Emotional and Spiritual Maturity: Gabor Mate and Adyashanti
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
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In a rare meeting of minds, and a rare exploration of whether there is a predilection for spirituality, Gabor Mate asks Adyashanti to expand on passages from his recent book My Secret Is Silence. Later they discuss the influence of trauma on the spiritual path and the need for specialist help, spiritual bypassing, and the relationship between spiritual insight and emotional growth.
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Yesterday I turned 50. The past year has been a turning point in my life, when I started to realise that every episode of trauma, crisis, conflict, challenges and depression I've faced have bought me tremendous insight and understanding, although I didn't realise it at the time. Now I can see why these things occured and what advantage they have brought me now I no longer feel like a victim with self-pity. On the contrary now, every day I thank Divine Providence for bringing me these experiences and I see the knowledge I gained as a gift which can be turned into wisdom. So many times I felt like life was meaningless and too hard and almost gave up. My advice to anyone reading this going through bad times is to keep on going. Don't give up. Try to see the challenges and how you face them as lessons. Learn as much as you can about as many subjects as you can, especially spiritual wisdom and quantum physics. Watch and learn from nature. All the answers are there. Love and light H
Belated Happy 50th Birthday to you! Sounds like you received quite a gift. Thank you for sharing it with others. :)
Thank you Hersimone 🥀
Hersimone . I find your comments very helpful... thank you.
I think people might consider the fact that trauma has a way of impacting your ability to learn, at least academically - to say nothing of an aversion of anyone associated with the word spiritual because of the kind of abuse mentioned so who you learn from becomes an issue as well, plenty of people probably will avoid anyone identified with spiritual and even ignore the ones they have no issue with. Learning from nature is another story of course, but it shouldn't be difficult to understand that ones cognition may be affected significantly so something like quantum physics is certainly an issue. Motivationally of course don't give up is self explanatory, however we really need more to get a feel for your exprience, it's probably the kind of thing a memoir could fully express.
Deeply touched and grateful for your post 🕊️
Gabor may not feel that subtle energy, but he certainly radiates it. In our arguably disconnected and overly rationalistic culture, I consider his honesty, compassion, and humility to be far more valuable and easy to connect with, feel, and appreciate than I could with any spiritual abilities.
Yes
Absolutely. Human values. Let's get back to that. That's the foundation.
The bottom line with life is, that everything we do, say, experience etc..... there is something that's aware of it! This something that's aware of it can't be explained with words, it can only be realised. It's that still presence within that's always here from birth to death. It's timeless. That is the true self. We all know it, but it gets overlooked because of identification with thought, i.e.who we think we are, the conditioned mind and the body. This is ultimate truth, whether it's realised or not.
Thank you. Such a good observation.
@Jared on Brave Browser The majority of people are out of touch with their own emotions in a similar way. What is it you don't understand?
Gabor Mate has honesty, openness and an inquisitiveness that shines SO brightly and has inspired me and taught me for years. I'm very grateful to him.
Yes and I don't like that other guy
Agreed and at the 1 hour mark of the video where Gabor’s computer froze- he handled it so well and humble. Gabor is a good humanitarian.
@@jan-martinulvag1953 You're an idiot then. Lol.
Gabor Mate is such a wonderful person, with his gentle sense of humor and such moderation.
I FEEL IT TOO ... I'D CAST HIM IN A MOVIE AS A VERY COMPASSIONATE THERAPIST!
@@patricemarie2960 yes..
It's So Beautiful Beneficial to Me..
Giving Me Growth
And this is a man who has experienced the throes of addiction first hand.
Adya is coolish probably because he had a very light, karmic load. this would not have given him the depth of experience that Gabor went through and the learning that comes with it. Gabor definitely comes across as warmer.
Agree with that ~ it's this interview with this 'guy' that I don't like. I love Gabor.
What draws me to Dr Gabor Mate is his incredibly high display of sincerity, he seems to be truly engaged in the present.
Gabor, your vulnerability is palpable and healthy. ♡
Inner strength is readiness to be vulnerable. When pain is not resisted, it does not create suffering.
Dr mate is already enlightened and doesn’t realize it the gift knowledge he shares with so many is the evidence of that he is very much awake it’s just unique experience for each person💫
I agree. So totally evident in this talk. I observed him as the spiritual teacher.
Gabor "realizes" it...his trauma is that the "world" does not realize their own enlightenment....
The giant and the apprentice...
The one who knows, listens, the one who does not know, speaks.
Gabor's quote from Bernard Shaw's Saint Joan speaks volumes:
“-Charles. Oh, your voices, your voices. Why don't the voices come to me? I am king, not you!
-Joan. They do come to you, but you do not hear them. You have not sat in the field in the evening listening for them. When the angelus rings, you cross yourself and have done with it. But if you prayed from your heart and listened to the thrilling of the bells in the air after they stopped ringing, you would hear the voices as well as I do.”
Bingo!!🙏🙏❤❤❤
It is kinda funny how people use the word "enlightenment" in a spiritual context and don't understand it is basically the same thing as the one in "age of enlightenment". It is all about expanding your understanding and awareness of the universe.
Regarding the exploitation of followers by their gurus, put no human being on a pedastal. Take from their teachings what serves you but give up your authority or self to no one. Each human is on their own soul’s path and as such each human has much to learn while on this plane of existence. I am so grateful to Gabor for being so direct in confronting this issue. Very good discussion.
Submit only to the cosmos; not to the man or god pretending to be the cosmos....
There is so much truth in this comment. I work with several renown guru's, all of them are special humans and have wonderful information to share. However, after years of working with them I had this revelation which showed me that I AM THE GURU.... to only follow my inner voice, as everything else is a distraction from my personal evolution & freedom. +Peace on Earth+
My father is God. My brothers and sisters are all living things on this planet. My children are my thoughts and ideas. My intention is love. Life is simple because I am complex.
This stupid western rejection of surrender or renunciation is The most clear and strong sign of Ego. Of me. Myself. Of I. The phantom I.
What one surrenders to is Truth.
No matter what vessel is in.
@@thoughtsonhigh4103 I, my, my, my. And you claim to be the guru? Please. Get a hold of youself.
Who are you without your story? Who are you now? This moment. Where are you? Can you locate yourself? If so show me. Where exaxtly is this I? Who had a revelation? Who says I am the guru? Who follows your "inner voice"?
"Everything else is a distraction from MY personal evolution and freedom" >>> this stinks Ego. Actually all of it. It is amazing though, there is a saying, if you hang around birds you learn to fly(or something like that) yet, you claim to have been around enlightnened masters and gurus and what stuck on you was something like, yeah, this dudes know a lot, but I know a lot too now, now I am the guru. Thanks guys, now don't disturb me i'm getting enlightenend.
Poor fella.
Eckhart Tolle does mention Trauma but his description is the pain body. He speaks in depth about pain from childhood being stored up within us and being triggered by conditions that are different for all of us. Thank you Dr. Mate for your work in Trauma
Very true, and it's a big part of his books, even the collective pain body is mentioned.
Excellent point. The pain body concept was first written about in The Power of Now in the late 1990’s and at that time much of what we now know pertaining to Childhood Trauma and PTSD was not as known and discussed. Eckhardt labeled it “ the pain body” but since then so much is now known about Trauma and its effects with Teachers and Authors such as Dr. Mate
@analogkid4957 can you tell me what's the difference in Eckart tolle and gabor mate approach towards trauma.
WOW THIS IS SUCH a good point about spiritual teachers not addressing trauma, not even knowing what it is! We really need more spiritual teachers who come from the experience of trauma!
YES! Suffering isn't guaranteed to awaken but it provides the sharpest challenge to human beings, forcing the choice to awaken and grow or go down with pain. Those who have trauma, if they have reached even the same level in their development as your average person, trust me - they have travelled further to get there. If they are further beyond your average person in development, they have seen and heard things that bring humanity forward and which we need to hear
Also, I think that some spiritual seekers are looking in the wrong place for healing or trying to bypass trauma work in favor of the "higher" option. A good spiritual teacher should know when to recognize it and refer the seeker to someone who can do the work.
Yes! I found truth thru many many trauma. Sometimes we must go thru hell to get to heaven! I love you!!
I really appreciate this comment. Focusing on the mind only, with no discussion of the body, seems to me like we are missing a big piece. I have known spiritual teachers to spiritually bypass their own trauma by not acknowledging it at all and then that leaves people who can’t control their mind, for example, feeling worse about themselves because they aren’t as good as their teacher. This just makes me appreciate Dr. Mate more. I do not think “enlightenment” is possible without processing our own traumas. We have to be able to hold the whole of our lives and not just focus on the “good”.
@@carisaauthier1657 Amen! YES!
Waiting for a talk between Dr. Mate & Eckart Tolle..that would be the ultimate conversation!
Tracy Dumka
The ultimate conversation should between two appealing point of views like gabor mate and ekhart against jordan peterson, that will be awesome
@@IceThawing add Rupert Spira plz
@@bettyboop4634 Interesting. Can you help me with this and give a good example of a talking point or story that Tolle "borrowed" from Watts? TIA!
IceThawing 慢
IceThawing 慢mo
"and so rock bottom became the solid foundation on which I rebuilt my life." -J.K. Rowling Rebuilt (spirituality)♥
It can also be the greatest deception, amounting to fully operating on a pain trauma and then ending up successfully bringing more existential fear into the world, but wrapped in a lovely packaging.
And/or it can be a mix of the two. Truth and lie could be seen as factors always present next to each other. (Concepts of exclusivity tend to fall away with enlightenment.)
Two of my favorite people in the entire world. Thank you so much for this!!
‘Silence isn’t just the lack of sound.’ I understood this recently- silence is this state of quietness that you can slip into regardless of noise, light and chaos around you. I’ve found myself in turbulent situations and intense physical noise but I’m still able to tap into that stillness.
I'd love that, be my own active noisecancelling :)
I agree with Gabor Mate about brining the subject of trauma into the spiritual domain. To acknowledge it at the very least. There are many of us living with trauma trying to practice meditation with devotion to the point of actually abusing ourselves. Trauma is on the blindspot of spiritual teachings which makes one dealing with trauma even more ashamed. I know that it needs to be addressed by other ways but it would be really helpful to support our practice by encouraging us perhaps a bit differently. Especially that people suffering from trauma are indeed very motivated in going beyond their personalities so there are a high number of us who are affected by the lack of empathy/understanding in the spiritual community. So thank you Gabor Mate for bringing this up. Finally someone did it.
He who talks the loudest often says nothing. Gabor is a legend.
That’s what I was thinking.
I totally agreed to you both.
Love these two! Never expected to see them together
Me neither
@Diana Mitford Who isn't?!
weston I'm surprised too 😲
@@twrkhanasparukh I am not surprised.
Of these two---- to me Gabor is the actual "spiritual" being. He "embodies" seeking and being spiritual. He makes sense to mu gut--- always.
agreed
Yes. Adyashanti is foolish. Sorry not sorry.
Agreed! I hear A. talking and just feel bored.
@@loriyearwood3059 i suspect majorly a great "speaker" but experientially challenged :)))
Yes. Gabor Sooo deep.
Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.
Yes!
@Richard Alpert lol what would Ram Dass say? 🧐
Fino Meneze
After 15 years I’ve witnessed more people than not, have a shift in ego ..feeling superior to others after learning a tiny bit of these teachings. It gets old ..I’ve gone through this stage (dance) and it passes with some it never does.
@@dawndevine5831 maybe there's even further comedic value in feeling superior about no longer needing to feel superior...at least for me ...(ring the bell here)
I would love to hear a conversation like that between Eckhart Tolle and Gabor Mate! This would be really great
MrFlandrija I concur!
@MrFlandrija, there would not be many words needed.:-)
I don't think Eckhart has time
Dr mate is a man who Teaches Out of practice and self made experiences authentic , while tolle just repeats what he did read in books
@@Elpaso555 It seems to me, you have not researched that, as its a wrong statement you make.
1:00:39: REPRESSION, DENIAL & HONESTY. Gloria Steinen: “The truth will liberate you, but first it will piss you off.”
I wish Gabor had asked him about the so-called negative feelings we tend to repress to be 'spiritually correct'.
Authenticity is the new spirituality :-)
Finally these two topics being explored together. Spirituality and trauma. Sometimes severe trauma places us in disembodied spiritual state. Living a real life, day to day, along with an embodied integrative practice to me holds the potential of unification between spirit 'I am', and matter (movement, emotions, life). There is a place where trauma and spirituality meet... I call it embodiment.
@@sedaunlucay no am not. Good luck with your course...all my pieces are claimed and loved and home again
@@ivanvincent7534 I 'know', you know what you are talking about. The pain/fear memory trapped in the body, needing recognition, compassionate acceptance before we can move on and function fully as a spiritual being, experience life through this physical form.
Trauma took me into the Deep and that's where the real lessons are x
@@ivanvincent7534 Namaste.
It's not what happened to you....it's how you handle it. This applies whether it is a moment of trauma or enlightenment....
Now that I’ve watched more of this interview, I SUPER appreciate Gabor bringing up trauma, spiritual bypassing and sexual impropriety. Awesome. Thank you.
Gabor became an outlier despite immense pressure from his peers, he is such a humble human spirit and has no idea how we all benefit from his humanity.
Dr Gabor's sense of humor reminds me a lot of His Holiness the Dalai Lama's. It's SO delightful. Also--what bravery it took to ask Adyashanti so directly about the sexual abuse within the spiritual community. I've never heard someone ask those questions, but I have always wanted to know the answer. Thank you Dr Gabor. Your teachings might not look like all the other spiritual teachers', but they are grounded in so many of our lived experiences. You can find enlightenment in the cosmos, for sure, but you can find it in the soil beneath your feet, too. Köszönöm!
I've been listening to Adya some for a while, and he's given me some good insights and meditations, and I just found Gabor and have been enjoying some of his talks. Listening to this I was thinking, "What a delightful conversation between two people trying to learn but with a interviewer/interviewee dynamic." When I started reading the comments, it was disturbing how many people are full of judgment and acting as if there is some opposition here. All I sense is mutual respect and love between them.
The only one who made sense to me here was Gabor. I also admired his totally "listening" body posture and searching for truths questions.
Adyashanti was not making sense?
H. Bird I agree. I found the other guy inauthentic. Just from listening to him I sort of got that BS vibe going off :P
@@stevrgrs Vibes, eh? But then what did he say that was bullshit, for example?
Funnily enough, "the other guy" is one of the most authentic spiritual teachers around, in league with Pema Chödrön and others. It's quite the no bullshit lineage, all about accepting reality as it is. But please let me know if you find him talking fluff / bullshit / nonsense somewhere... I like surprises
@@stevrgrs It's funny I had the same feeing about him. he's unsettled.
agreed
Dr Mate, you attributed the quote to a president but in fact it was Gloria Steinem who said, “The truth will liberate you, but first it will piss you off.”
"A woman needs the truth like a man needs a bicycle" - Gloria Steinem
oh ~ are you referring to the same *Gloria Steinem*
who was a *CIA agent & Close Friend of War Criminal Henry Kissinger* ~😊😋🤣😆😅
~ that's about all the truth i need
..... I THINK IT'S CALLED ...."GOING WITH LIFE!"
ANYWAY! ......
@Guerrilla Garden Sorry, but before Ms Steinem (whom I really admire) said this, it was attributed to President Garfield.
Adya has helped transform my life and Falling into Grace was such a profound book to me!!
I could listen to these two talking all day.
The grand
Curious Pope loves you
Our blessed Vatican awaits you
You could say that again!
These two people coming together is spectacular. So grateful
I love what Gabor mate says from around 43 minutes onwards. Brilliant! .he's very patient and understanding but he expresses himself from then on. Not too interested in the bald guy but love gabor mate and his way of cutting through the bullshit !
Thanks
"The bald guy" as you call him is hardly prone to bullshit, though.
same here
@@BeyondSideshow not prone to bs, just bs
Great point by Adyashanti: "Englightenment is defined simply by powerful moments is a misconception." Yes, and I would also agree with his idea that spiritual work is more like medicine than an intellectual statement. However, when I see him talk to people like Oprah, I feel like he sells his brand of spirituality like it's some emotional "ah ha" moments.
Mate tries to dig deeper into the essence of spirituality, beyond the dopamine hit "feel good" moments and IS trying to see is it as a form of medicine as well. That's why I think he brought up the point about trauma, since trauma can be considered the greatest psychological and emotional wound (or disease) one can suffer from. Yet, Adyashanti is alluding that trauma should be treated by therapy, not necessarily spiritual teachings. It's almost as if he's trying to relinquish the responsibility of spiritual work healing trauma.
If it's not there to heal trauma, what is it there for, is I think what Mate was pressing on. Mate is suggesting that if it's not to heal trauma, the existential disease of humanity, then is spiritual work just some recreational activity for bored suburbanites? Adyashanti faced, in my opinion, some contradictions there. I do respect him but I find his brand of spirituality recreational, by his own definition, which feel like a pop culture product, rather than a deeper, profound spiritual medicine that Mate is trying to show.
Lee from L.A. except the ah hah moments are beyond the realm of body.. it’s hard to put it in words, he can only point, and he does great. It’s no brand at all.
Lee from L.A.
I agree.
To me Adyashanti is just another peddler of New Age idealism for profit, targeted
at suburbanites with disposable income.
@@Rootedinthewild '
Oh, it is a brand alright.
He has been placed on a pedestal and uses that to live easy off of
insecure people seeking "enlightenment".
Hit the nail on the head there. When I heard that cop-out regarding trauma, I called out "BS!" I couldn't listen anymore.
Adyashanti ( as he calls himself )
is no different from Tolle / Spira
and half dozen other fake gurus.
Peddling the same vacuous drivel
- almost everything he says is
completely devoid of meaning.
Two of the most authentic people I know of. Humble, grounded and honest 🌹
Dr Gabor mate should talk with Ken Wilber, waking up, growing up, cleaning up, and lastly showing up.
Bibin Raj Is it a competition?
yes.
To people who are talking about Adyashanti, maybe it is not Adyashanti but our conception of who Adyashanti is in our minds.
I mean we project an image of him as "this" and when we finally see the reality of it, we get disappointed, we say he is fake or not enlightened.
My point is, this whole spiritual journey in my understanding is to become "aware", to be aware what our mind is telling us including our biases, judgement, fears, projections, ambitions, as this is part of our conditioning.
"We are all just walking each other home"
Let us not be judgemental because it is the same Ego telling us its own projections.
Judgement is a double-edged sword.🗡
These people on this page are absolutely clueless about Adyashanti
Good inquiries and concepts. It's interesting how cerebral we get, and the older I get, the more Ii'm learning to embrace simplicity versus calculability. Be Real with How I Feel. Say 'No' if it feels like a 'no'. It's the simple stuff my mom couldn't teach me, because she didn't know it either.
Andrea Robinson great point! Wisdom lies in simplicity
Meditation and watching my mind has never worked for me on a deeper level. But by listening to Dt Maté, I now understand the reasons for my lifelong depression, feelings of loneliness, fears and anxieties, and have been able to heal by allowing myself to re-connect to my instincts and the emotions that go back to my childhood. Thank you for your work, Dr Maté! It has changed my life!
“Being honest with yourself “ is not easy because, as Dr Maté says, we learned from a very early age, to suppress those emotions and parts of ourselves that were too painful to experience as vulnerable children just wanting to attach to those who were caring for us.
There is a somewhat related document, something I wish everybody would read, that I can recommend here. But this platform is vexingly difficult with such things, so please search for "eqi invalidation" and you should find the text.
There is definitely energetically positive & negative feelings I get around people & places. I think the people able to connect to that feeling are empathic due to years of practice & training, either from meditation leading to self awareness or from abuse/trauma requiring the skill to simply survive.
Anna-bird Retired you must be an empath ❤️ not everyone can feel energy
I have had the sense of a spiritual connection a few times, in places and with people. It's nothing I can control.
Same
The initial question and inquiry about peoples make up toward spiritual / energetic sensitivity.... Do some have it "more" than others.... ?... We ALL have the capacity for spiritual and energetic sensitivity. It's our "blueprint". Indeed it's on a continuum..... however we all have the innate, implicit capacity to the degree we do. And ABSOLUTELY... it's developed over time with and due to experience (spontaneous awakening) and /or to practice. We all have it. We all "are it".
A spiritual teacher should absolutely be an expert in trauma, I find it bizarre that Adyashanti would say otherwise 46:56
Thats true. I have seen a lot of spiritual people that did not suffer trauma ever.
Adyashanti is a Fake, He is very low on the evolutionary level of consciousness but for some twisted reason has arrived to vomit other peoples views to give himself credibility. And sadly people buy into it.
agree... 100%
💯, very odd. He talked in circles quite a bit & contradicted himself, also was quite defensive at times and appeared haughty at times. People that have come to profound spiritual insights are not this way. He is definitely limited in his self awareness/consciousness
Lolly LuLa absolutely agree!
What a gem. How great these two interacted and there is video of the exchange! Total gift :)
Every human being on this earth has experienced a trauma.
It might have been small ones, or big ones but we all have felt them anyway.
And we did not dissolve them, we just hardened oureselfs against it, creating the 'me' as the good fantasy.
Seeing this 'me' actually, means; feeling the hurt once felt, and then Love steps in to solve it.
thanks for sharing the video! :-)
Thomas Pieters agreed! And I think we hang on to the false ‘me’ out of fear that if we relinquish it, we would be obliterated, but it seems like answer is to surrender it and feel the true pain and allow love to dissolve it.
@@jeremiet2739👍 , as Adyashanti once wrote, when the mask comes off, the player steps out of the theater and discovers the enormity of it all.
Being born is a trauma for start..
@@annalavotha6292 , compassionate thought of you👍, but there seems to be something 'extra' in this fact of Life..
Beeing bourne needs to be a tremendous change, both as the pain for the mother, the cold-snap for the child and the forceful experiance of the father.
Life, not yours or mine, but The Life..does not bring a trauma with it.
If it feels like this, then Life emediatly repears it, as the father might land back on its feet, the mother 'forgets' the phisical pain and the child ( without memory jet..) reacts on the warmth of the mothers imbrace, beeing only in the Now.:-)
The Life, if you would ask me that is, to me has the same origin as The Love.
In whitch faults do not exsist.
The trauma comes later for the little human being, when thought and 'time' comes in, as result of memory.
Without thoughts taking over in the realm of psyche, there is no pain or trauma at all.
Thought should not be there, it is not it's function.
Your senses are enough, no need for the storytelling thought, which is never Truth.
Wouldn't that be..'timeless', when The Love steps in without ever asking it?
Enjoy the Life, which you ARE :-)
@@ThomiX0.0 How about when two traumatized people conceive, wouldn't the energy/frequency/vibration not already be transmitted at conception?
THE WORK THIS MAN HAS DONE ON THE CHILDHOOD ROOT IS BANG ON THE BUTTON TIME TO MAKE UP AND WAKE UP OLD PAIN AN FIX IT ALL FITS THE PUZZLE PERFECT
Yes, it is relaxing to accept that I can't stop my mind, but I can replace the thoughts with awareness of breathing and being simply present.
When Gabor mentioned trauma I'm surprised he said that it has never been tackled by spiritual teachers. I say this because I listen to a lot of Eckhart, and he often mentions the 'pain body'. When we cease to live in the now, and the insecurities, rages, judgement towards others surface, Eckhart often refers to this as our pain body coming up. And we silence our pain by observing it and holding it, recognising where it comes from. Now in other talks I've watched of Gabor - who to me has been a great gift to listen to - Gabor mentions that he felt hurt and sulked one evening when upon flying back home from a weekend retreat, his wife did not pick him up from the airport (in a few words). Gabor says he realised where that anger and pain came from. They came from his childhood experience of abandonment, when his mum had left him with a stranger because the Nazis were closing in on the Jews in Budapest. Although she did it out of love, in his child's mind it translated into abandonment.
To come to my point - Gabor is probably already doing what Eckhart would tell him to do - recognising the pain, recognising where it comes from, holding it and letting go. Letting go is not always easy but in my opinion Gabor is there, well on his spiritual path, but he's too humble to realise it ❤
Can you say me what's the difference in approaches of Eckart tolle and gabor mate towards trauma.
I want to do research on Siddartha novel by hesse
I agree with the previous comments Gabor seems to be real and authentic. The other guy seems stiff, from the head down, cold, ie non feeling, who reads a lot but does not embody very much, but has rehearsed " what it is like to be enlightened."
You clearly know absolutely nothing about Adyashanti.
Super enjoyable talk, i like and respect both of these men immensely
I wonder what kind of enlightenment can happen without knowledge and feeling of trauma (that is in us and all around us)?
Gabor Maté's light shines stronger than he seems to be aware.
It comes from working through the tough stuff, the personal and the collective trauma.
Whether we engage willingly or are pushed into suffering, it provides contrast that, if studied instead of ran away from, leads to enlightenment, because duality is the principle at work, so through knowing duality and eventually understanding its pros and cons, we mature.
Balance brings health. - (And it is part of the spiritual learning experience to not mistake that balance for status quo.)
This is an incredibly beautiful and honest conversation between two brilliant humans. Thank you so much!
Want to just comment on the feeling of a "place". In traveling to Berlin for the first time (and alone), I immediately sensed a heaviness that I did not expect. Having this feeling persist and even grow during my visit, I came to understand it as sensing the weight of history that had taken place there.
The idea that energy is bound to geographical and political borders is kinda weird, especially when those borders change over time and if you consider how much killing was done to indigenous people nearly all over the world - would the whole world have a very depressing energy. Anyway, weird logic to me.
@@froschkenig ive thought the same
As Jiddu Krishnamurti once mentioned ; " Truth is a pathless land."
No one can show you the route to go, one has to be once own teacher, student and experiencer, at the same time.
The 'teacher' with an issue of sex-abuse, did not overcome his greed for the 'me' he would have past by.
so.., in whát would he be a teacher to me??
thanks for sharing this video. :-)
Amen
Well said! 🙏🙏❤❤
Gabor mates presence is so loud despite being so quiet. His stillness in his energy is a great example to model
Can we have many more hours with these two? I love the combo. Such genius. Such heart. Such humanity.
Whenever we feel frustrated or angry, we are in a state of fear and neediness. We are seeing our selves inaccurately, and fearing being inadequate, and wishing to be special. Frustration and anger disappear when we accept Love as Our Real State of Being; when we accept Our Will to Love constantly. When we accept Our Will to Love, all of the trauma caused by the rest-less ego-centric mind is put to rest, as Love is Rest-ful, because It is Pure Harmonious Energy. To be Emotionally Sound is to be Mentally and Spiritually Sound.
Right, and people like Adyashanti perpetuate the myth of what 'enlightenment' looks like. So good on you, Mate. Tear that wall down!
nah.. adyashanti is actually one of those who tell it like it is, and doesn't discount our humanity and its imperfections. he mentions a number of times how our humanity can be humbling.
I would suggest to anyone who is interested in a spiritual teacher who is also an expert on trauma to search for Teal Swan's material. And I'm also completely in agreement with Gabor Mate that trauma is a term that should be discussed more often and more seriously because, as he implies, medical community will soon find out that trauma is indeed a root of all mental and also phisical ailments.
I experienced a spiritual awakening at20 yo….i was at the end of my rope…I accepted Jesus Christ as my Personal Savior…then at 24 yo. I experienced the Baptism of Fire with manifestation of a Heavenly language. Iam now 67 yo. And I haven’t turned back….iam emotionally,spiritually and mentally Whole!! Physically iam very healthy and fit! Praise the Lord!!
INFJ here. Who else is hanging out, enjoying this conversation?
Hi Matt.......loving it......xxxxx
@@leelou36 Wooh! xoxo
@@BREAKOUT444 now put terence mckenna on and get really happy lol.....
@@leelou36 Haha, Amen.
Is this a magnet for infj?
!!!!!!!! this is absolutely beautiful and perfect and profound. one of the single most vital talks i've ever seen on this channel, and i've watched hundreds of videos here. the points made are so important for any and all spiritual practitioners or seekers!!
Fire T, love your fiery-indeed enthusiasm! Sensing that you have seen enough videos & are taking helpful actions & prayer for the planet & all beings, plugging your fire tools into enduring, sustainable life. Keep up the great work.
Liza Field 💙💙💙💙💙💙
One of the best talks I've heard in such a long time.... 2 spiritual greats.... thank you.
how many words does it take ?
"It does not require many words to speak the truth"
False gurus speak with crooked tounges
A wonderful dialogue with great insight. Especially the ones about gradual enlightenment and total honesty.
One of the most impactful talks I've ever heard. So many deep insights from two so mature and humble humans. 👌💖🙏
As Dr Gabor asked about spirituality ,I would respectfully say that he has a rugged spirituality and he is a gift to the world.
Thank you
Ah, now it makes sense! I noticed a shift in energy walking the Camino ; crossing the border from Portugal to Spain was really stark contrast. My fellow walkers did too. Now I know its the pain body. These guys are so beautiful to learn from thank you!
The first Gabor Mate talk I've never been able to finish ~ because this guy never shuts his mouth!
Wow, I'm sorry you experience him that way.
I found it to be a well balanced conversation. Not one or the other dominated.
I agree, he really grated on me and made my gut churn. He as way too wordy and his pace of speaking was anxiety provokingly fast.
Would Adyashanti be open to the suggestion that he felt the energy because he saw the border sign in his peripheral vision and his subconscious mind related it to what he knows about the history of the two countries thus provoking the emotional reaction?
Stop please....go take a long nap.
He saw the border AFTER he felt the energy.
Eckhart Tolle has spoken of the same phenomenon, and has said that he can feel the difference when getting off the plane in various countries.
Maria C you’re missing my point. If I tried to explain, I would be mansplaining or whatever. I’ll leave it alone. Peace and love.
Mike, I get the strong sense that you, like this Adyashanti fellow, are good at self-deception. Thinking you have transcended ego when all the while you are still well within its talons. Maria is right. What Adyashanti is doing here is only a more skillful and deceitful aggrandizement of his own ego, his own being of creation and its capacities. Mate exudes earnestness and genuineness. Adyashanti, by comparison, seems a charlatan.
Enlightenment, sensibility, trauma, silence, spiritual embodiment, spiritual bypass, self-honesty. Beautiful, thank you! 🙏🏻🍀
I was so thrilled and suprised when I came across this meeting of two very interesting minds from entirely different backgrounds, because I have been listening to Adyashanti for at least the past ten years (probably more); and I have only comparatively recently discovered the amazing work and dynamic ideas of Dr. Gabor Mate. To see them both together was a sudden very powerful integration of two different paths for me that gives me a lot of hope and conviction that I must be doing something right! It's a wonderful example of how human beings from such different walks of life can come together in friendship and mutual respect, and this is the message for me, that yes, we can! We humans can meet and talk and agree or disagree but in a powerfully mutual and respectful way. If only our political leaders could understand this concept--that winning over another really isn't the most advanced way for us humans to learn to interact, but instead, to share and enjoy the resources of this wonderful gift of life!
What a fascinating event to have theses two converse. I will be seeing Adya for the first time in 2 days... :)
The message here really is, that we can't describe the indescribable with 26 letters of the alphabet!....
A quote that says it all is:-
"When you lose touch with your inner stillness, you lose touch with yourself.
When you lose touch with yourself, you lose yourself in the world.
Your inner most sense of self, of who you are, is inseparable from stillness.
This is the I am that is deeper than name and form.
Stillness is your essential nature." ❤️
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I like the honesty of adyashanti regarding the trauma
All other spiritual teachers should be like this
People who have trauma... Please read this... Don't make the mistake to escape trauma through spirituality.
This is the perfect meeting of human and spiritual. We're both and great points are made by both teachers.
This is awesome! Whoever got these two together thanks!
Lovely interview with a lovely man. It's good to see spiritual ideas slowly reaching the fringes of the mainstream. Slowly of course and to the fringes or even the fringes of the fringes!
I love you Gabor Mate, there is something about your voice, something, that I don't know or understand. It is your voice.
You emotional and spiritual giants of modern maturity are so mysterious and so generous of spirit to constantly show your concern for us mental midgets. Thank you.
Very much enjoyed the exchange between both of you! Beautiful, we need to integrate all of it, human and higher self, it’s an ongoing process instead of pretending we get to some spiritual pinnacle and then don’t have to experience or process, help, heal, celebrate accomplishments from human self, not just acknowledge and celebrate higher self manifestation and alignment. 😊❤️
WOW so perfectly shared in my life right now - thank you divine, divine, divine
Great conversations between the two of you. Brand new way of thinking about silence. However I decided to dive into my negativity to work myself through it. Intuitively I knew I needed help and I got help the other modalities of all the traffic residence and emotional body code. Four years later and still committed to my healing, I find myself feeling absolutely wonderful. I can describe this as a crossing the Wide wide open ocean with my support system nearby me whenever I needed it. My commitment and my support has made me a brand new person. One that I absolutely love… Myself!
Phenomenal and incredible exchange. Thank you. 🙏
Integral Zen led by Doshin Roshi is on the cutting edge of doing the wakeup spiritual work along with the cleanup of psychological trauma. Fyi... thanks for the conversation
Thank you for sharing!
Is like going from USA to Canada. Definitely different energy fields and vibration.✌️
I learnt more from the interviewer’s questions than the answers given. Dr Gabor exude the energy of the master in the room. I don’t know the other gentleman. I’m sure he is a great teacher...but there is something about Dr Gabor...so present, focused...has a strong presence. Thank you.
Adyashanti is talking about emotional maturity as a way to sustain spirituality.
So much value in this! Thank you ❤
Great upload, thanks for sharing.
Being hooked up differently is exactly what astrology defines and explains. 12 houses of human development, a base blueprint, Destiny and Free will, and Transits which create crisis and opportunities for growth. People with more Water signs- Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces, are more emotionally and psychically "wired". As planets move and activate aspects of a persons personality, both current and latent, changes occur. Timing. The Soul's Path.
Two of my favourite people, thank you for posting this.
most valuable exchange
I really appreciate the question about gurus and sexual misconduct. I wonder about this all the time.
Kaitlin Heath, when there is no beauty in it there is no Love in it.
There is no need for a guru, for whom one should be a follower..yes sir, no sir..
Be your own 'guru', for beauty and truth in yourself.
Love jumps in to support, always.
It's not difficult.., it's hard to keep strait. :-)
It happens a lot. Lots of so called gurus fall off the path and abuse their position.
They are still human and since power corrupts and eroticises I am not surprised.
Eternally grateful for this man. Gabor Mate you are an AMAZINGLY beautiful human being. Thanks for your knowledge and understanding of our humankind
Two of my favourite people ... humble souls!!💛 Refreshing to hear such honest discussion!!
There is a lot of very precious silliness going on here. How on earth do these people manage to help people with trauma ? I for one am very skeptical about how they are communicating. If this is the state of the art of spiritual practice in the US then I am concerned. Oh sorry I forgot. I haven`t paid for and read enough of their books yet. Silly me. Just give me time to study these two great masters and I will be enlightened very soon. So excited. Soon I will know how to love.
Gabor Mate (on the left asking the questions) has helped many to heal trauma. Other guy (on the right talking in circles & contradicting himself) displays many signs of narcissistic personality disorder, not sure how much you can help others when you're still so wounded yourself, maybe you can. But he & people like him are of no help to me at this point.
Thanks for your comment. Are you OK ?
Wonderful interaction!
Thanks to both of you. As I listened, I was reminded of the Work of Byron Katie...and the contribution she has made to self awareness through her meditative process Ask Four Questios and Turn It Around.....in the early days of her sharing this way of questioning of our thoughts , she introduced it as providing a path to ...stopping the nightmarem waje tge baby, the end of war....like Adya said...the hardest thing seems to be to be honest with ourselves....as one of the 'tools' in my ongoing journey, it is a fierce yet available practice.... This was a great Easter Sunday listening over a cuppa ..thanks again.
Gabor ...you're the most spiritual doctor I've ever known...and the way you have grown is a beautiful thing to watch over time. You're very spiritual and sensitive . To people's energy especially. You're so clearly CONNECTED to your Soul, purpose and Creator SOURCE. Much Love 💜🙏☮️🤗
@56:20 Without waiting for an answer from Adyashanti, the answer to Gabor's question "If there is uneven development (of the mind) that you describe, as great teachers as they maybe that somehow wouldn't pollute their teaching at the same time?" It's a good question and I'm not sure I can give a great answer to it!!" Well I do! From the Jewish spiritual wisdom I have gleaned, this is not even a question!! It's absolutely axiomatic in Judaism that in one's personal, private inner spiritual domain, one's spiritual and moral probity MUST be beyond reproach; thus people who fail in this area are rendered charlatans! There's a lot of talk about spiritual, metaphysical subjects today and ne're a hint to the fact that unless the individual, any individual giving forth of his insights is bonded to a lethally accurate, finely tuned moral compass, he has nothing to say that should be regarded as authentic! In fact the moral aspect of one's being precedes the spiritual knowledge.