I'll be honest my man, you lost me once you were questioning the AD trade in any sense. The rumor has it is the Pelicans wanted every young player before they fired the gm and had him replaced, which led the Lakers to keep Kuzma out of the trade. Ingram is a solid player, but hes no AD. Lonzo's career looks like its over (I still love Zo and hope he can get back on the court). Hart is a role player, so youre willing to sacrifice role players when the other team is asking for the whole house and the kitchen sink. Credit to the Pelicans tho, they have used some of these pieces to pick up herb jones in a trade, and an aging mccollum whos a solid player but not a winning basketball player. Overall the Lakers clear the Pelicans in this trade, but the Pels have done good with what they got.
Quantifying LeGM as a failure is a bit absurd imo, as his Cavs teams went to four straight finals upon his arrival. Was the idea of an Amar’e trade in 2009 foolish? Perhaps, but he was available and comparatively cheap to acquire, even with the hindsight that he was going to flame out. The AD trade costing as much as it did was absolutely due to the Pelicans detesting the Lakers’ attempt to tamper and less to do with LeBron. Bron’s only major errors as GM are the Russ trade and the pressure to fire Spo in Miami, the latter of which didn’t even happen. Otherwise, his record has been pretty great and he can always bank on his own talent to carry if his trades are less than optimal.
Yes. And to be honest it's really silly. I don't really think it's fair to say bron has no pull, but it also isn't fair to say he has enough pull to constantly supercede the gm/coach/owner.
@@thetrib1 like I get it, he’s so good that teams are literally fearful of him leaving so they kinda suck up to him without him even having to ask. And you’re right if one player has more pull than the actual GM than you may want to rethink your position as a GM
Dude, this is a miss. You can argue that 2023 was the best year that the actual GM of the team did the best job they could’ve. Lebron spent his first 7 years continuously being let down by the people that get PAID to do the supposed job that Lebron was doing. There were numerous times where Jordan was denied the move he wanted. You’re acting like Lebron is the one signing the contracts for the players joining the teams. Let’s look at what the players you said that were affected did in the following years after the move. Lonzo- a decent 3&D guard. BI- a worse KD. Kuz- a decent 3rd option to championship team but inconsistent. Wiggins- slightly better than Kuz but inconsistent. The cavs haven’t won since lebron left, the heat haven’t won since lebron left, the pelicans weren’t and still aren’t close to winning a title. The Lakers are currently 2 whole seasons from “LeGM” winning a championship. Stop it. Y’all make videos about everything saying nothing
thats the point of the video, that after lebrons left it takes years to recover from bad trades and giving up all your asset jsut to be able to win one title.
Lakers were never winning a championship w/ Lonzo, Ingram, and Hart. When has any of those players made it past the first round? Two of them have been relatively unplayable because of their injuries, Ball way more than Ingram. Josh Hart is a nice piece, but he's not gonna move the needle. Lakers would've never gotten anywhere near the Finals. You won a recent chip with AD and might still have a chance again this year, so no that move was the right one to make. Plus, they got to keep Kuzma because the Pelicans were dumb.
@@martianmurray AD was top 5 in MVP voting and top 3 in dpoy. Your not getting that from Lonzo(who is also always injured), Ingram (who wouldn't have developed under the pressure in la), hart
10 finals appearances, 4 championships, and made a WCF appearance this year. Lebron literally made Every team he’s been on dark- house contenders or the ones to beat.
Pick one. Either lebron has the power to manage the roster or he doesnt. If he does, then he's one of the best gms of all time. If not then the criticism isnt on bron, but the people with the power
ad trade was a massive w for them because they won a championship and are in the conference finals rn. Also if LeGM is actually a thing, why are we praising Rob Pelinka for this new look lakers team? If he's actually really controlling the front office, rui's acquisition was his move and so was trading russ etc. so shouldn't he get credit for why they're in wcf rn?
At the end of the day the choice still ultimately belongs to the GM and front office. LeBron might have influenced those trades but the front office still have the total power.
Fun fact: Out of all of the first round picks LeGM's traded, only one of them became an all-star. That all-star is Andrew Wiggins. LeGM is a better tactician than people give him credit.
6:12 but could it be a good thing that Wiggins was shifted to a different franchise so in that way he could properly develop and not be in the bust trajectory or a 3&D role player like he is now? After all he averaged 23 pts in 2017 and his career became mediocre afterwards. How does that have anything to do with LeBron?
I think you are being very biased towards LeGM... his decisions were always spot on but injuries seemed to failed him in his journey... Till 2018, it was his teammates who were breaking down easily, like 2015 Kyrie and Love, 2014 Wade and Bosh... and in his lakers years both him and AD had problems with health like in 2021 and onwards...
I like this video concept and I liked where this was going, but aqcuiring Klove and AD are by far one of the best LeGm moves. LeGM, even with al it's flaws, was actually pretty much a succes
This is my first time commenting on a UA-cam video ever. I agree with a lot of your takes and respect you as a creator but this is one of the worst tales I’ve ever seen. In hindsight, how is the AD trade reckless? If we’re looking purely from hindsight right now, Lonzo’s career looks pretty much over, kuzma is honesty pretty bad if you watch him play, Josh hart is pretty average of a player, and BI is good, but he doesn’t fit with lebron or this lakers team. If we look purely from HINDSIGHT, the lakers have a ring, and are in the western conference finals right now, pushing for another ring. BI on the pelicans also can’t be successful without Zion, leading me to believe they won’t have success unless he’s healthy. The lakers 1000000% won this trade, one of the biggest trades in the nba in the last decade, and has further solidified lebron’s legacy of being a top 2 player ever.
He forced the Westbrook trade, also made Cavs give Tristan Thompson and i think JR too big of a contract after winning the chip. Both of those hindered the team flexibility
If he drafted lebron then he would have no issue. If Miami lebron also very little issue other than potentially lebron not respecting brad Stevens. if Old lebron you gotta make moves and no gm has ever been more trade happy then ainge
I tried to finish the video until he said Andrew Wiggins would have been a key for lebron to win Had to have forgot it took wiggins 9 years and to be a 4th option (3rd scoring) to contribute to playoff basketball . LeGm should have waited it out tho 🤣🤣
One of the points, why I some way hate LeBron pointed out well. He's not thought about the team, he thought about the team during his visit. Not a second longer into the future.
Signing one of if not THE best players in the NBA should come with the understand that you’re now making moves to contend for a championship. Why should Lebron or anyone sit back and wait for players to develop as they get older and their prime years pass them by?
I disagree If the Cavs traded for Stoudomire, then they would have been able to resign LeBron, and the assets they hypothetically would have given up to get him were nothing. Even thought we in the future know that Stoudamire would have gotten hurt, it would have led to LeBron resigning. The Cavs were content with never winning a championship as long as LeBron as there and so LeBron rightfully left. As for Miami, yes he had little to no general manager control and he wouldn't have because he tried to get Erik Spolestra fired and Pat Riley said no. His 2nd stint in Cleveland, Andrew Wiggins was a bust and Kevin Love helped them win a championship. I know Wiggins would turn into a good starter 9 years later, but a good 3&D wing isn't worth arguably one of the greatest championships in NBA History. Also, the players that LA lost in exchange for Davis weren't as good as we think they were. Lonzo eventually got hurt (prayers to him), Ingram is good, but he's injury prone and nowhere near as good as AD, and Josh Hart is just a good role player. The draft picks hurt, but they got Anthony Davis and they won a championship as a result. Only mistake LeBron made as LeGM was Westbrook
LeBron shot the 3-pointers poorly in the 4th for the playoffs going 1 for 21. At age 38, LeBron ran out of gas during crunch time Game 3 against Nuggets. 8.36 down by 1 point, LeBron misses free throw. LeBron then sits. 7.00 LeBron enters game with Lakers down by 5 points. 6.00 LeBron misses another 3-pointer, LeBron is so tired on defense...Nuggets lead expands to 10. Once a great closer, the old LeBron has not hit a game-winning shot in years.
I think the main reason LeBron chose resigning with the Cavaliers was mostly due to him wanting that redemption arc. That roster and team potential was promising, but it wasn't the ideal fit.. there's a lot more situations and teams he could've joined that would've been a better fit for him if it was strictly about winning rings.
Tucker this vid feels a little hatey for no reason. You usually give a very level headed and objective view of situations but this one feels like you’re pushing a narrative.
While LeGM doesn’t look good on paper, it is good for organizations. Let’s say the owner needs a rebuild eventually right? You go all out on Lebron and let him win you a ring, all while tanking your team. He leaves, let’s you get a fresh roster, meanwhile fans will be happy you got a ring recently and be understanding of a rebuild. Better than being bounced first round year after year or never making the playoffs. It’s like that thanos meme of I achieved my dreams but at what cost? Lebron is thanos. 😊
Where lebron goes, there is no draft pick, and future core young players are drafted There is nothing left when he is gone, and he finds other franchise that can make him entire franchise roster for him Yes, atleast he won the championship where ever he goes, and winning one championship maybe worth it But now? Player who is pushing 39 and has to miss many games, is it worth it?
It's tough to say but I think that Lebron playing the GM does have some negatives, but I think what could have been done better was looking at the bad trades that Leborn has done. For instance, the Westbrook deal. If I remember correctly, Lebron was pushing for Westbrook to be traded to the Lakers and that did not turn out well. Another might be the early 2018 Cavs with D-Rose, Dwayne Wade, and all those old guys. I'm sure Lebron asked for those players and thought it would work out when it didn't. That year was only saved because of the trade deadline and lebron going Nuclear in the playoffs.
Honestly. We could just say that the people in power were spineless...that they don't earn their paycheck, and that they don't deserve any credit for any move ever. But that sounds dumb(even though that's what's happening here)
@@thetrib1 that is true, Lebron is not the one calling other teams about players and how to trade for them. It might be more of Lebron being a strong influencer on the GM because of his need to win as stated in the video. But it is no wonder that the greatest success Lebron had in his career was with the heat and they had one of the best front office execs ever in Pat Riley who prevented Lebron from firing Eric Spolstra
@Amazingkook 143 my point I'd that lebron is ultimately powerless when it comes to these sorts of things. Yes he has influence just like every super star ever. But yes the heat have a great front office. Part of the big three going to Miami and not Toronto or Cleveland is because of that. Why we don't put the non firing of wade on D Wade is odd to me. Wade has pill too, and maybe Wade kept Eric on the pay roll. Why does that always get attributed to Pat Riley?
The thruth is Lebron is the most overrated player in NBA history. Got more help than any other superstar and underachieved. Bubble Tournament was a joke and Lebron played in a trash east most of his career.
this most recent trade deadline all i heard was pelinka but when its bad lts majority blame lebron you gotta speak on cavs trash moves that forced LeBron to move like a psycho gm, that's why pat riley the goat because yes bosh was player movement but the rest of the depth and coach was all pat riley and when lbj tried to pull his weight pat riley would tell him what time it was big reason why he left
Wrong all his teams got rings...LEGM DONT MISS
I'll be honest my man, you lost me once you were questioning the AD trade in any sense. The rumor has it is the Pelicans wanted every young player before they fired the gm and had him replaced, which led the Lakers to keep Kuzma out of the trade. Ingram is a solid player, but hes no AD. Lonzo's career looks like its over (I still love Zo and hope he can get back on the court). Hart is a role player, so youre willing to sacrifice role players when the other team is asking for the whole house and the kitchen sink. Credit to the Pelicans tho, they have used some of these pieces to pick up herb jones in a trade, and an aging mccollum whos a solid player but not a winning basketball player. Overall the Lakers clear the Pelicans in this trade, but the Pels have done good with what they got.
Quantifying LeGM as a failure is a bit absurd imo, as his Cavs teams went to four straight finals upon his arrival. Was the idea of an Amar’e trade in 2009 foolish? Perhaps, but he was available and comparatively cheap to acquire, even with the hindsight that he was going to flame out. The AD trade costing as much as it did was absolutely due to the Pelicans detesting the Lakers’ attempt to tamper and less to do with LeBron. Bron’s only major errors as GM are the Russ trade and the pressure to fire Spo in Miami, the latter of which didn’t even happen. Otherwise, his record has been pretty great and he can always bank on his own talent to carry if his trades are less than optimal.
is this lebrons burner
@@simonppp just someone with a functioning brain
Amare didn’t really flame out. He had a few good healthy years left. Him and LeBron would’ve been a problem for teams athletically no doubt.
Don't forget to swallow...
@@simonppp 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kind of a lot of assumptions in this video and it’s like the actual GM/head coach takes no blame just bc of how good lebron is
Yes. And to be honest it's really silly. I don't really think it's fair to say bron has no pull, but it also isn't fair to say he has enough pull to constantly supercede the gm/coach/owner.
@@thetrib1 like I get it, he’s so good that teams are literally fearful of him leaving so they kinda suck up to him without him even having to ask. And you’re right if one player has more pull than the actual GM than you may want to rethink your position as a GM
@@thetrib1 always have been like that except the Lakers
@@WalterModel45 not except.
@@thetrib1 pelinka waited to trade westbrook and didnt use 2029 pick like LeGM wanted
Dude, this is a miss. You can argue that 2023 was the best year that the actual GM of the team did the best job they could’ve. Lebron spent his first 7 years continuously being let down by the people that get PAID to do the supposed job that Lebron was doing. There were numerous times where Jordan was denied the move he wanted. You’re acting like Lebron is the one signing the contracts for the players joining the teams. Let’s look at what the players you said that were affected did in the following years after the move. Lonzo- a decent 3&D guard. BI- a worse KD. Kuz- a decent 3rd option to championship team but inconsistent. Wiggins- slightly better than Kuz but inconsistent. The cavs haven’t won since lebron left, the heat haven’t won since lebron left, the pelicans weren’t and still aren’t close to winning a title. The Lakers are currently 2 whole seasons from “LeGM” winning a championship. Stop it. Y’all make videos about everything saying nothing
thats the point of the video, that after lebrons left it takes years to recover from bad trades and giving up all your asset jsut to be able to win one title.
@@sratnatozmrde the point is to win the title. If it's just for 1 title then you take it because that's why your playing
Lakers were never winning a championship w/ Lonzo, Ingram, and Hart. When has any of those players made it past the first round? Two of them have been relatively unplayable because of their injuries, Ball way more than Ingram. Josh Hart is a nice piece, but he's not gonna move the needle. Lakers would've never gotten anywhere near the Finals. You won a recent chip with AD and might still have a chance again this year, so no that move was the right one to make. Plus, they got to keep Kuzma because the Pelicans were dumb.
Kyrie never made the playoffs until Lebron came back. Lonzo, Ingram, and Hart could’ve played well in the bubble.
@@martianmurray AD was top 5 in MVP voting and top 3 in dpoy. Your not getting that from Lonzo(who is also always injured), Ingram (who wouldn't have developed under the pressure in la), hart
@@tridra5714 if Jimmy can take some late or undrafted players to the finals, Lebron should be able to take some first rounders to the finals.
10 finals appearances, 4 championships, and made a WCF appearance this year. Lebron literally made
Every team he’s been on dark- house contenders or the ones to beat.
Pick one. Either lebron has the power to manage the roster or he doesnt. If he does, then he's one of the best gms of all time. If not then the criticism isnt on bron, but the people with the power
ad trade was a massive w for them because they won a championship and are in the conference finals rn. Also if LeGM is actually a thing, why are we praising Rob Pelinka for this new look lakers team? If he's actually really controlling the front office, rui's acquisition was his move and so was trading russ etc. so shouldn't he get credit for why they're in wcf rn?
At the end of the day the choice still ultimately belongs to the GM and front office. LeBron might have influenced those trades but the front office still have the total power.
Fun fact: Out of all of the first round picks LeGM's traded, only one of them became an all-star. That all-star is Andrew Wiggins. LeGM is a better tactician than people give him credit.
6:12 but could it be a good thing that Wiggins was shifted to a different franchise so in that way he could properly develop and not be in the bust trajectory or a 3&D role player like he is now? After all he averaged 23 pts in 2017 and his career became mediocre afterwards. How does that have anything to do with LeBron?
became mediocre my brother he was the second best player on the team that won the chip just last year
Were you there in 2010 that LeBron didn't give Cleveland any assurances?
I think you are being very biased towards LeGM... his decisions were always spot on but injuries seemed to failed him in his journey... Till 2018, it was his teammates who were breaking down easily, like 2015 Kyrie and Love, 2014 Wade and Bosh... and in his lakers years both him and AD had problems with health like in 2021 and onwards...
Bosh never declined i distinctively remember bosh having 30pt games before being taken out by blood clots
I like this video concept and I liked where this was going, but aqcuiring Klove and AD are by far one of the best LeGm moves. LeGM, even with al it's flaws, was actually pretty much a succes
9:49 he’s a player. Not a GM
Mentioned the AD and love trades, which any GM would make with hindsight today, but not the westbrook trade? What even is this video?
Microwave contender. That’s a great term.
If you don't think Jordan and LeBron are #1 and #2 in any order you just don't know basketball or you're so old you literally saw Kareem play
There should be a LeGM badge in 2K that just let you trade and draft whoever you want on your NBA team.
This is my first time commenting on a UA-cam video ever. I agree with a lot of your takes and respect you as a creator but this is one of the worst tales I’ve ever seen. In hindsight, how is the AD trade reckless? If we’re looking purely from hindsight right now, Lonzo’s career looks pretty much over, kuzma is honesty pretty bad if you watch him play, Josh hart is pretty average of a player, and BI is good, but he doesn’t fit with lebron or this lakers team. If we look purely from HINDSIGHT, the lakers have a ring, and are in the western conference finals right now, pushing for another ring. BI on the pelicans also can’t be successful without Zion, leading me to believe they won’t have success unless he’s healthy. The lakers 1000000% won this trade, one of the biggest trades in the nba in the last decade, and has further solidified lebron’s legacy of being a top 2 player ever.
Here are the LeBron nuthuggers defending him at all costs.
is this The Flight Mike??
He forced the Westbrook trade, also made Cavs give Tristan Thompson and i think JR too big of a contract after winning the chip. Both of those hindered the team flexibility
I wonder how Danny Ainge would've handled Lebron on his team
If he drafted lebron then he would have no issue. If Miami lebron also very little issue other than potentially lebron not respecting brad Stevens. if Old lebron you gotta make moves and no gm has ever been more trade happy then ainge
The problem is that he owns a sport agency. It’s a massive tempering advantage for him.
This video is hilarious 🤣🤣.
And then making takes off “if they loss, in alternate realities” to discredit champions
I tried to finish the video until he said Andrew Wiggins would have been a key for lebron to win
Had to have forgot it took wiggins 9 years and to be a 4th option (3rd scoring) to contribute to playoff basketball . LeGm should have waited it out tho 🤣🤣
One of the points, why I some way hate LeBron pointed out well. He's not thought about the team, he thought about the team during his visit. Not a second longer into the future.
And that ridiculous clickbaity title? Very distasteful. It's not good for your channel, contrary to what you might think.
weird truth that he does not even read the first sentence of the first page?
One title in the thropy case is worth a thousand titles that could be
I like how you skipped over LeBron trying to trade Kyrie after the finals which led to Kyrie requesting a trade
Literally never happened.
Signing one of if not THE best players in the NBA should come with the understand that you’re now making moves to contend for
a championship. Why should Lebron or anyone sit back and wait for players to develop as they get older and their prime years pass them by?
I disagree
If the Cavs traded for Stoudomire, then they would have been able to resign LeBron, and the assets they hypothetically would have given up to get him were nothing. Even thought we in the future know that Stoudamire would have gotten hurt, it would have led to LeBron resigning. The Cavs were content with never winning a championship as long as LeBron as there and so LeBron rightfully left.
As for Miami, yes he had little to no general manager control and he wouldn't have because he tried to get Erik Spolestra fired and Pat Riley said no.
His 2nd stint in Cleveland, Andrew Wiggins was a bust and Kevin Love helped them win a championship. I know Wiggins would turn into a good starter 9 years later, but a good 3&D wing isn't worth arguably one of the greatest championships in NBA History.
Also, the players that LA lost in exchange for Davis weren't as good as we think they were. Lonzo eventually got hurt (prayers to him), Ingram is good, but he's injury prone and nowhere near as good as AD, and Josh Hart is just a good role player. The draft picks hurt, but they got Anthony Davis and they won a championship as a result.
Only mistake LeBron made as LeGM was Westbrook
Why do you say “Some way” when you know what happened in that series. Still good vid though 😊
LeBron shot the 3-pointers poorly in the 4th for the playoffs going 1 for 21.
At age 38, LeBron ran out of gas during crunch time Game 3 against Nuggets.
8.36 down by 1 point, LeBron misses free throw. LeBron then sits. 7.00 LeBron enters game with Lakers down by 5 points. 6.00 LeBron misses another 3-pointer, LeBron is so tired on defense...Nuggets lead expands to 10. Once a great closer, the old LeBron has not hit a game-winning shot in years.
I agree LeBron demanding Chris Bosh, Kevin Love and Westbrook makes him the worst GM in history yes even worse than MJ as a GM.
still, LeGM > Owner Jordan
speaking the truth
I think the main reason LeBron chose resigning with the Cavaliers was mostly due to him wanting that redemption arc. That roster and team potential was promising, but it wasn't the ideal fit.. there's a lot more situations and teams he could've joined that would've been a better fit for him if it was strictly about winning rings.
Tucker this vid feels a little hatey for no reason. You usually give a very level headed and objective view of situations but this one feels like you’re pushing a narrative.
Bron fans mad af on this 😏🤣😎
Preach
While LeGM doesn’t look good on paper, it is good for organizations. Let’s say the owner needs a rebuild eventually right? You go all out on Lebron and let him win you a ring, all while tanking your team. He leaves, let’s you get a fresh roster, meanwhile fans will be happy you got a ring recently and be understanding of a rebuild. Better than being bounced first round year after year or never making the playoffs. It’s like that thanos meme of I achieved my dreams but at what cost? Lebron is thanos. 😊
Where lebron goes, there is no draft pick, and future core young players are drafted
There is nothing left when he is gone, and he finds other franchise that can make him entire franchise roster for him
Yes, atleast he won the championship where ever he goes, and winning one championship maybe worth it
But now? Player who is pushing 39 and has to miss many games, is it worth it?
LeGM back at it!!!
It's tough to say but I think that Lebron playing the GM does have some negatives, but I think what could have been done better was looking at the bad trades that Leborn has done. For instance, the Westbrook deal. If I remember correctly, Lebron was pushing for Westbrook to be traded to the Lakers and that did not turn out well. Another might be the early 2018 Cavs with D-Rose, Dwayne Wade, and all those old guys. I'm sure Lebron asked for those players and thought it would work out when it didn't. That year was only saved because of the trade deadline and lebron going Nuclear in the playoffs.
Honestly. We could just say that the people in power were spineless...that they don't earn their paycheck, and that they don't deserve any credit for any move ever.
But that sounds dumb(even though that's what's happening here)
@@thetrib1 that is true, Lebron is not the one calling other teams about players and how to trade for them. It might be more of Lebron being a strong influencer on the GM because of his need to win as stated in the video. But it is no wonder that the greatest success Lebron had in his career was with the heat and they had one of the best front office execs ever in Pat Riley who prevented Lebron from firing Eric Spolstra
@Amazingkook 143 my point I'd that lebron is ultimately powerless when it comes to these sorts of things. Yes he has influence just like every super star ever. But yes the heat have a great front office. Part of the big three going to Miami and not Toronto or Cleveland is because of that. Why we don't put the non firing of wade on D Wade is odd to me. Wade has pill too, and maybe Wade kept Eric on the pay roll. Why does that always get attributed to Pat Riley?
@@amazingkook143 I just think it's unfair no matter what side of the lebron convo you fall on to credit bron for roster moves good or bad
idk why this turns out to be a hate video lol
rare but increasingly more common L
Miss
this video is so silly so many assumptions
bad video LeGm has had some of the best moves
We all know u dont like bron bro
The thruth is Lebron is the most overrated player in NBA history. Got more help than any other superstar and underachieved. Bubble Tournament was a joke and Lebron played in a trash east most of his career.
Agreed 100 percent spot on
. Very good video that no one ever talks about or makes.
Why he'll never be the GOAT dudes a build a bear version of a title chaser.
this most recent trade deadline all i heard was pelinka but when its bad lts majority blame lebron you gotta speak on cavs trash moves that forced LeBron to move like a psycho gm, that's why pat riley the goat because yes bosh was player movement but the rest of the depth and coach was all pat riley and when lbj tried to pull his weight pat riley would tell him what time it was big reason why he left
L take
Lebron old
It’s obvious the LeBron fanatics in the comments don’t understand what the video was about.
FOR REAL
You’re one of the biggest player haters i have seen on UA-cam HOLY SHIT.
lol
Michael Jordan > Lebron
For now
@@dawg.kefi1 lebron and MJ > victor wenbanyama