Episode 12 - Berthing and Chief's Quarters 60 frame
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2021
- Come join us as we go into one of the Crew Berthing areas and into the Chief's Quarters. We will also talk about the first Chief of the Boat (COB) for Nautilus - Leroy Ingles
This is exactly why I joined the Air Force....who wants to live like this?
I switched from Army to USAF after many years of envy! Best decision I ever made.
Me too, plus I’d feel like a sardine! Plus I can’t swim back to land from the subs. That sealift requires a special breed of person, certainly not a claustrophobic.
Submariners do it for the brotherhood
No way in Hell I would live like that
I did it pretty much the same way for 4 years on a destroyer in the early 80's
I was on the decommissioning crew of the Nautilus. The mess deck brings back special memories of cranking there.
That’s definitely tight quarters…..respect for what you guys do 👍
I live here in groton conn and go by the nautilus every time but never had the privilege to go on board to see this historical submarine.
Respect all the sailors who have served.
Thankyou.
Was enjoying this video then realized I went to high school with Commander Boyd. Looking good Brad! Thanks for the tour. This is great. Hope you are well.
Glad to hear from you Allen - hope all is well!
Outstanding CMDR. Telling it like it is. The Enlisted ranks get it done. And the Chief is the link between the Officers and the deck plate. Retired EMC(SS) here. Great series. You tell it like it is. Work hard and fight the Ship. Thanks.
As a shipmate once told me, enlisted get it done, officers make sure it gets done.
Great tour! Thanks for sharing!
Very good insights into how the system works 👍👍
Wow! Much respect to you fellas
That was very interesting. I was on a Gearing Class Destroyer starting in 1968 and had a lot more room to spread out. BUT, the sub that you just gave a little of had more room in it than I expected. It was well laid out. No, "Hot Racks?" Pretty good. I though it would have been the other way around. Not racks on that boat and no hot racks on modern boats. I did not expect that.
Thanks for the interesting and very informative video.
Barry
What Destroyer were you on? I was on the USS Robert H. McCard DD822 from June '65-Sept '67 out of Charleston.
I deployed on LA class and Permit class boats. I had the same reaction about the "loads" of space the first time I toured Nautilus. It really felt spacious to me.
It’s fascinating to me that has submarine technology advances, that were actually going back to hot bunking. I thought that was a thing of the past, and I can’t honestly see that that’s going to help recruiting.
It can't be.....who wants to hot rack
Officers don't hot-rack. Mostly junior enlisted, although I hot-racked as a PO1 on one boat because we were so crowded.
That's why I liked the Air Force. Once I went to flight crew (EC-121, same thing as the Navy's WV), as an E-2 I had a one man room and it ALWAYS had air conditioning. And if the A/C didn't work, we didn't fly... crew rest requirements.
@@maxsdad538 Yeah, you AF guys had it rough. I liked your billeting tho. Sub-standard room at Clark AFB = a suite lol. Cheers CTIC(SS) (Ret)
I went on board the Nautilus as an SK in 1971. During that time we spent most of our time in the North Atlantic chasing the Russians during the Cold War. Never did like the North Atlantic in the winter!
OUTSTANDING!!!
My father served 25 years in navy. He made chief petty officer and in the 90s they had something called the tiger cruise were the sons or daughters of the enlisted men take a 3 day cruise on the ship. I was able to sleep in the chiefs goat locker and eat in the chiefs mess and explore the ship with my pops. We shot the 50 cal torrents and machine gun. Im disappointed with myself i never joined the military
On they intrepid 1970 we did a dependence cruise a day out in the ocean got out in the blue water hit a bad storm three days later they got off mader than hell
What a terrific presentation, Commander. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and actually learned a few things, such as the fact that there was initially an exam for SCPO & MCPO.
One very important duty of a Chief that was missed is the training of junior officers.
After standing watch, doing your regular job, and several collateral duties, one is too damn tired to worry about my bunk. I never had any trouble sleeping in the sub's CPO bunk room, except maybe when the skipper was doing angles and dangles. CWO4 USN Ret.
My uncle served on the Nautilus as a Nuke Engineer. This is really interesting. I would love to take a tour someday.
I toured the Nautilus... even by submarine standards, the enlisted berthings were extremely tight. One short passageway to a six-pack was only about 18" wide
Engineering spaces are not open to the public.
When on the USS Proteus AS19, I made those coffin racks that would dove tail on torpedo room ways.
Very interesting. Thank you.
Very interesting!
Thanks for the info.
What exactly is the purpose of the camo uniform? I get why a tiny number of naval personnel have a requirement for camo (SEALs, medics attached to Marines) but what exactly is the purpose of camp on a submarine?
We only wear them in port. At sea we use a version of coveralls. The camo uniform became a standardization of uniforms between services (although all of the differ slightly).
@@submarineforcemuseum1739 So enlisted naval personnel no long wear dungarees and blue jackets?…how about the white hats “Dixie cups”?
Yes - dixie cup hats and "cracker jack" uniforms are still worn by enlisted E-6 and below.
Why does the Air Force wear them? Why do administrative people or cooks in the Army or Marines wear them?
@@pulsatingsausageboy2076 I agree.
Bottom line: The Chiefs run the navy
My late uncle, a retired Commander in the Naval Reserve, along with his brother (my dad) and his sons, all Navy veterans told me those exact words.
And the Air Force, AND the Marines, AND the Army. And every officer above O-2 knows that. Butterbars are a little slow picking it up.
@@maxsdad538 I am a Marine 1966,67, 68. I once saw our 1st Sgt. E8 Tell a butter bar, "sorry sir I did not hear you knock before entering my office" the butterbar gently learned a custom that day. LOL
Pretty cool😎
The Sonar System that was state-of-the-art when I served (76-82) is now in the Submarine Museum (An/BQQ-5(A)).
The standing joke about the boat I was on was you probably shaved with part of it
@@mikegracie3212 I’m shaving with my old boat right now. 😂
Camouflage in a submarine? Makes sense to me.
I was on the Saratoga. Desert Storm era.
After a SS Nautilus must have seemed like the Hilton to the COB.
My father was a sonarman on the Nautilus when it went to Antarctica. I would love to get some record or information about his time on the Nautilus. Anything would be great.
Even more impressive than serving and living in the boat is designing it. Every f-ing piece of sheet metal must be considered for all the nooks and cubbies.
Another fantastic video. I count 12 racks for the chiefs. Is that how many were on board?
Not always - they would have at least 12, sometimes more. In the case where they have more chiefs than racks in Chief's berthing they would have the most junior Chief(s) sleep in junior enlisted berthing until a more senior chief rotated off and they would move to that bunk. Same practice today.
I visited the Nautilus while she was still in comission.
Pretty snazzy...
In Your opinion, what is the most important quality in a person that makes them a good fit for a sub crew? I would imagine that Navy is focusing on the mental shape more vs.physical?
Important qualities - ability to work both in a team and on your own. Also an ability to have your personal space compressed just a little...
@@submarineforcemuseum1739 We had psych evals in sub school back in the early ‘80’s.
@@phantomcruizer That’s what I had in mind, psyh condition of a submariner has to be very healthy with calm personality I’d imagine?….
You forgot to tell them the most important thing when using the head!!! Gotta make sure they're not clearing the tanks, you open that ball valve its gonna be a disaster !!!!😁 But they shut down the head when they're doing that.
LOL. I remember on the 599 a dude was half asleep and went into the head, took a piss and opened the valve while we were blowing sanitary tanks. Jesus the smell. LOL. So long ago...
Back in 1965 the Navy offered me submarine school if I would re-enlist. I declined and that was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. You can exist on a sub but it really isn’t much of a life. Can you imagine living like that or worse for the junnior enlisted. For months at a time. People in jail have it better than that.
Well a lot of that berthing seems pretty similar to what this former destroyer sailor knew back in the day.
I did 26 years in the Army. When hot racking how is bending handled?
Since space is limited, and there are no offices per say, for a Chief; do they use an Ipad or a Laptop computer to do their business such as keeping track of personnel actions, etc?
There was no laptop computers then.
No chance of showing anything in the Engineering spaces? Hard to believe it would still be classified more than 40 years post decommissioning. I understand the Engineroom was similarly equipped with plexiglass panels when prepped as a museum boat and even that the lighting was improved in the Enginerrom this last drydock period.
There’s better sleeping in the pen than what the crew has
Would someone please tell the Navy that there are no trees on submarines, so they can lose the camo.
That’s when you are stationed at the doorway in charge of the fly screen
The Navy needs to go back to the traditional uniforms....green or blue camos, either way they make you look like you're in the Army and not the Navy!!
When I was in I wore dungarees. They were supposed to be the uniform you wore when you had to do dirty work and you didn't care what happened to them. Honestly most of us didn't like them. But wearing a camo pattern uniform on a ship is just silly.
Only Marines, Seals, Master at Arms, or EOD should wear cammies on board. Swabbies need to return to blues. I almost forgot the Corpsmen. They earned the right too. Semper Fi to all my brother Shellbacks.
So the CO ans XO have their own small stateroom Bit the COB has not?
You need to slow your camera movements down. I couldn't count the number of racks in that berthing space. Was it 6 or 8? Either way how is that 10 people sharing the space?
How old is this ship? gezz ? oh i think this was retired in 1980
That’s like jail..
Looks exactly like jail but smaller
I totally forgot about blowing sanitaries to sea
you only forget once :)
@@greg5023 yeah you fieldday that head forever. The sad part is that the instructions are posted and they put signs up and someone forgets. People who haven't been on Submarines has no idea
They should go back to dungarees for enlisted, and kakais for CPO and officer.
GOAT LOCKER⚓️
Fuck living like that! Life is too short!
what's the attraction to that life?
Subs, 200 sailors' go down and a hundred couple's come back up
Definitely would be hard for a person who was addicted to drugs to do their thing on a sub. No privacy at all except bathroom and maybe pulling shades up in your bunk. Are there random drug test on a sub?
Drug testing onboard submarines follows the same policy for drug testing throughout the Navy.
Good lord. I hope folks working and living in submarines get paid handsomely
Great tour but dude, sounds like a dead end job.
Ask me again why I joined the Air Force.
The chiefs have it bad
They have it very, VERY good. If you're going to sea, you want to do it as a CPO.
Tighter quarters than in prison. These folks sacrifice so much even in peacetime time. No room to stretch out. No privacy. No opportunity to go out with friends to blow if steam on Friday after work. No seeing family for 6 months at a time. Not seeing their babies' taking their first steps or their birthdays or spouse's birthdays. So repsect to all military.
The only thing which bothered me was the lack of privacy. Everything else was no big deal.
CAMO, BUT WHYYYY?
E7, my ass be E the fucking out of there with these accommodation and pay
Go navy
Maybe it’s the camera but it looks roomy.
So if you were fortunate enough to serve a long time ago you got your own bed but now in modern America you have to share a bed? Incentive enough to "NOT" volunteer for submarine duty.
I’m told that they get better pay in the submarine service.
@@Shadowfax-1980
Ok so that's how many weeks of being inside a giant nuclear can with many others and not being able to see sunlight or get fresh air?
That's why we're PROUD veterans and you'll NEVER understand. We sacrifice so people like you won't have to... you're welcome.
At the very least, the presenter is not familiar with enlisted life on board a boat. I'm not even sure that he has served on a boat regardless of the insignia on his uniform. Most likely a wep-o or other coner. On Henry Clay SSBN625 the chiefs ate at 2 reserved tables on the mess deck not in the goat locker. The lockers in the berthing were not generally used for 'shower stuff'; that was usually in the bed pan or drawer. The locker was for uniforms or no crush items. Of course an individual sailor could stow his gear where he saw fit in his personal space.
Where the chiefs ate depended on where and what the layout of the quarters where. On Los Angeles class, Seawolf class, Virginia class, and Ohio class there definitely is no meal service in the goat locker. Everything is eaten on crew's mess with one or two tables reserved (depending on the size of the tables on Crew's mess), none of those stationed here at Nautilus have been on any other class of submarine. We have had Chief's onboard Nautilus tell us where they ate - sometimes it was on crew's mess and sometimes in their locker area. All depended on what was going on and if they wanted to have a working meal out of the crew's area. Given their proximity to the crew's mess it was an option for them the way it really isn't onboard modern boats.
As for the lockers in berthing - you are correct - it could be whatever they chose to put there. On a 688 class submarine there typically weren't any lockers outside of the bedpan (maybe one per 4 or five people - and then not consistently - depends on whether you are in forward berthing, aft berthing, 21-man, or 9-man and 9-man was a mix of JO overflow berthing and enlisted). We should have consulted with Nautilus crew members as to what they used it for, but our own enlisted serving here didn't get their own lockers typically (with only a handful of exceptions - the ones stationed on Ohio Class submarines). What went into the locker was usually the no crush items as you said. In many cases dress uniforms would be combined in a divisional stowage area for deployment.
Thank you for serving and pointing out where you and your crew would typically keep things. As with every boat in the Navy, things differ depending on storage and berthing constraints, and how sailors banded together to come up with innovative stowage solutions.
@@submarineforcemuseum1739 Thanks for your reply. Yes, the amenities on the different classes varied; and sometimes varied greatly within a class. After leaving the Navy I worked at Newport News Shipbuilding (non-nuclear carrier piping engineering) but got to witness the process by which identical ships soon become nonidentical. One datum for your consideration is that most of the enlisted (at least 1st and below) kept their dress uniform (cracker jacks) laid out between the mattress and bedpan. When the uniform was folded properly this became a self-pressing storage method. I was taught that by the old timers who came from diesel boats, so I would imagine that Nautilus crew would have known it too. I always preferred the outboard areas of main crew berthing lowest rack. That was it was an easy in to the rack when returning from the beach and easy out during drills and casualties. The downside was that bedpan stowage was limited. I'm enjoying the remainder of the series (have to ration myself to one per day max lest I binge) and do find it interesting how more recent boat-people experienced life (I work with a fair number of guys whose EAOS was late 90s to just a few years ago).
Thank you - some of our crew would store their uniform between the mattress and bed-pan, but really only the senior 1st class could do that on a deployment. Everyone else was subject to hot racking or berthing shifts as guests came onboard. On 688's the fan room was the common storage spot for many of the divisions junior enlisted. Radio always managed to find room in their outboards for their divisions... Glad you are enjoying the series!
This guy said “things like that” a dozen times at least. Just state what they are.
Uuuuh. Um. Uh, uh, uh.
I worked with a navy mechanic once. If he didn't have a book with step by step instructions he didn't know how to do anything.
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yeah whatever
Was this on a sub
go away
Now get back in there and clean those heads.
you made a mistake. Submarines are called boats not ships.
What wat wrong with that one dude!!!!! HE LOOKED DEAD!!!!
I can tell you with certainty that he's not alive.
@@michaelrunnels7660
I think all the nuclear radiation turned him into a plastic mannequin
@@Menaceblue3 Yup. I concur. It's pretty sad because I'm sure his mother had high hopes for him. If she's still alive I hope she doesn't see this video.
Incredible racism! Selecting officers based on merit instead of skin color. Wow
Boring as hell.