@@chrisgoat6435 - That was then. Illmor and Judd currently make V10's. Pedro de la Rosa still holds the lap record in Bahrain and that was a V10 F1 car.
Imo the F2004 is the pinnacle. Very light, powerful V10, very efficient aero, low center of gravity. Let's not forget: if it were not for the crash at Monaco, Schumacher would have won 13 races in a row in 2004!
While I don’t deny the current V6 hybrid turbos are tech marvels and are insanely fast but I do maintain my opinion that there’s just something sexy about these late 90s to early/mid 2000s f1 cars. The cars from that era just have this wow factor about them and each car has its charm,whether it’s a top cars like Ferrari and McLarens to backmarkers like Minardi,they have something sexy about them. The simple aerodynamics,fast and agile on corners plus having the sound adds a lot of its magic. Even watching a driver struggling to control a Minardi is entertaining in itself. This isn’t just to F1 but also applies to other single seater categories Champ Cars,GP2,F3000 and Indy Cars.
But why would you pit an illegal car (they didn't use slicks back then) against a car limited by the regulations? If the 2004 car could use slicks, then why not let a modern car reduce its weight, increase the fuel flow or do something else, that'd be illegal in an F1 race? How would that comparison work out then?
@@EndriuC You're implying that the F2004 wasn't limited due to aero/chassis/tech regulations either, that tyres are part of the car specs and not a separate set of regs, and that the W11 was a perfectly legal car to begin with (DAS) all at once. I'm assuming you're baiting, you can't be this dense.
@@v12vanquish135 Wtf are you on about. You're pulling stuff out of your ass while not grasping such a simple concept and apparently I'M the one dense. Grooved tyres were forced on the teams by the regulations to slow the cars down, so the F2004 couldn't run on slicks, cause that would've been illegal. But it would definitely make the car quicker. But so would lowering the minimum weight or ride height of the W11. It couldn't have raced in F1 like that because of the regulations, but it'd become even more ridiculous. And then you wouldn't be comparing an illegal car with one fully legal (and slowed down because of it). It's like Porsche flexing a couple of years ago that their COMPLETELY UNRESTRICTED (no min weight, ultra low ride height for ground effect, fuel flow and power turned up to 11) 919 Evo beat the F1 pole lap from the year before. Gee, shocking, that you can get all kinds of crazy results when you're not limited by any regulations. Funny though, that F1 (with all their limits) beat THAT time just a couple of months later. So would the F2004 beat the W11 as long as you put slicks on it? Probably. But so would the Williams FW15C, if only you put a huge V10 turbo in it, slap a fan and side skirts on it to generate ground effect and put on modern slicks. Could it race in 1993 in that state? No.
@@EndriuC Thanks for the history lesson. And thanks for conceding that the F2004 would beat the W11 on slick tyres, which is what I literally said at the start. Why you thought I said it would have been legal in 2004 I have no fucking clue but keep sperging out for nothing, it's a good look.
I loved the ‘02 and ‘03 Williams cars. They were absolute beasts - with just under 1000bhp from a normally aspirated BMW engine. They didn’t handle as well as the Ferrari though, and Williams didn’t have a Schumacher-type character to galvanise the team and build it around them. No disgrace in that.
that 2005 McLaren is the most beautifully shaped modern F1 car IMO, 130 Kilos less than today, would like to see how the total downforce numbers compare to today. Power is more today no doubt, along with tons more torque and tire, that lightness though from back then...
I agree with him on the old qualifying format (the *12 laps - 4 flying laps). Only reason they stopped it was advertising money. The session would build up and up, and you would get a chance to see all teams run. The last 15 minutes would be intense with top runners doing their fastest flying laps. It's artificial now.
@@christiansimmons630 Bought it at the store back in the day. It’s still my most priced possession in terms of the value it holds in my memories during my childhood :-)
@@christiansimmons630 Mine is a bit more bigger in size (1:18), total detailing, and the wheel turns with the steering. It’s a gem and kept under locks :D
It’s hard to say, a lot of the extra weight is from not refuelling, and having to carry the larger fuel tank plus body work and new crash structures, that the V10 era never had to worry about. Then you have the weight from the Halo which is around 9KG at it’s absolute lightest if you don’t factor in mounting structure. And in terms of power it’s not even close, the V6 PU’s are literally the most power engines F1 has ever had outside of the qualifying special engines that were used in single qualifying session during the first turbo era in the early 80’s. The current V6 PSU’s are around 1100hp at full wack plus way way way more torque (Would be even higher if not for the Ethenol fuel as the power density is about 10% lower), in terms of power and reliability they demolish literally any engine rule set before it, that’s simply not up for debate. Sound’s obviously V10 win. The issue is simply a lot of that light car comes from not having to deal with modern crash structures in the car. In short though, if you had to pick the fastest car under a single rule set, I’d be absolutely shocked if the V10 was quicker. You’re down 200HP, while the only downside on the V6 are carrying a 20KG battery pack that the V10 doesn’t. And the fact the V6 are much more fuel efficient would eat into the 20KG weight penalty. That 900HP figure was also what the V10 has only during qualifying, it was closer to around 850HP for the actual race.
Great analysis, that said strength and safety wouldn't add much with the modern materials. The biggest weight gains are from the kers/battery and the cars are larger.
F1 is supposed to be the bleeding edge of automotive development. So 'carbon neutral' fuels may end up saving combustion engines. But I see where you are coming from with the eco mentalist nonsense callout.@@SamBrickell
V10’s with slicks would beat today’s cars over one lap. They wouldn’t beat the absurdity that was the 2020 cars, they could go through pouhon and mugello’s second sector flat
Modern F1's are big, long, wide, heavy dissapointments to what F1 used to be.Put a modern F1 next to a 2003 car and you'll be shocked by the size difference.
@@tygobermind3640 no, it's a MP4-20 with the 2006 livery, you can recognize the wider, rounder nose and links to the front wing that are typical of the 2005 model and quite different compared to MP4 21. This car was used in some marketing event organized by Mercedes in spring of 2006.
I soooo completely agree with Juan Pablo Montoya, the V10 are a millionaire times better than the current V6 hybrid Vacuums, the excitement and thrill has gone. And plus its all political, stupid and boring, not to mention its all about the world 🤭😴 boring as hell. Yes the V10 era was a million times better. Juan is right. THE END
He is right, except for the fact that V10 cars would run out of fuel in after 1/3 of the race. Efficiency is probably the most important point of the V6 hybrids. To be the fastest while being fuel efficient at the same time. Unfortunatly we don't live in a planet with unlimited oil, and V10s have hardly any road relevance now.
@@nixxxon18v10s would literally be more reliable now than the v6 hybrids because of less components and moving parts and better technology now. F1 is literally more expensive now than during the v10 era so wtf are u talking about
@@AAA310 V6 are extremely reliable as they are made to last several races unlike V10 that only lasted one single race lol. Very high revving of the V10 also mean less engine life (V6 much lower revving) I think it's you who don't know your stuff.
I 100% agree with Juan. V10’s are better than the current V6’s.
Sound alot better too! 😮
Better at what?.
@@forsakenoutcast- Better at or equal to times of the 2017 & 2018 cars.
That's why v10s broke down all the time, that's why they have performance numbers looking like clown shit.
@@chrisgoat6435 - That was then. Illmor and Judd currently make V10's.
Pedro de la Rosa still holds the lap record in Bahrain and that was a V10 F1 car.
The MP4/20 to me is the pinnacle of F1. If they had have ironed out the reliability issues it would have been regarded way higher than it was.
w11
Imo the F2004 is the pinnacle. Very light, powerful V10, very efficient aero, low center of gravity.
Let's not forget: if it were not for the crash at Monaco, Schumacher would have won 13 races in a row in 2004!
The Cars of 2004 was the fastest v10
@@freakysquirrel72182005 had goofy ahh tyres, so I believe the MP4-20 should be even faster with same tyres
@@hongthainguyen5334 F2004 is the car that shocked also Ferrari engineers... It is the best F1 car ever.
They should be running V10s again with Vettels green fuel
This.
I miss JPM and the V10/V8. A beast of a driver and beast of a car.
F2002 and F2004 with Michael onboard were the ultimate GOATS.
That’s a killer looking car, the best one I’ve loved to-date in F1. Too bad it didn’t have the performance to match the good looks.
The car was incredible in Kimis hands. Just not reliable enough.
For everyone saying this is a 2006, V8 engined car:
It's an mp4-20 (2005) with an mp4-21 (2006) livery. It's a V10 engined car.
While I don’t deny the current V6 hybrid turbos are tech marvels and are insanely fast but I do maintain my opinion that there’s just something sexy about these late 90s to early/mid 2000s f1 cars. The cars from that era just have this wow factor about them and each car has its charm,whether it’s a top cars like Ferrari and McLarens to backmarkers like Minardi,they have something sexy about them. The simple aerodynamics,fast and agile on corners plus having the sound adds a lot of its magic. Even watching a driver struggling to control a Minardi is entertaining in itself. This isn’t just to F1 but also applies to other single seater categories Champ Cars,GP2,F3000 and Indy Cars.
Well duh. I still maintain that on slick tyres and without the DRS gimmick, the F2004 would absolutely destroy the W11.
I agree drs and slicks cmon yall and his Monza lap in 04 he not even a second than lewis record Quali
But why would you pit an illegal car (they didn't use slicks back then) against a car limited by the regulations? If the 2004 car could use slicks, then why not let a modern car reduce its weight, increase the fuel flow or do something else, that'd be illegal in an F1 race? How would that comparison work out then?
@@EndriuC You're implying that the F2004 wasn't limited due to aero/chassis/tech regulations either, that tyres are part of the car specs and not a separate set of regs, and that the W11 was a perfectly legal car to begin with (DAS) all at once. I'm assuming you're baiting, you can't be this dense.
@@v12vanquish135 Wtf are you on about. You're pulling stuff out of your ass while not grasping such a simple concept and apparently I'M the one dense.
Grooved tyres were forced on the teams by the regulations to slow the cars down, so the F2004 couldn't run on slicks, cause that would've been illegal. But it would definitely make the car quicker. But so would lowering the minimum weight or ride height of the W11. It couldn't have raced in F1 like that because of the regulations, but it'd become even more ridiculous. And then you wouldn't be comparing an illegal car with one fully legal (and slowed down because of it).
It's like Porsche flexing a couple of years ago that their COMPLETELY UNRESTRICTED (no min weight, ultra low ride height for ground effect, fuel flow and power turned up to 11) 919 Evo beat the F1 pole lap from the year before. Gee, shocking, that you can get all kinds of crazy results when you're not limited by any regulations. Funny though, that F1 (with all their limits) beat THAT time just a couple of months later.
So would the F2004 beat the W11 as long as you put slicks on it? Probably. But so would the Williams FW15C, if only you put a huge V10 turbo in it, slap a fan and side skirts on it to generate ground effect and put on modern slicks. Could it race in 1993 in that state? No.
@@EndriuC Thanks for the history lesson. And thanks for conceding that the F2004 would beat the W11 on slick tyres, which is what I literally said at the start. Why you thought I said it would have been legal in 2004 I have no fucking clue but keep sperging out for nothing, it's a good look.
I honestly don't think the new generation of "fans" could handle that noise.
2006 was V8 he should know that....
Great videos lad.
Interesting how he says 03 Williams was the best car he drove.
Even better than the MP4-20 appearently
I loved the ‘02 and ‘03 Williams cars. They were absolute beasts - with just under 1000bhp from a normally aspirated BMW engine. They didn’t handle as well as the Ferrari though, and Williams didn’t have a Schumacher-type character to galvanise the team and build it around them. No disgrace in that.
That's a 2005 mp4-20 in a 2006 livery. Unmistakable those two yet you manage to mistake them.
I knew that already. But they're talking about 2006 (2001-2006) and nobody bothered to mention that 2006 was V8 not V10.. @@Stephen._.Chapman
that 2005 McLaren is the most beautifully shaped modern F1 car IMO, 130 Kilos less than today, would like to see how the total downforce numbers compare to today. Power is more today no doubt, along with tons more torque and tire, that lightness though from back then...
Early to mid 90's were awesome cars, before they narrowed them and put them on grooved tyres
I agree with him on the old qualifying format (the *12 laps - 4 flying laps). Only reason they stopped it was advertising money. The session would build up and up, and you would get a chance to see all teams run. The last 15 minutes would be intense with top runners doing their fastest flying laps. It's artificial now.
The power thing is big because, in quali, yes, the V6 would win. But they can't sustain that pace for more than a lap. They need to recharge.
Yeah now around 900hp without Electric power.185kg heavier now but I think more downforce now.
Bring them back
I always said that. Just watch when Alonso takes a cuple of laps with the Renault 2006 in Abu Dhabi before his F1 return... a V10 car with slicks.
Someone needs to create an alternative F1 with V10s, grid girls, and without all the silly rules. Back to real racing.
And blown diffusers
This 2005 McLaren looks even better in 2006 paint
it's a 2006 mclaren
@arseniichashurin6066 it's not, it's a 2005 MP4-20 in the 2006 livery
@@DoMw94 is it?
@arseniichashurin6066 yes.
Wide nose is the biggest giveaway
Don’t need Montoya to tell that. Current v6 turbo trolleys are crap and everyone knows it. Batteries are for girls sex toys not for F1cars.
This car is just stunning
J.P.M.4 ever
Why they didn’t have slick tyres those days?
The sound was incredible! They sound like vacuum cleaners now.
Surprised he didn’t say the 05 McLaren, was a total beast
It sure was but, poor guy couldn’t handle it as best as Kimi did back then. I’ve a genuine scale model of that MP4-20
@@acescok that’s true he did always struggle with the rear of f1 cars
Oh that sounds awesome! How’s you get that?
@@christiansimmons630 Bought it at the store back in the day. It’s still my most priced possession in terms of the value it holds in my memories during my childhood :-)
@@acescok oh that’s awesome! I have. 1/32 model and I recently broke the front wing 😔 heartbroken so it’s in need of a trip back to the pits 😂
@@christiansimmons630 Mine is a bit more bigger in size (1:18), total detailing, and the wheel turns with the steering. It’s a gem and kept under locks :D
Everyone who likes races would agrees with him
Hell yeah
JP in the V10 williams were the most entertaining to watch.
Well no shit juan
NOBODY is going to argue with this....
It’s hard to say, a lot of the extra weight is from not refuelling, and having to carry the larger fuel tank plus body work and new crash structures, that the V10 era never had to worry about. Then you have the weight from the Halo which is around 9KG at it’s absolute lightest if you don’t factor in mounting structure. And in terms of power it’s not even close, the V6 PU’s are literally the most power engines F1 has ever had outside of the qualifying special engines that were used in single qualifying session during the first turbo era in the early 80’s. The current V6 PSU’s are around 1100hp at full wack plus way way way more torque (Would be even higher if not for the Ethenol fuel as the power density is about 10% lower), in terms of power and reliability they demolish literally any engine rule set before it, that’s simply not up for debate.
Sound’s obviously V10 win. The issue is simply a lot of that light car comes from not having to deal with modern crash structures in the car. In short though, if you had to pick the fastest car under a single rule set, I’d be absolutely shocked if the V10 was quicker. You’re down 200HP, while the only downside on the V6 are carrying a 20KG battery pack that the V10 doesn’t. And the fact the V6 are much more fuel efficient would eat into the 20KG weight penalty. That 900HP figure was also what the V10 has only during qualifying, it was closer to around 850HP for the actual race.
Great analysis, that said strength and safety wouldn't add much with the modern materials. The biggest weight gains are from the kers/battery and the cars are larger.
Normally-aspirated engines should return, with carbon-neutral fuels.
People fly cars around the world on airplanes and then celebrate racing with "carbon neutral fuels"... Are fans really that stupid?
F1 is supposed to be the bleeding edge of automotive development. So 'carbon neutral' fuels may end up saving combustion engines. But I see where you are coming from with the eco mentalist nonsense callout.@@SamBrickell
v10s are just the perfect fit
V10’s with slicks would beat today’s cars over one lap.
They wouldn’t beat the absurdity that was the 2020 cars,
they could go through pouhon and mugello’s second sector flat
Everthing he is saying... is my childhood!!!
The V10s of 2004-2005 were superior machines to those of today. Drivers cars.
Drivers cars? They had more driver aids than the cars of today
Modern F1's are big, long, wide, heavy dissapointments to what F1 used to be.Put a modern F1 next to a 2003 car and you'll be shocked by the size difference.
I love the fact they are showing a v8 f1 LMAO.
I love the fact you can't distinguish an mp4-20 in an mp4-21 livery from an actual mp4-21.
@@Stephen._.Chapman I bet anything you want that we are both wrong because that car must be empty inside xD
Remember that one time at Indy when Montoya crashed himself along with his team mate Kimi out at turn 2 at the start of the 2006 F1 race at Indy.
You say it like he meant to do it
He says nothing about V10s or V8s in the clip
Alguien que me ayude traduciendo lo que dicen en el podcast
Bring back the V10s
1993
Yeah, and water is wet.
Why you show a video of a V8 engined F1 car??
It is a V10 engined F1 car. V8 was introduced in 2006 not 2005.
@@ey1615yup and the Williams in the background is also a V10.
@@ey1615 The McLaren is from 2006 dumbass, can tell easily by the livery.
@@tygobermind3640 no, it's a MP4-20 with the 2006 livery, you can recognize the wider, rounder nose and links to the front wing that are typical of the 2005 model and quite different compared to MP4 21.
This car was used in some marketing event organized by Mercedes in spring of 2006.
I soooo completely agree with Juan Pablo Montoya, the V10 are a millionaire times better than the current V6 hybrid Vacuums, the excitement and thrill has gone. And plus its all political, stupid and boring, not to mention its all about the world 🤭😴 boring as hell. Yes the V10 era was a million times better. Juan is right. THE END
It doesn't sound as a latino!
sincerely with driver now the difference is more : 2005 was 505 kg without pilot 600/610 with pilot, today i think 830 with pilot, so more than 200
He is right, except for the fact that V10 cars would run out of fuel in after 1/3 of the race.
Efficiency is probably the most important point of the V6 hybrids. To be the fastest while being fuel efficient at the same time. Unfortunatly we don't live in a planet with unlimited oil, and V10s have hardly any road relevance now.
Lol who cares about efficiency in motorsports
@@limbeboy7 manufacturers do. They want the engines to have road relevance.
@@nixxxon18v10s would literally be more reliable now than the v6 hybrids because of less components and moving parts and better technology now. F1 is literally more expensive now than during the v10 era so wtf are u talking about
@@AAA310 V6 are extremely reliable as they are made to last several races unlike V10 that only lasted one single race lol. Very high revving of the V10 also mean less engine life (V6 much lower revving) I think it's you who don't know your stuff.
I think every F1 fan who isn't stupid or 8 years old knows the V10s are faster. Seriously, no shit. . .wtf is the point??