You know the whole tulpa thing really makes me double think the motto of fazbear ent "Fantasy and Fun come to life" because it might be more literal then I thought
Kind of love the idea that the fear experiments were intended to conjure a being and Shadow Freddy is the result. Would make the FNAF 4 night gameplay SO cool as a narrative experience with that in mind. We're seeing the culmination of all of William's work up to that point.
Technically, the Shadows are like their Pokémons and William wanna catch ‘em all for control. Tbf, Tulpa Theory is really interesting and does give a level of detail about the Shadows and especially the odd questions about FNAF 4. Truly an amazing theory and video
Finally someone pointing out that "Agony" is mostly fandom shorthand 🙌 I swear so many people would be less upset or confused with certain parts of the lore if we collectively stopped treating it so weirdly and just said "you know how paranormal stories have emotion haunting things? literally just that". I like the theory, I'll need to think more on some of the specific suggestions but the idea makes sense, especially for the plush who I've been suggesting something similar about for a while.
@@Grimkeeper17 wait, poltergeists are emotional hauntings? I always thought it they were just spirits you could never see no matter what...I guess that makes since
@VOgaming51official they are sometimes but not always thought of as manifestations of ones intense emotions and memories imprinting upon something or somewhere but the entity is not the person itself who is causing. It essentially becomes it own amalgamated thing that feeds off chaos it can cause. It's like a black whole for negative emotion/memory/energy. I like to use the movie the poltergiest as a general insight as to what might be going on in the world of fnaf. Especially the ball pit of fnaglf reminds me of the closet the poltergiest inhabits within the movie. There's an old belief that science has slowly been proving and that is everything can hold "memory". water, metal, wood, the dirt of the earth itself can store your dna/memories ect.
There is probably a world where you spin it to explain why Physic Friend Fredbear would be comforting the Crying Child while still keeping William talking through the plushies. Something along the lines of William originally spoke through the plushies as a way to further control his son, but after awhile the Crying Child had such a strong emotional attachment to it because it was probably his only friend ,next to the other plushies that he owned, that it his emotions and a belief that it was real projected so heavily on to it and caused it to manifest into its own being.
Very well put together video as usual, Sire. I love these sorts of independent theories that break away from the main consensuses and provide unique answers- 14 Theory being another more modern example.
You know, the novels actually have some evidence that support this theory about Agony sometimes mixing with other emotions. In the Silver Eyes, Marla talks about how memories can linger in places and even flashes of emotions from others affecting different people. (Pages 75-77 in my copy) That sounds a lot like how feelings of suffering create Agony which affects/powers entities. Plus, Taggart did note that other emotions also have power (like an experiment where love created small crystals), but believed that Agony was the strongest. And you have the implication that novel Charlie was created through Henry pouring his grief and agony into the doll. She didn't have pure suffering put in her, she also had grief and sorrow, which is probably why she is one of the few Agony beings that isn't super hostile. (Also, the Proto-Baby skeleton was infused with a bunch of anger and was then possessed by Elizabeth, so she is in an entirely different situation)
This could also explain why fnaf 4 ends with night 5, when nightmare shows up at the end of the night. William finally got what he was looking to create.
Huh, I’ve thought about something in a similar vein to this for a while, but I never had the supernatural knowledge to be able to name it. I like that it gives William a reason to start the scientific experiments in the first place and the explanation of the recreation of the Afton house underground. Nice video:)
I 100% agree that tulpas are involved within the FNAF universe. The books and the games specify this concept a LOT and it makes the lore make more cohesive sense than it did before. The whole idea of the nightmare animatronics is a great example of tulpas, being created through emotion that’s so strong that it becomes sentient (mainly nightmare fredbear and nightmare). Shadow Freddy, RWQ, The Yellow Rabbit from Into the pit, Eleanor, Fredbear plush, etc are all examples of what tulpas are in the supernatural. Sometimes I wonder if golden Freddy could be a tulpa of its own right, not just being possessed. That would make sense on why it’s so different from the other main animatronics and why it appears as a ghostly form that we never see physically. It makes me wonder if golden Freddy itself is created from the vengeful spirit and is their tulpa, along with David/c.c, hence why it acts so different I think Scott was going in this direction and there’s a lot of evidence for it
Just to get clarification on this since I barely know anything about tulpas, but those are the entities that are created from intense emotions and thoughts (mainly fear from what I recall about one comment that explained what tulpas are in mythology/folklore) if I remember correctly, right?
@ Tulpas originate from Tibetan Buddhism, which is a thought or emotion created from intense spiritual practice and concentration, mainly through meditation and visualization. So it can be anything, not just fear in that context. In Buddhism, this term is known as Nirmita, which translates to trulpa, meaning “magical creation, emanation (Nirmita), phantom; divinely emanated artisan, apparitional, manifestation, magically created appearance, etc etc” Nowadays, Tulpas have become what we know as from the fnaf theory. They stem from beliefs of what we call tulpamancers, who believe that Tulpas are sentient and independent beings created from imagination (any thought or emotion in this case). To them, it’s a psychological concept, not a paranormal one, which makes sense as well imo. This is interesting because they believe Tulpas are imaginary friends, like how the psychic friend fredbear is c.c/David’s imaginary friend in this case. Imagination appears to be related to thoughts and emotion manifested, especially for fnaf due to the concept of agony and remnant.
14:49 I still believe Cassidy plush alter m to me it just explains so much about fnaf 4 and all of it's weird details like why tiny toy chica is missing her, why mangle is there, why William is purple and why the plush is so supernatural (i mean tulpa theory also explains it, but IMO Cassidy plush alter m makes more sense). Also it's a pretty cool idea.
After the stand comment and abit too much thinking, I find it eerie how much this would make for a very cursed Pokemon game plot. . .anyways I think you hit the nail on the head with this, and frankly it makes sense that they'd branch out moree into actually non corporeal supernatural entiies. Imagine what hey can do with future games if they lean into it - creatures of the night less substancee and more emotion, less animatronic more what they are imagined to be. . .
We really don't have a confirmed instance of "Agony" being anything other than corruption. Like they're responsive to whatever emotions created them- and for Andrew and most of his "Agony" creations that was lashing out. He didn't even want to hurt people other than Afton- but all of the infected things did anyways. Plushtrap Chaser, Ella, Step Closer Foxy, Fetch, the Pit Keeper, and Eleanor- pretty much all characters that have reason to be deemed "Agony" beings all act violent or destructive ultimately. In the novels- while it isn't called "Agony" by name- it's described how even before Charliebot 4/Baby was possessed, she was corrupted and hateful because of how Henry lashed out at his creation in frustration and self-loathing- which *might* be why she killed Elizabeth (that's really unclear in the original novel though). Something similar happens when Edwin tries to destroy the original Mimic when David dies- it's described as being filled with his hatred and sorrow- and only after that point does it attack people. The only frights and tales monsters that aren't cleanly portrayed as monsters for the sake of being monsters are ones we don't have confirmed origins for- like Coils the clown. For all we know they aren't agony characters and even then their motives are almost never explained.
@ Maybe it depends on how the agony was presented. Maybe of it’s fear and remorse, it gives objects a sense of morality, kinda like the Charliebots, cause we know Henry cried his agony into the Ella doll, which gave the bots humanity.
You have to have free will to be evil in the first place or else it’s not really good or evil it’s just nature. Like we don’t call animals that eat people evil they don’t really know better
Duuuude… THIS is the kinds theorizing we need right now. While I enjoy the macro theorizing, the micro theories like these are what gives Fnaf so much depth. Another classic from Squawks.
This video was so good, Squawks, but as I watched it, my brain could only think, "Dave really just went and "Daniel, The Cooler Daniel" William with Glitchbear". Sorry the idea has bewitched me, it's all parts disturbing and heartwarming (Michael and Glitchbear more like. Guy and the replacement father figure tulpa thing his brother made ft Cassidy as spectator), and with a great potential for comedy, I will think about it for weeks to come, I am sorry again, real good video! I am going back to sleep now.
In the FNaF 1-4 storyline without the Nightmare Experiments and stuff, how does Mike's experiences create Shadow Freddy? Since S. Freddy appears in FNaF 2 and Mike starts his journey FNaF 1, which is after 2, as well the Nightmares happening post-1 because of the reverse Phone Guy call. Does his overall guilt or something create it?
Agony has been a thing for a couple years now, basically negative emotions can affect the real world. It basically explains haunted houses and demons and stuff like that
It's pain Genuinely, don't listen to anyone else. It's the emotion of pain. And in FNaF, emotions have slow but passive effects on everything around them. There, done, no 15 minute video needed
@@CottonArsonist It's not just pain..The book that actually talks about it states ANY emotions work, just that some are stronger than others when it comes to result; with AGONY being the strongest emotion that causes the most paranormal effects (agony can be either pain, or extreme sadness/mourning..aka emotional/mental pain).
One thing i always question is what happened to the night security guards after they get killed by the animatronics like do the spare parts where they're bodies was stuffed in are also possessed or what?
Whay if CC saw rhe mimic? He's a kid in 83 so maybe he was old enough in 79 to remember the mimic. It would explain why he's specifically afraid of the suits/animatronics and not the characters themselves. It's because he saw something evil as the costumes themselves. Idk, just an interesting thought
Scott said he just saw something that was misunderstood in the shadows. There's literally no misunderstanding about CC's fear if it was the Mimic since that would justify his phobia of animatronics as that thing would've been a legitimate threat to his life.
Thanks for clarrifying what Agony is to people. Its literally just the concept of "Objects being in the neae proximity of a ghost can display weird behaviors". Its not necessarily the ghosts directly controlling something, its literally just objects reacting to being near a ghost. Like... every paranormal story has this concept. Scott Cawthons just using his own term to explain it. Remnant is literally just what you would describe as the object the ghost is inhabiting. The endoskeletons in the original 4 are Remnant because they have ghosts in them.
Remnant doesn't exactly require the ghosts to be near or in them. It's more akin to hauntings caused by pure emotion! Which is technically a thing in the irl ghost scene..with certain types of ghosts not actually being the person, the soul, it's just their strong emotions taking physical form effecting objects around or even just replaying events like walking in the same place everyday at the same time; remnant is like this..not necessarily NEEDING to be the soul itself or have a soul around..just STRONG emotions.
This is one of those theories where I don't think it's canon but I would love it to be. It would make things so much more simple, but I'd need to see at least one or two more strong evidence to sway me that way. Right now, there's a lot of good secondary evidence but not much primary evidence. It's a great theory though!
I like the Theory but I find the name weird as Tulpas are real.(but also remnants and agony are real to) ps:like that night mare is a side villain here, like the living embodiment of mikel´s grief that fallows hem. not apart of the theroy but I belive that mikel also faces nightmare inbetween fnaf 3 and 6.
Could you donate video on Balloon Boy? He's such a strange character, he might be haunted yet there's no obvious explanation for thst and he doesn't kill you, just steals your batteries. I get it could just be gameplay not mstchingbup great to story but he just never quite fit to me
when it's a strong emotion becoming a person or taking on a life of its own that's more of a japanese oni and i think of agony beings more like these oni that take on a life of their own..
2:13 what if the ballons or party hats or whatever they get when they died what if the color that determans what emotion they died giving out (ex) red-anger purple-love yellow-hate blue-agony
I’m not 100% following, but I will say that something under William’s control setting up happiest day almost makes sense to me. The spirits still being there is what killed William. These spirits want William gone. Putting them to rest keeps William safe.
Except his whole goal is experimenting on them. Why set something free that you want more of? Even in 6 he is continually fascinated by their ever changing existence. His life’s work is tied to them still existing.
Not unlike the Psychic Friend Fredbear part of John FuhNaff's recent FNaF timeline. I thought it was really persuasive there, and having someone independently (?) come to the sam conclusion really lends support to it being supported by the evidence.
Hey Sire, unrelated, but I was looking at your digital Foxy grid and I was wondering if the red traces at the vertical 15 are there because there is a very faded 15 or it's just a mistake?
I disagree that the Fredbear Plush wants to scare CC. I think more than anything, CC wanted someone to not only protect him but to SEE him. Someone who wouldn’t bully him or call him crazy for his fears. When Fredbear Plush says things like “you know what will happen if he catches you,” that’s it acknowledging CC’s fears in the way CC always wanted.
@@siresquawks I think that also fits my interpretation. Mike bullies CC relentlessly. From CC’s perspective, Mike *does* hate him. He just wants to hear someone else say that.
@@thekingslayer2178 I don't disagree- I just wanted to mention the line I was referring to. While it isn't completely out of malice I think- he is feeding into the fears some.
It just seems Scott is just making up his own mythos for his series as he goes. Also I'd like to point out since Scott is a Christian, everything around souls/spirits mostly related to the Christian understanding of them. Tulpas as a concept have their origins in Buddhism, not Christianity.
I'm really just borrowing the word used in popculture for this- not the literal Buddhist concept. Considering this is an expansion of stated concepts in the series he made- this isn't that crazy of a concept.
Fun fact tulpas and thoughtforms are a kind of plurality similar (but different) to dissociative identity disorder. I’m not a huge fan of this theory though as I’m personally pretty sick of people relating plurality to horror, possession or violent beings. It’s a huge trope that causes a lot of stigma to people like me who are plural
You can have imaginary friends or create imaginary beings without having DID...tulpas are something that have existed as a concept for a LONG time! It has nothing to do with DID, no relation, don't know how it'd cause negative stigma for those with DID as no one links the 2 besides you (never heard anyone link it, barely even know anyone who knows what tulpas are/have heard of them! lol). Tulpas aren't inherently evil either btw I mean..having an imaginary friend as a kid is normal, and most kids do not have DID.
A big counter argument with the Fredbear plush being a tulpa is why don’t CC’s other plushies act this way? Why doesn’t Charlie’s plushies in the novel trilogy act this way? Charlies toy Ella should be the most reactive out of any of them because Henry cried into it and stuff. I don’t think there’s any evidence that Tulpas exist in the FNAF universe imo I think what happened is Fredbear was just supposed to be CC’s imaginary friend and SL retconned it to being William as the Fredbear plush being an imaginary friend could support dream theory which Scott was trying to deconfirm with SL & FNAF WORLD.
@@siresquawksMaybe he could be his favorite plush. I’m unsure of that however as CC only comments on the main four Freddy character plushies being “his friends.” Actually now that I think of it CC never mentions or comments on the Fredbear plush at all.
Plushbear literally teleports in the game and sits in the sewer. Why the hell would Bill hide it there? PlushWilliam is based only on the fact that there is a walkie-talkie next to the Plushbear and that's it.
You know the whole tulpa thing really makes me double think the motto of fazbear ent "Fantasy and Fun come to life" because it might be more literal then I thought
Kind of love the idea that the fear experiments were intended to conjure a being and Shadow Freddy is the result. Would make the FNAF 4 night gameplay SO cool as a narrative experience with that in mind. We're seeing the culmination of all of William's work up to that point.
The real agony was the friends we made along the way
No. The real agony was the theories we made along the way.
GET OUT!
The friends we quite literally conjured into existence lmao
@@lukelcs8934 We made them. Along the way.
@@toivosatela6087 So true, lmao.
Technically, the Shadows are like their Pokémons and William wanna catch ‘em all for control.
Tbf, Tulpa Theory is really interesting and does give a level of detail about the Shadows and especially the odd questions about FNAF 4. Truly an amazing theory and video
Finally someone pointing out that "Agony" is mostly fandom shorthand 🙌 I swear so many people would be less upset or confused with certain parts of the lore if we collectively stopped treating it so weirdly and just said "you know how paranormal stories have emotion haunting things? literally just that".
I like the theory, I'll need to think more on some of the specific suggestions but the idea makes sense, especially for the plush who I've been suggesting something similar about for a while.
Mhm I've been trying to get that across for awhile. Poltergeists come to mind also.
@@Grimkeeper17 wait, poltergeists are emotional hauntings? I always thought it they were just spirits you could never see no matter what...I guess that makes since
@VOgaming51official they are sometimes but not always thought of as manifestations of ones intense emotions and memories imprinting upon something or somewhere but the entity is not the person itself who is causing. It essentially becomes it own amalgamated thing that feeds off chaos it can cause.
It's like a black whole for negative emotion/memory/energy.
I like to use the movie the poltergiest as a general insight as to what might be going on in the world of fnaf. Especially the ball pit of fnaglf reminds me of the closet the poltergiest inhabits within the movie.
There's an old belief that science has slowly been proving and that is everything can hold "memory". water, metal, wood, the dirt of the earth itself can store your dna/memories ect.
@@VOgaming51officialdepends, sometimes a poltergeist can be a physical manifestation of some kids hormones (Scary Stories reference)
There is probably a world where you spin it to explain why Physic Friend Fredbear would be comforting the Crying Child while still keeping William talking through the plushies.
Something along the lines of William originally spoke through the plushies as a way to further control his son, but after awhile the Crying Child had such a strong emotional attachment to it because it was probably his only friend ,next to the other plushies that he owned, that it his emotions and a belief that it was real projected so heavily on to it and caused it to manifest into its own being.
Very well put together video as usual, Sire. I love these sorts of independent theories that break away from the main consensuses and provide unique answers- 14 Theory being another more modern example.
You know, the novels actually have some evidence that support this theory about Agony sometimes mixing with other emotions.
In the Silver Eyes, Marla talks about how memories can linger in places and even flashes of emotions from others affecting different people.
(Pages 75-77 in my copy)
That sounds a lot like how feelings of suffering create Agony which affects/powers entities.
Plus, Taggart did note that other emotions also have power (like an experiment where love created small crystals), but believed that Agony was the strongest.
And you have the implication that novel Charlie was created through Henry pouring his grief and agony into the doll. She didn't have pure suffering put in her, she also had grief and sorrow, which is probably why she is one of the few Agony beings that isn't super hostile.
(Also, the Proto-Baby skeleton was infused with a bunch of anger and was then possessed by Elizabeth, so she is in an entirely different situation)
SHADOW FREDDY IS WILLIAM AFTON'S STAND (Tulpas are very fitting for the alchemy, mysticism, and spirituality of the FNaF series)
It's people like you that keep my interest in these games alive
This could also explain why fnaf 4 ends with night 5, when nightmare shows up at the end of the night. William finally got what he was looking to create.
Huh, I’ve thought about something in a similar vein to this for a while, but I never had the supernatural knowledge to be able to name it. I like that it gives William a reason to start the scientific experiments in the first place and the explanation of the recreation of the Afton house underground. Nice video:)
I 100% agree that tulpas are involved within the FNAF universe. The books and the games specify this concept a LOT and it makes the lore make more cohesive sense than it did before. The whole idea of the nightmare animatronics is a great example of tulpas, being created through emotion that’s so strong that it becomes sentient (mainly nightmare fredbear and nightmare). Shadow Freddy, RWQ, The Yellow Rabbit from Into the pit, Eleanor, Fredbear plush, etc are all examples of what tulpas are in the supernatural.
Sometimes I wonder if golden Freddy could be a tulpa of its own right, not just being possessed. That would make sense on why it’s so different from the other main animatronics and why it appears as a ghostly form that we never see physically. It makes me wonder if golden Freddy itself is created from the vengeful spirit and is their tulpa, along with David/c.c, hence why it acts so different
I think Scott was going in this direction and there’s a lot of evidence for it
Just to get clarification on this since I barely know anything about tulpas, but those are the entities that are created from intense emotions and thoughts (mainly fear from what I recall about one comment that explained what tulpas are in mythology/folklore) if I remember correctly, right?
@ Tulpas originate from Tibetan Buddhism, which is a thought or emotion created from intense spiritual practice and concentration, mainly through meditation and visualization. So it can be anything, not just fear in that context. In Buddhism, this term is known as Nirmita, which translates to trulpa, meaning “magical creation, emanation (Nirmita), phantom; divinely emanated artisan, apparitional, manifestation, magically created appearance, etc etc”
Nowadays, Tulpas have become what we know as from the fnaf theory. They stem from beliefs of what we call tulpamancers, who believe that Tulpas are sentient and independent beings created from imagination (any thought or emotion in this case). To them, it’s a psychological concept, not a paranormal one, which makes sense as well imo. This is interesting because they believe Tulpas are imaginary friends, like how the psychic friend fredbear is c.c/David’s imaginary friend in this case. Imagination appears to be related to thoughts and emotion manifested, especially for fnaf due to the concept of agony and remnant.
@@phantommoon11 Ah understood. Thanks for clarifying. ^^
@ of course! Not a problem!
14:49 I still believe Cassidy plush alter m to me it just explains so much about fnaf 4 and all of it's weird details like why tiny toy chica is missing her, why mangle is there, why William is purple and why the plush is so supernatural (i mean tulpa theory also explains it, but IMO Cassidy plush alter m makes more sense).
Also it's a pretty cool idea.
After the stand comment and abit too much thinking, I find it eerie how much this would make for a very cursed Pokemon game plot. . .anyways
I think you hit the nail on the head with this, and frankly it makes sense that they'd branch out moree into actually non corporeal supernatural entiies. Imagine what hey can do with future games if they lean into it - creatures of the night less substancee and more emotion, less animatronic more what they are imagined to be. . .
YES! I've always said the Shadows were more like Tulpas than anything else! Finally someone's with me.
I love Tulpas as a concept and knew FNAF had some similarities so it's cool to see this video expand on it
Videos like this are why you're my favorite weird bird thing.
As a Twin Peaks fan had to click the video with tulpa in title.
Does the agony of me stubbing my toe Count for this
I imagine it'd be like a spark of agony in that case...not enough to to create some agony entity
@ But what if I stubbed my toe like 100 times in a row Would that count?
@@apineapple3177that's too much agony, that would destroy a city block
risk of rain 2 (the song) was not something i thought i would hear in a fnaf video but damn it was good hearing it.
we're going full tiger123 with this one
What💀
Does agony always have to be evil? Agony could just bring things to life, but they have their own free will and values
We really don't have a confirmed instance of "Agony" being anything other than corruption. Like they're responsive to whatever emotions created them- and for Andrew and most of his "Agony" creations that was lashing out. He didn't even want to hurt people other than Afton- but all of the infected things did anyways. Plushtrap Chaser, Ella, Step Closer Foxy, Fetch, the Pit Keeper, and Eleanor- pretty much all characters that have reason to be deemed "Agony" beings all act violent or destructive ultimately.
In the novels- while it isn't called "Agony" by name- it's described how even before Charliebot 4/Baby was possessed, she was corrupted and hateful because of how Henry lashed out at his creation in frustration and self-loathing- which *might* be why she killed Elizabeth (that's really unclear in the original novel though). Something similar happens when Edwin tries to destroy the original Mimic when David dies- it's described as being filled with his hatred and sorrow- and only after that point does it attack people.
The only frights and tales monsters that aren't cleanly portrayed as monsters for the sake of being monsters are ones we don't have confirmed origins for- like Coils the clown. For all we know they aren't agony characters and even then their motives are almost never explained.
@ Maybe it depends on how the agony was presented. Maybe of it’s fear and remorse, it gives objects a sense of morality, kinda like the Charliebots, cause we know Henry cried his agony into the Ella doll, which gave the bots humanity.
You have to have free will to be evil in the first place or else it’s not really good or evil it’s just nature. Like we don’t call animals that eat people evil they don’t really know better
I think Tulpas are such a cool idea in general and think it fits well in the FNAF universe!
Duuuude… THIS is the kinds theorizing we need right now. While I enjoy the macro theorizing, the micro theories like these are what gives Fnaf so much depth. Another classic from Squawks.
"tulpa" oh this video is gonna give ME agony
I’m just borrowing the word because it explains the idea quickly.
This video was so good, Squawks, but as I watched it, my brain could only think, "Dave really just went and "Daniel, The Cooler Daniel" William with Glitchbear". Sorry the idea has bewitched me, it's all parts disturbing and heartwarming (Michael and Glitchbear more like. Guy and the replacement father figure tulpa thing his brother made ft Cassidy as spectator), and with a great potential for comedy, I will think about it for weeks to come, I am sorry again, real good video! I am going back to sleep now.
In the FNaF 1-4 storyline without the Nightmare Experiments and stuff, how does Mike's experiences create Shadow Freddy? Since S. Freddy appears in FNaF 2 and Mike starts his journey FNaF 1, which is after 2, as well the Nightmares happening post-1 because of the reverse Phone Guy call. Does his overall guilt or something create it?
I'm not convinced it's intended, but I love the concept!
Very cool, very interesting, very unique!
This franchise needs a reboot bruh, wtf is agony?
Agony has been a thing for a couple years now, basically negative emotions can affect the real world. It basically explains haunted houses and demons and stuff like that
It's pain
Genuinely, don't listen to anyone else. It's the emotion of pain.
And in FNaF, emotions have slow but passive effects on everything around them.
There, done, no 15 minute video needed
@@CottonArsonist It's not just pain..The book that actually talks about it states ANY emotions work, just that some are stronger than others when it comes to result; with AGONY being the strongest emotion that causes the most paranormal effects (agony can be either pain, or extreme sadness/mourning..aka emotional/mental pain).
I love this concept. I think I´m convinced.
One thing i always question is what happened to the night security guards after they get killed by the animatronics like do the spare parts where they're bodies was stuffed in are also possessed or what?
"My stand, Golden Freddy Requiem, has no weakn-" *CHOMP*
I have a physical reaction in my gut to reading that word
Interesting concept and something to work with.
This is generally how I've veiwed it.
i do like the consistent tcg plug and using them as the visuals. got me to search it up and find the game
Whay if CC saw rhe mimic? He's a kid in 83 so maybe he was old enough in 79 to remember the mimic. It would explain why he's specifically afraid of the suits/animatronics and not the characters themselves. It's because he saw something evil as the costumes themselves. Idk, just an interesting thought
Scott said he just saw something that was misunderstood in the shadows. There's literally no misunderstanding about CC's fear if it was the Mimic since that would justify his phobia of animatronics as that thing would've been a legitimate threat to his life.
Thanks for clarrifying what Agony is to people. Its literally just the concept of "Objects being in the neae proximity of a ghost can display weird behaviors". Its not necessarily the ghosts directly controlling something, its literally just objects reacting to being near a ghost.
Like... every paranormal story has this concept. Scott Cawthons just using his own term to explain it.
Remnant is literally just what you would describe as the object the ghost is inhabiting. The endoskeletons in the original 4 are Remnant because they have ghosts in them.
Remnant doesn't exactly require the ghosts to be near or in them. It's more akin to hauntings caused by pure emotion! Which is technically a thing in the irl ghost scene..with certain types of ghosts not actually being the person, the soul, it's just their strong emotions taking physical form effecting objects around or even just replaying events like walking in the same place everyday at the same time; remnant is like this..not necessarily NEEDING to be the soul itself or have a soul around..just STRONG emotions.
This is one of those theories where I don't think it's canon but I would love it to be. It would make things so much more simple, but I'd need to see at least one or two more strong evidence to sway me that way. Right now, there's a lot of good secondary evidence but not much primary evidence. It's a great theory though!
I like the Theory
but I find the name weird as Tulpas are real.(but also remnants and agony are real to)
ps:like that night mare is a side villain here, like the living embodiment of mikel´s grief that fallows hem.
not apart of the theroy but I belive that mikel also faces nightmare inbetween fnaf 3 and 6.
I vibe with it honestly though I think Scott wouldn’t do this
echo vn reference?
Bro never makes a bad video.
So... a tulpa is the manifestation of an idea if I'm getting this right
Yeah pretty much
Unrelated but can someone tell me the method of getting Cassidy's name in the logbook?
Could you donate video on Balloon Boy? He's such a strange character, he might be haunted yet there's no obvious explanation for thst and he doesn't kill you, just steals your batteries.
I get it could just be gameplay not mstchingbup great to story but he just never quite fit to me
when it's a strong emotion becoming a person or taking on a life of its own that's more of a japanese oni and i think of agony beings more like these oni that take on a life of their own..
2:13 what if the ballons or party hats or whatever they get when they died what if the color that determans what emotion they died giving out (ex) red-anger purple-love yellow-hate blue-agony
Whats your opinion in talesgames?
But isnt ShadowFreddy already there in the Fnaf 4 Minigames?
I’m not 100% following, but I will say that something under William’s control setting up happiest day almost makes sense to me. The spirits still being there is what killed William. These spirits want William gone. Putting them to rest keeps William safe.
Except his whole goal is experimenting on them. Why set something free that you want more of? Even in 6 he is continually fascinated by their ever changing existence. His life’s work is tied to them still existing.
Not unlike the Psychic Friend Fredbear part of John FuhNaff's recent FNaF timeline. I thought it was really persuasive there, and having someone independently (?) come to the sam conclusion really lends support to it being supported by the evidence.
I haven't seen John's video yet so yeah this was made in a vacuum
Shadow Bonnie is DCI agony, Shadow Freddy is MCI agony? Is that why SF is Withered Freddy (original location) and SB is Toy Bonnie (new location)?
I didn't argue that second one.
@ that’s just me theorizing. Fun idea.
RAAAAH TULPA MENTION!!! 🗣️🗣️‼️WHO THE HELL IS LILA???
Maybe the same counts for Nightmarionne if its actually real
Hey Sire, unrelated, but I was looking at your digital Foxy grid and I was wondering if the red traces at the vertical 15 are there because there is a very faded 15 or it's just a mistake?
Yall finally caught up with this?
I disagree that the Fredbear Plush wants to scare CC. I think more than anything, CC wanted someone to not only protect him but to SEE him. Someone who wouldn’t bully him or call him crazy for his fears. When Fredbear Plush says things like “you know what will happen if he catches you,” that’s it acknowledging CC’s fears in the way CC always wanted.
I more meant "He hates you"
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I think that also fits my interpretation. Mike bullies CC relentlessly. From CC’s perspective, Mike *does* hate him. He just wants to hear someone else say that.
@@thekingslayer2178 I don't disagree- I just wanted to mention the line I was referring to. While it isn't completely out of malice I think- he is feeding into the fears some.
It just seems Scott is just making up his own mythos for his series as he goes.
Also I'd like to point out since Scott is a Christian, everything around souls/spirits mostly related to the Christian understanding of them.
Tulpas as a concept have their origins in Buddhism, not Christianity.
I'm really just borrowing the word used in popculture for this- not the literal Buddhist concept. Considering this is an expansion of stated concepts in the series he made- this isn't that crazy of a concept.
@@siresquawks Oh, I get what you mean
Fun fact tulpas and thoughtforms are a kind of plurality similar (but different) to dissociative identity disorder. I’m not a huge fan of this theory though as I’m personally pretty sick of people relating plurality to horror, possession or violent beings. It’s a huge trope that causes a lot of stigma to people like me who are plural
I don't see the correlation between DID and an imaginary friend
You can have imaginary friends or create imaginary beings without having DID...tulpas are something that have existed as a concept for a LONG time! It has nothing to do with DID, no relation, don't know how it'd cause negative stigma for those with DID as no one links the 2 besides you (never heard anyone link it, barely even know anyone who knows what tulpas are/have heard of them! lol). Tulpas aren't inherently evil either btw
I mean..having an imaginary friend as a kid is normal, and most kids do not have DID.
Haven’t watched yet.
Tulpa?
Tul pa???
Tul… pa… tullll…par??
Mouthwashing irrefutably mentioned
Mouthwashing mentioned🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️
There’s a fnaf card game!?
A fan card game I made. We play it on my discord.
my tulpa itch
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Golden freedy
Hmmm interesting🧐
A big counter argument with the Fredbear plush being a tulpa is why don’t CC’s other plushies act this way? Why doesn’t Charlie’s plushies in the novel trilogy act this way? Charlies toy Ella should be the most reactive out of any of them because Henry cried into it and stuff. I don’t think there’s any evidence that Tulpas exist in the FNAF universe imo
I think what happened is Fredbear was just supposed to be CC’s imaginary friend and SL retconned it to being William as the Fredbear plush being an imaginary friend could support dream theory which Scott was trying to deconfirm with SL & FNAF WORLD.
He might've been the plush with him at the time- hence the only one infected or just his favorite.
@@siresquawksMaybe he could be his favorite plush. I’m unsure of that however as CC only comments on the main four Freddy character plushies being “his friends.” Actually now that I think of it CC never mentions or comments on the Fredbear plush at all.
Isn't Novel Charlie herself a kind of Tulpa?
Theodore guides John and Jessica to Charlie in TFC: "Shining Star, Silver Reef." As for Ella, she DID create something like that-Charlie herself.
Plushbear literally teleports in the game and sits in the sewer. Why the hell would Bill hide it there? PlushWilliam is based only on the fact that there is a walkie-talkie next to the Plushbear and that's it.