Great defender tho Billy misses a few here an there still a Billy Jordie combo in a big match should have been given a go …not on Notthern tour tho Billy came home for new baby didn’t go back right?
Hi Marty, I have just subscribed to you channel. I was a long time listener to radio sport and this has given me another avenue to hear and discuss All Black rugby. Cheers Aaron
The officiating is a major issue. NH players fall all over the ball at the rucks to slow everything down, and they get away with it. Penalize this sort of behaviour and the ABs will get some go forward. Reiko needs to go, or at least be moved out to wing.
Referees and TMOs are ridiculous throughout other games as well, it’s not rugby like we used to watch so much stop start taking play back for something that happened 30 minutes ago these Refs can do what ever they want when they want Now it’s team A vs Referees
I find it quite comforting that our scrum and lineout is right up there what an insurance policy moving forward our maul defense has improved hugely too
Yes but you can not ignore or accept the masquerade performances. I'm sorry but Razor needs to attend a Toastmasters Course because he is a shocking public speaker.
We haven't had a 7 like McCaw, we haven't had a 10 like Carter....etc etc these were generational players and you can't just replace them, especially so many of them at once.
Yes Nonu & C Smith hard to replace I think we are still trying but not there yet. Maybe Jordy not quite there we need a specialist 2nd five & a pure centre but we haven't got that yet. Hopefully ABs find it soon but the guys that have been used have been OK.
From a Saffa, the reason that the pack has shown more improved play than the back in my opinion is this. Jason Ryan has been the forwards coach since the Ian Foster regime, this continuity bulits better cohesion and the trust you more as a coach. On a side note you mentioned the 1 wing position being unclaimed, put Reiko there and give Billy a decent go at 13. 💪
The All Blacks have lost their mongrel players and they are all too nice and playing the social media game. Bring back some hard nosed no nonsense players that demand better than we are currently doing. Rieko has to go back to the wing and it’s time for a new 12 and 13 combo.
No. Ian Foster began to normalize All Black losses, saying 'the All Blacks are just another team'. These AB's have to snap out of the 'acceptable loss' mindset
We have lost plenty in recent past too everyone beat us in 70s 80s and 90s we lost plenty games and it is way more competitive nowadays everyone would agree on that I reckon
beejallison8283 You don’t understand kid. It’s was Nz first lost to Ireland Foster and Hansen First and second loss to Argentina First series loss to Ireland at home and the big drop in winning percentages from 77% to 60 some Until he got Razors coaching staff they improved a bit He got 3 firsts 😳 The other teams are definitely improving but does that mean the top team stops improving? I don’t think so or are ABs going backwards
@ we drew with a way worse Pumas team in the early 80s we lost every tri nations game in 98 Aussie had our number at various different periods mid 80s early 90s early 2000s Boks had our number for awhile there after 07 old Laurie list a heap of games ore 95 lost to Munster in the 70s too …and Ireland Argentina teams today are way way better than previously
The problem is, TJ has now retired from AB's - so it's not like saying you will be banned from AB's - for making political [let alone divisive] statements on the field. Perhaps new rules stating Future career bans, plus loss of years salary...
@@Albert_Br Don't you see. The AB's Already Had the Maori expression: it is called The Haka. There was no need to to insult non-Maori, as in 'Get Out of Aotearoa you invading White Honky'
All Blacks should make statements in their personal time.......like when richie mcCaw and other ABs fronted promo material for John key in an AB jersey...like that time the players donned coloured laces to support rainbow community...like that time the All Blacks left their Maori players back home to enjoy their personal time while the team flew to play in apartheid south africa...like all those times ABs wear a poppy on their sleeve...like how the NZR monetize maori culture and use of haka for branding... just a maori / brown thing. NZ Europeans have so much say and influence over everything. Even including how our names or mis-pronounced every single game. Sometimes you get one guy's name said incorrectly 3 or 4 different ways. people need to stop being so precious and sensitive, wake up and realize that TJ's heritage his history, is weaved through the history and heritage of this country. And we are all sharing in that tu meke TJ
Keep praising a guy that lied and deceived his coach and teammates, who destroyed the Mana of all haka for the majority of New Zealanders. Who damaged their employer, who had paid him millions. Who waited until the last game so he could leave everyone in the sh*t and bugger off like a complete coward. Who disrespected the Italians in their own country. Who advocated for racial supremacy during a sports match and spat in the face on the majority of Kiwis. What a man to praise, and it says a lot about the people that make up the anti-bill movement to be honest, if you think all the actions performed above are somehow praiseworthy.
If Henry and Hansen were coaching the All Blacks in 2024, their winning % would be much lower than the 85% they had. All teams are much better defensively now especially with rush defense. All Blacks don’t get the space to score tries like in the past as a result. Even during the great All Blacks era we lost to South Africa 3 times in 1 year in 2009. 2009 had 4 losses including 2 lost at home. The 85% win rate is never coming back because the sport is far more competitive than its ever been. All teams have access to modern coaching and training systems. McCaw would be heavily scrutinised in this TMO era.
Picking Shannon Frizell from Japan would have meant we would not have uncovered Wallace Sititi, so the overseas player debate is a tough one. Imagine if Wallace opted to play for Samoa in the World Cup because he was not willing to wait for his chance to be an AB for three more years.
NZ Rugby would need to follow the Aussie approach after a certain number of tests then eligible to play for the AB's, otherwise there is a risk of a mass exit of young players
Wouldve given them a D. They lost to arg in nz again and lost 2 tests where they were more than 10 points ahead and were in charge. So season is at best a D.
Why do you need Richie Mounga ? To be an average player all year and cost us another World Cup ? He had his chance for 7 years and he failed miserably. A good SR player and that’s his level
I agree hes overated had a chance to win the world cup for us last year but missed the kick he would normally get great players make it count when it really matters.
Good on ya Marty, I wasn't going to subscribe to your new channel but I reluctantly clicked the video and was pleasantly surprised with you being forthcoming with your TJ views. I am now a subscriber
Razor gad a good year reckon things a looking very bright set piece was fantastic and we def looked bit vulnerable there pre Jason I reckon and that is a fantastic place build from go ABs 25!! Chur TJ and Sam!!
In 2025 ,Razor wont have more excuses. He said that in 2024 , he learned the job. In 2025 , he must win all the titles and tests marches. Wayne smith must be assistant coach and it is nécessaires for him.
Myttin da, Marty. You do a bloody fine show. Top analysis from, modern-thinking, vastly experienced former ABs are always insightful and most-times great craic, too. Shame Ngani Laumape left the scene. His absence left a glaring hole where a line-breaking power-house 12 went missing, imo. The mid-field lacks "Boom", for want of a better word. The wings and full-backs are lacking decent space to work in.
Our forward pack is only just on par with the top teams and can't make up for the lack of cutting edge of our backline. In fact, our pack is undersized and underpowered in the breakdown compared to France and S Africa and only just achieves parity in the set piece. Our backline suffers from a lack of a outright speed merchant in the wings and a lack of a proper distributor and crash ball in the centres and all our first choice fly halves are converted 15s rather than natural no 10s.
Two things, I was surprised to read that others also believe Reiko is not a great choice for Center. He rarely breaks the ops line and often loses the ball in contact. Razor find someone bigger and stronger and quick. Second thing I was very disappointed with TJ who I always considered to be a gentleman and a very good player.
Looking forward Marty what we need to find next year is big and powerful numbers six and eight . We have the slightly smaller and very mobile loose forwards .In the backs we need to select more naturally creative midfield backs . Barrett and Ioane are strong running players but not naturally creative which is restricting the progress of this team .AS for picking players from overseas i am against it . WE still have a strong production line of producing quality players . The art of selection is as important as coaching and i believe that in NZ the players are there you just have to look hard
Loose forwards went well tho right lotsa line breaks and turnovers won lineout went good scrum solid as… none of our boys getting g smashed out there ?
@@beejallison8283 Yes what you say there is true but when it comes to meters gained when we carry the ball that is where we have vast room for improvement . In one test against SA we both had the same amount of carries but they made one hundred meters more with there carries that is not acceptable if you want to win big games
@@danhursty6684 Yes i have heard that he has potential and i have also heard that Will Stoddard also from the Landers is another player to keep an eye on . Both of these players have the physical attributes that the selectors should be looking for . Lets hope they deliver big time next year it would be great for NZ rugby
@ France just beat us in less defenders beaten line breaks run meters possession territory possession for me I’m agreeing with Razor on this key moments not executed at key times to many times
First, Reiko at center is the problem the lads not a center!!!second, Politicizing the haka was quite disappointing. Really enjoying the new channel thanks Marty!
Why do our coaches and commentators have a blind spot when talking about Rieko Ioane? He is not a center and never has been. He has no eye for space, can't put his outside players into space, and doesn't have the distribution skills to service his back three. Look at the replays of our wingers' tries this year, and you'll see that the vast majority were created for them by other players....Rieko looked like a lost extra on a movie set. You can add to that the number of times he spilled the ball or knocked on in contact...often between the opposition's 22 and 40. His only saving grace is his defense, especially near our line...which has been excellent.
We always talk about TJ being Maori and how proud he is to be one...fair enough. His mother doesn't have a drop of Maori blood in her as far as I know and I grew up with her and her whanau in Titahi Bay. His Nana is Pat Farrow a NZ softball representative back in the day as are both his parents and his mother's brother - he really should have been an international softball rep - luckily he chose rugby. Do you think he would have these views and made these sorts of statements if it meant excluding his pakeha Nana! I think, and know, not! He loves her as much as any grandchild ever has and would never disrespect this lovely lady. Its time that NZ media did some real investigative journalism to find out who people truly are, and in this case TJ, and not what they think they represent. He would never disrespect his Nana or his mum...pity you so called media missed all of that!
Well he had absolutely no issues with lying to and deceiving his team mates and coach, or with severely diminishing the mana of all haka in the eyes of the majority of Kiwis. So most people now just see him as completely untrustworthy and utterly selfish, a man who sh't on the only Maori cultural export that actually has some fame in the broader world.
Your argument still doesn't give him the right to use the All Blacks for a personal political stunt. Especially in front of an Italian crowd and team who know nothing about what he's screaming his head off about or know anything about the Treaty.
We are now at point in time now where the forward pack brings more excitement than our backline...are ee England in disguise....in disguissse are we England in disguise Seriously if i hear we are building or still figuring out how to deal with rush defence again im going to call John Mitchell to see if he wants to reapply! Sick of these excuses. im not sure razor knows how to figure out this puzzle. Well saId in TJ, marshy. Nailed it.
Great idea then even the slightly more well off clubs from overseas would be here taking anybody who could even catch a ball that would make super rugby, provincial and club rugby even more off a joke
Need our overseas players especially 9 10 two most important positions. If it’s working for everyone else 🤷🏼♂️ Keep pushing grassroots and club players through Give razor one more year his results should tell us a lot We need another Nonu Smith combo good hard running THINKING PLAYERS you can’t teach that and just robot players that just go with the flow we want players that make plays happen out of nothing when it’s needed Ritchie Mouanga B Barret Maa Nonu Conrad smith type shiit ✊
The overseas selection process....as a professional footballer, you should be able to play for your country and make a buck doing something you love, right, well under these certain circumstances and those situations.....utter bullshit, no other way to describe it ahahaha......
As an outsider(not from NZ), I don't understand the coloniser's perspective on this. A Moari guy used a Maori challenge to make a statement about a big issue the Maori people are facing right now. He is allowed to use the Haka for that. If not, then that means the Haka has been appropriated by the All Blacks and no longer belongs to the Maori to use how they see fit.
@@craigrodger3628 Firstly, it wasn't a personal stance but a Maori stance. Secondly, it was a Maori stance expressed during a Maori challenge. If NZR doesn't want Maori's to use what's theirs to express their views, remove the Haka from the ABs. Until then, Maori's can do what they want with what's theirs.
@@rubain you have to understand outside of NZ. For me the Haka just delays the start to a rugby match, it isn't a given that it is performed on foreign soil but it is allowed out of respect. Imagine watching Ireland v NZ, 3 national anthems, then a Haka. 20 mins of your life you never get back
just not all the time thou make them tackle tired first clarke short ball then let get it too the special player rieko stats wise in lomu s jersey and get behind our maori boy try scoring machinejordan aswell barrett can do it all
Peranara lied to his captain and coach on what he was going to do. He's a coward, he left it till his last game to make his own selfish political stand. God Riddance. Hope the team he's going to in Japan have seconds thoughts as he not a team player, as was seen on Saturday.
Not a team player, you're kidding me, not many are as passionate about things than TJ, yes it was wrong how he went about things, but a coward, says the person & i use that term, very loosely), is someone who is brave behind the keyboard...
For all these pundits saying politucs out of sport, etc I'm sure they dont mind the additional likes and subscribers as a direct result of TJ's Haka. Maybe they should be thanking him??
Look to the past AB backlines. We always had a really strong 12.13 and great wingers and Full backs. And Halves that had the X factor ,Or could stand up again from super to test level. But we haven't got one in the backs that can even get close maybe except Talea or Jordan.,
I have no issues with tj and haka with the political issues etc, i have no sympathy for politicians. Its up to the ppl in nz to speak up and use any form available to them. Good on him I wouldve done the same, if the pollies can't handle the jandal then politics is not for them
Good if anyone uses the national team for politics then it denagrates the brand and obviously you would be happy if the embarrassing joke called the haka was banned
I get your point, however sport and politics never mix. It's fine if you share your views, but it should be outside of sports in your personal capacity. the moment politics gets its foot into sports, it's over for that sport. So i hope that never gets to that point.
I don’t get the fuss about TJs haka. The proposed bill has been introduced deliberately to fan the flames of a divisive topic. His response was a call to unity and principles that we share. People are being so dramatic.
umm the haka videos get way more views than any of the games 😂 and if you read the comments most people like it 🤣 so you are obviously a minority who we dont care about 😂
Rieko messed up going into the centres, no overseas team will contract him adapter the last couple of seasons as a below average midfielder.his support group just lie to him
I don’t agree with TJ using the ABs platform to voice his personal political opinion, but to think the ABs have not been used as a political tool or by a political system is naive, for example, Muldoon and the Boks tour in the 80’s and the NZRU not sending Maori and Pacific Island players to SA back in the day to appease the mortally unjust apartheid system of government.
I would like to know what the person 'leading' the haka is saying. Is there a script they (he, she or it) follows? Is it discussed and approved, or just ad lib by the one who is yelling? Who understands it anyway? I don't and mostly kiwis don't speak Te Reo! Maybe the words should be put on the big screen so we all can know what is being said?
What arrogance from TJ ! Who does he think he is corrupting the haka and all black rugby for his own personal activism! Justin put the view on this point very well .
Ok, I'm an old Irish supporter who holds NZ rugby in high esteem. As a half Cornish half Irishman bred, I know the impact that relgion, politics and English law bring. So saying, I strongly feel that no sports person should ever use their sport as a platform to express any religious, political or ethnic views. I still vividly remember seeing two black athletes at the 1968 Olympic Games on the winners blocks; each man raised his fist in the Black Power salute. I was seven. It caused a furore. It was brazen racism. There is a time and a place TJ. Leading the NZ Haka is not the place. There's plenty of time for it in retirement fella. God bless yous and yours, Ann. God bless NZ.
@nielvanderwalt1965 folau expressed his views in his own personal time and not while wearing a Walabies jersey. He was also unjustly axed from the team, and Australian rugby still hasn't recovered.
@@nielvanderwalt1965TJ was the only one though….there many All Blacks that voiced their opinions on that matter…Brad Webber was livid and expressed his opinions as he has family in the LGBTQ community….
The haka videos get way more views than any of the games which shows you how popular it is even the comments the haters are only a minority that no one care about 😂 the haka is here to stay whether those losers like it or not
No hard men in the All Blacks Team. Too many softies. Gutless. Some of them look scared on the field. No solid crash tacklers in the forwards or the backs. Some of them don't even know how to do a good old fashion hard bone crushing crash tackle like Peter Steph Du Toit does. To preserve the All Blacks brand and mana they should call the All Blacks Team now " The New Zealand Team. " All the good old hard All Blacks players and their associated style of playing rugby are long dead and gone.
As a Springbok fan the Haka is a special sporting tradition unique in the world. If it becomes anything but a sporting challenge rather remove it. It’s actually ruined for me now. I hate politics in sport.
Thank goodness for politics and sport, Nelson Mandela thanked ABs and persons who participated in on field protests in 1981 are still held with high regard by a lot of Springbok fans.
@ That was not politics but about unification, about bringing the country together, don’t confuse personal one sided political opinion with unification.
@@charlerasmus5013 that is your choice but politics has always been a part of sports as history shows….As a Springboks fan how many black players do you think would playing now if politics was not involved in sports??
You forget Marty / Marshall that in the early 1920s they the All Blacks went on to tour South Africa they left behind George Nepia. All Māori players were left behind. Rugby has always been political from standing up for no nuclear testing to supporting the LBTG movement. So yes it has always been political.
Razor needs to stop going on about overseas players especially his pet boy Mounga it will undermine the confidence of encumbered players who are in looking over there shoulder thinking if there position in the team is safe so there fore he will lose the dressing shed.
Reiko could be a world class centre if he can work on his upper body strength so he can offload and pass better. Dont forget when Nonu first started he was written off and then become on the worlds best centre. Needs to get tips from Sonny Bill and the Professor
Tautoko Justin is oldschool no woke signaling or dog whistling leave at that haka and playing rugby should represent the team not the imagined culture that you think will support pro or anti of this government. Nga mihi nui its refreshing to listen to an old AB Marshall Mertens and Cullen and Lomu are from Uncle Dougs generation they know tradition has its place and its not about further adding on its about respect and keeping yourself and your team united in good spirits. In other words honour the black jersey All Blacks should not be imparted or given a slogan.
The all blacks are a new Zealand sporting team they should never be used to endorse a political view point of one of its team members, me personally don't like t.j pirinara's haka, he should never have lead any all black haka, i feel a sense of embarrassment with t.j's over the top facials and deep breathes its too exaggerated, i was surprised the all blacks management allowed him to continue leading the haka, i would of told him to tone it way down
What’s up with Marshy? Lishping badly. Reckon AB pack almost there but backline a bit of a dog’s dinner on O. Razor et al should back DMac 💯 but give him a proper midfield. Adios BB and JB, revert Rieko and Jordan to 11 and 14, bring on Proctor and Love at 13 and 15, and make Clarke the new Nonu. Simples…. sorted.
They have not got the best personnel in the backline. What are you talking about. We have a makeshift midfield that have no creativity, penetration or distribution skill. Enough of this bullshit. We have the outside backs but the rest is time for the new blood.
If hes got issues with nz stand outside parliament and protest. Not in the all black jersey. He is not the owner of the jersey. He is one of many that has played for the all blacks . And many well come in the future. It was a coward act
@ you’re probably right. Thou i played front row in taranaki until i was 42. And played for the lv of the game and my mates not for money. And protested in hong kong fighting the police there for freedom of its wonderful people . I didnt hide behind the all black jersey. Yeah your right mate.
if hes the best player put in that jersey on him thats the politics that got to go in rugby develop the right young talent not the chairmans son whats woke about that. its only a game love for home and country is all that matters
We need to have more mongrel and aggressive, we got no one right now bar Ardie that can stand up to the Marx, Etzebeth, Du Toit type players. We seem to always get smashed backwards by the top teams. Either that or we’re getting figured out and targeting the wrong channels to attack. It all starts in the forward pack
@@lewistapene7891 so next year 2025 we play the boks here in NZ and let’s see what Robertson team can do. They almost beat them twice in SA one game at altitude in his first year of building a new team
Reiko isn’t a centre and is the key problem
Bang on, give Proctor a go.
Rieko is a Fake Humble F.
Great defender tho Billy misses a few here an there still a Billy Jordie combo in a big match should have been given a go …not on Notthern tour tho Billy came home for new baby didn’t go back right?
The midfield has been lacking. Would love to see proctor, and maybe AJ Lam or Levi Amua pair up
@@RixMePleaseLevi aumua🤣🤣🤣
Love what your doing Matt. Always share. Keep doing what you do. From SA.
Hi Marty, I have just subscribed to you channel. I was a long time listener to radio sport and this has given me another avenue to hear and discuss All Black rugby. Cheers Aaron
Good to have you along
The officiating is a major issue. NH players fall all over the ball at the rucks to slow everything down, and they get away with it. Penalize this sort of behaviour and the ABs will get some go forward. Reiko needs to go, or at least be moved out to wing.
Referees and TMOs are ridiculous throughout other games as well, it’s not rugby like we used to watch so much stop start taking play back for something that happened 30 minutes ago these Refs can do what ever they want when they want
Now it’s team A vs Referees
I hear you brother, I totally fn agree...
Adapt.
@@nielvanderwalt1965the only way to adapt is if you know who your ref will be on the day coz you never know what your gonna get…
I find it quite comforting that our scrum and lineout is right up there what an insurance policy moving forward our maul defense has improved hugely too
Yes but you can not ignore or accept the masquerade performances. I'm sorry but Razor needs to attend a Toastmasters Course because he is a shocking public speaker.
We need a center pairing, this has been lacking for years
Coming up a decade - since we said goodbye to Nonu and Smith...
@stevegavin4853 unbelievable
We haven't had a 7 like McCaw, we haven't had a 10 like Carter....etc etc these were generational players and you can't just replace them, especially so many of them at once.
@@fidget2020 you've missed Richie Mounga
Yes Nonu & C Smith hard to replace I think we are still trying but not there yet. Maybe Jordy not quite there we need a specialist 2nd five & a pure centre but we haven't got that yet. Hopefully ABs find it soon but the guys that have been used have been OK.
From a Saffa, the reason that the pack has shown more improved play than the back in my opinion is this. Jason Ryan has been the forwards coach since the Ian Foster regime, this continuity bulits better cohesion and the trust you more as a coach. On a side note you mentioned the 1 wing position being unclaimed, put Reiko there and give Billy a decent go at 13. 💪
They take Billy Proctor and dont use him. Bros a Machine
I think we need him cos its not workin. An have to
Good on ya TJ👌🏽
The All Blacks have lost their mongrel players and they are all too nice and playing the social media game. Bring back some hard nosed no nonsense players that demand better than we are currently doing. Rieko has to go back to the wing and it’s time for a new 12 and 13 combo.
Agreed. 100.
Agree, we get smashed behind the gain line way too many times
@@darveed62 👍🏽
No. Ian Foster began to normalize All Black losses, saying 'the All Blacks are just another team'.
These AB's have to snap out of the 'acceptable loss' mindset
We have lost plenty in recent past too everyone beat us in 70s 80s and 90s we lost plenty games and it is way more competitive nowadays everyone would agree on that I reckon
beejallison8283
You don’t understand kid. It’s was Nz first lost to Ireland Foster and Hansen
First and second loss to Argentina
First series loss to Ireland at home and the big drop in winning percentages from 77% to 60 some
Until he got Razors coaching staff they improved a bit
He got 3 firsts 😳
The other teams are definitely improving but does that mean the top team stops improving?
I don’t think so or are ABs going backwards
If anything normalised all blacks losses it was the scoreboard
@ we drew with a way worse Pumas team in the early 80s we lost every tri nations game in 98 Aussie had our number at various different periods mid 80s early 90s early 2000s Boks had our number for awhile there after 07 old Laurie list a heap of games ore 95 lost to Munster in the 70s too …and Ireland Argentina teams today are way way better than previously
In other words dont be like saffas we are different every game matters saying its ok to lose is a loser mindset
Marshy is right. Decision making and experience is 👍🏼 It is moments
Excellent work Marty, and Justin, love your mature views. TJ crossed a line, and NZ rugby should not let that happen again.
The problem is, TJ has now retired from AB's - so it's not like saying you will be banned from AB's - for making political [let alone divisive] statements on the field. Perhaps new rules stating Future career bans, plus loss of years salary...
TJ is a great All Black. The Haka is a Maori expression. Marshal is old white man telling Maori what they can and cant do. Good on TJ.
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Yo momma lol
@@Albert_Br Don't you see. The AB's Already Had the Maori expression: it is called The Haka.
There was no need to to insult non-Maori, as in 'Get Out of Aotearoa you invading White Honky'
Then keep the Haka for when you Maoris get together. Why subject the rest of rugby world to it
All Blacks should make statements in their personal time.......like when richie mcCaw and other ABs fronted promo material for John key in an AB jersey...like that time the players donned coloured laces to support rainbow community...like that time the All Blacks left their Maori players back home to enjoy their personal time while the team flew to play in apartheid south africa...like all those times ABs wear a poppy on their sleeve...like how the NZR monetize maori culture and use of haka for branding...
just a maori / brown thing. NZ Europeans have so much say and influence over everything. Even including how our names or mis-pronounced every single game. Sometimes you get one guy's name said incorrectly 3 or 4 different ways.
people need to stop being so precious and sensitive, wake up and realize that TJ's heritage his history, is weaved through the history and heritage of this country. And we are all sharing in that
tu meke TJ
Keep praising a guy that lied and deceived his coach and teammates, who destroyed the Mana of all haka for the majority of New Zealanders. Who damaged their employer, who had paid him millions. Who waited until the last game so he could leave everyone in the sh*t and bugger off like a complete coward. Who disrespected the Italians in their own country. Who advocated for racial supremacy during a sports match and spat in the face on the majority of Kiwis.
What a man to praise, and it says a lot about the people that make up the anti-bill movement to be honest, if you think all the actions performed above are somehow praiseworthy.
But but.. then TJ isnt more special than the rest of us??
@@thefabulousplatypus8956 are you asking or telling ?
Completely agree, well said.
Agree with you 💯…..don’t forget protests from an AB captain that didn’t want to play SA when they toured NZ back in the day
Change our mid-field problem solved!!
great show hello from south Africa
If Henry and Hansen were coaching the All Blacks in 2024, their winning % would be much lower than the 85% they had. All teams are much better defensively now especially with rush defense. All Blacks don’t get the space to score tries like in the past as a result. Even during the great All Blacks era we lost to South Africa 3 times in 1 year in 2009. 2009 had 4 losses including 2 lost at home. The 85% win rate is never coming back because the sport is far more competitive than its ever been. All teams have access to modern coaching and training systems. McCaw would be heavily scrutinised in this TMO era.
Always been a fan of your sporting analysis and the guests you get Martin. So glad to see you leave The Platform.
Picking Shannon Frizell from Japan would have meant we would not have uncovered Wallace Sititi, so the overseas player debate is a tough one. Imagine if Wallace opted to play for Samoa in the World Cup because he was not willing to wait for his chance to be an AB for three more years.
NZ Rugby would need to follow the Aussie approach after a certain number of tests then eligible to play for the AB's, otherwise there is a risk of a mass exit of young players
Unfortunately you guys don’t appreciate how far the AB’s have come since Razor took over….
Wouldve given them a D. They lost to arg in nz again and lost 2 tests where they were more than 10 points ahead and were in charge. So season is at best a D.
Even SA lost to Argentina and NZ are the only side that can beat Ireland regularly btw they only missed out on a clean sweep by 1 point
Couod i ask a question please. Is it legal to try kick the ball or interrupt the pass from the halfback by kicking at it?
Thank you
Why do you need Richie Mounga ? To be an average player all year and cost us another World Cup ? He had his chance for 7 years and he failed miserably. A good SR player and that’s his level
I have no idea what you are talking about.
@ watch more rugby
Yep he’s really over rated
I agree hes overated had a chance to win the world cup for us last year but missed the kick he would normally get great players make it count when it really matters.
Good on ya Marty, I wasn't going to subscribe to your new channel but I reluctantly clicked the video and was pleasantly surprised with you being forthcoming with your TJ views. I am now a subscriber
Razor gad a good year reckon things a looking very bright set piece was fantastic and we def looked bit vulnerable there pre Jason I reckon and that is a fantastic place build from go ABs 25!! Chur TJ and Sam!!
We're blessed with great sport broadcasters.
I’m really keen to see Billy proctor paired with Jordie B.
Get rid of Rieko
look above
Nah, swap him with Caleb, put Rieko back on the wing where he should've been at the start, the whole Rieko at centre experiment was a huge flop...
Does lester fainganuku play same position as Reiko? If so, get him back to nz for selection and do a clean swap and drop Reiko.
@@Spencer-z6kCaleb can't defend on the wing and you wan t to throw him into the centre? Pass. 😢
In 2025 ,Razor wont have more excuses. He said that in 2024 , he learned the job. In 2025 , he must win all the titles and tests marches.
Wayne smith must be assistant coach and it is nécessaires for him.
Well said Justin
Myttin da, Marty. You do a bloody fine show. Top analysis from, modern-thinking, vastly experienced former ABs are always insightful and most-times great craic, too. Shame Ngani Laumape left the scene. His absence left a glaring hole where a line-breaking power-house 12 went missing, imo. The mid-field lacks "Boom", for want of a better word. The wings and full-backs are lacking decent space to work in.
Our forward pack is only just on par with the top teams and can't make up for the lack of cutting edge of our backline. In fact, our pack is undersized and underpowered in the breakdown compared to France and S Africa and only just achieves parity in the set piece. Our backline suffers from a lack of a outright speed merchant in the wings and a lack of a proper distributor and crash ball in the centres and all our first choice fly halves are converted 15s rather than natural no 10s.
Two things, I was surprised to read that others also believe Reiko is not a great choice for Center. He rarely breaks the ops line and often loses the ball in contact. Razor find someone bigger and stronger and quick. Second thing I was very disappointed with TJ who I always considered to be a gentleman and a very good player.
Looking forward Marty what we need to find next year is big and powerful numbers six and eight . We have the slightly smaller and very mobile loose forwards .In the backs we need to select more naturally creative midfield backs . Barrett and Ioane are strong running players but not naturally creative which is restricting the progress of this team .AS for picking players from overseas i am against it . WE still have a strong production line of producing quality players . The art of selection is as important as coaching and i believe that in NZ the players are there you just have to look hard
Loose forwards went well tho right lotsa line breaks and turnovers won lineout went good scrum solid as… none of our boys getting g smashed out there ?
Keep your eye on landers 6 Oliver Haig
@@beejallison8283 Yes what you say there is true but when it comes to meters gained when we carry the ball that is where we have vast room for improvement . In one test against SA we both had the same amount of carries but they made one hundred meters more with there carries that is not acceptable if you want to win big games
@@danhursty6684 Yes i have heard that he has potential and i have also heard that Will Stoddard also from the Landers is another player to keep an eye on . Both of these players have the physical attributes that the selectors should be looking for . Lets hope they deliver big time next year it would be great for NZ rugby
@ France just beat us in less defenders beaten line breaks run meters possession territory possession for me I’m agreeing with Razor on this key moments not executed at key times to many times
I heard the NZRU chose to tour South Africa with out Maori or PI is that right?
@@brandstefff Have you seen who plays for the ABs? Maori, PI and Pakeha. We’re all there…. in the national team.
First, Reiko at center is the problem the lads not a center!!!second, Politicizing the haka was quite disappointing. Really enjoying the new channel thanks Marty!
"Politicizing" cry more
Campese had the answer.
Rugby needs another Nonu or Umaga... that should change a few things
thanks for having the balls Justin to make that call even if it was diluted for this woke press.
Whys Marshall suddenly got a lisp?
There is no specialist fullback. GO THE MIGHTY ALL BLACKS.
That is at rugby games at international venues.
The Devlin of old would've ripped Perenara a new one. GO WOKE GO BROKE Marty!
Why do our coaches and commentators have a blind spot when talking about Rieko Ioane? He is not a center and never has been. He has no eye for space, can't put his outside players into space, and doesn't have the distribution skills to service his back three. Look at the replays of our wingers' tries this year, and you'll see that the vast majority were created for them by other players....Rieko looked like a lost extra on a movie set. You can add to that the number of times he spilled the ball or knocked on in contact...often between the opposition's 22 and 40. His only saving grace is his defense, especially near our line...which has been excellent.
We always talk about TJ being Maori and how proud he is to be one...fair enough. His mother doesn't have a drop of Maori blood in her as far as I know and I grew up with her and her whanau in Titahi Bay. His Nana is Pat Farrow a NZ softball representative back in the day as are both his parents and his mother's brother - he really should have been an international softball rep - luckily he chose rugby. Do you think he would have these views and made these sorts of statements if it meant excluding his pakeha Nana! I think, and know, not! He loves her as much as any grandchild ever has and would never disrespect this lovely lady. Its time that NZ media did some real investigative journalism to find out who people truly are, and in this case TJ, and not what they think they represent. He would never disrespect his Nana or his mum...pity you so called media missed all of that!
Bro it was Nana who told him to do it! 😂
Well he had absolutely no issues with lying to and deceiving his team mates and coach, or with severely diminishing the mana of all haka in the eyes of the majority of Kiwis. So most people now just see him as completely untrustworthy and utterly selfish, a man who sh't on the only Maori cultural export that actually has some fame in the broader world.
Your argument still doesn't give him the right to use the All Blacks for a personal political stunt.
Especially in front of an Italian crowd and team who know nothing about what he's screaming his head off about or know anything about the Treaty.
With so many assistance coaches which one is accountable for our back line attack?
We are now at point in time now where the forward pack brings more excitement than our backline...are ee England in disguise....in disguissse are we England in disguise
Seriously if i hear we are building or still figuring out how to deal with rush defence again im going to call John Mitchell to see if he wants to reapply!
Sick of these excuses.
im not sure razor knows how to figure out this puzzle.
Well saId in TJ, marshy. Nailed it.
ABs Haka has put a curse on the team
Dump this garbage haka
You might win games
Always here for you Marty
There you are.
Thanks lot to like. Think bit silly thinkin so good. Were not yet. But yre is what is. An gettin better really. Cheers
Just needs a change!
To win another World Cup (a pipe dream at present) NZRFU must lose the Stone Age tag and start selecting eligible overseas players.
Great idea then even the slightly more well off clubs from overseas would be here taking anybody who could even catch a ball that would make super rugby, provincial and club rugby even more off a joke
Surely if the haka is to be used as a tool for political expediency, that,is reason enough to have it banned.
Need our overseas players especially 9 10 two most important positions. If it’s working for everyone else 🤷🏼♂️ Keep pushing grassroots and club players through
Give razor one more year his results should tell us a lot
We need another Nonu Smith combo good hard running THINKING PLAYERS you can’t teach that and just robot players that just go with the flow we want players that make plays happen out of nothing when it’s needed
Ritchie Mouanga
B Barret
Maa Nonu
Conrad smith type shiit ✊
The overseas selection process....as a professional footballer, you should be able to play for your country and make a buck doing something you love, right, well under these certain circumstances and those situations.....utter bullshit, no other way to describe it ahahaha......
As an outsider(not from NZ), I don't understand the coloniser's perspective on this. A Moari guy used a Maori challenge to make a statement about a big issue the Maori people are facing right now.
He is allowed to use the Haka for that. If not, then that means the Haka has been appropriated by the All Blacks and no longer belongs to the Maori to use how they see fit.
But Maori are the colonizers
@@Canvashed I don't understand how this comment answers why they can't use their Haka the way they see fit?
This is not the platform for his personal stance, he represents the AB's not TJ, a selfish act..good ridance to him
@@craigrodger3628 Firstly, it wasn't a personal stance but a Maori stance. Secondly, it was a Maori stance expressed during a Maori challenge.
If NZR doesn't want Maori's to use what's theirs to express their views, remove the Haka from the ABs. Until then, Maori's can do what they want with what's theirs.
@@rubain you have to understand outside of NZ.
For me the Haka just delays the start to a rugby match, it isn't a given that it is performed on foreign soil but it is allowed out of respect.
Imagine watching Ireland v NZ, 3 national anthems, then a Haka. 20 mins of your life you never get back
wellington were unstoppable in them laumaiipe spelling days at 12 id try clarke first direct wins
just not all the time thou make them tackle tired first clarke short ball then let get it too the special player rieko stats wise in lomu s jersey and get behind our maori boy try scoring machinejordan aswell barrett can do it all
Peranara lied to his captain and coach on what he was going to do. He's a coward, he left it till his last game to make his own selfish political stand. God Riddance. Hope the team he's going to in Japan have seconds thoughts as he not a team player, as was seen on Saturday.
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@@wassa1609 did he?
Not a team player, you're kidding me, not many are as passionate about things than TJ, yes it was wrong how he went about things, but a coward, says the person & i use that term, very loosely), is someone who is brave behind the keyboard...
For all these pundits saying politucs out of sport, etc I'm sure they dont mind the additional likes and subscribers as a direct result of TJ's Haka. Maybe they should be thanking him??
If Richie was available.
We would have won every game.
We won the first game against BOKKE.
Ref fucked up.
He was demoted after that game
Correct Marsy
Look to the past AB backlines. We always had a really strong 12.13 and great wingers and Full backs. And Halves that had the X factor ,Or could stand up again from super to test level. But we haven't got one in the backs that can even get close maybe except Talea or Jordan.,
Politically put Justin Marshall! We all agree though.
I have no issues with tj and haka with the political issues etc, i have no sympathy for politicians. Its up to the ppl in nz to speak up and use any form available to them. Good on him I wouldve done the same, if the pollies can't handle the jandal then politics is not for them
You must be a selfish, narcissistic racist too then
Good if anyone uses the national team for politics then it denagrates the brand and obviously you would be happy if the embarrassing joke called the haka was banned
I get your point, however sport and politics never mix. It's fine if you share your views, but it should be outside of sports in your personal capacity. the moment politics gets its foot into sports, it's over for that sport.
So i hope that never gets to that point.
@ totally agree
So if some ABs are pro Bill next year and want to incorporate that into the Haka it’s ok hey?
With all due respect Marshy how was Josh Crusher Kronfeld any different from TJ when he was wearing his anti nuclear headgare
I don’t get the fuss about TJs haka. The proposed bill has been introduced deliberately to fan the flames of a divisive topic. His response was a call to unity and principles that we share. People are being so dramatic.
Bullshit it was. TJ is a race hustler from way back.
Most of the world are just yoo polite to really say what they think of the haka. Keep it at home
umm the haka videos get way more views than any of the games 😂 and if you read the comments most people like it 🤣 so you are obviously a minority who we dont care about 😂
Youre a minority that none of us care about so keep crying love it 😂.
Rieko messed up going into the centres, no overseas team will contract him adapter the last couple of seasons as a below average midfielder.his support group just lie to him
I don’t agree with TJ using the ABs platform to voice his personal political opinion, but to think the ABs have not been used as a political tool or by a political system is naive, for example, Muldoon and the Boks tour in the 80’s and the NZRU not sending Maori and Pacific Island players to SA back in the day to appease the mortally unjust apartheid system of government.
I would like to know what the person 'leading' the haka is saying. Is there a script they (he, she or it) follows? Is it discussed and approved, or just ad lib by the one who is yelling? Who understands it anyway? I don't and mostly kiwis don't speak Te Reo! Maybe the words should be put on the big screen so we all can know what is being said?
What arrogance from TJ ! Who does he think he is corrupting the haka and all black rugby for his own personal activism! Justin put the view on this point very well .
Yet tj was running his mouth when folau expressed his views.
Ok, I'm an old Irish supporter who holds NZ rugby in high esteem. As a half Cornish half Irishman bred, I know the impact that relgion, politics and English law bring. So saying, I strongly feel that no sports person should ever use their sport as a platform to express any religious, political or ethnic views. I still vividly remember seeing two black athletes at the 1968 Olympic Games on the winners blocks; each man raised his fist in the Black Power salute. I was seven. It caused a furore. It was brazen racism. There is a time and a place TJ. Leading the NZ Haka is not the place. There's plenty of time for it in retirement fella. God bless yous and yours, Ann. God bless NZ.
@nielvanderwalt1965 folau expressed his views in his own personal time and not while wearing a Walabies jersey. He was also unjustly axed from the team, and Australian rugby still hasn't recovered.
@@handlemozartwell put. The AB’s has become weak, woke and a whore
@@nielvanderwalt1965TJ was the only one though….there many All Blacks that voiced their opinions on that matter…Brad Webber was livid and expressed his opinions as he has family in the LGBTQ community….
TJ was wrong, wearing an AB shirt, dont understand Marty! Dont make excuses, no one is questioning his ability but political crap is not on
TJ was right. He's doing a Maori haka. He has the right to make a Maori Haka that supports Maori.
It’s a Haka it’s an issue that involves Māori and he has earned the right I reckon
This is nothing new for All Blacks. Ignorance is alive and well in NZ. What these issues have highlighted if anything, is how racist NZ actually is.
Marshal is old man from Gore telling Maori what they can and cant do. lol. FO.
Politics have no place in sport. Yet it has a part in every other aspect in life.
Backs. Think we got good players there not gettin shot. Thanx
10 out of 14 is a pass but not 100%
Can’t fault your maths!
I won’t watch or support All Blacks anymore because the haka was politicised. The haka is now devisive
The haka videos get way more views than any of the games which shows you how popular it is even the comments the haters are only a minority that no one care about 😂 the haka is here to stay whether those losers like it or not
No hard men in the All Blacks Team. Too many softies. Gutless. Some of them look scared on the field. No solid crash tacklers in the forwards or the backs. Some of them don't even know how to do a good old fashion hard bone crushing crash tackle like Peter Steph Du Toit does. To preserve the All Blacks brand and mana they should call the All Blacks Team now " The New Zealand Team. " All the good old hard All Blacks players and their associated style of playing rugby are long dead and gone.
I never realised Justin Marshall had a lisp. But lovely was his pass and glorious was his hair.
He doesn't it only on this channel for some reason , listen to his podcast or his commentary... no lisp 🤔
He doesn't normally so I wonder if alcohol or concussion is getting the better of him, Ian Jones is the same.
I think lovely Marshy has new dentures, familiar , been there
As a Springbok fan the Haka is a special sporting tradition unique in the world. If it becomes anything but a sporting challenge rather remove it. It’s actually ruined for me now. I hate politics in sport.
Thank goodness for politics and sport, Nelson Mandela thanked ABs and persons who participated in on field protests in 1981 are still held with high regard by a lot of Springbok fans.
@ That was not politics but about unification, about bringing the country together, don’t confuse personal one sided political opinion with unification.
Maybe but Haka should be done in NZ only. Has nothing to do with rest of us
@@charlerasmus5013 that is your choice but politics has always been a part of sports as history shows….As a Springboks fan how many black players do you think would playing now if politics was not involved in sports??
Aotearoa New Zealand
You forget Marty / Marshall that in the early 1920s they the All Blacks went on to tour South Africa they left behind George Nepia. All Māori players were left behind. Rugby has always been political from standing up for no nuclear testing to supporting the LBTG movement. So yes it has always been political.
Razor needs to stop going on about overseas players especially his pet boy Mounga it will undermine the confidence of encumbered players who are in looking over there shoulder thinking if there position in the team is safe so there fore he will lose the dressing shed.
ball handling timing and togetherness one family under one flag wininng recipe trust us
Reiko could be a world class centre if he can work on his upper body strength so he can offload and pass better. Dont forget when Nonu first started he was written off and then become on the worlds best centre. Needs to get tips from Sonny Bill and the Professor
9roigard 10dmac 12clark13proctor 14jordan 15bbarret rieko ?telea 11
who can get that 11 first
Tautoko Justin is oldschool no woke signaling or dog whistling leave at that haka and playing rugby should represent the team not the imagined culture that you think will support pro or anti of this government. Nga mihi nui its refreshing to listen to an old AB Marshall Mertens and Cullen and Lomu are from Uncle Dougs generation they know tradition has its place and its not about further adding on its about respect and keeping yourself and your team united in good spirits. In other words honour the black jersey All Blacks should not be imparted or given a slogan.
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Shuddup dummy
TJ has brought the ABs in to disrepute. That was no challenge to the Italians but a political statement
TJ has made himself look bad , and when you get to big for the game you go to Japan 🇯🇵 stay there TJ
Mild and muted disapproval of Perenara by Marshall. Oh well
The all blacks are a new Zealand sporting team they should never be used to endorse a political view point of one of its team members, me personally don't like t.j pirinara's haka, he should never have lead any all black haka, i
feel a sense of embarrassment with t.j's over the top facials and deep breathes its too exaggerated, i was surprised the all blacks management allowed him to continue leading the haka, i would of told him to tone it way down
What’s up with Marshy? Lishping badly.
Reckon AB pack almost there but backline a bit of a dog’s dinner on O. Razor et al should back DMac 💯 but give him a proper midfield. Adios BB and JB, revert Rieko and Jordan to 11 and 14, bring on Proctor and Love at 13 and 15, and make Clarke the new Nonu. Simples…. sorted.
Perenara was a disgrace introducing politics intthe Haka.
They have not got the best personnel in the backline. What are you talking about. We have a makeshift midfield that have no creativity, penetration or distribution skill. Enough of this bullshit. We have the outside backs but the rest is time for the new blood.
naah good on you TJ proud of my brother.. these ballheads dont know the true meaning of a Haka..
If hes got issues with nz stand outside parliament and protest. Not in the all black jersey. He is not the owner of the jersey. He is one of many that has played for the all blacks . And many well come in the future. It was a coward act
bet u wouldnt say it to his face
@ you’re probably right. Thou i played front row in taranaki until i was 42. And played for the lv of the game and my mates not for money. And protested in hong kong fighting the police there for freedom of its wonderful people . I didnt hide behind the all black jersey. Yeah your right mate.
justin give razor a ring bro
If SA can transcend politics anyone can.
watch rugby f politics
if hes the best player put in that jersey on him thats the politics that got to go in rugby develop the right young talent not the chairmans son whats woke about that. its only a game love for home and country is all that matters
they say we got no speed out side i say nah their all tired afta 12 pick and go s
akward pause coz the wingers are always by the ruck
We need to have more mongrel and aggressive, we got no one right now bar Ardie that can stand up to the Marx, Etzebeth, Du Toit type players. We seem to always get smashed backwards by the top teams. Either that or we’re getting figured out and targeting the wrong channels to attack. It all starts in the forward pack
@@lewistapene7891 so next year 2025 we play the boks here in NZ and let’s see what Robertson team can do. They almost beat them twice in SA one game at altitude in his first year of building a new team
marshall use to always shit me now hes been taken over by goldie hes so depressing in his comments