Not what I was expecting!?! 2023 VW Arteon R Shooting Brake | 4k
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- I've been positively curious about the Volkswagen Arteon R Shooting Brake, unfortunately this £60k + car didn't impress me too much.... A great used buy though!
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00:00 Intro
00:44 What is it?
04:15 Under the bonnet
05:39 Interior
09:52 0-60 Test
10:46 On the road
14:03 Pushing on
20:09 My Conclusion
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I’m sorry, 66 thousand pounds… what the hell is going on with these prices! She’s a looker don’t get me wrong, but 66K for a VW estate is just ridiculous. Love the videos Joe
Pick it up for 20 in 3 years and get a warranty...I just got a 2018 TSI with 40k miles for 15k trade
Yeah bit silly isn't it! Cheers man!
I agree. I can't see why anyone would buy this over an M340 touring at the price being asked.
Crazy and to think a 2023 R-Line diesel with a few thousand miles is high thirties.
@@jasontate1135 Probably because it doesnt actually cost that much in reality - its regularly had almost £10-15k off list from new and used ones are a bargain
It’s a shame it doesn’t have the 2.5 5 pot. Would have been nice to see that in an estate
That would have been cool!
Yeah quite wierd VW as a group daddy doesnt get that gem of an engine but Seat gets it... I get the Golf R not getting it not the canibalize the sales of the RS3 but why arteon isnt getting it is beyond my mind.
@@OmgiamsotriggeredI genuinely think VAG purposely limit how many of their hot cars get the 2.5 5 pot. There are so many of their cars it could go in but it's in the RS3 and the Cupra Formentor (and that one is only available in left hand drive). I have no idea why they don't put it in more. I guess emissions or something.
@@milinddixit6583It's also in the TTRS (to be dead soon), and the RSQ3.
@@pokest225Yes forgot about those. Basically it's the only non-Audi it's in is the Cupra Forementor. I'm guessing they're keeping it like forbidden fruit.
the 6-cylinder BMW m340i + £6k in options looks a lot smarter than £66k on a 4-cylinder VW, that’s crazy money
Is it as utilitarian? Does it drive, handle better? Is it more efficient? Is it cheaper to repair and own?
@@krane15
Yes. Yes. No. No.
I think sizewise Arteon is more like 5 series? But rest still stays valid - for 60-70k can get 540i with 333bhp which is similiar to Arteon.
@@absurdalny The wheelbase and length is exactly between the BMW 3er and 5er; Audi A4 and A5; Mercedes C class and E class. I'd bet they did that on purpose to have an USP in comparioson and gather customers even if it has premium like prices.
There are second hand 2023 models in this same spec at main dealers with only 2000 miles for £45K. £20K depreciation in a couple of months and just 2000 miles !!! You’d be mad to get one new!
Living here in the States, I never knew that VW even offered an estate version of the Arteon, and I’ve been a fan of the Arteon for some time now. It looks extremely sexy imo, and definitely has its own style that sets it apart from a majority of vehicles on the road.
Its not a shooting brake, its a WAGON. Damn liberals always renaming things when they don't like the stigma associated with a name, when we all know its still the same thing. Just say it... WAGON. Not estate, not shooting brake, and its illegals, and homeless, not undocumented and unhoused, lol!
Wagons went out of fashion in the U.S. a long time ago. Even if it were imported American wouldn't pay that for a VW emblem. Even if it is just as capable and as well built as it more expensive German rivals.
Rather than a top spec'ed VW, they pay that for an entry level Audi, Mercedes, or BMW. Americans are badge obsessed. Still, Toyota manages to sell a dozen cars that cost more without needing to put them under its luxury Lexus badge.
The current TOYOTA RAV4 Prime (a formally entry level family SUV) now can top 50k! There's also the Toyota Highlander. Haven heard any reviewer say they're too expensive. Go figure.
@@krane15it’s unfortunate that you can’t just get any car from anywhere in the world. I would have this estate version of the Arteon in a heartbeat. I like the hatchback version, but the wagon version is even cooler. Hatchbacks are doing well in the US, why can’t they just bring this one. Or at least let people pay more to import it. I had a Passat wagon, and I loved it. It sucks loving things that the majority doesn’t. I love standing out, and not being like everyone else. I guess if I really want a wagon, I have to get the Audi A6 Allroad. I do like that car, but the price. The Arteon isn’t cheap either, but it’s not A6 Allroad price.
I was about to say 66k still buys you a 1 bed house in Bradford but then realised most people would still rather live in this car
Bradford a dream town that many in the world see as a shining beacon of modernity and good living.
I can assure you you can't buy a house in Bradford for 66k no matter how hard you try.
@@andysautomotiveadventures9587there’s a couple. Few and far between granted but possible
@@br164 I live here......citations needed lol
Hey Joe, thanks for recently doing more videos and expanding the automotive universe on this channel. I loved this video as much as the second Honda FL5 one. Good job mate! Although your videos are a little lengthy, I remained. engaged and committed to hear your insights! Take care all.
Thanks buddy great to hear!
The VAG group should really start considering dropping the 2.5 5 pot in more cars. The RS3 is amazing don't get me wrong, but hearing the 5 pot howling in something like this would complete the menacing look it has.
Sure it more powerful, but an inherently unstable engine? I'm not sure about that decision. A VR6 would have been my first choice. But I realize carmaker have to comply with government regulations.
You've come a long way Joe! I remember watching you back when you had the Up!, Black M2, M135i (1st Gen) & 7 Series. Great to see your channel doing so well!
Thanks Luke, hope you're well mate!
@JoeAchilles1 I'm good thanks! Formally known as LukeW1090, but I'll forgive you if you don't remember 🤣🤣
Best review of this car I've seen so far on yt!
Great review. Thanks for sharing 👍
The rear 3/4 view looks like a big 4 door Scirocco. Good looking car.
Agreed!
I‘m driving one of these for nearly two years now and you are right about most things. My top priority was the space and although I might be biased, I think there is no other car on the market that has this much space in a similarly attractive shape.
When driving it for over a week, you’ll start to get used to the strange feeling when turning in tight corners and it will honestly make sense. This car will go round sharp corners like hell with the sport steering and torque vectoring doing their magic.
You did not mention the Nappa seats, which are a pleasure on long distances and even have massage function.
Also, when putting the transmission in S while keeping it in standard sport mode, the exhaust will start making noises no one would expect from a car of this size. There is no fancy Akrapovic branding on the tips but god does this sound good. Still decent on the upshifts but when downshifting on high revs, the party starts.
Yeah the seats are good, but the awkward driving position ruins their benefits for taller drivers. In terms of handling, it's decent, but it wouldn't see which way an M340i went in reality!
The engine you described sounds like my mk8 golfr! the Arteon looks fun 😍
My Golf R 2018 estate has 610 litres of boot space and weighs 1500 kg. For a relatively small car it’s been designed well to maximise space and the boot isn’t compromised by the 4 wheel drive system. A good used one (newer than mine) can be had for less than half of this price. It’s not as pretty as this though. Thankfully it doesn’t have VWs newish non illuminated touch controls, I’m happy with dials.
620 litres on my beloved Seat Cupra estate I've just sold. That boot was huge
Great video Joe. Have you driven the Tiguan R yet? I've been looking at them for a while and looking at picking one up next year.
The only contender is Skoda Superb 280PS. It's 4x4, with many toys included - but it does not look as good. I have owned Superb 4x4 280PS for about 6 months now. I do remeber a year ago, when I was deciding if I should go Arteon R or Superb, I could not make my mind. Price difference was about 12%, so not massive. There were two reasons why I decided to go with Superb - first one (most important) was that Superb has phisical buttons for everythin, including aircon. Second - Superb is is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Yes, Arteon is looking fantastic, yes, it has 40PS/20Nm more (on paper because we all know that these engines come with some gifts from the factory) but the way the car handles is still nowhere near to BMW M340i, or as a matter of fact any BMW :). I am happy (-ish) with my Superb planing on some upgrades to make handling a bit better, and if I was to spend £65k - no way I would pay it for Arteon R.
Love the vids Joe🔥 this looks like a beast😮
Thank you!
I’m not surprised they’re discontinuing this in 2024, nobody with £65k to spend is going to buy a VW. It’ll depreciate like a falling star too.
A shame really because as far as wagons go in terms of looks, this is up there with the best, for me it’s a phenomenal looking car.
Great review Joe 👌🏻👍🏻
In Germany they sell well, i don't know why..
@@buraksahin4181As company car, no one want finance this otherwise.
This is high-tier nonsense and sounds like the usual BMW fanboyism that is common from subscribers of this channel (but, granted, maybe i don't know enough about the UK market). In most of West EU (so Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, France), to my knowledge, these (and most VW's) hold value insanely well, and are constantly among the top selling lists in the premium segment. I own BMW myself but there's no need to tell ourselves nonsense when it comes to other brands.
@@ZenzDeluxe I wholeheartedly agree with you, in the UK however unless it’s a premium VW Golf model which naturally is the most popular buy here, everything else is overlooked at that price bracket. I live in a city in the UK I am yet to see a single Arteon R, I also don’t see many Touareg’s (similar price bracket) but I have seen a few Tiguan R, arguably a different price / type of consumer bracket. This taking into consideration that there’s a VW dealership 1.2 miles from my front door. As you eluded to, most likely just a UK thing.
What car would you buy that doesn't depreciate?
The new price is crazy but these are quite decent on the used car market. 43k in Germany while they’re easily 75k new… so in 3 years these will be fast performance bargains
I don’t see why you’d get one of these over a 280 4x4 Skoda Superb estate.
You can get an M340i with options for the same money.
They were talking about putting the VR6 in it originally and when they decided against it they nearly put the RS3 5 cyl engine in it…but Audi wouldn’t let them!
Big Mistake in my opinion-that would have been the perfect engine for this car!
Hilarious when you think they won't let VW use it but they will give it to cupra 😂😂
Ahh I didn't know that!
@@JoeAchilles1 Formentor VZ5. IT is funny to me how VW's flagship can't have that 5cyl, but re-badged (and over-priced, let's be honest) Seat... i mean Cupra ... can.
The prefect engine would have been the VR6. Especially since there are already cars being released that makes its current engine, look less and less attractive. But regulations are regulation.
You can actually pick up delivery mileage examples for sub £50k, also I think the biggest competitor for this car is the Golf R estate, which actually has a larger boot capacity.
Brilliantly objective video Joe!
Totally agree on it not making any sense new… Even more so in France with huge CO2 tax on new cars. Cheers, Tom
Prices now are mental. I have just watched Tim talking about his latest Ferrari at £278,000 with £73,073 in (must have) options
Yep and it's only getting worse...
My 4 bed detached wasn't much more. Genuinely 😳
There's a reason you don't see many. It's because nobody in their right mind would pay £60k for a glorified 4 cylinder passat. These manufacturers are taking the piss with pricing!
You took the words right out of my mouth!
I know you've driven the Octavia VRS but for a huge boot and rear legroom i'd suggest the superb with the ea888 4x4 drivetrain, was 280bhp on the outgoing model. Thats not claiming to have sporty handling and doesn't have a sporting submodel label like VRS, R or M (performance), both of which appeals to me more for a big practical car!
I do love frameless door windows though. I'd consider a used non-R Arteon estate just for that reason!
All R versions are sport derived, and have sporting DNA.
Man! Can't wait for this in the U.S.!
I have to keep reminding myself you're a big chap because you really make the car look small whilst explaining how big it is :')
the fourth generation ea888 in the Octavia RS has a smaller turbocharger and the internals aren't forged like they are on the R motors. the R engine also has an oil catch can system attached to PCV system to prevent carbon buildup. so yes, same engine code. but different engine.
Very balanced review as always.
Personally, i dont even think it looks great but it's practicality perhaps makes up for that.
That being said 66k is way too much. Id have a golf r estate and forgo the extra space!
Again you talk a lot of sense Joe - great honest review
One of the best looking estate's on the road . I thought that colour was called kingfisher blue
That car is dope. Have a VW they are great but get a good looking one like this.
Fantastic review, as always, Joe. We don't get these Down Under. Nice car for the money.
What the hell you on fella? These are 100% on sale in Australia
I've miss read the title but I think Shopping break sounds appropriate.
60k for a 2L car is crazy
Just think of the Mercedes SL43!
@@edbailey503or the new C63 AMG
what if it was 4L with same 320hp?
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🤣@@igoresque
Current TCR owner, ex-VW dealer employee. When VW released this, it was known from the outset at being overpriced. That’s why there are only 307 on the UK roads which may also explain poor residuals. The customer base for interest in that sort of car isn’t large enough.
Having owned a b8.5 S4 avant, if I wanted a large quick estate now I’d buy a 19 plate Leon Cupra R ST ABT for a smidge under 30k. All the power you need, not many on the road but enough to retain solid residuals, cheap to run and similar build quality.
Or if you wanted badge snobbery, a Golf R is the same but in a posher frock. :-)
After that then I’d consider an M340i wagon.
The price is rather high, but it’s a nice car. A colleague of mine just received hers in hybrid trim. In my country you can only get them funny equipped and the hybrid goes for €62000. Since it is a company car it needs to be hybrid and I didn’t like the 1.4. So in the end I went for the V60 T6 which is a bit more powerful (and expensive).
Always liked the VW Arteon!
Joe, how did u find the braking on this car. I'm not happy with the braking performance on mine.
Looks really nice especially the quad AMG-like tips but really needs more displacement and cylinders to justify that price. Its big yes but a Tiguan R with pretty much the same engine starts from £45k.
It needs authentic Brembo brakes. Especially when Honda and Hyundai/Kia offer them on their N/R cars.
Kicking the arse off 70k is bonkers - I appreciate it's got the options you mention but I wonder what people are able to get them for? I think many would opt for a Merc shooting brake and lose some performance.
Every time I saw one of these on the road, I took a picture.🤣
I had one of these (206-TSI R line because the R isn’t in Aus!) it was a nice car and it got a lot of compliments. The room is crazy! None of our SUV’s have come close in terms of rear leg space. I miss it sometimes, but then I remember all the things I didn’t like about it. 😫
what didn't you like about it? I have a Skoda Superb at the moment and this looks like a more rapid version of the Superb with better styling.
@@MotoGraham Just some of the features that they took out from the old model to the new. We had the original Liftback and then upgraded to the wagon.
They removed the traction control button, meaning using launch control was now a pain in the ass, they removed the auto dimming mirror on the passenger side, the digital dash got worse! The quality, the lag was way more noticeable from old gen to new, the bonnet struts were gone and replaced with an old fashioned stick, the steering controls were changed to touch sensitive, the adaptive cruise control was a freaking nightmare on the highway because it’s set up for Europe and brakes when you try and overtake in any lane but the far right, the road noise was worse (although this could have been because we went from liftback to wagon), the rear windows no longer used double glazed windows. Just a lot of little things that added up to big things when you counted them all.
@@asum307 thanks that's really great to know! My Superb seems to have most of those features now so I'm a bit reluctant to "upgrade" to the Arteon. I do like the performance figures but so much of the inside of the Arteon is the same as my Superb. Most noticeably on a day-to-day is the same infotainment system!!
I would love to have these come to the USA , love wagons
There is a 21 plate for sale in the same spec with 24000 miles for 35k..... Still under warranty from VW.....makes sense at that price
About the power "issue" - this engine is known to produce about 420-500 hp when tuned up to Stage 1 and Stage 2.
I don't think the RS4 is a similar chassis, that engine is longitudinally mounted and transversely mounted in the Arteon, the Arteon is also really just a stretched out Golf, so there would have to be massive changes to the chassis to move to the RS4s, torsen based AWD system.
As someone else said though, the RS3 2.5 5 pot would have been magic
Excellent review as always.
Ahh yes very good point! Thank you 👌
No it not, the chassis is designed to be modular.
@@krane15 the MQB chassis is exclusively transverse in design, it can't accommodate a longitudinally mounted engine.
I loved this when it launched a couple of years ago - it’s basically a take down Panamera Sport Turismo
Good analogy
Yes very similar silhouette, but far more practical thankfully, the Panamera is very tight for rear passengers.
Lovely motor and at 37k for a 22 plate it's good value on the used market
Got an r line love it
Couldn’t resist a peek into the classified. There’s a ‘23 plate, 2,500 mile R demonstrator for sale at £46k which was reduced to £44k by the time you reach the bottom of the Ad. Bumped into a guy who proudly showed me his, in blue, and he conceded that the MpG was horrendous if he pushed on.
The MPG is not very good even if you drive in normal mode (which is called sport in settings) but comes up as D1-7 in the dash settings, yet if you choose actual sport by pulling the gear lever back it shows S1-7 on the dash, then it u select Race it still shows S1-7.
The only way I find to get Decent MPG is to put the car in Eco mode but then it's so laggy if you need to get going at times, like for example at a roundabout and there is a gap to go it's so sluggish or if you want to overtake on the motorway.
Example a 17 mile trip down the motorway to work @ 70mph in Eco mode will return 34/35mpg
In Normal mode that will be around 28-30mpg.
That is one good looking car to be fair!!
See for the same price at this car you can get an approved used 2022 Audi A8 60 TFSI with 462hp barely run in. Staggering cars like this Arteon even sell at all despite being a great car.
Absolutely wonderful car, VW did a crazy good job designing this car. But 66k is just absurt. What the hell are these prices nowadays? That amount of money can get you much more
The steering wheel at 7:31 looks happy to be on camera 😂
3:00 there is not rear aircon button? R version and there is not 3-zone aircon?
about the price.. dont know about the UK but in Germany cars above a Golf are over 80/90 company leases without vat . Thats why they sell so many
Needs a 2.5 or 3L engine to really be worth it in all honesty as like you said in the video, if you have a full car with luggage it will feel a bit slow
Hi Joe, thanks for the video. Would you recommend this or the SEAT Leon Cupra estate 4x4 300 R ST? I remember your great video on that.
Ahh if you don't need the space, the SEAT is far better Dynamically 👌
Excellent, many thanks for that 👌👌👍much appreciated.
Beautiful car!
as you say a great second hand option, 2 years old with
Joe sums it’s up perfectly insane money for this car..
If we went back 30 years these cars and more would never sell
Clever marketing for lease deals is what’s caused these stupid prices
Personally I buy 18 month cars cash and find I’m loosing a great deal
Nice, but my low mileage B9 S4Avant with a DMS remap offers RS4 numbers and was nearly 30 grand less!! (and I regularly get 37mpg or better on motorway runs)
Apple vs oranges. Why is it so hard to get this right?
A Passat B8 R-Line 2.0 TSI 270 estate can be had with the same mechanicals including 4-Motion for a lot less money, has more practicality with the variable boot floor and has the same performance. The Skoda Superb 2.0 TSI 270 estate also has the same mechanicals with 4-Motion, offers similar performance, much more space, more practicality and is significantly better value for money.
love it
There is another option from Skoda which is about identical in size, and in my opinion, looks even better that the Arteon.. The Superb. In Romania, the 280hp model starts from 46k Euro :O And it comes witj 4x4 and the whole lot. I know where my money woul go - G20 330i rwd 🤣
I look forward to your vids more than any of _your peers_ you know, the usual suspects.
I'm so incredibly glad I didn't buy an Arteon R. My golf r was too good to be replaced by that car.
_Then came the m240i_ . Joe is very much a part of my purchase choice.
Great to hear thank you!
Did you sell the golf r for the m240i?
@@bobbybooshay5854 Yes
2016
My god... it is beautiful...
Which North America, Canada and the U.S will not be getting again?
Mega Design, nice Car
prices are out of hand everywhere, but damn it is really good looking and compelling, except for the price that is..
for us living in northern hemisphere and very cold winters and mornings, how the F do you control all those touch screens in winter GLOVES???
Definitely has striking looks. The problem is that the price is Audi/BMW/Mercedes territory.
Nearly a £30k discount for a 1yr old car. My Lord. That’s what you’d get then take it to Revo and make even faster still! Lovely, but it’s still (as you say), a golf-level interior - it’s not an Audi/BMW standard. I had no idea it was so much more cavernous than my 5 series!!
60 grand! Thats used E53/E63 estate money and i know which i would buy.
It also doesnt do the practicality as well as a Passat estate or indeed an E class. Ive got a 16 year old Passat estate and it has a 650 litre boot and 1650 litres with the seats down so im not sure why boot capacity seems to have got smaller over the years.
The deal breaker for me even on the normal Arteon shooting brake is the lip between the boot and the back of the rear seats when theyre down. The Passat and S213 E class has a fully flat floor so does things even better.
…and the dash indicated 22.1mpg average over c4000 miles. Prices are crazy. There’ll be some serious depreciation to endure on new cars sold recently.
maybe a golf R estate would be more realistic? as a B8 Passat owner i'd love a drive..
There is the GTI, but that's a totally different car. One if for a growing family. The other, for a grown up (where the larger near-adult kids are still in the house) one.
Great. Another “not expecting that!” a video on UA-cam.
…..it is a stand alone product. Kinda expensive? Maybe yes, BUT it’s different. Being different and big and fast, costs!
Freaking great VW.
I’d have this over anything on the market
You don’t see them
We got a cs mk8 over the R, same reason and just as fast if not more involving on the move
Wow! I'm here in the US and have a 2023 Arteon SEL, but the Shooting Brake has a better engine note, stronger engine, seats and other bits . I feel cheated being here in the US....lol!!!
But the Golf R boot is bigger, so how can it be a practical version?
Even in this market, this car will depreciate massively. I’m thinking 8000 miles, 1 year old, £38k.
They’re on Autotrader at VW main dealers for only £45K now (6 months old and only 2000 miles). You’d probably be able to negotiate a bit more off too. So I think you’re numbers are likely to be pretty close.
Just curious, did anyone choose Arteon R over BMW M340i?
It looks nice, probably nice to drive, but for that price, you can get a GOLF R and 20k left over for your portfolio. Or better yet, a Merc GLB AMG 35 will do.
They just pulled the Arteon and Passat as an offering in Australia. A real shame and the Arteon is getting doiscontnued globally so get the order in now if you want one.
please also mention the metric system in your videos...
If you can live with a lesser badge and less sleek looks, a Skoda Superb tsi awd has mostly the same mechanicals and even more practicality for a lot less money.
Its a detuned engine but can be remapped back up to similar or more output for a few hundred quid
It also has the older infotainment and physical climate control etc so it's actually a better interior in alot of ways and definitely better fir taller folks too
I wish we could get these wagons in the states 😢. Instead we get big suv that drink gas like water on a hot day 😂. I know because I have a X5M, gulp gulp…..
Its weird how this engine is also available in the sedan but only in an R-line package and not a proper R badge
I have an Arteon (not an R) and there are an awful lot of issues with build and reliability. Mine has not been too bad apart from rattles and a complete infotainment failure but many owners are having issues with the DSG box, infotainment failures (like mine) and the most common: a need to replace the steering wheel. Some owners are on their 6th steering wheel.
@japanwatchconnection Come back in a year 😁
A shooting brake has only 3 door though?
The only thing, apart from the price, I don't like about the car are the rims, they seem too big and empty with those brake discs. I wonder how it'd look like with some thicker set of tyres
Is zf8 > vw dsg?
Enjoyed the review, but ridiculous money for a "pretty" Golf estate.
Had a very similar car in the guise of a Skoda Superb 272 4x4 - brand new, that was less than 40k on a 2019 plate.
Wow, 66k. I'd prefer the hatchback. Why can't the 3 series get dials like this?
I wish we could get these in the US
Looks decent
Capacitive buttons - just absurb to have on a steering wheel, IMO, or even in general on an automobile.
Yeah our roads are shocking for sure, and cars these days, for me, seem poorly suited - either too stiff or too soft (actually underdampened). Over-stiff for "sporty" feel but for comfort cars they often go too soft and have weak dampers so on rebound from the major undulations our roads have the car end's up bouncing lessening control as well lending to too much body sway. For me i think supple springs with strong dampers would be my ideal. Older cars [from Patrick's favourite era] never seemed so bad, i can only assume that the higher weight & size of modern cars coupled with large heavy wheels and low profile tyres are just unsuitable for UK's roads (of course the roads have deteriorated too!).
As for the Arteon, looks good, love the wheels & colour, way overpriced though. Run-flat tyres would contribute a lot to the road noise!
Thanks for the review, Joe!
Way over priced compared to what?