@Wawawa yes but usually when MkLeo wins a match easily he barely has any reaction. The fact that he had a bigger reaction than usual shows that Protobanham pushed him to his limit and made him use everything he had to win.
@@benjaminloh3323 I mean, that happens to almost everyone when its a best of 3. I don't think its because of his skill, it could be, but its just speculation at this point.
*Leo gets a cheese kill* "Leo didnt deserve those two kills at all" *Proto gets the biggest grab on moving platform cheese kill* "Proto is a monster right now"
The first set proto had stage control and from neutral was constantly chaining him to the ledge. The cheese was when proto got a bit greedy and makes one down air to take a stock he was currently losing. Not to mention without Arsen the downair likely would not have connected. Granted the platform grav was a cheese kill so neither party is clean here
@@psihuntr oh i know, its highly situational and takes good read skills to make it happen. I am just putting forward the obvious bias in the commentating. I didn't mean to sound like I was defending Leo
I mean to be fair it looks like mkleo got two accidental stocks for these games and they totally saved his ass. Meanwhile proto was beating him pretty consistently.
@@ethannnnnnn What do you mean? They weren't accidental, they were situational. It's not like he accidentally pressed down air in the right situation, he saw it coming because of the regrab or whatever. He also went for multiple of stage shenanigains and got a footstool but also lost and died for one. So saying it's accidental is just wrong
I like how there are both America and Japanese comments. That show that the Smash community brings everyone together. アメリカと日本の両方のコメントがあるのが好きです。これは、Smashコミュニティがみんなを1つにまとめていることを示しています。
These are the kind of sets I love. No sweeps or being one sided the entire time. Final game, both competitors down to their last stock and the crowd really into it.
In Ultimate Lucina plays it more slow since she is a neutral based character. Proto does a good job of showing her punish game, but it is still not the best amount other top tiers. That’s why Leo did so well with her since his strongest pout is his neutral Ult Lucina is not like Melee Marth. Melee Marth can play both a super heavy punish game or a slow neutral as shown by M2K and PPMD respectively
The only guy? Do you realize who's in this tournament? I'm calling it right now, marss vs mkleo will happen in winners final, and marss will take the whole tournament.
@@gunslinger9786 marss is great dont get me wrong, in fact hes been one of my favorite players alongside light and ZD, but frankly hes just not on mkleo's current level.
Okay. If you're looking to learn either of these characters, study this set. This was phenominal. Fantastic neutral on both sides, great situational awareness. This could have easily gone either way, and those are the best matches to watch.
2:20 its not as simple as Proto just going for high up b and leo killing high as the commentator said. Leo went to the bottom blast zone in the span of one second and then instantly went to the top knowing lucina would have to recover high. Was a calculated bait
Alright I’ve seen enough. Hope the best for all the other competitors but we’ll seriously be missing out if these two don’t see each other again. Crazy this was for top 16 smh smash community gotta pay better attention to its international players!!
Lucas Hunter I know man those Japanese players are insane, this man almost took Leo for gods sake, can you imagine how insane the pop off would’ve been?
Even without his Min Min and pre nerfed joker Protobanham was very capable of beating Leo back in the day. Proto did mess up a few times and I feel like if he didn’t he could’ve possibly won this set
I hope this shuts up the "JoKeR is BroKen" people. This was a very close game because Proto learned the match up, adapts fast, and is a great player. It very easily could've gone to Proto. With time, more people will be able to deal with Joker, so hold off the nerfs balancing team!
Joker is still a top tier no doubt about it even without arsene. My argument always goes towards people that try and under sell how good this character is
Evo he is. However some would rather complain and beg for nerfs instead of learning to get good. They’d rather a character get downgraded so they can win more easily than get better at the game.
Da Blues yeah Joker is definitely good, even without Arsene. Nowhere near broken as some are saying. It’s like saying something is “broken” or “needs a nerf” is the default behaviour to have whenever someone loses instead of looking at their own shortcomings.
NoUnboundFreedom Honestly I feel like it’s just Leo that happens to be really good, I doubt too many jokers will rise up, but only time will tell I suppose
Sorry for noob question but, what would happen if someone took your main in tournaments? For example, if someone is dominating by using only one character, is it possible for other players to steal that character so they can win easily?
4 years later and I still think this is the only time MKLeo has been shield broken in bracket. Even besides that, Proto is amazing. He even makes Min Min fun to watch, which is a Herculean task. I’ll never not love him for his Lucina though. She was my first main and he’s the inspiration for me to keep her on as one of my mains to this day.
João Chrystello excuse me? You seen joker’s kill moves without arsene? He barely has any kill moves besides from on stage with his fsmash. His bair is weak as fuck as well and doesn’t Even kill between 130%-150%, his fair is also weak as fuck without arsene, his dair is ass without arsene and tons of his smash attacks is weak as shit Arsene is there to power boost joker so he can actually have a chance in a fight. If Leo is so good with joker then fight joker players online, they are ass and they don’t Even dominate online
MKLEO is not the same as he has always been. He has been losing edge gradually in tournaments, slowly but steady. It's only a matter of time until we see a new champion.
It takes a worthy challenger to make MKLeo pop off
Proto is Amazing
I know bro I don't like it because he vs the boi nairo tomorroe
The smash community ruined the term popoff, the way they use it is so cringe
maru 24476 what do you mean
Shaka Zulu totally agree with u dude popping off does not mean the opponent was good or bad. It meant mkleo just played well
Sai Pathivada that’s exactly what they meant by pop off. You’re the one that misunderstood.
My heart stopped so many times, matches were really close, great set
Samus - Alita I know right, this is the most hype i felt in a while from a tournament
A rare pop off from MkLeo. WOW!!! I love the way ProoBanham played in that match so aggressive
@Wawawa yes but usually when MkLeo wins a match easily he barely has any reaction. The fact that he had a bigger reaction than usual shows that Protobanham pushed him to his limit and made him use everything he had to win.
@@benjaminloh3323 I mean, that happens to almost everyone when its a best of 3. I don't think its because of his skill, it could be, but its just speculation at this point.
Proobanham, nice.
My god. The level of neutral that these two showed was the best I've seen in ultimate so far. What a set
I mean well everypne at the tournement competing knows that every percent counts because there can not be a sudden death
@@egg-vd7ym We already know that duh. Shut up and enjoy the set jeez.
How do they feel tho?
Kinda neutral
*Leo gets a cheese kill* "Leo didnt deserve those two kills at all"
*Proto gets the biggest grab on moving platform cheese kill* "Proto is a monster right now"
The first set proto had stage control and from neutral was constantly chaining him to the ledge.
The cheese was when proto got a bit greedy and makes one down air to take a stock he was currently losing. Not to mention without Arsen the downair likely would not have connected.
Granted the platform grav was a cheese kill so neither party is clean here
@@psihuntr oh i know, its highly situational and takes good read skills to make it happen. I am just putting forward the obvious bias in the commentating. I didn't mean to sound like I was defending Leo
@@psihuntr youre talking like if arsene is some cheap killer xD with that dair
I mean to be fair it looks like mkleo got two accidental stocks for these games and they totally saved his ass. Meanwhile proto was beating him pretty consistently.
@@ethannnnnnn What do you mean? They weren't accidental, they were situational. It's not like he accidentally pressed down air in the right situation, he saw it coming because of the regrab or whatever. He also went for multiple of stage shenanigains and got a footstool but also lost and died for one. So saying it's accidental is just wrong
すげえよバナム
世界最強にここまでまだ激闘するなんて
3 years later we finally got a rematch.
I like how there are both America and Japanese comments. That show that the Smash community brings everyone together.
アメリカと日本の両方のコメントがあるのが好きです。これは、Smashコミュニティがみんなを1つにまとめていることを示しています。
"You can't spell protobanham without the HAM!" Gotta love this guy lol.
These are the kind of sets I love. No sweeps or being one sided the entire time. Final game, both competitors down to their last stock and the crowd really into it.
この試合ほんとに息飲んだ…
バナムさん最高に強いな
That smile at the end from Proto confirms that he had massive fun with this match
リベンジおめでとうございます！
The only person able to stand up against Leo's Joker was a Lucina, a character Leo also played, sort of ironic
I know. I wanna see MkLeo joker v. MkLeo Lucina
I would say it's spected, because leo had faith in that character too
I've been waiting for this, the japanese leo vs the mexican leo
I love how Leo’s Name has become synonymous with a insanely good sword player.
Wasn’t that Zackray? 🤔
Evo what?
HiTechnic no. He faded out of relevancy at some point. zero overhyped him
OSA clearly? I can think of ten better players with more consistent results.
School doesn't get you pgr
LOL the most leo ever pop offs
G5 Winners Semis
What’s a pop off ?
@@brandonwillis2346 A celebration, essentially.
Brandon Willis, if you wanna see a big pop off go watch the Esam vs muteace VOD.
ZeRo made him pop off way harder.
7:16 ...I have no words for that. Amazing read on Proto's part, will probably become a highlight of the tournament
My heart stoped and I froze at that moment
Coming right after summit, Ultimate never gets old dude
Weird case were someone got Mkleo to a game 3
it's been done in many a best of 5
unusual diaeresis 😂underrated comment
Not surprising it was with a sword character tho.
This Is the highest skill level i saw in Ultimate so far, unbelievable
Proto making Lucina look not-boring. Amazing set.
His offstage play is so risky and tight, he takes better advantage of lucinas tools than anyone
Looks like every other Lucina to me. A little slower tho.
@@marcogonzalez9296 check the umebera sets he had, leo makes everyone look slow
marco gonzalez there is NO WAY you can find a Lucina who Up Bs as much as ProtoBanham
In Ultimate Lucina plays it more slow since she is a neutral based character. Proto does a good job of showing her punish game, but it is still not the best amount other top tiers. That’s why Leo did so well with her since his strongest pout is his neutral
Ult Lucina is not like Melee Marth. Melee Marth can play both a super heavy punish game or a slow neutral as shown by M2K and PPMD respectively
バナムさん初の海外大会とは思えないほどの活躍！これはEVOが楽しみすぎる～
初！！！？？？やばすぎん！
@@Ray-tt8wl
初ってことは緊張感とんでもなかっただろうに…これは凄い
Well looks like leo won. I think proto was the only guy capable of beating him in a set. Hope proto makes it to GF atleast.
What about Wishes?
The only guy? Do you realize who's in this tournament? I'm calling it right now, marss vs mkleo will happen in winners final, and marss will take the whole tournament.
Gunslinger man joker takes the fun out of the game
@@gunslinger9786 marss is great dont get me wrong, in fact hes been one of my favorite players alongside light and ZD, but frankly hes just not on mkleo's current level.
@@gunslinger9786 i do hope to see some one els win even thou im a leo fan but if leo win u gonna eat what u wrote
That was hype AF
But MKleo is a god
should've been bo5, this entire set was bonkers
If top 48 was bo5 then CEO doesnt last long enough to cover it
Turbo Geschwindigkeit missed the point of the comment
And ALL y’all saying Lucina is boring. I think there’s nothing more exciting than a player playing with a perfect neutral.
Most Lucina's are, Proto's just got a really cool way of playing her.
That edgeguarding from proto was the scariest edgeguarding I've ever seen, god damn
5:05ここの受け身はマジで判断力エグい
むらひRe-Eve 受け身取るのもすごいし、そこから反撃して撃墜してるのほんとすごい
Top 48 winners and it’s only bo3!? Wow times have changed
Proto is amazing! Really hope he comes to more international tournaments!
It's always a treat watching mkleo. This was a heart-stopping match. Phew!
Okay. If you're looking to learn either of these characters, study this set. This was phenominal. Fantastic neutral on both sides, great situational awareness. This could have easily gone either way, and those are the best matches to watch.
You know I hate Lucina but THIS was the 1st time I cheered for a Lucina player! GGs to you Proto! Nicely done!
2:20 its not as simple as Proto just going for high up b and leo killing high as the commentator said. Leo went to the bottom blast zone in the span of one second and then instantly went to the top knowing lucina would have to recover high. Was a calculated bait
Looked like an accidental footstool to me
Commentator saying “leo didn’t deserve those stocks” but you know what
WE TAKE THOSE !
この人の攻めにだけ徹するプレースタイルめっちゃ好き
Alright I’ve seen enough. Hope the best for all the other competitors but we’ll seriously be missing out if these two don’t see each other again. Crazy this was for top 16 smh smash community gotta pay better attention to its international players!!
If Proto attended more tournaments he'd definitely would've been seeded higher. He's only been to 3 total so they can't seed him as accurately.
Lucas Hunter I know man those Japanese players are insane, this man almost took Leo for gods sake, can you imagine how insane the pop off would’ve been?
Even without his Min Min and pre nerfed joker Protobanham was very capable of beating Leo back in the day. Proto did mess up a few times and I feel like if he didn’t he could’ve possibly won this set
海外の人のコメントもバナムさん絶賛してて嬉しい
0:18気づいた人おらんと思うけどえつじさんが言ったアイデア実行してるのなんかすごいうれしい
なぜか
@@ちゃんちゃんこ-f7q つまりどういうことだってばよ？えっちゃん何言ってたの？
@@haunted2930 えつじさんとバナムさんがルキナについて対談する配信やってたときにえつじさんがダウンからの弱でなにか出来そうって言ってた
@@ちゃんちゃんこ-f7q おお、返信ありがとう！ルキナ詳しくないんだけどその対談までは弱ダウン連は一般的じゃなかったってこと？確かにルキナは下強なんかのダウン展開は何も挟まずにスマッシュ打ってる印象強いな
This entire set was about the length of one sonic game. Think about that
MKLeo is a God! Holy crap. Amazing adjustments and extensions right to the end
8:52 that waveland was so smooth. Shame he got whiff punished after the dtilt lol. Proto's my hero tho.
I hope we see more of Proto, he was really fun to watch
8:22 what a tasty play
すっご…今までで一番Leoさんを追い詰めたんとちゃう？
Frostbiteのteaさん
Best match I've ever seen god damn
9:06 wtf was that sound? Imao
かっけぇ、、。この戦い
I hope this shuts up the "JoKeR is BroKen" people. This was a very close game because Proto learned the match up, adapts fast, and is a great player. It very easily could've gone to Proto. With time, more people will be able to deal with Joker, so hold off the nerfs balancing team!
范T Same here
Joker is a pretty fair top tier all things considered imo
Joker is still a top tier no doubt about it even without arsene. My argument always goes towards people that try and under sell how good this character is
Evo he is. However some would rather complain and beg for nerfs instead of learning to get good. They’d rather a character get downgraded so they can win more easily than get better at the game.
Da Blues yeah Joker is definitely good, even without Arsene. Nowhere near broken as some are saying. It’s like saying something is “broken” or “needs a nerf” is the default behaviour to have whenever someone loses instead of looking at their own shortcomings.
Leo was SHOOK
0:47 good catch 😂
The fact that _Leo_ using _Joker_ had to pop off says a lot about the opponent.
Leo is the only consistent and top placing Joker
@@PeridotiProductions The others haven't caught up yet.
NoUnboundFreedom Honestly I feel like it’s just Leo that happens to be really good, I doubt too many jokers will rise up, but only time will tell I suppose
Leo almost threw the win by underestimating his opponent but after game one good thing he realize his opponent was not to be mess with lol
まじでいい試合。感動した
0:45 how?
Proto’s Lucina is so sick
Holy jeebus that second game.
Still came down to the wire, so exciting
This was an insane game GG to both competitors
Alguien me puede decir si es que en torneo no se puede usar la contra con arsen?
would love to see a best of 5 from these guys, it felt like they were just warming up
At 0:46 how did that down-air connect??? Why wasn’t Lucina invincible?? There’s no way that was a 2 frames.
I think she was gonna do an aerial off the ledge that's why it hit
Angel Ramirez-Tellez oh yeah that could be it
leoジョーカーの常にアルセーヌがいるかのような威圧感、アルセーヌが出た時の絶望感半端ねえ
Sorry for noob question but, what would happen if someone took your main in tournaments? For example, if someone is dominating by using only one character, is it possible for other players to steal that character so they can win easily?
kinda a confusing question, if ur asking if anyone can use joker the character mkleo's using, then they can. no rules against that
@@idk-jw6xl So what would happen if two people have the same way. Who gives way?
@@spacepenguin3590 nobody they just play the ditto unless someone wants to switch
@@spacepenguin3590 nothing against that, if u wanna copy them then thats fine lol
You're not allowed to pick joker; only Leo can.
4 years later and I still think this is the only time MKLeo has been shield broken in bracket.
Even besides that, Proto is amazing. He even makes Min Min fun to watch, which is a Herculean task.
I’ll never not love him for his Lucina though. She was my first main and he’s the inspiration for me to keep her on as one of my mains to this day.
myran got a shield break on him once too, i think at smash con 2019? those are definitely the only ones i can think of though
And people say joker is broken?
Delusional people wanting a character nerfed just based on how Leo is adapted to joker
Arsene is busted lol. Being able to kill at 70% from the middle of the stage is what? Perfectly balanced?
João Chrystello excuse me?
You seen joker’s kill moves without arsene? He barely has any kill moves besides from on stage with his fsmash.
His bair is weak as fuck as well and doesn’t Even kill between 130%-150%, his fair is also weak as fuck without arsene, his dair is ass without arsene and tons of his smash attacks is weak as shit
Arsene is there to power boost joker so he can actually have a chance in a fight.
If Leo is so good with joker then fight joker players online, they are ass and they don’t Even dominate online
@@joaochrystello5869 that's a Lucina fsmash air Dodge read
What if proto used neutral b at a downward angel on the very last smash attack by Leo. I wonder if that would’ve saved him.
My mans came from japan and made Mkleo sweat on stream, GGs
Is it just me or is this match still one of the cleanest displays of neutral in all of ultimates history?
The fact that this is a top 48 match feels weird
Proto is absolutely talented enough to beat MKLeo in a set.
*Leo gets a random kill trying to up to the ledge*
Commentator: OMG WHAT A GENIUS PLAY
Leo almost got destroyed by his ex-waifu..
He still plays Lucina in some matchups.
Destroyed is an overstatement.
I was there for this match. This was freaking HYPE!!!!!
no 3 out of 5 for top 48? when does that start?
Damn this set deserved to be longer
What a sick set.
ANOTHER!
Does anyone know the commentators on this one?
That shield break was a good pop
This Lucina is incredible. Proto almost pulled it off, bravo 👏
Lucy is definitely amazing. Love Proto!
My heart sank so many times. Great set!
I'm a simple man... I see Lucina I watch.
damn he was makin leo sweat i really want them to face off again
最後横スマ振れる神経まじでどうかしとるやろw
People are starting to study this his Joker. Still the best player using a top 5 character, but people are taking notes. Give it a few more months.
Dam these two guys put on a show. Awesome game
pb is fucking terrifying offstage
Bro my heart was racing I dont even have this game I play it sometimes
Leoの下B振るタイミング不規則で凄いわ
"The old Scorpion from below."
Joker: hey nice
Masked lucina: thank
MKLEO is not the same as he has always been. He has been losing edge gradually in tournaments, slowly but steady. It's only a matter of time until we see a new champion.
Lol I can confirm Leo is still number one and it’s not close lol loser sucks for u..
@@jeremiahtannehill9895 Yeah that prediction turned out to be incredibly wrong. His comment might finally apply now. We'll see.
its been 3 years damn
i LOVE the commentary
This set was so dope
so close proto!
Can anyone recommend a better BO3 set?
崖の読み合いえげつな
8:43 *GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASP* OH NO!
That was so close I was really rooting for pb ):