The springs in the clutch pressure plate are to absorb the shocks / vibrations coming from the crankshaft. Pressure plates without springs are far more robust and are therefore used for reliability rather than comfort. Source: Gilo Engineering Johannesburg.
A very young Paolo Stanzani actually rode with Ferruccio Lamborghini in his Ferrari 250gt while on their way to Pirelli headquarters. Stanzani talks about this adventure in an interview with Davide Cironi here on UA-cam. It's such a great story! And it shows just how crafty really Ferruccio was...😉
How I wish I was there, sitting across from them sipping on a cup of tea listening to these masters of their craft…truly it doesn’t get better than that ☺️
Now that you've got some concrete data to back up the story, are you going to repeat the experiment and try that Ferrari with both types of clutch? That would be a pretty historic piece of automotive historical reenactment! Using the actual car he used back in 1961!
Next week - Ian discovers where Lord Lucan currently lives and gives an update on the wherabouts of Shergar! In all honesty, it s a fascinating story. Keep up the good work
Conversations of this ilk are just so fascinating. An absolute treat to sit and watch two great men discussing various subjects and in this instance solving a long term mystery. Thank you both for bringing us this wonderful piece. Cheers, Bob
Great video, I'm really loving the historical stuff when you have guests on like Enzo Ferrari's personal assistant, Mr. H and his Lagonda Vantage, and Olivier. You should do more Lamborghini history videos with Olivier whenever you can. I hope you'll do a further video to explain why Lamborghini's tractor clutch was better. 👍
I Guess all that is left to do is Rebuild the Ferrari with the Lamborghini clutch, to see how it Drives and Complete the Car back to how Ferruccio Lamborghini wanted it!! Great investigation guys, really enjoyed listening to you both!
Tyrrell we need these seat-ins with expect like Olivier once a week please is super informative. And for Production Team, please write their names on the screen
Fascinating bit of sleuthing. Shows one can save a lot of money on parts such as clutches which car manufacturers buy in. A Sachs clutch is a Sachs clutch. If Ferrarri buy it from Sachs and put it in a nice Ferrarri box, they will sell it to you at a heavy mark up. If you buy it in a Sachs box, it will be exactly the same part and much cheaper. Once it's fitted to the car, nobody can tell it is not an OEM part. I found this out when I had a Saab 99 Turbo. I took out the old, original clutch and it was stamped Borg & Beck, with a part number. I looked it up and found that it was the same one that was specified for a 2 litre Transit. Buying it in a B&B box cost me a quarter the price it would have cost had I got it from Saab in a nice blue and white Saab box.
A great story of two legends, a tad curious and a question is, is the splines the same an if so who is the gearbox manufacturers of the two and is anything/dimensions else shared ?
Nice Job! However, I'm not sure it was the plate that got replaced. I don't know exactly what Ferruccio was unhappy about. But if the issue was too harsh of a clutch, then chances are they replaced the mechanism rather than the plate, especially by one without without springs in the hub to absorb vibrations. The mechanism is the one that determines the pressure that needs to be applied for the clutch to operate. Diameter is important for the mechanism too, as obviously, it has to match the plate and the flywheel. It would be interesting to procure a mechanism and see if it can be fitted in the 250.
Wonderful and very intriguing from a historical factual point of view since myths have more than often been built upon a tendency of basal inflated story telling narratives. This certainly does clear up matters. Thank you both Iain and Olivier.
Maybe I missed it, but what was it about the tractor clutch that made it better than the clutch Ferrari used? Also not clear if only the friction disc was swapped or if the pressure plate was swapped as well. Curious that the tractor disc is not spring loaded like the Ferrari disc. Would think that would make the clutch more difficult to operate. Do we know what was Lamborghini's complaint? Was it ease of operation or slipping under load? Sure is to e to have you gents doing the research after all these years. Feels like actual history is being made.
What i still don't understand is what story about Mr. Lamborghini and Enzo is true?? Did they meet at the restaurant and have discussion there about the clutch? Or was it like in the movie, outside of the plant with Enzo entering his Silver Cloud? Or the other story that Ian mentioned on another video that Mr. Lamborghini went to the Ferrari factory to speak to Enzo and was held in the office for 4 plus hours only to be told to leave the factory when Enzo didn't want to come out to speak to him??? Ian mentioned that the last story was told to him by a relative(can't remember which one) when meeting with him on a recent visit? I really would love to know the real story about that one.
A really interesting video which I enjoyed. However I can’t help but feel it only answers half the question, yes Lamborghini had a 9 inch tractor clutch in the early 60s that would have fitted the 250 GT but is it any better than the original Ferrari clutch? Is there anything design wise about the tractor clutch that would make it more suitable to the task in hand? This might be obvious to the experts but not the layman
They didn't clutch, they took the bull by the horns, they put the whole operation into gear, they went full bore, with great traction they did spring into action. Well done lads! 18:32
Although I'll never be able to afford one of these cars it's still lovely to see the history of such a historic event in the genesis of Lamborghini get pieced together by such knowledgable gentlemen 👋 The cherry on the cake would be for the two of you to be able to back to back test the two different clutches in that very car at some point. Even better if one of the Lamborghini family were present too. Back to dreaming!
Amazing team work on one of the most important stories in automotive history! Now the question is, when you restore the GT are you going to put in the Ferrari clutch or the Lamborghini tractor clutch? With the story of this car I almost think it has to be the tractor clutch. Amazing work!
But what made the tractor clutch better? Just looking at the two at the end the Ferrari one looked better so why wasn't it? In fact, do we even know that Feruccio's clutch was better than the one that came with the 250 GT?
You did not mention it in the video, but i assume that you have confirmed that the splines for the gearbox inputshaft on the clutches are identical aswell? Great work by the way, and so cool to see such a mythical story being confirmed. Very impressive.
Can you cover what the exact problems were with the Ferrari clutch and (presumably) how the Lamborghini clutch resolved the issues. Did the lamborghini clutch actually resolve the issues?
Parts sharing goes on even more so today but certainly happened years ago , especially with small volume hand built manufacturers. It makes no sense to “tool up” to internally make certain parts if you are only making so few cars in a week , the price would have been off the scale , especially as parts are already available from larger manufacturing sources that “ do the job’ . A Ferrari Daytona 365GTB4 uses a handbrake lever from a Fiat 125 , the Ferrari GTS Spyder from the 1960s uses doors from a Fiat 1500 cabriolet, series 1 Lotus Esprit’s used rear light clusters from a Fiat x19 , the Lancia Stratos has suspension parts from some bread and butter Fiat models. Aston Martins with their DB series models did exactly the same.
As the whole era of real, petrol-fueled cars is slowly coming to a grinding halt; this is the kind of YT vids I get excited about. As a **** you to the whole EV-industry, my latest car is an MX-5 ND softtop and it's a hoot. My neighbours probably hate me for blasting it to life every working-day morning at 06 15.
My kind of man. Did something similar. An old 911 running no cats and GT3 exhaust. Very loud. very angry. Very "improper." I always wanted one. The thought that I'm pissing off EV drivers as I enjoy driving it is icing on the cake.
@@overbuiltlimited .... Don't worry about the whole EV industry scam, it will soon be put aside and hydrogen fuel will be the next big thing for the automotive industry. Elon Musk has already anounced that Tesla will be moving to Hydrogen fueled power trains. Fact.
These are the kind of videos why I am the opinion that youtube shouldn't be operated from a purely kapitalistic point, I mean this is valueable, knowledge for all humans. It should be - at least at part - governed by a foundation.
Absolutely fantastic ❤ what wonderful fact finding research, you 2 could be the new Dempsey and Makepeace although iam not sure who would play who, great detective work guys 👍
Fascinating. However, I cannot see why Mr. Lamborghini would want a solid clutch disc. In my experience, they are quite rough. I am sure he had his reasons, it would be interesting to know.
Ian continuation of the clutch mystery curiosity was clutch a coil spring or as of later diaphragm great insight to the sports car rivalry great and great program. Suggestion get top gear rubbish off and bring on Tyrell’s top gear
so im guessing the tractor clutch had an improved friction material ? Not to be critical but Sachs would be a last resort choice for reasons i wont go into......
I haven't quite got all of the conclusions regarding the respective clutches ?. Was it that they are all Sachs clutches but the Lambhorghini spec tractor clutch was the same diameter centre plate but with a stronger springed cover ?.Which would make sense for the tractor application.But might have just made the pedal action a bit heavier ?. While Lamborghini also used the superior combination of wishbone suspension front and rear.While personally I think the 350/400 GT was also the best looking compared to both the E type and the 250.
@@iain_tyrrell What a wonderful time it must have been to be the right age and with the resources to take advantage of that point in motoring history.With Jaguar, Ferrari and Lamborghini being rivals and peers.
Fascinating episode, thank you both. Would you please comment, from your technical experience side, just how the Lamborghini tractor clutch would have differed from that as supplied by Ferrari in terms of feel and drivability. Thanks
Somewhat as much as I love cars it's difficult to reconcile the fact that whilst cars such as this are "original" or touted as so many many parts over the years are changed, at times almost whole vehicles becoming mere images of originality. It's very much an unsaid thing, an "accepted" thing. Why? Isn't this a factor in valuation? It should be.
Hi Iain, from Sydney, Australia. God on you two for absolute proof of truth. Most enjoyable I bet for both the two of you. Re the non original engine. My mum's dad was an engineer, one of his slightly younger engineer friends married well & he commenced a business that repaired any mechanical part on the exotic cars of the 50's,60's, 70's & early 80's, in High St, Willoughby on the North Shore in Sydney. Millers Automotive Engineering. In Sydney the state dept health added fluoride to the city's water to stop tooth decay, a second job it performs is destroying yje water galleys of all alloy engines. The "old" guys that had the cash to buy new a 1960 Ferrari would not use distilled water and add inhibitor as well, jut merely grab the garden hose and top up the radiator, killing the engine way before its time. My & Pa's friend Les bought a number of "dead" Ferrari's years & years ago and stood them carefully aside. Obtaining at a later date perfect engines from matching cars in Europe which were put off the road to salt destroying the chassis & under superstructure. (the difference between 2 worlds) . One of them is a beautiful deep regency red cabriolet with ivory seats the same as Lamborghini's white coupe. It had belonged to a Sydney GM dealer originally from Norway, Gunnar Sundl. Rescued by Les it exists today 50years later along with another DOZEN beautiful Ferrari's from the grand era of front engine & rear wheel drive all mistreated by their owners, who would have back then all been born in the period just prior to the motor car being invented. They were SO MEAN in paying for the correct oil, green fluid for the radiator or distilled water. I mean really why buy the darned car unless you really love it & cherish it
I had been waiting for this episode with baited breath, but I have 2 questions.. 1- is the shaft size and style the same on both clutches, or was it necessary to switch the centre section? 2- Without the springs, how would that affect drivability?
Solid-centered clutches are a little tricky to engage smoothly, as they feel more like an on-off switch, rather than a progressive clutch. This tends to induce more violent driveline shunting if you're not really smooth with your gear changes. That said, it's also a crisper feeling without those springs to soak up the initial force when you drop the clutch or pin the throttle. I've driven with both, and while the more progressive cush-drive is nice for everyday road driving, I'd much rather have the solid any time I'm looking to have a red-hot go of it.
So funny to hear about Lamborghini starting his own Supercar company due to an issue with a Ferrari clutch - When you consider the amount of work, time, effort and cost that it takes, just to change the clutch in a Lamborghini Countach!
To summarize for you : Lamborghini bought a Ferrari but didn’t like the clutch. He approached Ferrari with a better clutch and a business partnership but was rebuffed. Lamborghini started his own automobile manufacturing company.
Additionally, the car that Iain is reviewing is that very Ferrari originally owned by Lamborghini that had the clutch that inspired Lamborghini to start building his own cars, LAMBORGHINI !!
Unmatched content! That car should be displayed at the Lamborghini factory Museum, its such a important part of their history.
This takes the whole Clutch Mystery to a new level. This is GREAT!!!
I’ve just spent 20 mins watching two blokes talking about a clutch, and thoroughly enjoyed it
It's so well done and incredibly interesting isnt it!😁👌
Rather look at them doing work on some cars or a review of a classic. Or watch paint dry.
I’m the same with 70% of these clips. I’m the least mechanical minded person here in my 40’s and enjoy learning the history of some of the Cars.
Just love the passion of the 2 👍💪
You have to remember early men discussed a mere stick.Its the way we are.
The springs in the clutch pressure plate are to absorb the shocks / vibrations coming from the crankshaft. Pressure plates without springs are far more robust and are therefore used for reliability rather than comfort.
Source: Gilo Engineering Johannesburg.
A very young Paolo Stanzani actually rode with Ferruccio Lamborghini in his Ferrari 250gt while on their way to Pirelli headquarters. Stanzani talks about this adventure in an interview with Davide Cironi here on UA-cam. It's such a great story! And it shows just how crafty really Ferruccio was...😉
I've laughed a lot on this story, about the damaged tyres.
On his first day at work
Yeah that bit was just hilarious 👍😂
What a way to start 👍👍😂
What's the address of this interview?
How I wish I was there, sitting across from them sipping on a cup of tea listening to these masters of their craft…truly it doesn’t get better than that ☺️
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Thank you, Sirs. This is an incredibly fascinating story.
Now that you've got some concrete data to back up the story, are you going to repeat the experiment and try that Ferrari with both types of clutch? That would be a pretty historic piece of automotive historical reenactment! Using the actual car he used back in 1961!
Yes!
Because my question is, are the splined hole the same?
All spoken of so far is just the diameter.
@@danthefrst indeed I was asking that through the video.
@@danthefrst The amount of splines is the same, so it's probably the same
Well worth the wait. ❤
When he was holding them next to each other the splined holes looked identical in diameter, depth and spline size/angle.
Am I dreaming? It's finally here. I waited a long time for this part two to come out. Hooray! Now, I'm gonna enjoy watching this video.
Next week - Ian discovers where Lord Lucan currently lives and gives an update on the wherabouts of Shergar! In all honesty, it s a fascinating story. Keep up the good work
Conversations of this ilk are just so fascinating. An absolute treat to sit and watch two great men discussing various subjects and in this instance solving a long term mystery.
Thank you both for bringing us this wonderful piece. Cheers, Bob
Absolutely brilliant automotive detective work on 2 of the biggest names out there. Thank you!!
Beautifully presented Iain, a very interesting piece of motoring history.
Hats off to everyone involved, the amount of research and time that's gone into this is astounding.
Great video, I'm really loving the historical stuff when you have guests on like Enzo Ferrari's personal assistant, Mr. H and his Lagonda Vantage, and Olivier. You should do more Lamborghini history videos with Olivier whenever you can. I hope you'll do a further video to explain why Lamborghini's tractor clutch was better. 👍
I Guess all that is left to do is Rebuild the Ferrari with the Lamborghini clutch, to see how it Drives and Complete the Car back to how Ferruccio Lamborghini wanted it!!
Great investigation guys, really enjoyed listening to you both!
Tyrrell we need these seat-ins with expect like Olivier once a week please is super informative. And for Production Team, please write their names on the screen
I love the investigations etc into these historic cars ....maybe you could do more on this type of subject content.
Fascinating bit of sleuthing. Shows one can save a lot of money on parts such as clutches which car manufacturers buy in. A Sachs clutch is a Sachs clutch. If Ferrarri buy it from Sachs and put it in a nice Ferrarri box, they will sell it to you at a heavy mark up. If you buy it in a Sachs box, it will be exactly the same part and much cheaper. Once it's fitted to the car, nobody can tell it is not an OEM part. I found this out when I had a Saab 99 Turbo. I took out the old, original clutch and it was stamped Borg & Beck, with a part number. I looked it up and found that it was the same one that was specified for a 2 litre Transit. Buying it in a B&B box cost me a quarter the price it would have cost had I got it from Saab in a nice blue and white Saab box.
Find the correct FIAT part and fit it to your Ferrari, such as an oil filter.
A great story of two legends, a tad curious and a question is, is the splines the same an if so who is the gearbox manufacturers of the two and is anything/dimensions else shared ?
Absolutely wonderful viewing and huge thanks for sharing
I recall in the 70's my Fathers Ferrari 365 had a clutch centre plate which was interchangeable with a Borg and Beck unit for a Bedford TK lorry .
Nice Job! However, I'm not sure it was the plate that got replaced. I don't know exactly what Ferruccio was unhappy about. But if the issue was too harsh of a clutch, then chances are they replaced the mechanism rather than the plate, especially by one without without springs in the hub to absorb vibrations. The mechanism is the one that determines the pressure that needs to be applied for the clutch to operate. Diameter is important for the mechanism too, as obviously, it has to match the plate and the flywheel. It would be interesting to procure a mechanism and see if it can be fitted in the 250.
Wonderful and very intriguing from a historical factual point of view since myths have more than often been built upon a tendency of basal inflated story telling narratives. This certainly does clear up matters. Thank you both Iain and Olivier.
Outstanding! How to make a clutch story into a piece that requires absolute concentration and peak interest.
Maybe I missed it, but what was it about the tractor clutch that made it better than the clutch Ferrari used?
Also not clear if only the friction disc was swapped or if the pressure plate was swapped as well.
Curious that the tractor disc is not spring loaded like the Ferrari disc. Would think that would make the clutch more difficult to operate. Do we know what was Lamborghini's complaint?
Was it ease of operation or slipping under load?
Sure is to e to have you gents doing the research after all these years. Feels like actual history is being made.
What i still don't understand is what story about Mr. Lamborghini and Enzo is true?? Did they meet at the restaurant and have discussion there about the clutch? Or was it like in the movie, outside of the plant with Enzo entering his Silver Cloud? Or the other story that Ian mentioned on another video that Mr. Lamborghini went to the Ferrari factory to speak to Enzo and was held in the office for 4 plus hours only to be told to leave the factory when Enzo didn't want to come out to speak to him??? Ian mentioned that the last story was told to him by a relative(can't remember which one) when meeting with him on a recent visit? I really would love to know the real story about that one.
A really interesting video which I enjoyed. However I can’t help but feel it only answers half the question, yes Lamborghini had a 9 inch tractor clutch in the early 60s that would have fitted the 250 GT but is it any better than the original Ferrari clutch? Is there anything design wise about the tractor clutch that would make it more suitable to the task in hand? This might be obvious to the experts but not the layman
What a riveting story! You certainly are not clutching at Straws! Well done to you both and Bravo!!
They didn't clutch, they took the bull by the horns, they put the whole operation into gear, they went full bore, with great traction they did spring into action. Well done lads! 18:32
Although I'll never be able to afford one of these cars it's still lovely to see the history of such a historic event in the genesis of Lamborghini get pieced together by such knowledgable gentlemen 👋
The cherry on the cake would be for the two of you to be able to back to back test the two different clutches in that very car at some point. Even better if one of the Lamborghini family were present too. Back to dreaming!
Amazing team work on one of the most important stories in automotive history! Now the question is, when you restore the GT are you going to put in the Ferrari clutch or the Lamborghini tractor clutch? With the story of this car I almost think it has to be the tractor clutch. Amazing work!
But what made the tractor clutch better? Just looking at the two at the end the Ferrari one looked better so why wasn't it? In fact, do we even know that Feruccio's clutch was better than the one that came with the 250 GT?
Another fascinating presentation. Thank you Iain and Olivier.
Brilliant investigative work on the clutch. I am excited to see the man come to the shop and look over the car.
Bona fortuna...
You did not mention it in the video, but i assume that you have confirmed that the splines for the gearbox inputshaft on the clutches are identical aswell? Great work by the way, and so cool to see such a mythical story being confirmed. Very impressive.
Brilliant detective work and absolutely fascinating. Congratulations!
Great work you guys. What a story! The case is solverd!👍🏎
Great video.
I was awaiting the reveal.
Waiting to see more progress on that car and many others you have in your shop.
Can you cover what the exact problems were with the Ferrari clutch and (presumably) how the Lamborghini clutch resolved the issues. Did the lamborghini clutch actually resolve the issues?
Parts sharing goes on even more so today but certainly happened years ago , especially with small volume hand built manufacturers. It makes no sense to “tool up” to internally make certain parts if you are only making so few cars in a week , the price would have been off the scale , especially as parts are already available from larger manufacturing sources that “ do the job’ . A Ferrari Daytona 365GTB4 uses a handbrake lever from a Fiat 125 , the Ferrari GTS Spyder from the 1960s uses doors from a Fiat 1500 cabriolet, series 1 Lotus Esprit’s used rear light clusters from a Fiat x19 , the Lancia Stratos has suspension parts from some bread and butter Fiat models. Aston Martins with their DB series models did exactly the same.
Surprised there is no discussion regarding the input shaft spline count/diameter commonality among the two clutch friction discs. Are those the same?
Great stuff Iain and Olivier (the top Lamborghini expert in the world)!
A neighbour in camargo Spain uses his lambo tractor daily. It's from the 80s. A workhorse
Lovely story Iain. So what were the technical failings of the original clutch that had a sprung centre plate over what you showed with no springs?
As the whole era of real, petrol-fueled cars is slowly coming to a grinding halt; this is the kind of YT vids I get excited about. As a **** you to the whole EV-industry, my latest car is an MX-5 ND softtop and it's a hoot. My neighbours probably hate me for blasting it to life every working-day morning at 06 15.
My kind of man. Did something similar. An old 911 running no cats and GT3 exhaust. Very loud. very angry. Very "improper." I always wanted one. The thought that I'm pissing off EV drivers as I enjoy driving it is icing on the cake.
@@overbuiltlimited .... Don't worry about the whole EV industry scam, it will soon be put aside and hydrogen fuel will be the next big thing for the automotive industry. Elon Musk has already anounced that Tesla will be moving to Hydrogen fueled power trains. Fact.
Job well done guys! So much fun to watch and learn, thanks for that!
As I am also reaching that salt and pepper stage - it's nice to see you both using the same hair stylist! Great video once again Ian😀
I was going to say something, but I am glad you said it first. *chuckling*
EXCELLENT WORK AND PROVIDES IMPORTANT INFORMATION. WELL DONE.
If we didn't have utube we'd never learn, see and enjoy video's like this.
I love that this story panned out to be true! I wonder what the specific issue Ferrucio was unhappy with? Slipping?
These are the kind of videos why I am the opinion that youtube shouldn't be operated from a purely kapitalistic point, I mean this is valueable, knowledge for all humans. It should be - at least at part - governed by a foundation.
Absolutely fantastic ❤ what wonderful fact finding research, you 2 could be the new Dempsey and Makepeace although iam not sure who would play who, great detective work guys 👍
Fascinating. However, I cannot see why Mr. Lamborghini would want a solid clutch disc. In my experience, they are quite rough. I am sure he had his reasons, it would be interesting to know.
Ian continuation of the clutch mystery curiosity was clutch a coil spring or as of later diaphragm great insight to the sports car rivalry great and great program. Suggestion get top gear rubbish off and bring on Tyrell’s top gear
I had a Moto Guzzi Stelvio motorcycle that had to come apart at one stage(!). It was discovered that the clutch was identical to a Citroen Saxo!!!!!
so im guessing the tractor clutch had an improved friction material ? Not to be critical but Sachs would be a last resort choice for reasons i wont go into......
Excellent , very well done.
i really want to know if the clutch spline is also similar..
This was a pleasure for sure, you guy`s could be petrol head brother`s!
Matching hairstyles, how sweet. great Vid, and very interesting, thanks
Where is part 1? Im confused.
What was the issue with the original clutch, and what was the difference with the tractor clutch that solved the problem?
Great work Ian and Olivey. What was the problem that Ferrocio was having with the original Ferrari provided clutch?
It's Iain and Olivier
'That's a great bit of teamwork' 'yes, and you're good too.' 😂
You look like brothers! Great video!
Great video, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and information. I learn something new with each video you publish.
Absolutely fascinating!
Well done Gentlemen! Splendid.
I haven't quite got all of the conclusions regarding the respective clutches ?.
Was it that they are all Sachs clutches but the Lambhorghini spec tractor clutch was the same diameter centre plate but with a stronger springed cover ?.Which would make sense for the tractor application.But might have just made the pedal action a bit heavier ?.
While Lamborghini also used the superior combination of wishbone suspension front and rear.While personally I think the 350/400 GT was also the best looking compared to both the E type and the 250.
We’ll be revisiting the clutch situation again soon. Yes, the 350GT was way ahead technically in 1963
@@iain_tyrrell
What a wonderful time it must have been to be the right age and with the resources to take advantage of that point in motoring history.With Jaguar, Ferrari and Lamborghini being rivals and peers.
Great job done, bravo!
What exactly was the problem with the clutch? If it was slipping surely the pressure plate was the problem,maybe it wasn’t clearing,lots of questions.
No mention if the spline details are same?
Well done Sirs.
Fascinating episode, thank you both. Would you please comment, from your technical experience side, just how the Lamborghini tractor clutch would have differed from that as supplied by Ferrari in terms of feel and drivability. Thanks
Are the splines the same?
Simply supreme ! Thankyou !
Very interesting, as always.
Somewhat as much as I love cars it's difficult to reconcile the fact that whilst cars such as this are "original" or touted as so many many parts over the years are changed, at times almost whole vehicles becoming mere images of originality. It's very much an unsaid thing, an "accepted" thing. Why? Isn't this a factor in valuation? It should be.
No mention of the spline that I recall. same?
Would like to know also.
Amazing historical sleuthing!
Thank God for that I was losing sleep over this the stress load 🤣
Soll-ved indeed! Well done, chaps.
I’m loving and fascinated by this. I must be a car guy, eh?
I think the Lamborghini marketing department is now frantically thinking of introducing a 2R model.
Thank you Iain , brilliant 😊
Hi Iain, from Sydney, Australia. God on you two for absolute proof of truth. Most enjoyable I bet for both the two of you. Re the non original engine. My mum's dad was an engineer, one of his slightly younger engineer friends married well & he commenced a business that repaired any mechanical part on the exotic cars of the 50's,60's, 70's & early 80's, in High St, Willoughby on the North Shore in Sydney. Millers Automotive Engineering. In Sydney the state dept health added fluoride to the city's water to stop tooth decay, a second job it performs is destroying yje water galleys of all alloy engines. The "old" guys that had the cash to buy new a 1960 Ferrari would not use distilled water and add inhibitor as well, jut merely grab the garden hose and top up the radiator, killing the engine way before its time. My & Pa's friend Les bought a number of "dead" Ferrari's years & years ago and stood them carefully aside. Obtaining at a later date perfect engines from matching cars in Europe which were put off the road to salt destroying the chassis & under superstructure. (the difference between 2 worlds) . One of them is a beautiful deep regency red cabriolet with ivory seats the same as Lamborghini's white coupe. It had belonged to a Sydney GM dealer originally from Norway, Gunnar Sundl. Rescued by Les it exists today 50years later along with another DOZEN beautiful Ferrari's from the grand era of front engine & rear wheel drive all mistreated by their owners, who would have back then all been born in the period just prior to the motor car being invented. They were SO MEAN in paying for the correct oil, green fluid for the radiator or distilled water. I mean really why buy the darned car unless you really love it & cherish it
As Cleuseau would have said “It wasn’t easy, I just made it look that way”
Very cheeky work there, Mr Tyrrell..........Right!
Simply fascinating
Where is part 1
Oooh, that purple Diablo in the background, there has to be a story behind it.
I had been waiting for this episode with baited breath, but I have 2 questions.. 1- is the shaft size and style the same on both clutches, or was it necessary to switch the centre section? 2- Without the springs, how would that affect drivability?
Solid-centered clutches are a little tricky to engage smoothly, as they feel more like an on-off switch, rather than a progressive clutch. This tends to induce more violent driveline shunting if you're not really smooth with your gear changes. That said, it's also a crisper feeling without those springs to soak up the initial force when you drop the clutch or pin the throttle. I've driven with both, and while the more progressive cush-drive is nice for everyday road driving, I'd much rather have the solid any time I'm looking to have a red-hot go of it.
So are you now going to fit the 2R clutch to the Ferrari and see how it goes?
So funny to hear about Lamborghini starting his own Supercar company due to an issue with a Ferrari clutch - When you consider the amount of work, time, effort and cost that it takes, just to change the clutch in a Lamborghini Countach!
Fascinating, but Ii got lost in the detail. Would begreat if you summarized it for us, thanks
To summarize for you : Lamborghini bought a Ferrari but didn’t like the clutch. He approached Ferrari with a better clutch and a business partnership but was rebuffed. Lamborghini started his own automobile manufacturing company.
Additionally, the car that Iain is reviewing is that very Ferrari originally owned by Lamborghini that had the clutch that inspired Lamborghini to start building his own cars, LAMBORGHINI !!
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Bravo, Tyrrell!!
utterly tremendous
Perhaps I missed it, but what exactly was wrong with the Ferrari clutch that Lamborghini didn't like?
Brilliant!
Love it, Solved.