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I’m a former “progressive Christian”. I’ve been watching this guy’s sermons since I listened to this discussion last week and he basically teaches the stuff I used to believe. If he is like what I was (and I’m almost certain he is) then he’s an atheist who doesn’t want to admit his atheism because he wants Christian spirituality without the accountability. I’ve also noticed that, like every other “progressive Christian” he has a lot of criticism for God, Jesus, the scriptures (except the ones he likes and can twist to justify his worldview), and the church fathers, especially Paul, yet as far as I have seen the only person in the Bible I’ve heard him give nothing but praise for is the serpent in Genesis (Satan). He is proof that having a PhD in theology doesn’t protect one from eisegesis. It’s vital that we as Christians keep calling ministers like this out on their apostasy, not because we hate them but to stop them from leading others on the wide path that leads to destruction and so preachers like this would turn away from their heresies and start preaching God’s Word.
@@emilychen102 it was a long process but when I started to actually believe in God as an actual entity and not a metaphor (I was more of a deist than a theist) and I started praying more and having conversations with Him, I started to realise that my theology was flawed. I resisted for so long because of my ego.
@@KimboSheil that’s exactly the problem, Brandon is an atheist who wants Christian spirituality, couldn’t have said it better myself, there is no real point in debating the interpretation of the Bible with him, I think one has to start with the existence of God, and God‘s unchanging nature, if he doesn’t believe in the inspiration of the Bible, then he could easily just dismiss a certain passage that contradicts his worldview, and say well, the people who lived at that time had a wrong understanding of a certain issue. Praise God for bringing you to saving faith, may he continue to bless you as you study his word and seek to grow closer to him.
@@e.t.h.559 Thanks. I’m currently in ministry school doing a post grad and working towards building my ministry. What I said about spirituality I got from Frank Turek. When he said that in his podcast I had to pause it to process it because that’s exactly why I got involved in progressive Christianity; I didn’t want accountability, just spirituality. But without accountability you can’t grow spiritually because you are cutting yourself off from God.
@@dr.phelps Life Does not always refer to offspring, in this case homosexual relations cannot bring physical life or spiritual life.That person is dead in both of those areas. Their is no fruit, ,Metaphorically or physically.
I remember Paul Washer said in one of his videos. If you can't talk to a person about God, talk to God about that person. Since Brandan wouldn't listen, let's pray for him that God would remove that heart of stone and give him a heart of flesh. It's important because he's leading his followers down the wrong path.
Nothing about these false pastors is well! So foolish that some today believe they can debate GOD ALMIGHTY YAHUAH'S WORDS!!! Listen only on this dirty, perishing earth do people have a chance to debate the ALMIGHTY GOD JESUS CHRIST! I have just one question to all the arrogant fools that hate GOD... why do you poo 💩, why are you ageing and get sick????? Facts, you are an insignificant human being that will die and go to HELL FIRE 🔥 after all your immorality if you do not apologise to GOD ALMIGHTY in HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON JESUS CHRIST HOLY NAME! The joke is on all who reject JESUS CHRIST! #facts
@@IIifixbotsII No, he was lauding the virtues of divine order. The fact that a patriarchal society can also be tyrannical just means two things can be true at once.
@IIifixbotsII there's way too much history to unpack here, but you're basically wrong because there is much more going on under the surface. It takes learning Judaism to more fully understand the interplay going on with Paul. He was a Torah observant Pharisee who came to know Jesus. Knowing Jesus didn't make him less of a Jew, quite the opposite in fact. That's where he ran into a problem with the one's you're laughing about. It comes down to the man-made traditions that Jesus excoriated the Pharisees for. Like I said, too much to go into here, but you've missed the mark by a lot.
Brothers and sisters in christ please pray for Lisa who has stage 4 bladder cancer from the medical procedure. She is not a believer please pray for her to come to the saving knowledge of jesus Christ. Also for my son Elijah and his wife Raquel! Thank you so much! MARANATHA
MIC DROP ! I'LL BE PRAYING FOR THE BODY OF BELIEVERS ( EPHESIANS 1:17) THAT WE SEE THE DEPTH AND SERIOUS NATURE OF THIS CRITICISM AND ITS GROWING PREVELANCE IN OUR CULTURE. BLESSINGS DR WHITE !
Why anyone debates Brandon at this point is beyond me…. HE DOEs NOT BELIEVE scripture is the word of God , end of story. It’s like arguing over whether the sky is blue with someone who doesn’t believe there is such thing as a sky. He has created a god that looks like himself and has decided a bunch of feel good rules to please his imaginary god. The end
Openly and publicly rebuking apostates in the digital town square is pretty important. Let's be real... a lot of people call themselves Christian but don't understand the foundation of Christian doctrine. So people like Brandon twist the scriptures enough to insert their own ideology and people just accept it. Showing in autistic detail how apostates do this is helpful to jarr the rest of the church awake.
@@randomanun4278 agreed that he needs to be openly rebuked but just not sure he needs to be present during the rebuking while he plays his little cat and mouse game
@fakestreamedia5309 I have to respectfully disagree. Showing how he plays cat and mouse to twist scripture is a great educational tool for Christians who may well be asleep at the wheel inside of these churches. Allowing him to essentially hang himself publicly through his own fallen thought process and either misinterpretation or willful twisting of scripture does more damage to his credibility than simply making a video on him where he isn't present. Additionally if his conscience isn't completely seared and his heart completely hardened the holy spirit may well yet convict him.. qnd a public conviction is very very powerful.
Yes, and Jeff Durbin was intent on holding Brandon to that and not letting him just gloss over that. Felt robbed a little when they cut it right there, but it definitely was a mic drop for sure.
2 Peter 3:16-17 “…..as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. [17] You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability”
Whenever you read the scriptural text then Brandan says he objects and you ask him, “Why?,” I always hear Jim Carrey’s voice in the courtroom on Liar Liar (after the birthday wish) when he states that the entire reason for the objection is… “Because it’s devastating to my case, your honor!” 😂😂😂 If I were tech savvy, I’d definitely queue that up every time Brandan objects to scripture and drop it on Tiktok/UA-cam shorts. Like, ASAP
This whole debate ended about two minutes after it started when Brandon rejects the Bible as the Word of God and says that it isn’t the absolute standard of morality. Everything after that was a “getting nuked from orbit” bonanza
My friend was a full time minister in a foreign country and finally he came out as a surprise to all of us...buy I do respect him because of he said I cannot make sense of his active gay lifestyle with the christianity he has known.
"The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?" [1 Corinthians 10:16]
Clear case of anything to justify your own sin...ignore clear passages....I would like for him to make a pro case for same sex relationships from scripture... He'd probably deny scripture..and just say the Bible didn't know
I think the point is captured well here. In the end the objection has to be made that what is written is not divine authority and rather Paul’s view based within the pervasive cultural thought of the day. Because you simply cannot refute the text, therefore you have to object to its authority. So I’m glad that was clearly shown. Because that is a really slippery slope in interpreting the Bible that way. If that sets the precedent you can start throwing out whatever you like by making the same argument. ALL scripture is God breathed or it isn’t.
Therein is the big issue. Modern society (for the past 50 years) keeps selling this idea that "love" justifies and sanctifies sex and relationships. "As long as two people love each other. It's okay." That's not biblical. God's word defines what makes sexual relationships valid. It's marriage. Not "happy feelings". "We both really love each other". "As long as it's consensual, it's permissible." Marriage. Which is biblically defined as a man and a woman.
That Ending line.. But I think the point of the conversation has been made... Brandon clearly isn't Christian..he doesn't hold scripture to any standard near what Christian does.. He rejects the book of Hebrews.. He rejects the Apostle Paul's views on Roman's 1...anything he doesn't like he rejects
I don't know how you can be Christian at that point, Either you believe the Apostles are inspired by God literally by witnessing Him in the actual flesh and not rejecting Him and therefore take their lessons, regardless of societal context, or you don't believe that they are inspired by God literally witnessing Him in the actual flesh and not rejecting Him. which at that point, why should we even believe the bible when it is written by the inspired apostles witnessing Jesus?
Its not like Brandon actually believes the things he is saying. He thinks he is really tricky in twisting things, but he is not fooling any sincere believers and he is not even fooling himself. Some people become proud of the lies they tell themselves. He is proud of his ability to twist words. That is all.
“You’re twisting my argument” Translated: “Stop winning the debate.” Jude 1:12 These men are hidden reefs in your love feasts, shamelessly feasting with you but shepherding only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried along by the wind; fruitless trees in autumn, twice dead after being uprooted. Remember this is the guy who was preaching his gay theology from a pulpit when lightning struck his church and the power went out.
It's very confusing to listen to these debates because both parties are educated and use personal biblical interpretation to back up what their stance is.
THE King of proof texting! Ladies and gentlemen! James White! I LOVE Apologia Radio, and Jeff Durbin, The Bear, Joy the Girl and Marcus!! But the elder board suffers under a man who has so many blind spots as mr. White.
Brandon Robertson went back through all the police files of ancient cultures to confirm his suspicions that just happen to line up with the outcomes he desires. Crazy!
Absolutely on Dr. White’s side, but man do they keep interrupting Brandon. Everytime a good point is made and it seems like there is actual progress in the dialogue, the guys interrupt or say something snarky to Brandon that derail the convo.
@@roguedisciple5961 I'm not disagreeing. We should expect that from someone of Brandon's position. We shouldn't stoop to their level of pettiness and sarcasm. Let the truth win!
If Leviticus and Romans are only condemning the act because it's "exploitative" (i.e. the example of male slave owners having their way with their male slaves), why are these verses specifically calling "exploitation" out in the context of male-male relations? Did heterosexual slave owners get a free pass to have exploitative sexual relationships with their female slaves? The clear and obvious message of those passages are clear and obvious.
Honestly I don’t know how James White can debate Brandon logically, given his worldview of determinism. Think about it. God Himself chose for Brandon to be as he is, according to James White’s ideology. James is, logically speaking from his own worldview, predetermined to argue against someone who is predetermined to believe the way he does. Futility at its finest. Calvinistic determinism is such a self-defeating ideology. If you believe it, please note then, I could not control the fact that God predetermined me to make this comment. What a conundrum.
I like to ask the question “if there Bible DID broad brush condemn, would you hold to it and believe it?” My estimation is he wouldn’t, so this is a waste of time
If the text only has to do with exploitative relationships, why mention gender at all? The same point could have been made if it said man lying with woman.
If this verse was forbidding only exploitative sex between men then the “as with a woman” would seem to allow for exploitative sex between a man and a woman, would it not?
יגוְאִ֗ישׁ אֲשֶׁ֨ר יִשְׁכַּ֤ב אֶת־זָכָר֙ מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֔ה תּֽוֹעֵבָ֥ה עָשׂ֖וּ שְׁנֵיהֶ֑ם מ֥וֹת יוּמָ֖תוּ דְּמֵיהֶ֥ם בָּֽם: "And a man who lies with a male as one would with a woman both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon themselves"
2 Timothy 3:1 ► This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
I hadn't ever heard part of the original texts of the Bible were in Spanish. Thanks for dropping that really uninformed nonsense on me. It's also not "random"; it is part of the texts that have been used to translate the Bible into modern languages. The apostate didn't even take issue with the Greek discussion. This would be like in response to a discussion of a disagreement about a translation of a French Philosopher's work saying, "I'd love for someone to respond to the random French he spewed with Greek; just as relevant to the conversation." In that case as in yours, it would be obvious the nuances of the conversation completely flew over the head of the respondent.
If Brandan's explanation were true, then why there was no condemnation on heterosexual relationships performed in the same manner of exploitation? Were there no heterosexual relations between masters and slaves?
This “pastor” is the post child for this: 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Timothy 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Oh, that mic drop at the end. Through the entire video, what I'm hearing is Brandon being backed into a corner and being confronted with the truth. Several times he admitted to the obvious truth, but kept trying to get out of it by claiming that it was the wrong context. That dog won't hunt. Not at all.
BR: "You're reading the Bible with your modern eyes. All 2000 years of unanimous Christianity (and several thousand more for the OT) has been reading it with modern eyes! Only we progressives read it in its original context in a way that's never been read by anyone before..."
“Exchanged the truth of God for a lie….” Paul assumes a patriarchal view of the created world while writing in the Holy Spirit. Brandon: “I reject Paul’s patriarchal view of the world”… Checks out.
It seems like Brandon came in with the narrative that he was going to hold firm to his beliefs no matter what. He completely disregarded the text even from the original Greek writings.
What makes this disturbing is that this homosexual guy is a preacher. Leading a lot of people into confusions. What a terrible day it will be for him on judgement day if he doesn’t repent.
i thought i heard in the end of this debate (I watched the full debate) that this brandon told James and Jeff to repent with their false gospel what an audacity 😂
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Thoughts and prayers for those that died in the school shooting today. #prolife #StricterGunControls
DR WHITE: THEY DON'T BRING LIFE! END!!!!!
@Sydney Bell the reply is what Dr White said in his response to Brandon who twist scripture! THERE IS LIVE! END!
Done done and done
I’m a former “progressive Christian”. I’ve been watching this guy’s sermons since I listened to this discussion last week and he basically teaches the stuff I used to believe. If he is like what I was (and I’m almost certain he is) then he’s an atheist who doesn’t want to admit his atheism because he wants Christian spirituality without the accountability.
I’ve also noticed that, like every other “progressive Christian” he has a lot of criticism for God, Jesus, the scriptures (except the ones he likes and can twist to justify his worldview), and the church fathers, especially Paul, yet as far as I have seen the only person in the Bible I’ve heard him give nothing but praise for is the serpent in Genesis (Satan). He is proof that having a PhD in theology doesn’t protect one from eisegesis.
It’s vital that we as Christians keep calling ministers like this out on their apostasy, not because we hate them but to stop them from leading others on the wide path that leads to destruction and so preachers like this would turn away from their heresies and start preaching God’s Word.
How did you come out of progressive Christianity?
@@emilychen102 it was a long process but when I started to actually believe in God as an actual entity and not a metaphor (I was more of a deist than a theist) and I started praying more and having conversations with Him, I started to realise that my theology was flawed. I resisted for so long because of my ego.
Wow, praise God! Thanks for sharing :)
@@KimboSheil that’s exactly the problem, Brandon is an atheist who wants Christian spirituality, couldn’t have said it better myself, there is no real point in debating the interpretation of the Bible with him, I think one has to start with the existence of God, and God‘s unchanging nature, if he doesn’t believe in the inspiration of the Bible, then he could easily just dismiss a certain passage that contradicts his worldview, and say well, the people who lived at that time had a wrong understanding of a certain issue. Praise God for bringing you to saving faith, may he continue to bless you as you study his word and seek to grow closer to him.
@@e.t.h.559 Thanks. I’m currently in ministry school doing a post grad and working towards building my ministry. What I said about spirituality I got from Frank Turek. When he said that in his podcast I had to pause it to process it because that’s exactly why I got involved in progressive Christianity; I didn’t want accountability, just spirituality. But without accountability you can’t grow spiritually because you are cutting yourself off from God.
BR: Loving consensual sex doesn't bring death.
DW: They don't bring life. (🎤 drop)
I think he should pick up the mic again. There are many childless heterosexual relationships
@Dr. Phelps what's your point. The probability of heterosexual relationships to bring life FAR outweighs the opposite.
The exceptions do not nullify the rule though. Only hetereosexual relationships can bring life.
@@dr.phelps No homosexual physical arrangement brings life. Zero.
@@dr.phelps Life Does not always refer to offspring, in this case homosexual relations cannot bring physical life or spiritual life.That person is dead in both of those areas. Their is no fruit, ,Metaphorically or physically.
Sin always wants to rationalize itself.
I remember Paul Washer said in one of his videos. If you can't talk to a person about God, talk to God about that person. Since Brandan wouldn't listen, let's pray for him that God would remove that heart of stone and give him a heart of flesh. It's important because he's leading his followers down the wrong path.
The gymnastics this man does to get around the text is insane.
"They don't bring life.." BAM!!
ANYTHING to excuse ones own sin and lean toward sinning with a "clear" conscience
"Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned."
Titus 3:10-11
What a twist of scripture! “I reject that”. This poor kid. He articulates foolishness well
Nothing about these false pastors is well! So foolish that some today believe they can debate GOD ALMIGHTY YAHUAH'S WORDS!!!
Listen only on this dirty, perishing earth do people have a chance to debate the ALMIGHTY GOD JESUS CHRIST! I have just one question to all the arrogant fools that hate GOD... why do you poo 💩, why are you ageing and get sick????? Facts, you are an insignificant human being that will die and go to HELL FIRE 🔥 after all your immorality if you do not apologise to GOD ALMIGHTY in HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON JESUS CHRIST HOLY NAME!
The joke is on all who reject JESUS CHRIST! #facts
His articulations are what deceives others so well.
This guy needs prayer. Pray that the Lord convicts his heart.
Love Dr. White!! God bless him.
I love that Dr. White always uses his Greek Septuagint. Such a boss move
“Paul has a patriarchal world view” ..That made me laugh out loud!
"Paul has a patriarchal worldview" ... I'm dead 💀
Paul was standing up for The same patriarchal world that persecuted him for his belief lol
@@IIifixbotsII
No, he was lauding the virtues of divine order. The fact that a patriarchal society can also be tyrannical just means two things can be true at once.
@@PETERJOHN101 agree
@IIifixbotsII there's way too much history to unpack here, but you're basically wrong because there is much more going on under the surface. It takes learning Judaism to more fully understand the interplay going on with Paul. He was a Torah observant Pharisee who came to know Jesus. Knowing Jesus didn't make him less of a Jew, quite the opposite in fact. That's where he ran into a problem with the one's you're laughing about. It comes down to the man-made traditions that Jesus excoriated the Pharisees for. Like I said, too much to go into here, but you've missed the mark by a lot.
I think you misunderstood. He was being sarcastic
Brothers and sisters in christ please pray for Lisa who has stage 4 bladder cancer from the medical procedure. She is not a believer please pray for her to come to the saving knowledge of jesus Christ. Also for my son Elijah and his wife Raquel! Thank you so much! MARANATHA
MIC DROP ! I'LL BE PRAYING FOR THE BODY OF BELIEVERS ( EPHESIANS 1:17) THAT WE SEE THE DEPTH AND SERIOUS NATURE OF THIS CRITICISM AND ITS GROWING PREVELANCE IN OUR CULTURE. BLESSINGS DR WHITE !
I don’t hate the guy. But I do have a visceral feeling of rejection when I hear such tortured justification and twisted logic.
Why anyone debates Brandon at this point is beyond me…. HE DOEs NOT BELIEVE scripture is the word of God , end of story. It’s like arguing over whether the sky is blue with someone who doesn’t believe there is such thing as a sky. He has created a god that looks like himself and has decided a bunch of feel good rules to please his imaginary god. The end
Openly and publicly rebuking apostates in the digital town square is pretty important. Let's be real... a lot of people call themselves Christian but don't understand the foundation of Christian doctrine. So people like Brandon twist the scriptures enough to insert their own ideology and people just accept it. Showing in autistic detail how apostates do this is helpful to jarr the rest of the church awake.
Agreed. This Brandon guy needs to be ignored. I believe he’s a troll who is playing mind games.
@@randomanun4278 agreed that he needs to be openly rebuked but just not sure he needs to be present during the rebuking while he plays his little cat and mouse game
@fakestreamedia5309 I have to respectfully disagree. Showing how he plays cat and mouse to twist scripture is a great educational tool for Christians who may well be asleep at the wheel inside of these churches. Allowing him to essentially hang himself publicly through his own fallen thought process and either misinterpretation or willful twisting of scripture does more damage to his credibility than simply making a video on him where he isn't present. Additionally if his conscience isn't completely seared and his heart completely hardened the holy spirit may well yet convict him.. qnd a public conviction is very very powerful.
@@randomanun4278 I see the value in what you are saying, you make a good point. My Brandon meter is officially full :)
We need to pray for him ! Wow!
I talked with this guy on the Jesse Lee Peterson show and he is not going to admit that he's wrong for nothing.
Jesse is a gay predator.
James white?
@@rocketsurgeon1746 Jesse Lee Peterson
Jlp came out.
@@dansaber4427 I don't think he did.
Brandon trapped himself at the end. I pray he comes to a saving knowledge of the Gospel.
8:07 EPIC MIC Drop!!!’n😮
7:49
Yes, and Jeff Durbin was intent on holding Brandon to that and not letting him just gloss over that. Felt robbed a little when they cut it right there, but it definitely was a mic drop for sure.
6:49 I literally spat my drink out 😂
2 Peter 3:16-17
“…..as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. [17] You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability”
This is the verse they needed to bring up. Amazing!
THEY👏DONT👏BRING👏LIFE👏!!!!!
Whenever you read the scriptural text then Brandan says he objects and you ask him, “Why?,” I always hear Jim Carrey’s voice in the courtroom on Liar Liar (after the birthday wish) when he states that the entire reason for the objection is…
“Because it’s devastating to my case, your honor!” 😂😂😂
If I were tech savvy, I’d definitely queue that up every time Brandan objects to scripture and drop it on Tiktok/UA-cam shorts. Like, ASAP
Great movie reference
Excellence patience Pastor White!
“They don’t bring like” 😭😭i love James white
Life
Hey everyone i am in the hospital please prayers are much appreciated please
This whole debate ended about two minutes after it started when Brandon rejects the Bible as the Word of God and says that it isn’t the absolute standard of morality. Everything after that was a “getting nuked from orbit” bonanza
My friend was a full time minister in a foreign country and finally he came out as a surprise to all of us...buy I do respect him because of he said I cannot make sense of his active gay lifestyle with the christianity he has known.
He will one day stand before the Lord and answer for his false teaching.
“They don’t bring life”
DROP THAT MIC JAMES
Dr. White nailed it! Homosexual relationships do NOT bring life!!
"The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?"
[1 Corinthians 10:16]
Every human KNOWS homosexual actions are perverted; they just "trick" themselves into denying that instinct.
Describing the descent of civilization into Godlessness.
Indeed
Clear case of anything to justify your own sin...ignore clear passages....I would like for him to make a pro case for same sex relationships from scripture...
He'd probably deny scripture..and just say the Bible didn't know
“You’re twisting my position then arguing against that position, now excuse me as I twist the biblical position and argue against that”!!”
I think the point is captured well here. In the end the objection has to be made that what is written is not divine authority and rather Paul’s view based within the pervasive cultural thought of the day.
Because you simply cannot refute the text, therefore you have to object to its authority.
So I’m glad that was clearly shown.
Because that is a really slippery slope in interpreting the Bible that way. If that sets the precedent you can start throwing out whatever you like by making the same argument.
ALL scripture is God breathed or it isn’t.
They dont bring death "
"Well they dont bring life"
😂
Therein is the big issue. Modern society (for the past 50 years) keeps selling this idea that "love" justifies and sanctifies sex and relationships. "As long as two people love each other. It's okay."
That's not biblical. God's word defines what makes sexual relationships valid. It's marriage. Not "happy feelings". "We both really love each other". "As long as it's consensual, it's permissible."
Marriage. Which is biblically defined as a man and a woman.
I would NOT want to stand before God as a Progressive teacher knowing I willfully twisted the scripture.
That Ending line..
But I think the point of the conversation has been made...
Brandon clearly isn't Christian..he doesn't hold scripture to any standard near what Christian does..
He rejects the book of Hebrews..
He rejects the Apostle Paul's views on Roman's 1...anything he doesn't like he rejects
He rejects Paul. Wow.
🤣 I know right? I was flooded AND then it dawned on me that this sounds JUST like some sort of New age Islamic-Christian teaching. 💯
I don't know how you can be Christian at that point, Either you believe the Apostles are inspired by God literally by witnessing Him in the actual flesh and not rejecting Him and therefore take their lessons, regardless of societal context, or you don't believe that they are inspired by God literally witnessing Him in the actual flesh and not rejecting Him. which at that point, why should we even believe the bible when it is written by the inspired apostles witnessing Jesus?
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 exactly. At that point, how do you know what is inspired and what is not? 2 Tim. 3:16
You guys should read Objectivity in Interpretation by Thomas Howe. It would help your argumentation. You’re doing the Lords work. God bless you
Its not like Brandon actually believes the things he is saying. He thinks he is really tricky in twisting things, but he is not fooling any sincere believers and he is not even fooling himself. Some people become proud of the lies they tell themselves. He is proud of his ability to twist words. That is all.
I don’t understand why he doesn’t just claim to be Unitarian or something.
He is Brandenian instead
Please turn the volume up
Misleading the flock. I would not wanna be this guy when meeting Jesus…. Other hand what patience you expressed James!
“Loving consensual same sex relationships do not bring death”
….
*” THEY DON’T BRING LIFE!”*
Well jeeze😭😭😭 7:49
“They don’t bring life.” 😮
“You’re twisting my argument”
Translated: “Stop winning the debate.”
Jude 1:12
These men are hidden reefs in your love feasts, shamelessly feasting with you but shepherding only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried along by the wind; fruitless trees in autumn, twice dead after being uprooted.
Remember this is the guy who was preaching his gay theology from a pulpit when lightning struck his church and the power went out.
It's very confusing to listen to these debates because both parties are educated and use personal biblical interpretation to back up what their stance is.
THE King of proof texting! Ladies and gentlemen! James White! I LOVE Apologia Radio, and Jeff Durbin, The Bear, Joy the Girl and Marcus!! But the elder board suffers under a man who has so many blind spots as mr. White.
Brandon Robertson went back through all the police files of ancient cultures to confirm his suspicions that just happen to line up with the outcomes he desires. Crazy!
Brandon can lie to everyone including himself, but God will judge.
YERBA MATE ! Found it 🎉
So abundantly clear🤣.
Amen ⚔️
Absolutely on Dr. White’s side, but man do they keep interrupting Brandon. Everytime a good point is made and it seems like there is actual progress in the dialogue, the guys interrupt or say something snarky to Brandon that derail the convo.
Brandon did the exact same thing.
@@roguedisciple5961 I'm not disagreeing. We should expect that from someone of Brandon's position. We shouldn't stoop to their level of pettiness and sarcasm. Let the truth win!
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If Leviticus and Romans are only condemning the act because it's "exploitative" (i.e. the example of male slave owners having their way with their male slaves), why are these verses specifically calling "exploitation" out in the context of male-male relations? Did heterosexual slave owners get a free pass to have exploitative sexual relationships with their female slaves? The clear and obvious message of those passages are clear and obvious.
Honestly I don’t know how James White can debate Brandon logically, given his worldview of determinism. Think about it.
God Himself chose for Brandon to be as he is, according to James White’s ideology. James is, logically speaking from his own worldview, predetermined to argue against someone who is predetermined to believe the way he does. Futility at its finest. Calvinistic determinism is such a self-defeating ideology. If you believe it, please note then, I could not control the fact that God predetermined me to make this comment. What a conundrum.
what do you mean by determinism?
I like to ask the question “if there Bible DID broad brush condemn, would you hold to it and believe it?”
My estimation is he wouldn’t, so this is a waste of time
If the text only has to do with exploitative relationships, why mention gender at all? The same point could have been made if it said man lying with woman.
I wonder if Mr Robertson listens to Bart Erhman, Robert Price, Elaine Pagels, Paula Friedricksen, and others on that spectrum of scholarship?
Anyone that rejects the infallibility of scripture is not basing their lives on the same script as Christians do.
Is this new or a second one? Or did i go back in time?
They just clipped a previous video to make a short
Go to the channel and watch the entire video. I think it is more than an hour long.
@@eselevi6132 i Saw it when it debut
you went back in time
"They don't bring life!" BOOM...Mic drop...
If this verse was forbidding only exploitative sex between men then the “as with a woman” would seem to allow for exploitative sex between a man and a woman, would it not?
To imply that it's only in Canaan and Egypt ignores the tribe of Benjamin doing the same thing
Is there a separate law against cult prostitution in Dueteronomy 23?? Why would the law have the same law twice? Unless they are two separate laws…
Where can we watch/listen to the whole thing?
יגוְאִ֗ישׁ אֲשֶׁ֨ר יִשְׁכַּ֤ב אֶת־זָכָר֙ מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֔ה תּֽוֹעֵבָ֥ה
עָשׂ֖וּ שְׁנֵיהֶ֑ם מ֥וֹת יוּמָ֖תוּ דְּמֵיהֶ֥ם בָּֽם:
"And a man who lies with a male as one would with a woman both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon themselves"
Quick hypothetical question:
Would you leave your young kids over at Brandon's house to play with his kids unsupervised?
yes, of course. Why are you suggesting something huh huh?
I don't think it's safe to leave Brandon alone with himself at this point frfr
Homosexuality doesn't automatically mean that. Brandon is wrong, but let's not insinuate he's a pedophile.
Seriously? The dude looks dark as hell. By that I mean spiritually vacated.
2 Timothy 3:1 ►
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
I’d love for someone to respond to James whites random Greek in Spanish or something, just as relevant to the conversation
I hadn't ever heard part of the original texts of the Bible were in Spanish. Thanks for dropping that really uninformed nonsense on me. It's also not "random"; it is part of the texts that have been used to translate the Bible into modern languages. The apostate didn't even take issue with the Greek discussion.
This would be like in response to a discussion of a disagreement about a translation of a French Philosopher's work saying, "I'd love for someone to respond to the random French he spewed with Greek; just as relevant to the conversation." In that case as in yours, it would be obvious the nuances of the conversation completely flew over the head of the respondent.
People that play the culture card always want to practice the thing being commanded not to do. They follow after their own lusts.
If scripture is talking about this very specific exploitative, within gay relationships, I would assume it would make that very clear.
If Brandan's explanation were true, then why there was no condemnation on heterosexual relationships performed in the same manner of exploitation? Were there no heterosexual relations between masters and slaves?
This “pastor” is the post child for this:
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 Timothy 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Praise God for this. Praying this guy Brandon will repent of his lust for the world and gain a reverence of the Word.
He rejects Paul's writing, yet, in 1 Corinthians Paul says his writings are the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.
Oh, that mic drop at the end. Through the entire video, what I'm hearing is Brandon being backed into a corner and being confronted with the truth. Several times he admitted to the obvious truth, but kept trying to get out of it by claiming that it was the wrong context. That dog won't hunt. Not at all.
Let me read it let me think about let me find an excuse to change what it said is Brendan
The fact that it’s not qualified means AT ALL.
now u understand what 1 cor 2 : 14 is !!!!!
BR: "You're reading the Bible with your modern eyes. All 2000 years of unanimous Christianity (and several thousand more for the OT) has been reading it with modern eyes! Only we progressives read it in its original context in a way that's never been read by anyone before..."
I found the article where I believe Brandon gets his whole belief from
Can you drop the link, I have to read that ASAP frfr
@@LAwMaker1500 I got you, at some points when he speaks it’s like he’s quoting this bar for bar
“Exchanged the truth of God for a lie….” Paul assumes a patriarchal view of the created world while writing in the Holy Spirit. Brandon: “I reject Paul’s patriarchal view of the world”…
Checks out.
The Bible also says sodomy is a sin. How's he gonna refute that?
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They don't bring life....
Mic drop 🎤
Brandon puts his feelings and his thoughts above the Bible. So we can say he really doesn't believe in the Bible.
they don’t bring life hit me ❤
It seems like Brandon came in with the narrative that he was going to hold firm to his beliefs no matter what. He completely disregarded the text even from the original Greek writings.
What makes this disturbing is that this homosexual guy is a preacher. Leading a lot of people into confusions. What a terrible day it will be for him on judgement day if he doesn’t repent.
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
@@dansaber4427 dont argue with me. Argue with your bible and God
i thought i heard in the end of this debate (I watched the full debate) that this brandon told James and Jeff to repent with their false gospel what an audacity 😂
I thought the same thing when he said that. Astonishing