Gotham 5x07 - Jeremiah wants to recreate the Wayne’s death

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  • @geeklegacy8871
    @geeklegacy8871 5 років тому +283

    Man this scene is so awesome

    • @MrValeska
      @MrValeska  5 років тому +4

      I know man I think I'll upload some more scenes

    • @geeklegacy8871
      @geeklegacy8871 5 років тому +2

      Mr. Valeska np this scene is pretty cool i can use for my edit your deserve more view and more subscriber because your 2 first edit are perfect 👌 i love in the scene or jeremiha valeska say i gonna be the star of the show and i love ecco can you look my last edit please bro

    • @MrValeska
      @MrValeska  5 років тому +1

      @@geeklegacy8871 will do thanks

    • @98Ashb
      @98Ashb 2 роки тому

      @@MrValeska a great nod to Burtons Batman

  • @livvin-killin5557
    @livvin-killin5557 2 роки тому +445

    This actor was such an great underrated actor. At some scenes I got Heath Ledger vibes . Definitely better than Suicide Squad Joker .

    • @Starkiller2725
      @Starkiller2725 2 роки тому +33

      He did a great job of mixing Mark Hamill and Heath Ledger in his performances, in my opinion. In both of his iterations.

    • @shcaptinshmarica
      @shcaptinshmarica 2 роки тому +8

      Suicide squad joker was different from Heath Ledger one. Even the director or writer said this, saying Jarod leto played it too good but people don't know that both joker were different.

    • @floydofnova2743
      @floydofnova2743 2 роки тому +11

      @@shcaptinshmarica nah Jared Leto's Joker was a disrespect to the Joker character in the Suicide Squad but he was great in the Snyder Cut

    • @shcaptinshmarica
      @shcaptinshmarica 2 роки тому +2

      @@floydofnova2743 he was the first joker i watched, so i reached alot that why people hate him as joker, that's when i found out the thimgs i said in my previous comment.

    • @koorirk2898
      @koorirk2898 2 роки тому +2

      @@floydofnova2743 he had like 5 lines in the snider cut

  • @VergilEdits
    @VergilEdits 2 роки тому +167

    The acting in this series is something else

    • @PhysicallyAwake
      @PhysicallyAwake 2 роки тому +5

      I’ve always said that the only reason Gotham is considered remotely good is because of the acting.
      Season 1 was fine, but it was honestly boring. The writing was tame, and the characters were mostly likeable, but a lot of the story line was forgettable and the villains were more so annoying then anything.
      Season 2 was significantly better, but in all honestly got very messy and choppy in a lot of sections. They’re was just too much going on to actually enjoy the episode. Too many storylines taking place all at once.
      Season 3 had the best character introductions and even villains, but the writing wasn’t good. It was kind of disappointing, considering how amazing the newly introduced characters were, like Jerome.
      Season 4 was imo the best season, perfect balance of everything. Still lacking in some departments. But gave most of my favorite characters a spotlight, like Jerome and Jeremiah, Penguin, and Riddler.
      And season 5 was okay, it didn’t exceed or disappoint my expectations.
      My biggest complaint with the show is that it’s unbalanced and unpredictable overall. I physically can’t LIKE or DISLIKE a season the most because EACH season had good storylines, and downright horrible ones. I already said season 4 was my personal favorite, but then you have to remember all of the River-dale type writing it had going on, and some of the characters were very unlikeable at times, but then became my favorite character for an episode.

    • @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
      @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Рік тому +3

      ​​@InternallyExhausted 🏳️‍⚧️ no its not just the acting, it's the set design and story. Season 1 was great although I didn't much like the Gordon stuff, Sal marpni and the ogre were standouts. Ogre is the scariest and hardest to watch villain in the show. This show truly felt like a comic book series in the best way possible. I really disagree that it was super flawed. It had dumb arcs but they added to the characters and were entertaining most of the time. I'm not the biggest fan of the realistic season 1 other than riddler but it is good. Penguin works

  • @tomwwfc_7008
    @tomwwfc_7008 Рік тому +45

    i have no idea how people are saying this scene was lame. this was one of the stronger episodes and scenes of season 5

    • @MrValeska
      @MrValeska  Рік тому +5

      It’s because they miss Jerome

  • @Rahsuru
    @Rahsuru 2 роки тому +205

    I always found it fascinating that Jeremiah calls Lee Tompkins a dear friend to Bruce, despite the fact that Bruce and Lee have very few interactions throughout the show. There’s no doubt they care for each other, except that they don’t talk to each other very much or have many scenes together.

    • @arturofernandez4058
      @arturofernandez4058 2 роки тому +14

      Also, Jim isn't a father figure for Bruce. Alfred would have made much more sense

    • @alexandrefrauches132
      @alexandrefrauches132 2 роки тому +25

      @@arturofernandez4058 To be fair, Jim had moments where play the role of mentor and father figure to Bruce, specially in season 3, when he advice Bruce to tell his feelings for Selina, or in season 4 where he is the one that helps Bruce get over the angst phase he was going through.

    • @justsomeone1555
      @justsomeone1555 2 роки тому +6

      Respectfully, i disagree. The scene's awesome but i don't think the Lee part is fascinating, i think it's odd that the scene tries to make it as if Lee and Bruce are close friends and her death will deeply impact him when that clearly was never the case in the show. They barely knew each other and i doubt they even cared about each other's existence before this scene. Though, to be fair to the show, i guess there just wasn't a woman Bruce was close with except Selina but she couldn't be used by Jeremiah on this Martha role for obvious reasons.

    • @superiorspider-nava1943
      @superiorspider-nava1943 2 роки тому +1

      @@justsomeone1555 Jeremiah is jelaous because she was "afected to a chemical before and became evil, and don't take away her as him

    • @xanderm6090
      @xanderm6090 2 роки тому +1

      @@justsomeone1555 She did interact with Bruce. Being his therapist for at least a few episodes.

  • @knightfall7704
    @knightfall7704 9 місяців тому +24

    I actually wish we could get these actors back for some type of Dark Knight Returns movie. Don’t think it will ever happen

    • @MrValeska
      @MrValeska  9 місяців тому +3

      Never say never

  • @devanmoran
    @devanmoran 2 роки тому +69

    cameron is so beautiful amazing actor david is too

  • @yozeez3806
    @yozeez3806 2 роки тому +155

    Jeremiah is definitely a yandere

  • @ryanstauffer119
    @ryanstauffer119 2 роки тому +214

    Having Joker to be the one who killed Bruce's parents in the Tim Burton 1989 film was a genius idea. having Batman's worst enemy be the one responsible for making him so Batman could be the one to create the Joker in return.
    And how could anyone do anything with the Joker having some relation to the Thomas and Martha's deaths? Having him recreate the event. This was a genius idea for Gotham. Jeremiah considers Bruce his best friend and wanted to be part of the most important moment of his life. If Jeremiah succeeded at killing Jim and Lee, he would have gave Bruce... one bad day.
    And of course, for the 2019 Joker film, he inspired one of his followers to kill Thomas and Martha. Honestly, Joker recreating Thomas and Martha's deaths should be something that DC should do in the comics. Since Joker trying to drive Jim mad in The Killing Joker with one bad day became a huge success in the name of comics, DC doing a comic similar to this episode would probably be another huge success.

    • @chrisahearn789
      @chrisahearn789 2 роки тому +4

      Reminds me of the story of the Batman who laughs. Since he was infected by joker venom after the joker made him snap and kill him after he had made him watch as he orphaned a series of children in the same way Bruce's parents died before jokerizing the kids

    • @solaris5303
      @solaris5303 2 роки тому +7

      > Having Joker to be the one who killed Bruce's parents in the Tim Burton 1989 film was a genius idea
      Along with giving him a name and a backstory, killing Bruce's parents sort of ruined the whole mystery of the Joker. There's a reason why it's never caught on in the comics, even thirty years later.

    • @alexandrefrauches132
      @alexandrefrauches132 2 роки тому +11

      Disagree about Joker killing the Waynes in the Burton movies was a good idea. It just takes aways the simplicity of their death, that they were kill by just thug, showing how crime is random and can happen to anyone at any place and time, and that not every tragedy is a big conspiracy or the criminal not always end up being a important figure.
      However I think Jeremiah plot of trying to recreate the Wayne's death in Gotham is a brilliant plan and reflects Joker narcissism and obsession for being Batman's enemy. If Joker knew Batman's backstory, he would probably not be happy to know that he wasn't the one who cause Batman's biggest tragedy in life and would try to replace that figure in Batman's eyes.

    • @PulsestarFM
      @PulsestarFM 2 роки тому +3

      He actually has tried to recreate it in the comics actually! He even brought back Joe Chill and jokerized him just to get the job done.

    • @ryanstauffer119
      @ryanstauffer119 2 роки тому +1

      @@PulsestarFM Really?! What’s the name of the comic?! I wanna check it out!

  • @tmntfanaticij8459
    @tmntfanaticij8459 2 роки тому +28

    I Just noticed in Jeremiah's Backside of his hair he has the Hamill type spikes.

    • @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
      @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Рік тому +4

      TMNTFanatic IJ Hamill's looks more like a devil or a newsman haircut. Jerome in season 3 had Hamill style but jeremiah has the Telltale Villain Joker style. Makes him look like a crazy artist with the coat too and the green shine in the hairs. But yes it does capture the same idea as hamills

    • @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
      @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Рік тому

      Also what took you so long to notice. Maybe you aren't as Gotham obsessed as me tho

    • @tmntfanaticij8459
      @tmntfanaticij8459 Рік тому

      Bro it's been 11 months

  • @DaRichMan
    @DaRichMan 6 місяців тому +6

    This scene is kind of a perfect a perfect Joker scene. He wants to do two things: Cause chaos to cut off Gotham from the rest of the world and to be the most important person in Bruce's life by killing two very important people in his life. That is The Joker.

  • @pramusetyakanca1552
    @pramusetyakanca1552 10 місяців тому +17

    In a video Vee Infuso did about Season 3 Joker, he asked some of the cast who was their favorite Joker that Cameron played.
    What I remember vividly is David saying that Cameron played three Jokers, that reflected the three Jokers from that one comic storyline. And it all hit, as it probably did for others.
    Jerome: The Clown
    Jeremiah: The Criminal
    J: The Comedian

  • @dbzking02
    @dbzking02 Рік тому +12

    Bruce's coat in this show is like Smallville Clark's red/blue jacket and t-shirt.

    • @nickthebabba7767
      @nickthebabba7767 8 місяців тому +2

      Won’t lie, I always thought of Gotham to be in the same universe as Smallville.
      (Despite there being a Batman in the Smallville universe already)

    • @jemmellpyron2527
      @jemmellpyron2527 2 місяці тому

      ​@@nickthebabba7767Was never a fan of the smallville comic batman look. But Gotham is so ambiguous in its time frame, i can totally picture Gotham and Smallville in the same universe.

  • @liamsingsofficial05
    @liamsingsofficial05 2 роки тому +26

    The actor who plays Jeremiah plays Cal in Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order.

    • @DavidLS1
      @DavidLS1 2 роки тому +11

      And Ian Gallagher from Shameless.

    • @Cammm___
      @Cammm___ Рік тому +1

      right

    • @PlaystationGamerZX
      @PlaystationGamerZX Рік тому

      That why I'm here 🤣 after watching Cameron and Mark Hamil video on Jedi survivor, it make me instanly realized they both play joker 🤣 I completely forgot about Cameron play Joker, man it been long time 🤣

  • @ryanhealy9026
    @ryanhealy9026 11 місяців тому +10

    He already is the star of the show

  • @constipatedparker5879
    @constipatedparker5879 2 роки тому +26

    It's funny that both of the actors who played Gordon and Dr Thompkins are married irl.

  • @Humanipathic
    @Humanipathic 2 роки тому +109

    Cameron is fantastic. But Jeremiah didn’t quite hit me like Jerome did and the twin brother thing was bit soapy…

    • @alex21390
      @alex21390 2 роки тому +19

      Definitely bit soapy. But I get why they hit differently. Mainly because they’re two different Jokers. Jerome is the crazy anarchistic clown. While Jeremiah is the calculating criminal

    • @ghostfacekiller4371
      @ghostfacekiller4371 2 роки тому +10

      Jeremiah was much better than Jerome tho.

    • @Humanipathic
      @Humanipathic 2 роки тому +2

      @@ghostfacekiller4371 but he wasn’t

    • @ghostfacekiller4371
      @ghostfacekiller4371 2 роки тому +7

      @@Humanipathic He really was. Jeremiah was far more interesting from a psychology perspective, and his character actually had a consistent direction - Jerome was just all over the place.

    • @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
      @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Рік тому +1

      The whole show is soapy. But the twin brother thing was bad soap opera-y or soapy. It was just bad.

  • @Bigmellow_
    @Bigmellow_ 2 роки тому +30

    When the joker actually has a good joke

  • @DougUnfunny
    @DougUnfunny 2 роки тому +17

    his contacts don't allow him to blink, which is really distracting.

  • @edgeofreality1883
    @edgeofreality1883 2 місяці тому +2

    Uh guys. Those fireworks are giving off a serious no no vibe!

  • @randomllama9798
    @randomllama9798 Рік тому +24

    Love Cameron he plays to almost completely different versions of the joker with the essence of many jokers before him but not going to far into feeling like the joker.
    He managed to give a maniacal serial killer who only knew chaos and was loud and had a bit of humor to him and a calculated criminal who was dark and creepier and made them the perfect fit for as if they were one
    (If that makes sense at all)

  • @RoseRose-fk7ni
    @RoseRose-fk7ni 2 роки тому +19

    I mean I think most people would agree jim is like, third on the list of people bruce views as a father figure, many could argue he's not even on the list

    • @spectralight8412
      @spectralight8412 2 роки тому +1

      The main comics and old Batman cartoons set them up more as close friends and colleagues, but this show definitely added to their history and dynamic. I remember watching Batman Begins and The Batman (2004) series and seeing Jim Gordon comforting Bruce or giving his condolences immediately after his parents died and the two aren't in each other's lives for over a decade later when he's Batman, but never as Bruce Wayne. I like how this show picks up their relationship immediately after he comforts Bruce because he's in charge of the investigation and that sets up their friendship and dynamic as father figure and son figure. Alfred obviously still plays the major role of raising Bruce and guiding him, so Jim kind of doubles as occasional responsible parental figure and reckless uncle figure who let's Bruce slide when he gets involved in dangerous situations he shouldn't be in.

    • @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
      @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Рік тому

      Rose Rose Jeremiah is dumb

  • @My_Dark.
    @My_Dark. 2 роки тому +11

    Jeremiah is better Joker then Jerome becuse Jeremiah have strong relation with Bruce

    • @spectralight8412
      @spectralight8412 2 роки тому +3

      Jerome only wanted to kill Bruce because it was the last thing he remembered trying to do before he died so he was compelled to try to finish that business when he was brought back. I remember liking Jerome better at first. During my second rewatch I appreciated Jeremiah more.

  • @littlebunny6569
    @littlebunny6569 2 роки тому +5

    MY FAV MAN cameron Monaghan 😩😩😩!!

  • @twitch_toxicapple9859
    @twitch_toxicapple9859 2 роки тому +26

    3:17 so the knife didn't touch him or? 💀

    • @shadowphoenix1696
      @shadowphoenix1696 2 роки тому +9

      Probably just a shallow cut just to get Bruce of him

    • @revan_ftw7432
      @revan_ftw7432 2 роки тому +8

      His clothes are knife-proof. Alfred explains that much when Bruce first gets them

  • @shcaptinshmarica
    @shcaptinshmarica 2 роки тому +38

    This was better, i mean he looked better this way. In later seasons, he looked too scary. This look was pretty good and more elegant kinda. Maybe it's just me, so please don't be angry.

    • @z_stuartoliver
      @z_stuartoliver 2 роки тому +6

      please dont be angry lmao, you already expecting the ppl against an opinion. good one

    • @tonts5329
      @tonts5329 2 роки тому +7

      Jerome was more like the crazed clown version of the Joker. He's meant to be more deranged and scary.
      Jeremiah was more like the criminal mastermind Joker. He's a meticulous planner who really hits you on a personal level.

    • @shcaptinshmarica
      @shcaptinshmarica 2 роки тому +1

      @@tonts5329 oo okayy, thank you for explaining.

    • @smilxy2879
      @smilxy2879 2 роки тому +1

      @@tonts5329 They took the 3 Jokers arc with it:
      Jerome was the Clown
      Jeremiah was the Comedian
      J was the Criminal

    • @PhysicallyAwake
      @PhysicallyAwake 2 роки тому

      @@tonts5329 We also have to understand that this is the season Jeremiah is becoming the (non-canon) Joker. The last episode directly alludes to it, and this is also the start of when Jeremiah/Jokers relationship with Bruce/Batman begun.
      This series followed the plot line where the Joker has romantic feelings for Bruce, the actor, (Cameron) confirmed that Jeremiah did indeed have a complicated romantic attraction to Bruce.
      But you can also interpret it however you want, brotherly love, best friends, ect ect, because the entire point of S5 was to lead all of the characters up to becoming the widely know villains, hero’s, and otherwise IMPORTANT side characters we know today. So everything is left up to the viewer, just how characters change and are revised with the writers, we also get that sense of interpretation. Some people believe the joker doesn’t like Batman, but other series, and what not, like the Tell-Tale series, allude to Joker liking Batman romantically or being bisexual.
      It wouldn’t make sense if Jeremiah continued to be like he was in S4 considering hes quite the opposite of the Joker, and HE himself is going to BECOME the Joker.

  • @mrdemiurge7680
    @mrdemiurge7680 2 роки тому +33

    Why is he so different from season 4
    In season 4 he was cold, cunning, calculating, and actually scary
    In season 5 before he fell into the chemicals he was more playful, classy, obsessive, and wasn't as creepy as he was in season 4

  • @monbucketch
    @monbucketch Рік тому +7

    0:32 i want to be the star of the show!!

  • @talon532
    @talon532 2 роки тому +4

    Yeah I'm rewatching this series after Titans.

  • @ramonvp7179
    @ramonvp7179 2 роки тому +5

    Ian gallagher it's very crazy

  • @vikperson1058
    @vikperson1058 2 роки тому +42

    Why did Jeremiah's voice and look change in season 5?

    • @MrValeska
      @MrValeska  2 роки тому +22

      People weren’t happy with how he was in season 4. So they made him more Joker-y

    • @TheFragrantGangsters
      @TheFragrantGangsters 2 роки тому +13

      @@MrValeska damn I think he's better like this. Looks like a leper in season 5 lol

    • @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
      @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 2 роки тому +7

      he got to be himself more with no one else around because unlike jerome, he doesn't care about an audience. Only Batman (unfortunately in this case Bruce)

    • @cameronm1231
      @cameronm1231 2 роки тому +2

      I would agree if they keep his hair or have a long hair instead but not color green.

    • @ghostfacekiller4371
      @ghostfacekiller4371 2 роки тому

      @@MrValeska Nah, it was more to do with the laughing gas taking effect.

  • @arjuntamble8008
    @arjuntamble8008 2 роки тому +2

    That's Bruce Lee right there with Gordan

  • @ElHafidzMuhamad
    @ElHafidzMuhamad Рік тому +3

    2:26

  • @TSF15152
    @TSF15152 8 днів тому

    Shame Bruce wasn’t the bat at this point would have been a nice entrance

  • @alananimeboy17
    @alananimeboy17 Рік тому +2

    0:34 Worse than his brother oh my god bro!

    • @superiorspider-nava1943
      @superiorspider-nava1943 Рік тому +1

      In what sense?

    • @alananimeboy17
      @alananimeboy17 Рік тому +1

      @@superiorspider-nava1943 Jerome is great, Jeremiah is the one who created The Joker even he lied to everyone that he knew that Jerome wanted to kill him.This guy lied to his own parents and made his brother life miserable

  • @Thomas_Fan2024
    @Thomas_Fan2024 2 роки тому +8

    December 4th 2021 Cool

  • @Adversity_1
    @Adversity_1 10 місяців тому +2

    Watching this back now feels like ohio gotham version

  • @pancakepotato1953
    @pancakepotato1953 2 роки тому +5

    WHYYYY 2 minutes WHY I just don’t understand why put that much time for a bomb. 1 minute is more than enough to get away from the explosion

  • @Gelosus645
    @Gelosus645 2 роки тому +1

    So awesome r.i.p criminal lmao

  • @Daddyvader7
    @Daddyvader7 2 роки тому +5

    I hate timers just set it off if your gonna be a villain theirs no logical sense unless your actively trying to get away too

    • @MrValeska
      @MrValeska  2 роки тому +5

      Exactly. Bad writing.

  • @StraightToTheAve
    @StraightToTheAve Місяць тому

    Young Bruce didn’t cut it for me

  • @EliasWolf77
    @EliasWolf77 2 роки тому +36

    Let's be honest he played a better Joker than Heath... Heath was good but Cameron Monaghan actually acts like how the Joker from the comics, we all know that's true

    • @veg7042
      @veg7042 2 роки тому

      Your absolutely innocent

    • @justsomeone1555
      @justsomeone1555 2 роки тому +2

      Nah.

    • @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
      @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Рік тому

      ​@@veg7042 innocent? What

    • @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
      @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Рік тому +1

      eliaswolf77 yeah. I just never say this because ledger fanboys. As Jerome he did, jeremiah (not his fault) is too little like the classic joker. Ledger is pretty much the classic joker although subdued a tiny bit. So ledger was better than jeremiah but not Jerome. Accuracywise not scriptwise. Performancewise both served their role. Well.

  • @DavidLS1
    @DavidLS1 2 роки тому +3

    I liked him better as Ian Gallagher.

  • @victorwallec2534
    @victorwallec2534 2 роки тому +4

    anyone wanna explain why they just stood there like beeing mind controlled?

    • @MrValeska
      @MrValeska  2 роки тому +2

      Have you not watched the episode?

    • @MrValeska
      @MrValeska  2 роки тому +4

      The Madhatter did it

    • @victorwallec2534
      @victorwallec2534 2 роки тому +3

      @@MrValeska no i havent, but thanks for the anwser

    • @banditkeef3864
      @banditkeef3864 2 роки тому +9

      @@victorwallec2534 Jeremiah literally said he had jervis tech hypnotize them in this video

    • @victorwallec2534
      @victorwallec2534 2 роки тому +3

      @@banditkeef3864 english aint my first language, sometimes i miss things :/ + distracted by the great visuals

  • @cross3687
    @cross3687 Рік тому

    ian gallagher

  • @NOVA50427
    @NOVA50427 10 місяців тому +1

    He became worse every time

  • @sflores1985
    @sflores1985 2 роки тому +2

    Goofiest show ever.

  • @lautaromedrano3398
    @lautaromedrano3398 2 роки тому +1

    This scene sucks

  • @albarosantana7050
    @albarosantana7050 2 роки тому +2

    I'm really glad this show f****** ended . I couldn't stand this whole Jeremiah Jo Jeremiah joker whatever they were doing.

  • @xxMisterJxx
    @xxMisterJxx 2 роки тому +2

    Lmao god this show was so lame

    • @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
      @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Рік тому

      xxMisterJxx Naw its not for you. If you're looking primarily for action though look for another show. I get where you're coming from but if you watch the show and give it a chance if you like Batman the animated series, you might like this. This scene in my opinion honestly is not one of the best.

    • @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
      @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Рік тому

      I get it. This episode was hyped up but honestly it was pretty lame compared to the rest of the show. Dialogue was good but there wasn't much action this episode. Very personal between Bruce and jeremiah. Kinda peaked at the beginning of the episode and maybe after the fight.

  • @ElHafidzMuhamad
    @ElHafidzMuhamad Рік тому +3

    2:04