first, so that people would actually hear them instead of sleeping through them.
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They listen to the show normally, while in bed and falling asleep over it. Then the next night they listen to their edited version where parts 3 and 4 (of 4) come first, so they get to hear the whole show. :D
oh well that was... arbitrary and the setup really didn't matter... and it didn't affect anyone else... is this just something he did personally so he'd have something to share on the show?
Someone on the subreddit r/panelshows did it, I believe for themselves originally. But they shared it and there were quite a few people who loved it and are now waiting for more.
I don't get it... why can't you just skip to the middle?? If you're making the edits then you already know where it is? Does the radio re-play them the next morning?
Yep, it doesn't make any sense. You'd only create a separate edit if you were going to share it with someone else. But he specifically said "no one else is involved in this, he does it just for himself". Also, why didn't he just watch the rest of the episode while doing the edit (or _instead_ of doing the edit)? The whole premise makes no sense.
@@hannah42069 - They could, of course, but he could just be providing the edited version to save them that (small amount of) effort. Doing it _just_ for himself makes no sense at all.
They explained it poorly. The person is relistening to old episodes to fall asleep to and got tired of always hearing the same parts, so they swapped the rounds so that the parts they hear less often get played first and the parts they've heard more often play later when they are drifting off to sleep
It's not a video. I do something similar with this programme and other Radio 4 comedy panel shows in that I often fall asleep to them. I've heard them all many times anyway, so missing chunks is no issue.
I just set my podcast to a 15 minute sleep timer, then when I wake up press back until about -7 minutes. If I still don't recognize it, a few more minutes.
Wouldn't they see the other comedians while making the edit? Also wouldn't it be significantly eaiser to just fast forward to the part you missed the next night? I don't believe this person actually did this.
"The next night" part is poor explanation here, the reality is that people loop through the entire back catalog repeatedly. So having a version of the catalog where the episodes start differently is convenient.
0:22.... making my guess Well im going to assume its something like putting the lies into a pseudo-chronological order to show the interesting life of the Bizzarro-Universe version of the comedians? Like if in one lie someone says "i was about twelve when my mom cooked my dog Snuffles into a pie" and a second story has them claim "i was thirteen when my dog Snuffles number 2-ed on the carpet"?
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I'd not thought about it before, but "try to lie about something undetected" is the perfect panel show premise. Comedians get to tell outrageous stories, and the standup problem of "this doesn't sound like it really happened" is turned into a feature of the game.
Would I Lie To You. It's already a thing
@@Oddlot0930 As Tom says, there was Call My Bluff too from decades before that, although it wasn't necessarily stand up comedians (and related) who appeared on that
Two of These People are Lying!
@@Elwaves2925But nothing compares to Bob Mortimer on WILTY
@@roberttfoleycounterpoint, James Acaster’s cabbage story
Reorder David Mitchell to make "mild chat devil"
Or "meld livid chat"
Lame lich did TV
I was hoping for more David Mitchell.
I expected this to involve him and the other (author) David Mitchell!
As it was I don't see why the person couldn't just skip to wherever they wanted in the regular episode -- must not have been an option in the format they used? I know that as a kid I would always fall asleep listening to Radio Mystery Theater and wake up horrified, knowing that I had no way of hearing the end or finding anyone else who had heard it...
Victoria, is that you?
life seems a bit empty now
RE: Taskmaster seat order
It's actually really weird, but seat order does actually correlate with wining the series, but only in that seat 1 is the worst seat, the rest are actually pretty balanced.
Ignoring special episodes/series(like the champion of champions or new years episodes)
Seat 1 has won 1/17 series
Seat 2 has won 4/17
Seat 3 has won 4/17
Seat 4 has won 3/17
Seat 5 has won 5/17
If we include the specials/new years episodes then seat 5 has won 7/24, while seat 1 has won 3/24(mostly down to Dara winning season 14 and the Champion of Champions this year).
So yeah, unless you're Dara Ó Briain seat 1 makes you about ¼ as likely to win.
!!! Spoiler warning !!!
As of 8 minutes ago (at time of writing) TM's seat 1 just gained another winner.
Its such a small sample size that we derive nothing useful. Not to mention that being comedians its hard to draw any averages from them.
I never realized that about Taskmaster... and sure enough, I ran through the first names of Taskmaster UK's series 18 cast (which is nearly complete, as I write this)... and yep! From left to right, in ABC order, it's Andy, Babatunde, Emma, Jack, and Rosie. I just thought it was an appealing arrangement, especially since Jack and Rosie are such polar opposites personality-wise. That's wild!
Pretty sure that we are so used to ordering people by last name that most people will never notice that they are ordered by first name.
I only noticed in Victoria Coren-Mitchell's series because of the task to buy a present for the next person in alphabetical order by first name.
they should let people send in perfect pangrams and read them out loud before seating the candidates (but not even point out that the pangram is used to do the ordering)
at least in like the Japanese version (if that exists) that would be fire.
Tom Scott for Taskmaster
_Tomaster._
Whole of @techdif plus doddi or Sophie for five total contestants
I think Tom would be better suited as the Taskmaster assistant. For Taskmaster: Matt Gray.
I think he was on Countdown once when he was in university?
@@GenesisAkaG it was Only Connect
"This episode of Lateral was invented by Jesus" - Henning Wehn
We would find the Easter onion... and we would hold it.... aloft!
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Congrats on the shout-out from Richard Osman on "the rest is entertainment!" This is indeed a great podcast.
Watching Lateral on UA-cam also scrambles some of the callback jokes :D
The very first episode had the whole thing in full on UA-cam, then they just didn't for still very unclear reasons.
@@itskdog they explained somewhere that it's due to video syncing or something I think
I think I remember they said they don't post full episodes because the UA-cam algorithm tends to suppress videos that have low view counts and/or that people don't finish watching quickly, which happens a lot with very long videos.
OH MY GOD this really has come full circle
I started watching Only Connect because Tom was in it (this was after watching a lot of Tom's yt video, so it wasn't when it first aired in Series 3). I then got into a Victoria Coren(-Mitchell, now) rabbithole, and watched the WILTY episode when she was there in Lee's team, and then became a huge David Mitchell fan, and now David is mentioned on Tom's podcast!
I thought it was going to be someone that always falls asleep when they hear David Mitchell talking
I'd assume that "someone" would be Lee Mack 😁
I was hoping it was Victoria who edited it so she could fall asleep without having to listen to her husband droning on.
@@IceMetalPunk Or Philippa Perry, whose WILTY card read was literally ""I've been using David Mitchell to get me off to sleep"
That person’s name? Old Goosebump Arm.
This was fun. I'm a member of exactly the subreddit where these reordered episodes are shared.
And here was me thinking it was a reference to another David Mitchell, the author of Cloud Atlas and it was about reordering to match the way the book orders time.
I just said that in my response to another commenter!
(And did you notice that other and author sound alike? David Mitchell (#1) would!
I was thinking it was a reference to David Mitchell, but they never even mention him (or I missed the mention). It certainly had nothing to do with David.
I thought it was going to be David Mitchell, the origami guy!
I fall asleep listening to No Such Thing as a Fish but instead of painstakingly editing fact orders I just start the podcast about halfway through on the second night! Seems a slightly easier option
Yep. Unless he's sharing the edited versions with someone else, this makes no sense.
They're actually very popular on Reddit! -- David (producer)
@@lateralcast - So he _is_ making them to share with other people. Which means Tom's question at 4:31 made perfect sense, and the answer was incorrect.
@@RFC3514 No, he's making them for himself, but other people showed interest. Subtle difference.
@@Squant - I can totally understand other people being interested in the files (especially if they don't have any other way to access those episodes - the order of contestants is irrelevant, they just want to listen to that episode).
But why would he make full episode _edits_ for himself when he literally just had to move the playback cursor to the middle of the episode before hitting play?
Download the episode, load it into an editing program, do at least a dozen mouse clicks and drags plus an export to save the effort of _one_ mouse click (or screen tap)?
Either there's more to his editing, or it doesn't make any sense.
I thought towards the end that maybe the trick was that the edit got more intense and high energy at the end - like a slow start that builds to a dramatic finale, and that was waking them up, so if they listened to the high energy half first they could nod off to the quieter parts.
I have David Mitchell on an automatic reorder so I never run out.
I hate it when I have to reorder David Mitchell bc he’s been damaged in transit
Mine wasn't posh enough. I specifically ordered XXP!
That's because his bobble hat got caught in the tube doors!
The title made me think someone wanted to read Cloud Atlas chronologically.
cruel title, absolutely preying on my love of David Mitchell
3:12 - Bill's right. Casinos shouldn't kick you out for card-counting, rather than making slight tweaks to the game so that card-counting won't work. They offer a game that can be won by skill (rather than switch to a game where only luck wins) because many people will try to win by skill and fail (because they can't card-count well enough), losing more than they win. These are people who would not play at all if they knew that the game is unwinnable, and the casino would then get none of their money. So, the casino offers the winnable game, but then refuses to play if someone actually dares to win a winnable game that the casino offers knowing full well it is winnable. If casinos are going to play this ruse, fine, but the price they should have to pay for offering a winnable game to entice losers is to take the loss when the rare person who IS sufficiently skilled DOES win. What's fair is fair. You have no right to whine about someone using skill to win something that is NOT a game of chance. The tweaks to make the game unwinnable by skill are easy and simple.
I'm happy that I listened to the full episode
This video came into my feed directly above a 10-year-old clip from QI with David Mitchell in the thumbnail.
"The Unbelievable Truth" is my 'sleepy-time' white noise.
There are 30 series of six 28 minute episodes. Additionally, there was a pilot episode and an extra late Series 29-Best Of-New Years episode. 182 episodes with 181 formatted in the standard 4 comedians reading & being challenged.
I think I'm a little OCD in how I catalogue "The Unbelievable Truth" (and 10+ years of "The News Quiz" - also 'sleepy-time' white noise), but, by god, *editing every episode* swapping the third and fourth with the first and second??
... I feel practically normal. 😵💫
I like that the suggested video after this for me was every episode from series 27 of The Unbelievable Truth.
When I heard the question, I was thinking of '8 out of 10 cats do Countdown' which I stumbled across on UA-cam at some point, and I remembered it having some sort of quiz question for the audience right before the commercial break, which got answered at record speed as they returned. So I figured.. what if it involved something like that, except involving the start and end of the episode? Depending on what exactly got shuffled and when, or whether the answer is given in the same episode or whether it bridges episodes, it might have been funny to match the wrong answer with a question ('Why are tennis balls yellow? Because trees need to protect themselves from frostbite!'), or purely because they forgot a question when it was given in the first minute and the answer came last-second before the episode ended almost an hour later, and this would turn it into a sort of reverse jeopardy ("Green, goodbye. Hello. What is the color of healthy leaves?")
4:11 "They want the end to be the start and the start to be the end" - That is a fascinating way to state the situation!
Lateral got mentioned by Richard Osman on The Rest is Entertainment! I feel like that, in itself, is some kind of award :D
@lateralcast
my initial thought was about WILTY and arranging all of Bob Mortimer's absurd stories in a way to culminate in the one about the egg in the bathtub and David Mitchell's absolute meltdown at the end of it.
If these Lateral segments were longer, I might do the same thing with them.
This answer is probably the most unsatisfying answer.
Why edit it though? Why not just rewind it to a place that they last remember and continue like everybody else?
I was thinking that maybe the reordering had to do with making sure that a David Mitchell tirade (as frequently seen in Would I Lie to You) didn't occur just as the listener was falling asleep- thus preventing or inhibiting the attempt at sleep... but as it turned out, Mitchell was mentioned in the video title but not in the discussion at all
For the second time ever, I knew the answer right away, thanks to Reddit.
I accidentally watched Memento in order. I happened to get a fan edited copy that had prearranged the scenes in chronological order, and couldn't figure out why people found the movie confusing 😂
Near the end of this, I was thinking they wanted to know the final scores before falling asleep.
Before listening any further than 0:35 - "because he could"!
Is Tom wearing a safari jacket?
It rocks!
Why would you need two _edits_ for that? Just drag the playback cursor to the middle of the episode the next night and play from there. They're four independent segments.
Unless you're going to share the edited versions with _someone else,_ creating separate edits is kind of pointless.
This one didn't really make sense to me, like why waste time with the re-edit if they can just skip to the halfway mark directly?
I am now at the end this clip and have heard the answer - and I still don’t know why they did it.
I should try it, I go to sleep most nights listening to the unbelievable truth.
If I listen when I’m too sleepy, I end up believing everything they say
Another suggestion for a long movie that puts you to sleep to watch in reverse order: Primer
Youll be likely just as confused as if you watched it thru the normal way, at first, but itll make way more sense by the end than watchin Primer the other way around does xD
It's a really great show too...
The game is that the other three comedians interrupt the speech when they believe they've heard a true fact
Wouldn't it make more sense to just slice the episode into pieces per candidate and watch it in order? 😅
I’ll be real I fall asleep to this podcast. Might try it.
so Tom, what would you say when Alex Horne calls?
I don't get it. So the person edits the end to the beginning so to speak? I don't understand the reason.
It wasn't described fantastically here. A surprising number of people re-listen to old episodes of The Unbelievable Truth while they are going to sleep. Which means that every time they start the series over again, they still only catch the first couple rounds before they fall asleep. So the guy re-edited the entire series to do the last two rounds first, so that people would actually hear them instead of sleeping through them.
They listen to the show normally, while in bed and falling asleep over it. Then the next night they listen to their edited version where parts 3 and 4 (of 4) come first, so they get to hear the whole show. :D
But why not just start listening half way through?
@@airex12 Perhaps because they still want a full length show to fall asleep to.
@@airex12 Because then the episode might end before you fall asleep.
I mean, I've done this just by working out where I remember up to in something. Didnt really need all of the faff
oh well that was... arbitrary and the setup really didn't matter... and it didn't affect anyone else... is this just something he did personally so he'd have something to share on the show?
He distributes the re-edited episodes on Reddit.
Someone on the subreddit r/panelshows did it, I believe for themselves originally. But they shared it and there were quite a few people who loved it and are now waiting for more.
This was done by a person on reddit, it wasn't the guy talking. A bunch of other people have downloaded the edited episodes.
And here I was thinking it was because David Mitchell is quite rambunctuous and would be hard to sleep for.
So it’s like the opposite of Would I Lie to You?
Exactly! (Sort of.)
As Tom said, there are a lot of British panel shows that work kinda like that.
It's more akin to QI in terms of subject matter.
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... ironically I'd drifted off on a nap for this one 😂
I saw this video's title and was so sure that this was going to be about Cloud Atlas
I don't get it... why can't you just skip to the middle?? If you're making the edits then you already know where it is? Does the radio re-play them the next morning?
Yep, it doesn't make any sense. You'd only create a separate edit if you were going to share it with someone else. But he specifically said "no one else is involved in this, he does it just for himself". Also, why didn't he just watch the rest of the episode while doing the edit (or _instead_ of doing the edit)? The whole premise makes no sense.
@@RFC3514 Even then, why can't the other people do the same?
@@hannah42069 - They could, of course, but he could just be providing the edited version to save them that (small amount of) effort. Doing it _just_ for himself makes no sense at all.
Because then it won't be long enough. You still want a full-length slow, so you swap the order.
They explained it poorly. The person is relistening to old episodes to fall asleep to and got tired of always hearing the same parts, so they swapped the rounds so that the parts they hear less often get played first and the parts they've heard more often play later when they are drifting off to sleep
Did they make it alphabetical?
People are not YTPing radio shows are they? Like making comedians try to refute their own potential lies.
Couldn't they just... start video from the middle the next day?
It's not a video. I do something similar with this programme and other Radio 4 comedy panel shows in that I often fall asleep to them. I've heard them all many times anyway, so missing chunks is no issue.
@@dodsg Video, audio - does not really matter
Then it would only last 15 minutes which might not be enough to fall asleep. I think maybe the guy also lowers the volume on the loud bits a bit.
I just set my podcast to a 15 minute sleep timer, then when I wake up press back until about -7 minutes. If I still don't recognize it, a few more minutes.
@@Nabend1402 Oh! I didn't get it at all til now! Thank you!
(Still seems kinda ridiculous though...)
This has only been out for two minutes but this is already a banger
I can't see a reason why you shouldn't
Two of these people are lying!
Richard osman had a lot of prase for lateral on the rest is entertainment podcast.
Wouldn't they see the other comedians while making the edit? Also wouldn't it be significantly eaiser to just fast forward to the part you missed the next night? I don't believe this person actually did this.
Nothing to be seen. It's a radio programme. It's well worth listening to as they have some real gems.
He definitely does it, the re-edited eps are available to download.
You overestimate the amount of admin sleepy people are willing to do :-D
"The next night" part is poor explanation here, the reality is that people loop through the entire back catalog repeatedly. So having a version of the catalog where the episodes start differently is convenient.
Thumbs down for David Mitchell Click Bait 😢
What click bait do you see?
0:22.... making my guess
Well im going to assume its something like putting the lies into a pseudo-chronological order to show the interesting life of the Bizzarro-Universe version of the comedians? Like if in one lie someone says "i was about twelve when my mom cooked my dog Snuffles into a pie" and a second story has them claim "i was thirteen when my dog Snuffles number 2-ed on the carpet"?
The Unbelievable Truth is an excellent show. And the lies don't work like that. They're not personal.