Typhon has definitely higher dps, but her slower attack speed makes large hordes of smaller enemies difficult. Thorns has lower dps, but faster skill proc, and the defence and the block in being a guard is also a game changer. Depends of what you’re looking for, really. If you use them both, everything will just melt. I feel like using thorns, fiametta, and typhon togehter in an annihalation will be amazing.
Thorns being faster to charge is reliant on him attacking enemies 100% of the time. In many maps he’ll probably be 30+ seconds behind Typhon for 2nd activation. Granted this still doesn’t change the fact that Thorns has the inherent upsides of doing this as a guard. Imo Thorns feels like he’s in the middle ground for infinite physical skills now with good sustain, block, and ranged dmg but falling far behind Typhon for ranged damage and Chongyue for ground and AoE. The latter two trading survivability for the best constant damage that even works against high defensive
Typhoon is amazing dps-wise and for boss killing, meanwhile thorns is amazing for crowds of smaller enemies with low- medium high defense. I really don't think any is better because it's like asking ketchup or chocolate sauce. Different sauces, different places of use.
@@404User-Not-Foundin practice yes, in use no. Thorns uptime is only better if you have a high heath, high def enemy he can constantly attack. Or a constant unending wave of enemies. (Not gonna count stainless cuz not everyone has him) In most stages, there’s going to be at the very least, a small gap between enemies meaning in actual use Typhon will beat him out.
It looks like you are trading block and healing (plus I think a lower dp cost?) to have wider range and better damage versus the bigger targets. Anything thorns can one shot though he's better against. Not too bad really. I was worried she would be really op but it looks like it's fairly well balanced. Good job HG for once the balance team didn't screw up.
Not really. As long as they don't come in frequent batches, she can kill enemies before they even come into the range he can kill them at. It's only when the enemies are in a constant stream that she starts lagging behind. Most maps however have smaller waves that she will easily keep up with, and the fact that she won't start being overwhelmed when a heavy tank decides to mix in makes her generally more commonly 'on top'. That...and the fact that her skill charges with time, not attacks. Though she does trade block, that's true.
쏜즈 : 자힐, 아무튼 2저지, 빠른 공속, 특정 적에 대해 효과적인 도트딜 ㄴ 덱 압축 능력에서 근소우위, 방어력과 체력이 높지 않은 다수의 적 상대로 더 효과적임 (원석충 러쉬 등) ㄴ 대신 서포트가 없으면 방어력 영향을 많이 받고 체력이 많은 적이 섞인 러쉬에서 웨이브 처리가 느림. 예열도 느린 편. 티폰 : 더 넓고 긴 사거리, 멀티샷, 방관, 좀 더 빠른 자동회복 예열, 확률 스턴까지 달려있음 ㄴ 예열 보조도 쉽게 받고, 커버하는 범위도 넓으며 강한 단타딜에 방관까지 달려 처리할 수 있는 상한선이 높음. ㄴ 단, 사거리에 맞게 저지할 지상오퍼의 보조와 메딕의 보조가 필요하고, 다수의 적이 몰려오는 웨이브에선 느린 공속과 근거리 공격 불가라는 점이 합쳐져 저지선이 두껍지 않다면 의외로 뚫림. 결론 : 둘 다 쓰면 됨
also having more ops as lane holder are nice too and so far there are only few lane holder on AK like thorns, blaze, mountain, mudrock, penance, 3 AH (excluding guard skadi and andreana) and estelle. although keep in mind that on normal gameplay (without mumu glitch) tyhpon wont be able to replace thorns when it come to Invincible enemies since she cant block them like thorns unless we added another ops as support/blocking.
yeah, theyre both cornerstone unit with similar purpose, high reach afk skill phys dps units if we're comparing mountain and typhon now thats a stretch
Knowing how strong Thorn is, that mean Typhon is strong enough to be compared with him ... Which mean she's worth to pull and upgrade ... Just like Eyja and GG back then ... Thanks for people comparing GG with Eyja, I can learn how good GG is ...
I don't see the problem, USE BOTH! if you are comparing use x times abilities to permanent then how about include Chongyue, 5 times and hes basically a permanent buff.
waiting for comments like: "Thorns is better bc...", "Typhon is better bc...", "This comparison makes no sense...", "They are different classes that fit different roles...", etc.
Mountain and another real lane holder : am i joke to you? Man, thorn is an balance ops who can hold and deal ranged dps, but it can't change the real lane holder etc
@@Casuruyes he can, with his high def and survivability where he can generate hp when not attacking are alone make him a great lane holder, and on top of that he can killed drone where the most of lane holder just straight up only became "ground" lane holder
@@dearyl1144, hes not enough for majority of endgame content, he just dies too quickly even before he can activite his skill, like chapter 11 was a nightmare for thorns bruh he can't even deal with a dog anymore
It's so stupid to compare operators in different classes, with completely different abilities, and for completely different purposes. Typhon vs Rosa (with module) when?
no, thorns has not been powercrept. in fact, its not fair to compare operators cross class as they both fill different niches and roles. just because typhon s2 is infinite duration doesnt mean its a fair comparison with thorns s3. if you absolutely must compare typhon with someone, rosa is a more sensible comparison since they both fill similar roles with damage and cc on their skill 3, and that can be summarized to rosa has damage and consistent cc while Typhon has range
Skill 3 of Rosa can't be compared to any skill of Typhon, but you can compare both of their S2. Benchmarking infinite afk dps skills is fair even if it is cross class though, and this video clearly shows some weaknesses of both Thorns and Typhon, which means it shows you when you should bring one over the other if it is not possible to bring both. Typhon has the CC and the oonga boonga damage, but she has plenty of other weaknesses as you can see.
Man I don't want to be rude but this is just a dumb Comparison to me, If it's about Infinite Duration, why don't you add Blaze as well, or maybe GoldenGlow for Ranged Infinite Duration as well... They literally 2 different Class and they both worked different as well and you try to make a comparison to both ? Just why ?
They both have different roles, I'd use both cuz I think they make good dual. Thorn being thorn, clearing ads while blocking, typhon targets heavy and beefy elites so they can't reach thorn (or DELETE bosses if you use S3) while having a huge range for more creative/easy positioning.
I'd pick typhon but I also feel a bit annoyed seeing her on the ground tiles :P I have my doubts that glitch will exist in EN lolol. Curious how a possible Thorns module would affect this. Hopefully the lord modules end up being interesting when they release.
@@bucketofoddities7070ive seen Chongyue, Thorn, Blaze, Mountain in 1 video. They compare who is the best lane holder. Of course Chongyue win but if there is flying unit. Thorn will hit it.
seeing this, i wanna get typhon as both of them kinda complement each other's strengths while covering for each other's weaknesses both are AFK ops, while typhon has higher damage it can be overkill for peons, which thorns takes care of with ease. the latter cannot take care of elites/bosses so typhon is there to wear them down for the former to focus on the smaller mobs.
Thorns's Lane Holder capability is faraway from Typhon with a considerable range, consistent mid damage and amazing solo capability But versatility ain't play normally. Typhon can destroy any medium-frontliner unit, overtime and with a doubletap AX-50, she ain't weak at all. If you don't have Thorns, she already good enough to replace. Both can go with an Block-3 unit and the whole lane is fine tho
@@lloleolomThe glitch has been around for a while now, plus HG doesn’t seem like the type of company to ban for gameplay glitches (to my recollection).
Dont forget that both of them not only are different classes but also different Archetypes with Different roles to play comparing them is not doing anything here 1 is for ranged tile high defense shredding the other is for low-mid defense ground tile guard Thorn makes up for being a high dmg self sustain guard with some arts dmg Dot on his bonus dmg while typhon is meant to shred high defense enemys that could be a problem, before they arrive at your frontline please dont take a video like this to start a debate on who is better they do different things
so typhoon takes care when the wave are compromised by heavy enemies but thorn is when there are more weaker enemies. stilll pullin tho cuz she cute af.
Ah, so she is better than thorn i see. Still, kinda weird you choose to compared a besieger to a lord. I supposed she now will filled the role of a laneholder.
She's not even that great of a laneholder. She just conveniently fits it cuz infinite skill duration s2. Shes better off deleting constant stream of high def units than thorns, if its unit bum rush, thorns is better. But 90% of the time just use mountain lol.
I disagree she is better. She doesn't have any block or healing and I think a higher dp cost so she can't be used as an opener on a stage like thorns can. She also can hit anything right next to her so positioning her could be a bit awkward. Also Thorns performed better against the swarm of light mobs. In the end it looks like Thorns is good to deploy early on and he may fall off later but you can deploy Typhon later to cover for that. They have opposite strengths and weaknesses and I think it's a well balanced unit in this regard.
It's safe to say that Typhon powercreeped Rosa. Typhon is just way better and it's not even close. It's like how Texalter and Yalter powercreeped Phantom.
She's not powercreeping Poca actually Poca still has higher overall damage thanks to her broken module( 115% damage to heavy enemies, 60% permanen bonus damage ) Also she ignore 60% defense by default
@@k_a4685 Her module is great. I did notice Rosa base attack does slightly more than Typhon's, but that was off-skill and seemed negligible. What does the overall damage look like? I can imagine permanent skill uptime would eventually give Typhon the edge? Not to mention she has small stuns which can be useful. I haven't really seen any numbers yet though. Doesn't Rosa only ignore defence on heavy enemies? I also wonder what if there is only one target, Typhon will start double tapping that target with her S2.
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appreciate asking her to come down to the low ground for a 1:1 comparison
@@draachen vinland saga
With a great boss-killing S3 and a fantastic infinite afk S2, I'm really looking forawrd to getting Typhon on global.
I don't think he is a guard, he is absolutely a sniper marksman
Typhon has definitely higher dps, but her slower attack speed makes large hordes of smaller enemies difficult. Thorns has lower dps, but faster skill proc, and the defence and the block in being a guard is also a game changer. Depends of what you’re looking for, really. If you use them both, everything will just melt. I feel like using thorns, fiametta, and typhon togehter in an annihalation will be amazing.
Thorns being faster to charge is reliant on him attacking enemies 100% of the time. In many maps he’ll probably be 30+ seconds behind Typhon for 2nd activation. Granted this still doesn’t change the fact that Thorns has the inherent upsides of doing this as a guard.
Imo Thorns feels like he’s in the middle ground for infinite physical skills now with good sustain, block, and ranged dmg but falling far behind Typhon for ranged damage and Chongyue for ground and AoE. The latter two trading survivability for the best constant damage that even works against high defensive
I mean those are basically their jobs, what do you exoect lol
But She hit two
Why Fia? I don't have her
@@tailoe6451s3
Typhoon is amazing dps-wise and for boss killing, meanwhile thorns is amazing for crowds of smaller enemies with low- medium high defense. I really don't think any is better because it's like asking ketchup or chocolate sauce. Different sauces, different places of use.
Exactly. Typhoon can't do shit againts horde of small enemies with her aspd. While Thorns easily can fall apart when taking bosses
I'd say both have pretty different jobs but yeah typhon just simply have more dps
Just because she have ignore def
@@sorashizen5130imagine if thorn ignore def
@@ashnguyen2950
He kinda does, but not like the shredding kind
@@Zack_Zander He doesnt
He just deals slight arts damage
@@kyarumomochi5146
Which is what I mean “kinda” since Arts ignores DEF
Thorns: i can't believe i got powercrept by some mytholigical creature with better dps and better uptime
SilverAsh: you too huh
Nah, no powercreep here. Typhon not good on every map
Mlynar is a mythological creature confirmed. The mighty god of newspapers. The lord of schwing schwing. The deity of war horses.
@@Khroniclasi mean pegasus
Isn't uptime the same for both Typhon and Thorns tho?
@@404User-Not-Foundin practice yes, in use no. Thorns uptime is only better if you have a high heath, high def enemy he can constantly attack. Or a constant unending wave of enemies. (Not gonna count stainless cuz not everyone has him)
In most stages, there’s going to be at the very least, a small gap between enemies meaning in actual use Typhon will beat him out.
Simple solution:JUST USE BOTH
Are Typhon's shots during skill considered as a spin?
She does spin in a way, but not really does she spin.
ranged op in ground tile and ground op in ranged tile... this is cursed
It looks like you are trading block and healing (plus I think a lower dp cost?) to have wider range and better damage versus the bigger targets. Anything thorns can one shot though he's better against. Not too bad really. I was worried she would be really op but it looks like it's fairly well balanced. Good job HG for once the balance team didn't screw up.
Not really. As long as they don't come in frequent batches, she can kill enemies before they even come into the range he can kill them at. It's only when the enemies are in a constant stream that she starts lagging behind.
Most maps however have smaller waves that she will easily keep up with, and the fact that she won't start being overwhelmed when a heavy tank decides to mix in makes her generally more commonly 'on top'. That...and the fact that her skill charges with time, not attacks.
Though she does trade block, that's true.
i didnt know ines skill revealed camo that’s awesome
The closeup at 1:25 was funny. Like how could you even miss that in the zoomed out view when the Thorns damage is not even noticeable on Patriot lol.
쏜즈 : 자힐, 아무튼 2저지, 빠른 공속, 특정 적에 대해 효과적인 도트딜
ㄴ 덱 압축 능력에서 근소우위, 방어력과 체력이 높지 않은 다수의 적 상대로 더 효과적임 (원석충 러쉬 등)
ㄴ 대신 서포트가 없으면 방어력 영향을 많이 받고 체력이 많은 적이 섞인 러쉬에서 웨이브 처리가 느림. 예열도 느린 편.
티폰 : 더 넓고 긴 사거리, 멀티샷, 방관, 좀 더 빠른 자동회복 예열, 확률 스턴까지 달려있음
ㄴ 예열 보조도 쉽게 받고, 커버하는 범위도 넓으며 강한 단타딜에 방관까지 달려 처리할 수 있는 상한선이 높음.
ㄴ 단, 사거리에 맞게 저지할 지상오퍼의 보조와 메딕의 보조가 필요하고, 다수의 적이 몰려오는 웨이브에선 느린 공속과 근거리 공격 불가라는 점이 합쳐져 저지선이 두껍지 않다면 의외로 뚫림.
결론 : 둘 다 쓰면 됨
how typhon again toward those tanky enemy?
ignore defense? true damage? or bonus scale with enemy stats
they're both good at their own field. I dont know what this comparison is about
Infinite duration dps ofc.
First: nice video. Second: Why? Are people comparing both of them?
Because afknights
also having more ops as lane holder are nice too and so far there are only few lane holder on AK like thorns, blaze, mountain, mudrock, penance, 3 AH (excluding guard skadi and andreana) and estelle.
although keep in mind that on normal gameplay (without mumu glitch) tyhpon wont be able to replace thorns when it come to Invincible enemies since she cant block them like thorns unless we added another ops as support/blocking.
yeah, theyre both cornerstone unit with similar purpose, high reach afk skill phys dps units
if we're comparing mountain and typhon now thats a stretch
Appearantly since both of them have infinite skill. Kinda weird but still, what makes people happy
Knowing how strong Thorn is, that mean Typhon is strong enough to be compared with him ...
Which mean she's worth to pull and upgrade ...
Just like Eyja and GG back then ...
Thanks for people comparing GG with Eyja, I can learn how good GG is ...
what’s that skin on guard amiya
i almost thought that you can deploy her on ground tiles
Gotta need to wait for lord module to make it even, chief
so nobody's gonna ask how they put thorns in a range tile on the patriot clip?
or how ptilopsis is healing both on the third clip without skill, i dont question it though, fun to watch!
@@anzumisho7779 ptilo module lv 1 adds that one extra tile to her base range
how did u deploy Thorns on ranged tile?
how did u deploy them in different tiles lol is this a muelsyse moment?
I don't see the problem, USE BOTH!
if you are comparing use x times abilities to permanent then how about include Chongyue, 5 times and hes basically a permanent buff.
Chongyue doesn't hit aerial, but if you're talking about ground enemies only then he'll shred them in the loudest way possible
waiting for comments like: "Thorns is better bc...", "Typhon is better bc...", "This comparison makes no sense...", "They are different classes that fit different roles...", etc.
the comparison does make no sense tho, they serve entirely different purpose xd
Typhon is better bc she is female no doubt
I mean those comments make sense.
Different roles ? ...
I though they both are gonna get the "laneholder" role, are they not ? ...
You may as well have just stopped at "waiting for comments" cause wtf else is anyone going to say lmao
I'm confused, does typhon(she?) have a trait that allows them to be placed on any tile? I'm seeing a lot of that.
mumu bug
@@trihexa3024 Ahhh. I should have known. Thank you.
@@trihexa3024mumu player you mean?
@@mykuronekocantbethiscute I mean the operator muelsyse
Thorns can't be compared like this , he more like a tanky lane holder , typhoon damage just too much to compare
Mountain and another real lane holder : am i joke to you?
Man, thorn is an balance ops who can hold and deal ranged dps, but it can't change the real lane holder etc
@@Casuruyes he can, with his high def and survivability where he can generate hp when not attacking are alone make him a great lane holder, and on top of that he can killed drone where the most of lane holder just straight up only became "ground" lane holder
@@dearyl1144, hes not enough for majority of endgame content, he just dies too quickly even before he can activite his skill, like chapter 11 was a nightmare for thorns bruh he can't even deal with a dog anymore
@@kiuhh1118I always put Thirns behind my landholder because he dies too quickly in Ch.11/CC#10
@dearyl1144 mountain most of the time isn't good enough
how does Sciel lately put ground ops on high tile liek it is nothing, yesterday i saw Heavyrain now Thorns on normal stories..
It's so stupid to compare operators in different classes, with completely different abilities, and for completely different purposes.
Typhon vs Rosa (with module) when?
For fun
전반적으로 티폰이 더 전천후 물리딜러 같음 방관, 멀티샷, 스턴+슬로우가 너무 강력함
쏜즈는 2재능으로 홀로 라인 틀어막기가 되니까 차별화해서 계속 사용하지 않을까 싶음
이게 딱 맞는거 같네요
Damn, ngl Thorns still being my favorite waifu & sniper operator.
Thorns has the spinning around him, he wins.
Can you compare her with poca?
쏜즈는 오늘도 춤을 춘다
How many blocks Typhon has? Also does she already have skin?
Wait why Thorns on ranged tile and sniper on low ground?
probably muelsyse and some map conditions
오늘도 쏜즈는 열심히 춤을 춘다
Wait... You can deploy Typhon on ground tile? Huuh?
언덕에 올리거나 지상에 내린건 뮤엘시스 쓴거에요?
Great consistent damage, great boss killing potential and fun archetype. Must pull for me.
Typhon doing kyudo is pretty tight.
now she gonna be TOP pick meta build any team combo dam she gonna eat my team slot forever like taxe balan lamo
이거 뮤뮤 오퍼 복사해서 한거예요?? 어떻게 했어요?
Is she going to be a limited operator?
뭔가 보다가 중간에 볼수없다며 끊겼던거 같은 기분이다
safe to say if theyre both holding 1 lane nothing is living unless its invisible lol?
But Thorn can hit it when he blocked invis enemy
@@foreheadayaya8390XD
I never thought even mlynar would someday be powercreeped by other operators
no, thorns has not been powercrept. in fact, its not fair to compare operators cross class as they both fill different niches and roles. just because typhon s2 is infinite duration doesnt mean its a fair comparison with thorns s3. if you absolutely must compare typhon with someone, rosa is a more sensible comparison since they both fill similar roles with damage and cc on their skill 3, and that can be summarized to rosa has damage and consistent cc while Typhon has range
U just don't understand the context, it's testing AFK skill, end of discussion
Skill 3 of Rosa can't be compared to any skill of Typhon, but you can compare both of their S2.
Benchmarking infinite afk dps skills is fair even if it is cross class though, and this video clearly shows some weaknesses of both Thorns and Typhon, which means it shows you when you should bring one over the other if it is not possible to bring both.
Typhon has the CC and the oonga boonga damage, but she has plenty of other weaknesses as you can see.
@@manyblock4192 yes yes because damage is the only thing that matters in arknights :)
@@velionya If the context is afk, then yes, dps while being comatose is the only thing you really consider about on the damage side of things.
What is that turret
Man I don't want to be rude but this is just a dumb Comparison to me, If it's about Infinite Duration, why don't you add Blaze as well, or maybe GoldenGlow for Ranged Infinite Duration as well... They literally 2 different Class and they both worked different as well and you try to make a comparison to both ? Just why ?
They both have different roles, I'd use both cuz I think they make good dual. Thorn being thorn, clearing ads while blocking, typhon targets heavy and beefy elites so they can't reach thorn (or DELETE bosses if you use S3) while having a huge range for more creative/easy positioning.
So from what i got from this video, just use both. Ok.
Really fucking hate yostar for bandaid patching the pause trick on global, we won't get to use the mumu glitch because of this
I'd pick typhon but I also feel a bit annoyed seeing her on the ground tiles :P I have my doubts that glitch will exist in EN lolol. Curious how a possible Thorns module would affect this. Hopefully the lord modules end up being interesting when they release.
to be fair with her range she will be able to hit enemies in basically the same spot whether shes on a range or ground tile
the glitch requires pause deploy so no
Now thats why i want saria
Don't forget about the fact that Typhoon is this video has her mod while Thorns doesn't have any modules released yet.
저렇게 딜이 잘나오는 데 기절이랑 다연타면 안뽑고 어케버팀?
5:00 LETS GOOO
They dont even have the same archetypes lmfaaaao
Whats next, rangers versus surtr?
Now imagine buffing her or giving her aspd in IS mode
use her in sss with 3 or more sniper buff
Caster buff is king.
Ak player try not to compare 2 OP that have inf duration skill challenge(impossible)
At least Chongyue didn't get brought into this mess (he also has an infinite duration skill)
What can I say, people will want to benchmark things. It's completely fair.
@@bucketofoddities7070ive seen Chongyue, Thorn, Blaze, Mountain in 1 video. They compare who is the best lane holder. Of course Chongyue win but if there is flying unit. Thorn will hit it.
thorn self regen
seeing this, i wanna get typhon as both of them kinda complement each other's strengths while covering for each other's weaknesses
both are AFK ops, while typhon has higher damage it can be overkill for peons, which thorns takes care of with ease. the latter cannot take care of elites/bosses so typhon is there to wear them down for the former to focus on the smaller mobs.
use both and gg, no need for any other op
Ok but the fact that Thorns can keep up with a defense ignoring multi-target unit speaks a ton for how good he is
아 로드 모듈 언제 나오냐고!
Just use them both
Thorns's Lane Holder capability is faraway from Typhon with a considerable range, consistent mid damage and amazing solo capability
But versatility ain't play normally. Typhon can destroy any medium-frontliner unit, overtime and with a doubletap AX-50, she ain't weak at all. If you don't have Thorns, she already good enough to replace.
Both can go with an Block-3 unit and the whole lane is fine tho
nice
저거 어떡해 밑에다가 두는거죠 버그인가?
That spin is the thing i want rn(after Skadi’s altar)
how can Typhon be placed on low ground tiles?
Muelsyse Glitch
@@draachen nope, its mumu glitch
I'm surprised they don't get banned for this.
@@lloleolomThe glitch has been around for a while now, plus HG doesn’t seem like the type of company to ban for gameplay glitches (to my recollection).
@@lloleolom if that were the case then they wouldn't have exist after the "deploy ops during pause" controversy
Well you already know the answer when you are comparing 2 operators, "JUST USE BOTH!"
아무튼 로드 모듈 '줘'의 시점이 왔습니다
은재 재배치쿨 -20% 가즈아아아ㅏㅏㅏ
Stainless better
예열이 거의 비슷한데 딜량 차이가ㅋㅋㅋ
쏜즈는 원거리 가드라는 점으로 써야지 뭐ㅋㅋ
비슷한것도아님 쏜즈가 안쉬고때린거라
아직 쏜즈는 모듈 남아있고, 티폰은 딜이 쎄지만 결국 저지 못틀어막는 언덕배치니까 차별점은 있을듯
“Just Use Both”
백 머 특토 특사스 무에나 수비알 힐리드 보카디 쏜즈 티폰... 이야 이래도 두 자리가 남네?
Dont forget that both of them not only are different classes but also different Archetypes with Different roles to play
comparing them is not doing anything here
1 is for ranged tile high defense shredding
the other is for low-mid defense ground tile guard
Thorn makes up for being a high dmg self sustain guard with some arts dmg Dot on his bonus dmg
while typhon is meant to shred high defense enemys that could be a problem, before they arrive at your frontline
please dont take a video like this to start a debate on who is better
they do different things
When tyhpon ready in global server?
Now a few days ago
I know where my future pulls will go ...
thorns havent got his module yet.. and why are we comparing again?
Two characters with infinite duration on 2nd activate = nueron activation
Because end game players are bored and have nothing to do :/
결론은 둘다쓰면된다!
so typhoon takes care when the wave are compromised by heavy enemies but thorn is when there are more weaker enemies. stilll pullin tho cuz she cute af.
Wait you can put thorns on high ground?!!
利用了缪尔塞斯的bug
god do I really have to roll for her
Just use both
Comparing a sniper to a guard ,is basically, why use typhon when you can kill everyone using virtuosa
How thorns on hg ????????😅
Not another chongyue mountain situation
단일전은 방깎때문에 쏜즈가 명함도 못 내미네요...
Friendship ended with Thorns..
Her animation is cool
Ah, so she is better than thorn i see.
Still, kinda weird you choose to compared a besieger to a lord. I supposed she now will filled the role of a laneholder.
It's just the high DPS afk options, S2 ain't even her main skill anyway
She's not even that great of a laneholder. She just conveniently fits it cuz infinite skill duration s2. Shes better off deleting constant stream of high def units than thorns, if its unit bum rush, thorns is better. But 90% of the time just use mountain lol.
I disagree she is better. She doesn't have any block or healing and I think a higher dp cost so she can't be used as an opener on a stage like thorns can. She also can hit anything right next to her so positioning her could be a bit awkward. Also Thorns performed better against the swarm of light mobs. In the end it looks like Thorns is good to deploy early on and he may fall off later but you can deploy Typhon later to cover for that. They have opposite strengths and weaknesses and I think it's a well balanced unit in this regard.
@@disintegratedstrategist thorns for low def enemy and typhon for high def
Nice sarcasm
so i need to get both
got it
thorns can be deployed on ranged tiles? wut?
But why compare them....?
Because people -begged- asked nicely, I guess?
why'd they make typhoid fever so strong
Thorns on high ground looking good
It's safe to say that Typhon powercreeped Rosa. Typhon is just way better and it's not even close. It's like how Texalter and Yalter powercreeped Phantom.
Kinda to be expected when you make a new operator that seems good in all content, while the predecessor is niche (but fun) from start to finish.
She's not powercreeping Poca actually
Poca still has higher overall damage thanks to her broken module( 115% damage to heavy enemies, 60% permanen bonus damage )
Also she ignore 60% defense by default
That module make her damage output almost Twice from before
@@k_a4685 Her module is great. I did notice Rosa base attack does slightly more than Typhon's, but that was off-skill and seemed negligible.
What does the overall damage look like?
I can imagine permanent skill uptime would eventually give Typhon the edge? Not to mention she has small stuns which can be useful.
I haven't really seen any numbers yet though.
Doesn't Rosa only ignore defence on heavy enemies?
I also wonder what if there is only one target, Typhon will start double tapping that target with her S2.
@@Khroniclas maybe you can also checked DragonGJY, that channel also giving nice insigne about poca module